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|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 2 November 2006 - 01:28 PM|
010 – Target MacGyver
Airdate: 22 December 1985
Teleplay: Mike Marvin, Stephen Kandel, & James Schmerer
Story: Mike Marvin
Director: Ernest Pintoff
Opening Gambit Writer: Terry Nation
Opening Gambit Director: Lee H. Katzin
Guest Cast: John Anderson as Harry Jackson, D'Mitch Davis as Axminster.
Opening Gambit: Kitchen Magic
MacGyver must rescue a lady general held captive at a local beach house.
A team of assassins targets MacGyver while on a fishing trip with his long-estranged grandfather, forcing them to put aside their differences to defend themselves against the gang of highly trained killers.
|Posted by: Macs Lab Rat 8 November 2006 - 08:47 AM|
| Below are the original posts in this topic before a database crash deleted them. They were rebuilt using google and internet archive sites.
Votes from 20 Feb 2006
Poor [ 0 ] [0.00%]
Average [ 0 ] [0.00%]
OK [ 1 ] [6.25%]
Good [ 4 ] [25.00%]
Excellent [ 11 ] [68.75%]
Total Votes: 16
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|Posted by: j12752 1 September 2007 - 03:27 AM|
|I liked this episode more for meeting Harry than the plot of it.|
|Posted by: MacNymph 6 September 2007 - 03:29 PM|
| Funny no one has mentioned MacGyver holding a gun on the bad guys with intent in the opening gambit.
I hate this episode. It’s in my top twenty if not top ten of worst episodes. With the exception of the scene at the apartment with MacGyver and Col. “Barney” the acting by everyone else is utter crap.
Harry, at least in this episode, comes off as arrogant, self centered and selfish. The kind of jerk that goes out for cigarettes and never comes back. Don’t like the character and think Anderson’s acting stinks too. The villain is about as lame as they come. Bad, bad acting and lame dialogue. And the last half of the episode sounds like it’s dubbed. Even when you’re looking right at them, watching them speak it’s off. It’s like someone had forgotten to turn the sound on and they had to go back and voice over three reels of film.
The only saving grace is it’s chock full of -isms. Some of them were a little farfetched and the production on a couple was tacky but still chock full of what makes Mac, Mac.
One moment: When MacGyver drops the limb on the jeep (which oddly enough makes them jump out of the Jeep ) if you watch the stuntman on the left side, he comes about two inches from getting his leg rolled over and it looks like the Jeep might have hit him anyway after that.
|Posted by: MacBeth 6 September 2007 - 03:35 PM|
| Aw, Nymph, don't hold back like that. Tell us how you really feel!
I'm with you on the sound quality -- they were filming outdoors on location and would have had to overdub everything; but they did a really poor job of it that time. I think the sound editor must have phoned in his performance that day. Maybe they should have thrown flaming pine cones at him for motivation.
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 6 September 2007 - 03:46 PM|
They don't use mics for outdoor shots?
|Posted by: MacBeth 6 September 2007 - 03:52 PM|
The sound quality outside can be unreliable -- and that week, seems to have been pretty bad. Maybe it was windy. But it did look as if they did waay more overdubbing than usual.
|Posted by: trtlsoup 6 September 2007 - 06:38 PM|
| Hey! I JUST watched this one this morning, and I have to say that I REALLY didn't like it.
I liked kinda Harry in the latter episodes, but I agree with Nymphy. And there was absolutely no "spark" between the actors.
I remembered the opening gambit, and yes, this was the first time I noticed the gun. And you would think the "lady general" would have a name, OR just say "General". We can figure out that she's a woman.
I couldn't figure where the explosion footage came from... does anyone know?
The whole scenario with Axminster and the merry hitmen was total overkill. Two filled trucks/jeeps of guys to take out one lil ol' Mac? And the actor who played him was as wooden as a person could get. Blech!
And wasn't Harry shot at one point?
On the other hand, LOTS of MacGyverisms... (though as many times I've tried to pick or force a lock with my SAK, it never happened...) Though I popped pinecones when I was a kid... it's fun.
I voted Average, and I was being generous.
|Posted by: MacsChick 6 September 2007 - 07:05 PM|
|What bothered me the most about this episode was Axminster and his hitmen. They didn't seem menacing enough and were easily defeated. Of course we want Mac to win, but I didn't see any challenge when it came to getting rid of Axminster and his henchmen. They weren't threatening--I didn't get much of a feeling that they were a danger. I voted OK.|
|Posted by: Lothithil 7 September 2007 - 03:41 PM|
| The things I liked about this episode:
Being introduced to Harry, who in spite of being a very old dog can still learn a new trick or two! He and Mac start out rough, but I like very much the way that they affect each other. Mac softens his heart to the man who he believed abandoned him and his mother, and Harry learns to forgive himself and comes to embrace the fact that he has a very special grandson... and that he still has something to offer Mac, even though they've been seperated for so long.
I adore the scene where Harry asks Mac why these men are after him, and Mac's roundabout answer.
Learning about Mac's past always appeals to me!
The bus ride out to Harry's place, with the kid reading the tabloid... that look that MacGyver gives him is PRICELESS!
"You gotta hit 'em just right!"
"Don't you bad-mouth my grandpa!"
"I just hope it's worth losing that trout..."
And I agree about Axminster... *laughs long and loudly about a hit-man named after a fancy brand of carpet*... if he was an example of a ruthless and expert hit-man, then the police can all turn in their badges and open their own donut-shops!
|Posted by: MacGyverGrrl 7 September 2007 - 04:53 PM|
| I voted average. The opening gambit was ok. The scenes on the bus were pretty good. The rest, well its just off.
I think this was an episode that was in transition. A great deal of it was shot outdoors as opposed to the sound stage. The sound quality is very poor considering that the series actually won awards for innovations in sound technology in later seasons.
The bad guys were not very bad, unless you count the acting. There's more of a KeyStone Kops feeling to them, than anything really sinister. And for crying out loud, can't somebody teach them how to shoot? I mean come on, automatic weapons two truckloads of bad guys and they can't even put a hole in the damn boat? A little too unreal.
As for the isms--pine cones and pine nuts do pop in fires. They don't blow up like land mines and bullets. That one comes off as too far fetched to be believable.
This episode felt to me like the writers were really struggling with how to define MacGyver's character. Is he a down to earth gee whiz kinda guy or is he more of a trash talking tough guy. It seems like they were in the same quandry with Harry. They were'nt sure how to define him so they left it up to the actor to figure out. The backstory and Harry's character were too vague. They should have been set up and defined a little more before Mac has the big reunion. The idea was there, and I liked what the writers wanted to do, but I think it would have played better if they had been given more time to do it and had cast it against a darker backdrop.
Axminster needed to be much more sinister and he needed to work more on his own, rather than rely on a gang of hired hands. He needed more to do. Instead, he sat around giving orders and speaking dopey lines like "its a nice day for hunting." Bor-Ring! This might be a fun episode to re-write as a fan-fic, I saw a couple of eppies from the MacVS site do that. It was kinda cool, reading another person's interpretation of the show.
Cops can't open donut shops--they'ed eat all the profits!
(Just kidding all you fine officers)
|Posted by: Sheepy 7 September 2007 - 11:34 PM|
| I voted good.
I liked the action and the settings it was in. I loved the opening gambits with the lady general.
But give me a break, those bad gy=uys were as cheesy as... well, cheese. Yuck!
It was so over the top.
I hear ya!!
Nevertheless it was a great introduction to Harry and I loved the ghost town.
Too bad for the bad guys, but well, overall it was a good eppy.
|Posted by: MacGyverGrrl 7 September 2007 - 11:50 PM|
|Except the ghost town was a little too neat and clean. Most ghost towns are rickety, falling down affairs and nobody in there right mind would walk on a roof. Also, in every ghost town I have ever been in, the glass has been broken out of the windows so long that there aren't even any pieces left lying on the ground.|
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 8 September 2007 - 02:04 AM|
| I just re-watched this episode, and I have to say... that Axeminster is the lamest weakest excuse of a hit man I've ever seen.
At the start we get told he's a real psychopath that would blow up a whole city block just to make sure he got his target, but then we see this amateur "don't get my clothes dirty" cliché babbling Mr T wannabe bumbling around like a drunk monkey.
On a less painful note, whoever, it is interesting to note that the beach house in the opening gambit can also be seen in an episode of Knight Rider. (see! it's not just actors that turn up in other shows! )
And MacGyver's watch shows the opening gambit taking place at 12:20pm.. no wonder he wanted to munch that carrot.
I also found a couple of http://www.macgyveronline.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2535&st=0entry25019 which I've added to the http://www.macgyveronline.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2535&st=0entry25019
One other thing which bugs me is why was MacGyver doing what I presume was black-ops work in blowing up that facility? Isn't that what the Navy Seals are for?
In spite of all the negatives, there is one huge positive to this episode. it gives us important insight to MacGyver's background. This is where we learn about how Harry left, what he did, where he went. I think too, that this episode leans towards the idea that MacGyver got a lot of his way of doing things from Harry. they seemed to be "on the same page"
There's a couple of teary eyed moments in the episode two which shows the strong bond Harry and Mac have.
I think this episode had the potential to be one of the greats, but alas, twas not to be.
|Posted by: j12752 8 September 2007 - 03:42 AM|
|Yes, I too think Axminster was the lamest bad guy in the whole series. But the insight into Mac's early years, and meeting Harry and gleaning that Mac picked up on some of Harry's abilities was great. I like the Pinenuts thing|
|Posted by: MacNymph 8 September 2007 - 01:09 PM|
That wasn't irritating, was it? I remember thinking at the time... the only reasons she's a lady general is because a male general would have been too cumbersome for Mac to drag around like that. Could that woman have been any tinier?
And I just realized another reason this episode irked me. The writters are guilty of that same thing that annoys me about fan-fic writers, usually dealing with Sam. The repeatitive "Bud" "Harry" "Harry" "Bud" "Grandpa" crap in every interchange. That crap bugs me. It's like they're trying to ram the relationship down your throat.
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 8 September 2007 - 02:05 PM|
| Yeah, thats certainly not the way people talk in real life.
|Posted by: MacGyverGrrl 8 September 2007 - 04:39 PM|
| True, the dialogue was a little stilted. And the spot where Harry demands that mac explain what's going on, is it me or was that just a weird, abrupt place to have that conversation? Harry is buying into everything Mac is doing and then suddenly demands an explanation about why the bad guys are after them.
It almost feels like the writers have this little piece of dialogue they think is very important to the story, but they don't have a logical place to put it so they just threw it in.
|Posted by: Macs Lab Rat 9 September 2007 - 06:13 AM|
| The first time I saw the gambit I was thrown by trying to figure out what he would do with the carrot. I fell for it and totally thought he’d use it somehow.
Yes but when he has picked the tastiest looking carrot and places it on the table his watch looks like it shows 2:45 to me (or maybe 9:10). Then when he is back in the freezer for ice its 12.30ish.
This gambit definitely has a first season MacGyver feel to it. He comes across relaxed and cocky with the way he stops his plotting for a little snack. And the use of the gun to keep the bad guys down…this is something the later season MacGyver doesn’t even consider doing. Even in situations where, in my opinion, it would be less risky an option to all concerned than his MacGyverism.
On to the main event and the starting sequence with the nuclear refinery. Was it RDA doing all the climbing of fences and planting of bombs? I’m not so sure, the person didn’t seem to move like him.
I think we could have benefited from a little background about what was going on here. It does seem a bit odd but with a bit of explanation it could have been more credible. MacGyver does get called in for all sorts of things, maybe it followed on from a more “usual” type mission? Maybe if they got rid of a couple of the pointless scenes they would have managed to give us a little more information. One of the scenes that I thought was pointless and odd was the nonsense on the bus. What was that supposed to achieve ? And, before that, when MacGyver came back from blowing up the refinery, he passes a couple of girls in bikinis… while MacGyver is wearing his jacket zipped right up and all other people around were wearing jumpers or jackets…brrrrrr they must have been chilly!
As for Axminster, when he was a hulking silent bad guy at the start he was intimidating but as soon as he had dialogue and was with those guys in the jeep it all was a bit off. From their initial meeting at the jeeps it went a bit weird. The driver of Axminsters jeep seems to push Axminster to one side so he can drive. And then when they all climb in the jeeps, there is a cut to people standing cocking guns (not looking like they are in a jeep at all) then we cut back to the jeeps all moving off with the guys all in them. Later on when MacGyver is hacking at the branch of the tree the bad guys have split up but make radio contact. Axminster halts them and says something about having to figure out MacGyver before their next move...but then they continue on. It seems like there is a lot of cut or messed up scenes with the bad guys in them.
Oh and talking of missing scenes, where did the rucksack come from? The one they use to carry pine cones? At first I thought maybe they nicked it from the jeep they forced in to the ditch but there is a scene after that where Harry and MacGyver and running and there is no backpack. Did I miss something?
I like Harry in this. He starts off being prickly and cantankerous with MacGyver. But he never tells him to leave. He half wants MacGyver to leave and is trying to drive him away because some of the memories that are getting stirred up are difficult. But then there are moments happier memories come through and it was like he wanted MacGyver around. He is conflicted and tries to make MacGyver make the decision about whether he should face the past or not. MacGyvers constant reminders of happy times and when Harry taught him things seemed to thaw through the sadness. By the end of the episode Harry can see through his sad memories and this opens the door to allow them to get closer.
I know I have waffled on and not said what I vote yet. I am struggling with that. There are parts I liked and parts that seemed badly thrown together.
I will vote ok...but that’s today, what I think probably depends on what kind of mood I am in as to how much the shortcomings annoy me the next time I see it.
|Posted by: Nutsy 9 September 2007 - 09:23 AM|
| Although I totally agree with you all in that this Axmister and his men suck, I'll say a couple of nice things about this episode
- the beach house in the opening gambit (reused later, thanks for the tip) is great, I'd love one have one like it (on a less crowded beach, mind you)
- Mac in the dark shirt, light trousers, and Ray Ban pilot sunglasses looks disarmingly cute, also in the gambit
- Mac did not inherit any face features from grandpa, thank God
|Posted by: j12752 9 September 2007 - 12:10 PM|
| I just adore Mac in dark shirts and light trousers.
hehehe, sometimes it's the mileage on the face, Harry could have been a fairly good looking young guy
|Posted by: MacsChick 9 September 2007 - 12:41 PM|
| I didn't think Harry was too bad looking, actually, for a man his age.
Boy: "You don't look that old."
Harry: "Well, I'll tell you a secret--I don't feel that old, either."
|Posted by: MacGyverGrrl 9 September 2007 - 05:52 PM|
| Harry didn't seem to age at all during the 5 seasons he appeared.
Ratty brings up an interesting point I hadn't considered before. We have the opening gambit and then we cut to MacGyver blowing up a nuclear facility. The premise here is that the escape from the refinery is the feature of the show. That little scene with the refinery didn't seem to fit with the rest of the story. The transition from the refinery to the apartment was a little too abrupt. This could have been done smoother.
What if Axminster had persued Mac through the desert? The two of them playing cat and mouse with Mac in unfamiliar territory with nothing but his mind and what he could find on the escape route. Maybe another idea for a fanfic story, re-write Axminster to be a really bad dude, Mac in a totally vulnerable position, yeah, it could work.
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 9 September 2007 - 07:26 PM|
| I think someone has already brought up this idea, but the "blowing up a nuclear facility" scene would have been better as an opening gambit, and then the rest of the show would have followed along nicely after the opening credits.
|Posted by: j12752 10 September 2007 - 04:33 AM|
|Of all the things I liked about MacGyver, the openng gambits were in the top 3|
|Posted by: trtlsoup 10 September 2007 - 06:54 AM|
Y'know, I really never noticed it 'til you pointed it out, but it was really bad in that episode.
Also, that beach house was awfully close to the, well... the beach. Nice visual, but not very practical for holding a (what I assume) valuable military general as a hostage. Not a few feet down was a crowded beach.
I missed the opening gambits... it seems that all the shows stopped doing them at the same time. They were not essential, but it was good for introducing a character, or situation pertaining to the episode.
|Posted by: Mac 10 September 2007 - 10:10 AM|
I'm obviously not much of a fan of MacGyver since I have no recollection of that scene!
Target MacGyver is one of those eps that makes me want to grind my teeth. I love the whole Mac and Harry on the run and working together plotline, but I DESPISE Axminster!!! The guy is an incompetent buffoon who turns this ep into a cartoonish nightmare!
|Posted by: MacBeth 13 September 2007 - 01:13 PM|
| Back online just in time to join the end of the discussion . . .
I’d call this a weak episode with a few good moments. The script felt as if it had been assembled out of spare parts . . . by someone with no skill at jigsaw puzzles. I’d guess that the opening gambit was written well in advance of the rest of the episode, and possibly filmed at an entirely different time, too, before they’d really even started to develop the character. Terry Nation wrote the opening gambit, and his association with the show seems to have been short-lived.
I had a real problem swallowing the “commando raid” at the beginning. Mac sent off to blow up something, fully equipped with all necessary materials, just like, well, someone else, but certainly not like MacGyver. The raid had no purpose in terms of the plot, except to provide an excuse for Mac to be targeted (and to give the special effects crew an excuse to blow something up). Of all the opportunities they ever had to tie the opening gambit to the main story . . . instead, we have a double opening gambit, which was not an improvement.
Other annoying bits: the amazingly cardboard villains (or maybe Loth’s onto something – not cardboard, carpet!), the out-of-character swearing, the overall creaky plot.
Lovely bits in spite of that: the carrot in the opening gambit, Mountain Man Mac (very nearly the first time we really see this side of him, unless you count the night in the jungle in “The Gauntlet”, Harry and Mac gradually working together more effectively, the gradual opening out of the backstory.
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 13 September 2007 - 01:23 PM|
Sometimes the best place to hide something is out in the open.
|Posted by: trtlsoup 13 September 2007 - 04:12 PM|
| True. Also to catch the eye of the (then male-targeted) audience... didn't hurt to have a few girls/women walking around in bikinis.
Also, as a professional, he wouldn't taken his cap off to be recognized. But if (the writers) didn't do that, there wasn't any reason to TARGET MacGyver in the first place. Double Oy!
|Posted by: MacBeth 14 September 2007 - 11:55 AM|
Maybe the costume designer should have given him a shirt with a target on it.
Or just a plain red shirt.
|Posted by: trtlsoup 14 September 2007 - 12:34 PM|
Red shirt... the bane of all Ster Trek extras.
|Posted by: MacBeth 14 September 2007 - 12:54 PM|
| Yeah, but at least Mac will look good in it!
Red flannel, of course.
|Posted by: thlayli87 7 March 2008 - 10:13 AM|
|Just watched this one again recently. I think it's a really good episode, though I agree that the Axminster character was corny and not believable. It's a crucial episode for character development as we get to learn more about Mac's life. I also liked the idea of Mac and Harry having to outwit the heavily-armed bad guys using just stuff from the wilderness. I liked the way Harry's character was played--a crusty, grouchy, stubborn old guy. But we see him soften a bit over the course of the episode.|
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 4 May 2008 - 04:13 PM|
| The thing that erks me (today) about him is that at the start of the episode we're told Axminster would blow up a whole city block to kill the person he was after. But what we get is a namby pamby "don't wanna get dirty or brake a nail" wiss.
|Posted by: androgyny 7 June 2008 - 04:06 AM|
|yup. gotta agree on the comments about the bad guys in this ep. they're so dumb. and this axminster dude, at the beginning, they made him sound like such a bad ass. i was expecting something like murdoc. but instead, i got a robot who needs a dozen inept fools to help him do his job.|
|Posted by: Braddock 14 August 2008 - 10:24 AM|
|is it just me or has Harry his own swiss army knife?|
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 14 August 2008 - 02:09 PM|
| yep. He certainly does have his own SAK.
I love that scene. Without a word being spoken it tells us why Mac carries a SAK.
I wouldn't be surprised if is first ever SAK was given to him by Harry.
|Posted by: SMeeceymouse 5 February 2009 - 02:47 PM|
|Why name a bad guy axminister? Sounds like he should be preaching from the pulpit with an ax in one hand and the bible in the other. I was thinking when the agent told Mac to get lost one of those scenes in this day and time would have been a big NO-NO. Just a thought.|
|Posted by: Lothithil 5 February 2009 - 03:19 PM|
| 'Axminster' is also a kind of carpet.
Maybe they're implying that, like a carpet, this guy is so good at what he does that he leaves nothing uncovered.
Not that he appeared to be that great of a hitman... seeing how Mac and Harry laid him out, even though our heroes were outnumbered!
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 5 February 2009 - 04:24 PM|
|Posted by: SMeeceymouse 6 February 2009 - 06:57 AM|
Isn't it always that the good guys prevail and the bad guys fail. I was just wondering if he preached to those he was going to kill, then killed them and rolled them into a carpet named for him. Or was he named for the carpet?
|Posted by: Lothithil 6 February 2009 - 07:35 AM|
| He could try to bore them to death with his devistating rhetoric, that's for sure and for certain!
|Posted by: MACGYVERISMYDAD 6 February 2009 - 08:32 AM|
|maybe he though they would die from laughter after watching him run down that hill. if that doesn't get the job done than the sun glasses are plan b|
|Posted by: SMeeceymouse 6 February 2009 - 09:19 AM|
|I hate to ask what is plan B? Call in Mrs. Axminister to finish the job?|
|Posted by: SMeeceymouse 6 February 2009 - 12:59 PM|
|Whatever happended to Axminster's looneys. I mean most of them were unconscious. Did he stop to preach over them? Or just what did happen with them?|
|Posted by: SMeeceymouse 7 February 2009 - 11:56 AM|
I don't understand with all of the people outside, how is no one noticed a Lady General being bound and gaged?
|Posted by: Lothithil 7 February 2009 - 12:19 PM|
| I imagine the Bad Guys figured that it would be a case of 'hiding in plain sight'--who would think to look for them on a crowded beach?
I imagine they would have brought her in during the night, when the beaches are nearly deserted, and they have the advantage of the cover of darkness. However, oggling out the window at the nearly nekkid girls probably led to MacGyver learning where they were.
Their plan, as well as their brains, were obviously flawed
I mean really... using binoculars to look at a woman less than 25-30 feet away?
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 7 February 2009 - 01:54 PM|
How would they? She was inside a house, away from windows.
People generally don't go peeking through windows of someones house.
Also the people on the beach where doing their own thing.
|Posted by: SMeeceymouse 7 February 2009 - 02:00 PM|
|True, but how about two creepy looking guys watching from the inside? It looks like to me someone would of figured something out.|
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 7 February 2009 - 03:17 PM|
| There was only one guy at the window.
And is it so unusual to see someone standing at a window of a beach house watching whats going on outside?
And how does that tell anyone that there's a person tied up inside the house?
I think if anyone had noticed that guy there, they would have simply assumed he's some creepy old perv and moved to another section of the beach.
|Posted by: SMeeceymouse 7 February 2009 - 04:03 PM|
|But weren't there several young ladies hanging out on the deck of the beach house? Wouldn't they've seen a creepy man with binocolurs looking at them. And why didn't the notify the beach patrol about this "creepy man".|
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 7 February 2009 - 07:03 PM|
|Perhaps you would benefit from re-watching that scene.|
|Posted by: SMeeceymouse 8 February 2009 - 09:48 AM|
|You are right, they were playing near the house but not anywhere on the deck. I was just wondering why a creepy man with binoculars was watching young females. But I guess that was the way TV was back in those days. Everything was innocent.|
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 8 February 2009 - 01:12 PM|
| Yes. Sadly a time long since gone, and mostly forgotten.
|Posted by: MacsChick 8 February 2009 - 05:49 PM|
|I'm glad I grew up back then...|
|Posted by: Beachbead 22 April 2009 - 01:05 PM|
|I'm glad I was born back then, everything was sweet and innocent.|
|Posted by: Dr Zito 30 April 2010 - 02:20 PM|
| the villains seemed to have escaped from a bad scooby-doo episode, or perhaps more accurately from a typical A-team episode.
Most have been covered about the writing, but I liked the macgyverisms and Mac was impossible to dislike even for a grumpy hermit like this grandpa. His grandpa is one of the most memorable characters of the entire show, in later episodes, in this one he seemed to be rushed a bit.
All in all this particular story seemed a bit disjointed and infantile, not one of mac's best.
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 13 November 2010 - 08:58 PM|
| I've just been looking at the http://www.macgyveronline.com/pages/harryshouse.html from this episode and I notice that the floors of Harry's cabin are concrete.
How many old wooden cabins do you know that have solid concrete floors in them?
|Posted by: Wheeljack 13 November 2010 - 10:02 PM|
| How many old wooden cabins do you know, period? Hee! I don't think it would've been beyond Harry to haul some cement bags home and pour himself a new floor. Or maybe it was built after concrete became readily available? That stuff's been around along time and it's superior to a wood floor in every way but appearance. I know what you're saying though, it was probably just part of the set, or something they tossed together on a budget. Still wouldn't mind living there though, looks like nifty little rustic place.
I'd like to know where Harry kept the Chevy truck he gave to Mac. The one in this ep is a Dodge I think. It's also lowered, which I can't picture an older guy doing. Darn, I'm spoiling the episode! I'll stop thinking now.
|Posted by: Hannibal_Smith 25 February 2011 - 09:44 AM|
| I'm with the consensus here that Axminster and his bad guys sucked. The concept, Mac meeting his grandfather for the first time in years and then the two of them surviving in the wilderness, was great, but would've been enhanced by better bad guys.
And like a couple people have said, the scene of him blowing up the refinery could've used a little more elaboration. I would've been happy with losing the opening gambit and replacing it with an extended scene at and after the refinery.
|Posted by: Makedde 25 March 2011 - 06:26 PM|
| The acting in this episode is terrible. Not RDA's, though, but Axminster and his buddies was horrible.
'I'm gonna run him into the ground!!' umm, yeah, you just made me laugh, lol.
They could have gotten a better bad guy though.
The opening gambit when he got the carrot out, I forgot that he ate it last time I saw this episode (about a month ago) so I was thinking what he was gonna do with it, then he eats it. Mac, you gotta peel the darn thing first!!!!!
And then sticking it in his pocket...what a good man he is. Waste not want not, Mac...
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 25 March 2011 - 07:06 PM|
|Why you gotta peel the carrot?|
|Posted by: mac8 17 July 2012 - 06:11 AM|
|I thought it was a great episode with lots of macgyverisms!|
|Posted by: NightTinkerer 2 August 2012 - 03:59 PM|
| Watching this episode made me so disappointed--for had it not been for the fact that the bad guys were so incredibly cheesy, it would definitely have gotten an "Excellent" rating from me. I mean, for GOD'S sake, every single line that came out from Axminster's mouth could easily have been cut from any action movie parody... and the way he delivered them! Ugggh.
Or, as people have already pointed out here, *if* he really delivered them, or they were dubbed in later. Maybe the wardrobe staff came back from their vacation (see my comment on the previous episode) and the sound guys were next in line for some time off?
No, but seriously--a little comparison; I was a hardcore Star Trek fan in my late teens. I've always been very impressed with the sound work on Star Trek; and please keep in mind this was WAY before the old Star Trek was digitally restored. My English was very far from perfect at the time, but I never had any problems following the dialogue, no matter if they were on soundstage or outside. In fact, this goes for all Star Trek series and films in my opinion--so I thought it was courtesy of Paramount. MacGyver, however, is definitely another story, and this episode is a prime example.
John Anderson was a great actor, but sometimes (and surely also due to the fact that I must keep the sound down a little, for my poor neighbors' sake) it is very hard to hear what he's saying. OK, English isn't my mother tongue, but I've experienced the very same thing with movies made in my native language, so once again, I blame it all on the sound department...
That said--I really enjoyed the reunion of Mac and Grandpa Harry! We get to know more about Mac's past, and the interaction between the two actors feels so natural.
When they first meet, Harry reaches out his hand, and Mac is ready to accept it, but instead, Harry goes for the suitcase, ignoring Mac's outstretched hand. However, at the end of the episode, we see them in the same position... and not only does Harry accept his hand, they actually meet in a heartfelt embrace. Great closure.
Regarding the opening gambit, and the destruction of the plant, I found them both to be more proof that Mac's attitude changed in the later seasons (for the better...).
As mentioned, this had been a definite "Excellent" vote for me, had it not been for the bad guys. Now, it's just a "Good".
|Posted by: Macap311 7 August 2012 - 06:43 PM|
| I'm definately a fan of this episode! If only because I had such a close relationdhip with my grandfather. And whenever I see Mac and Harry it brings back memories of my childhood and my 'Buddy' (that's what I called grandpa!)
Anyway...I assume John Anderson was no relation? But always imaged they were! Lol!
|Posted by: Mela_007 14 November 2012 - 12:32 PM|
| I agree with many of the comments on this episode about the poor sound dubbing and acting from the bad guys. I really expected more of the bad guys myself.
I really liked the interaction between Mac and Harry. Someone made comment about thinking it was odd of Harry to stop in the middle of the road and ask "Bud" what he does and what was going on. I found this totally in character of what we know of Harry. Bud's "lesson at center" and other references give us a good idea that Harry was a man of honor and integrity which he tried to pass on to "Bud" (for the time he was in his life). Remember, at this point Harry has no idea of the kind of man that "Bud" has grown into. So it only makes sense that Harry would refuse to go any further unless he knew that the reason they were running was honorable. If for instance Mac had grown into a troubled man, it would have made sense that "Bud" might have been running from the law. Harry would have not gone for that and I would have figured that Harry would have required "Bud" to turn himself in and pay for his mistakes. Once Harry finds out that "Bud" is running from a bad guy and he is an honorable man, then he goes along with it.
I really liked that reminder that Harry was still making sure Bud was a good person!
|Posted by: MacManx 28 March 2013 - 05:05 PM|
| Very much agree with the bad bad guys, Mac blowing up a nuclear facility, Mac with gun, continuity, sound etc.
But things I love: the carrot, so waiting for what ism Mac will do with the carrot and he eats it.
Harry and Mac missed handshake in the beginning to hug in the end
When Mac pulls out is SAK to dig, so does Harry. You see a bit of where Mac got it from
Harry won't work with Mac till he finds out that he is the good guy.
|Posted by: MacFan092985 28 March 2013 - 08:47 PM|
|The only three good things in this episode were RDA, John Anderson and the MacGyverisms. The dubbing / voiceover work was very amateurish as were the performance from the bad guys. The action was . . . not very actiony. Is that even a word? This is probably my least favorite episode.|
|Posted by: KiwiTek 11 July 2013 - 12:10 AM|
| ok, so here's a question.
What's the whitish dispenser thing on the wall have in it? Is it packets of smokes or something else?
|Posted by: MDBfan 11 July 2013 - 02:13 AM|
|Posted by: Joe SAKic 11 July 2013 - 03:27 AM|
|Definitely a vintage kitchen/camp match dispenser. Here's a similar one for sale on eBay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Antique-Metal-Tin-Wall-Plaque-Match-Dispenser-Holder-Kitchen-NICE-/190865779608?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c707cab98|
|Posted by: YopeGyver 11 July 2013 - 05:54 AM|
| We had one of those in a house we flipped. But I thought matches went into it like this:
To me, that really looks like a pack of Marlboro cigarettes.
|Posted by: Scwilson 1 August 2013 - 07:54 PM|
|Meeting Mac's grandfather and learning some of Mac's back story were positives to the episode. The Isms were pretty good.|
|Posted by: MacGirl 27 February 2014 - 03:26 PM|
|I think this eppy falls into the category of "so bad, it's good."|
|Posted by: KiwiTek 20 April 2014 - 04:43 PM|
| The final scene where Mac reaches out to shake Harry's hand and Harry hugs him instead is very touching. Especially when Mac buries his face in Harrys shoulder.
|Posted by: Wheeljack 22 April 2014 - 04:56 PM|
| I had a similar match holder in my treehouse when I was a kid (yes, my parents let me play with matches and do mostly whatever else I wanted to do). That does look just like a pack of Marlboros, of "Morleys" as they call them in tv land. Weird. Maybe it's just a funny way the packs of matches are stuck in there that makes it look that way and it isn't really cigarettes.
This episode would be better with all the bad guys scenes edited out and just Mac and Harry running around for unseen reasons. lol
|Posted by: cmbj67 20 August 2014 - 12:46 AM|
| I agree with everything that was said about the bad guys. I really don't like Axminster and the bad guys. Maybe they didn't care about the bad guys characters very much to focus on the relationship between Mac and Harry, which is the main part of this episode. In fact I like the interaction Harry/Mac. At the beginning Harry was a stranger and by the end they embrace each other.
I liked also the opening gambit, it's more plausible than others. The fact that he eats the carrot I think is to highlight the fact that in such a moment he's so calm that he's even hungry.
I don't think it's so strange that Washington asks a secret agent to blow up a Middle East nuclear refinery plant. They had to find a reason for Mac to go to Harry's place. But maybe they should have avoided the opening gambit and found another reason. Someone said that maybe that is not RDA because he's all hidden. I think he is, because not many have so thin legs Just my thought.
All in all, I voted excellent for this episode, because even if there are some little marginal flaws, I liked it.
|Posted by: Walter 24 January 2015 - 08:07 PM|
| Was there any significance to the captured general at the start of this episode being a female?
I can't help thinking that there's some kind of negative stereo type going on there. Firstly I would assume female generals back int he 80's were almost unheard of, but then they plant one as a damsel in distress needing to be saved by MacGyver.
|Posted by: RadiantRose 9 November 2016 - 01:22 PM|
I didn't check, but it seems unlikely that they were related in real life. I doubt either of them are related to other famous people with the same surname or variations on it (Pamela Anderson, Gillian Anderson, the guy from ABBA ...). In real life, I have a not-particularly-common surname, but every so often I encounter non-relatives who share the surname.
If RDA had had a more unusual surname, I doubt he would have felt the need to include his middle name when applying for acting jobs.
|Posted by: RadiantRose 9 November 2016 - 01:39 PM|
Maybe they'd planned a more active role for her, but got told by the network people that they weren't quite sure if the audience could cope with a female general.
I do tend to prefer the episodes where the writers come up with actual lines for actresses to speak.
|Posted by: KiwiTek 10 November 2016 - 02:31 AM|
John Anderson is no relation to Richard (as far as he knows).
Richard was required to use his middle name because the actors union doesn't allow the use of already existing names on their list - Richard Anderson (Oscar Goldman from the 6 Million Dollar Man) was already registered so RDA had to either use his middle name to make it unique or choose a stage name.
|Posted by: MacGyverGod 10 November 2016 - 02:40 AM|
|I always thought Pamela Anderson was his niece and he was her famous uncle.|
|Posted by: RadiantRose 17 November 2016 - 02:57 AM|
|I just had an advert try to sell me power tools named Axminster!|
|Posted by: denizen 17 November 2016 - 04:02 AM|
|Wouldnt trust 'em if i was you.|
|Posted by: Barry Rowland 17 November 2016 - 05:27 AM|
|I really should get around to changing my favorite episode to this one, as it's the one I go to more than any other. I really enjoy this one, as does my family. Harry rocks and I think Axeminster is the classiest hitman this side of Murdoc!! I can't imagine him actually being any good at the job, but some of his one liners are great! The opener was pure Mac....loved the carrot and the whole device he made to distract the bad guys. The longer I watch Mac, the more I try to see things the way he does.|
|Posted by: AmigaDeVenezuela 18 September 2018 - 06:57 PM|
Maybe so. Then they would have had some more transition time from the facility explosion scene to the scene at MacGyver's pad.
The last time I watched this episode my cat plopped herself in front of the TV (that's where she naps) before the explosion scene started.
While the explosions are happening she's nodding off. Video exists if her falling asleep with the explosions in the background. Not posting the video. That's a no-no. You'll have to come over to see it.
I did like the opening gambit, though. I had that same toaster oven. The guys trying to walk on the oil-covered floor.
|Posted by: AmigaDeVenezuela 18 September 2018 - 07:09 PM|
I don't know why you would to. As a kid my family had a garden. I would pull one out of the ground, wash off the dirt first, and eat it in the garden. I didn't take a peeler with me.