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Airdate: Jan. 6, 2017
Writer: Peter Lenkov, Craig O’Neill and David Slack
Director: Craig Siebels
Guest Cast:Tracy Spiridakos (Nikki Carpenter) , Amy Acker (Sarah Adler) , David Dastmalchian (Murdoc)
Preston James Hillier (Jeff) , Sammi Rotibi (Hasan) , Bob Bost (Priest) , Dheeaba Donghrer (Snooty Clerk/Charles)
John Atwood (Preacher)


MacGyver must find the U.S. government mole who is leaking classified intel to the organization that is trying to take down The Phoenix Foundation as Nikki makes a reappearance leaving MacGyver wondering which side she is on.









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Wow, so I was right about Patricia Thornton when I predicted that plot twist several episodes ago! (it's rare for me to be right about things, so yes, I'm enjoying the moment. haha.)

Overall, not one of my favorite episodes tonight, but at least it moved the overarching story forward in a significant way.

One thing that seemed particularly stupid: When they're in the church, Mac says "Secure the perimeter," but then Nikki is able to run away with no resistance at all. Great job securing the perimeter, guys.



 
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Bit too profound a plot for my liking, and lacking again in the set, prop, and lighting department - big time generic cc of the last several eps .... and again too heavy on the soapy relationship dialogue. Just don't care about Jack's lost litters and that Mac got laid last night. Don't get me wrong, it's needed .... just about 5 minutes less of it would suffice. The ending was the absolute best part of this episode, and I don't mean Jack sniffling in church at another missed op , I mean .......





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Best episode ever!!!!!!!!!

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QUOTE (Miasma @ 7 January 2017 - 03:04 PM)
One thing that seemed particularly stupid:  When they're in the church, Mac says "Secure the perimeter," but then Nikki is able to run away with no resistance at all.  Great job securing the perimeter, guys.

They thought he meant don't let any one in... laugh.gif


A couple of things to consider here.....

a) Securing the perimeter usually means prevent people coming in, not out. Most security systems will let you leave without question.. it's the getting back in that requires authentication.

b) She's a known agent to them. ( I assume) and was in the church with the others so was a "known friendly".






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I really enjoyed Jack mentioning the Cubs winning the World Series at the start of the episode since I am a Cubs fan. However, I have a gripe about the scene where Macgyver was trying to access Nikki's phone at the convenience store. Macgyver had used cheese puffs to make Nikki's fingerprints appear, but Jack said that Macgyver would still have to guess the order. This is wrong. Our hands are covered by oil which is why we leave fingerprints. The more buttons we push, the more oil wears off. This would make the fingerprints lighter. Therefore, the darkest fingerprint would signify the first button pressed and the lightest fingerprint would signify the last button pressed.



 
                                                                     
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Wow, so I was right about Patricia Thornton when I predicted that plot twist several episodes ago! (it's rare for me to be right about things, so yes, I'm enjoying the moment. haha.)


I didn't watch; is she the mole?



 
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Wow, so I was right about Patricia Thornton when I predicted that plot twist several episodes ago! (it's rare for me to be right about things, so yes, I'm enjoying the moment. haha.)


I didn't watch; is she the mole?

Go watch it and find out. wink.gif

I haven't watched it yet either... gonna have to wait until tomorrow now. sad.gif

Sounds like it's a good'n though.




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Hm. Hm.

I've seen this coming. And I'm not that happy about it. But I have to sort out my thoughts first before I can comment on it.

Just... It made me think again about what part exactly they had first offered to RDA. I used to think it was either the part of his father (or maybe grandfather in flashbacks). Now I'm not so sure about that anymore.



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Whoa! Almost didn't know there would be a show! I thought it was going into temporary reruns, which is what the past practice of the networks has been.

Ok, I think we all knew we would see Nikki again. But I didn't see this coming.

Loved the opening scene with Jack Dalton! And wow, didn't expect to see Murdock. But then again, Murdock shouldn't be in jail, he should have fallen down a crevice shouting MAC-GY-VAH!!!!!! and then just reappear.

Patricia Thornton is the mole? Holy crap! I think this has to be a deep undercover thing. And we don't know WHO is bad!!!

To me, this was Lost Love X 2. Jack Dalton has an ex get married? And MacGyver and Nikki may be together again?

Nice touch with the Warren Zevon song at the end.

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QUOTE (DXS @ 8 January 2017 - 01:19 AM)
This show is rumored to be in cancellation.

Where did you hear that rumor? It's been top of the heap for ratings every week. Seems odd that a top rating show would be marked for death.




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Oh Murdoc, that's who that was suppose to be..... thought it was Lecter. Enough main characters in this reboot to make their own ball team, now.



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Nikki. Blech. I still don't trust her.

Also, there was a serious lack of MacGyverisms in this show, no? unsure.gif

Not all of my thoughts sorted yet, but: I saw this coming for a while now (especially after Nikki's hint in Episode 8: Corkscrew), but I was only sure about it a few days ago when I realized Sandrine's Stand-In (Briana Lamb) wasn't working on the show anymore.

Patricia as the mole... If this was planned from the beginning, it certainly would explain RDA's rather harsh reaction statement on his website.

On the other hand, I'm not so sure if this was initially planned. The character of Thornton stayed rather one-dimensional and bland while they always tried really hard to make us like the other members of "Team MacGyver". I couldn't really "feel" her (besides that scene in Episode 4 in the end when she went to deceased Agent Bannister's family's house).

But who knows. There might be another plot twist coming in the Season Finale? Like I said: I still don't trust Nikki. Do we have MacGyver pining now for her until she comes back, turning his brain to mush and destroying potential relationships with other women? Ugh, I don't want a "bad-romance"-theme for the rest of the season; then I'd rather prefer they bring back that cute girl from the opening scene of the Escape Room in "Corkscrew". Or him having a different girl every other episode laugh.gif.




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I have to say this again: George Eads is a great actor. I don't like what they did to the character of Jack Dalton, but I tend to see George as "Lincoln" (of the Unaired Pilot Script) anyway. I think of all the actors, he has the best and biggest range of emotions.

I thought the opening sequence was hilarious, yet: I think the focus was too big on Jack. The show is still called "MacGyver". The idea of Sarah finding Nikki was brilliant, but the show should have either focused on Mac's broken heart or on Jack's broken heart. Adding the wedding on top along with two Exes AND Murdoc; it was just too much.



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Though it was a very well done episode. I felt they utilized Riley and Bozer very well. But they really like having Mac have three other people with him regardless. =P

Patricia as the mole I kinda saw coming though. There were some hints a while back about there being some big twists and something about Patricia, and I thought to myself... I bet she's actually the bad guy. Or maybe... she's just misunderstood? XD

I suppose we'll find out next episode what other twists they have in store.

I kinda miss old school Murdoc. Maybe it's nothing, but I would think the book he requested would be something used later to either escape or hatch some sort of plan.

The only thing about Patricia being the bad guy that bothers me is that Pete was MacGyver's best friend in the original. :/ I assumed they realized nobody liked her, so they got rid of her? The idea isn't a bad one, but I just wish they had stayed true to the Mac/Pete friendship.

But, what can ya do?

All in all, same... 4 out of 5, and a good job! smile.gif



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I'm probably one of the few 'drawn' hook-line-sinker by the tech/outdoor/sportif/cinematography aspect of the original series and this last episode hit rock bottom in this respect. The touchy-feely relationship stuff has it's place and definite fanbase ... but it severely undermines and detracts from the original series and in the minutes that have been allocated to it ..... so far. Let's hope that this trend doesn't continue any further, and that we get back to the more definitive features and strong points of this character and the natural (light) world around him.



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Totally agree Joe. I don't like the new series and despite whatever Lenkov promises to address there's been no change.

Dalton continued to be the thorn in my side & Macs supposed friend is now his enemy? Uh huh.

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I think we all have different visions of Mac, to some degree.

If I had it my way, I would have sold the franchise to Disney, commissioned a CGI 30min show based off the original with as many of the original cast/crew as possible, then made a movie based off the origin events of Partners staring Jared Padalecki.

But, that's just me... XD



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I still feel that I don't NEED this show to perfectly replicate the original series (I mean, if it was just going to be a carbon copy, what's the point? I might just as well watch the original, right?) So in that sense, I'm fine with new interpretations of the characters, new plot twists, etc. But, at the same time, a show needs to be good at whatever it attempts to do, and I feel this show often misses the mark.

For example, making Patricia a mole could have been a really cool twist, but the way this show handled it just didn't really do much for me. They revealed it, and instead of being shocked or intrigued, I just thought, "Oh, okay, that's what I thought."

Another example: I like the fact that they're attempting to make Nikki a more intriguing character than she was in the original series, but something about her just doesn't appeal to me, and I don't just mean because she seems a bit shady. (then again, to be fair, the original Nikki often wasn't appealing, either.)

And before the show started, I was in favor of giving Mac more supporting cast since I figured it would lead to more interesting storylines if there were more characters we cared about (I mean, I loved the original series when we had more episodes with Mac, Jack, Pete, Nikki, Penny, etc.), and I still think having a supporting cast is a good thing IF it's handled properly. But the way it's handled here often just makes the show feel overly crowded, like the writers are being forced to contrive situations in which they can include everybody, even if an episode might work better with fewer characters.



 
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An exact replica would be almost impossible and sure to fail.

However, there are certain elements of the original series that gave it it's own special 'air', placed it on a pedestal, and, for better or worse, made it very distinct and gave it a definite touch of pixy sprinkled chemistry. Alternatively, there were very commonly used series' characteristics that were avoided, rarely used and equally contributed to it's uniqueness the first time around. These are no so easy to nail down and articulate, but I believe most have been mentioned on this forum at some point and ,,,, unfortunately ,,,, the ball has been well dropped with respect to these traits in this reboot.

Don't get me wrong, I think Mac is very good in this one but the plots, supporting characters, and their collective lives obscures and shadows his je ne sais quoi a bit too much and somehow undermines (not enhances) that all important macgyverism urgency factor.



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If the writers didn't hint that a big twist was coming, Pat's betrayal would have caught me by surprise. That's what I get for visiting discussion forums!

And I feel like all those fan-girls in '88 - I don't like Nikki! Keep Mac alone. I don't want to see the character tied down in a relationship.

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QUOTE (MacGyverOnline @ 7 January 2017 - 04:34 AM)
QUOTE (DXS @ 8 January 2017 - 01:19 AM)
This show is rumored to be in cancellation.

Where did you hear that rumor? It's been top of the heap for ratings every week. Seems odd that a top rating show would be marked for death.



 
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I doubt it will get cancelled. But I can't stand his lackeys.

I haven't seen a single episode that made me smile. I was just. Mmhmm.

The original thrilled me at times. They refer to the Phoenix Foundation as a think tank but they are all operatives taking out enemies posing some form of international threat. No different to the FBI or CIA.



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The latest ratings (last Friday ) were great ...so .... Still, I must confess I gave it up , BECAUSE this isn't MacGyver...



 
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QUOTE (denizen @ 8 January 2017 - 04:01 PM)
They refer to the Phoenix Foundation as a think tank but they are all operatives taking out enemies posing some form of international threat. No different to the FBI or CIA.

The way I understand it, the Phoenix Foundation just pretends to be a Think Tank while being an organisation not unlike the CIA.

But it's possible they still do Think-Tank-like stuff to keep up their cover?



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This show is rumored to be in cancellation.

Where did you hear that rumor? It's been top of the heap for ratings every week. Seems odd that a top rating show would be marked for death.

Hm... but the article says something like "if the ratings continue to drop".

Yes, the show has lost viewers since the pilot, but the decline from pilot to the first few episodes happens to almost every show. The Total Viewers Ratings have been steady since Episode 4 and the show has the highest ratings at 8pm every Friday, so I think there is a good chance for another Season.

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Not a bad episode. But Bozers disguise was pretty poor. I thought he was was supposed to be good at that. The beard and wig looked really bad. Rileys disguise was not as bad though.
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It's MacGyver in name only. They've taken some aspects and especially in the intro for bait, and then turned into a soapy drama with really generic settings. If it makes 7 years then I'll eat a big pot of crow soup and stream it live. But let's see if it makes 7 months, first. biggrin.gif



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QUOTE (Frog @ 8 January 2017 - 04:36 PM)
But Bozers disguise was pretty poor. I thought he was was supposed to be good at that. The beard and wig looked really bad. Rileys disguise was not as bad though.

It did look a bit cheap, yes. But Bozer's still learning his trade, I guess. wink.gif

It might have more to do with the show's budget, though. There have been comments that the reboot looks cheaper than the original sometimes. But I think that could actually work in its favor when it comes to season renewals. (If CBS has too many shows with good ratings to choose from for another season, it is more likely that a show with a too high budget gets cancelled.)



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RDA said that they'd shot the original from every possible angle and thus after 7 long years, it was time to quit. Their extra effort really showed - each show was like a fresh, puffy snowball in the face on a subzero evening. This series has already exhausted their angle quota, and just keep repeating the same, show after show. Even the drone shots are the same 'slide' technique clip after clip. Zero ingenuity in this series, so far. They try to compensate by baffling the younger audience with a more complex script .... but it was the pure, fresh, vivid, simplicity of the original series that made it what it so endearing and allowed the viewer to transport themselves through the screen each and every episode.



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