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Airdate: 6 October 2017
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Overall, I'm very happy that they adressed the Events of the Season Finale. I always thought this should have an effect on Riley and was a bit miffed that they never even mentioned it in the S2 Premiere Episode.

I thought the Scenes between her and Jack were well done and I didn't mind a Riley-centered Episode (although I would have preferred a more Mac-centered Episode now that Season 2 has just started).

But again, I think there are too many People around. While Matty and Riley were almost background characters last week, this time I felt that Cage was somehow "in the way". Her Storyline with the ambassador and her Scenes with Bozer in the beginning somehow distracted me. Also, Matty starts grating on my nerves with her constant harping and criticizing of agents who should have years of experience in the spy business.

It's also interesting to note that there are much more complaints against Cage (character AND actress) on social media (especially the official Facebook page) then there were last week, although I felt most People liked this Episode better than the last one.

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I loved this episode except for Cage. I was very happy to see them address Riley's shooting from last season, Mac and Jack to finally have a disagreement instead of always getting along, and the Riley/Jack moment. It appears they are going to start focusing on the issues the characters have such as Mac's Dad, Riley's Dad, etc. and that is what I personally want to see along with the bromance. The writers are definitely elevating this season.

In saying this, I was not happy with Cage. I truly don't understand the point of this character. The beginning of the episode was working so well and then Cage joined the mission. I was fine seeing her work on her own mission without interfering with Mac/Jack's mission. Once she joined Mac's mission, it started to feel awkward. She has no chemistry with any of the characters in my opinion. Even while working with Mac, she didn't have the level of intensity that someone would have especially giving CPR to someone.

Some say they brought in a new character to alleviate the strain on Lucas/George and that makes sense. The issue I think is not the introduction of a new character but rather how they introduced her. She is a female version of Jack who is a potential love interest for Mac. She is a reminder of Nikki as is the storyline (Blonde, CIA, team member dating) and it doesn't work for me. Too me, the bromance is impacted and what I love about the show seems off with her in it.

There is so much to explore with the characters we have and it could have been done without a new character, at least a regular one. Why not make her a recurring character to see how the audience reacts. This was a huge risk on Peter's part. We are seeing them film episode 10 so it is a bit late to make changes to those episodes.

I can't remember social media being so negative toward a character on this show before. Yes, some didn't like Bozer, Thornton or Matty but it was a small number. This character is generating very negative reviews.

I still wonder if there is more to this character such as maybe Matty hired her to study the team given she is an interrogator. She analyzed Jack when she got in the car with Mac. Matty is not stupid and she knew Jack wouldn't stand down, but it was almost like a test. Even as an interrogator it doesn't make sense. In all the episodes in the past, they never interrogated anyone. The mission was started and finished quickly. In addition, we found out in July a new character was coming, but nothing was mentioned again until 2 weeks before the premier of Isabel Lucas. It seems strange to not promote her character more. Peter promotes the H5O cast all the time.

I love this show and it is upsetting to see how many negative reviews there are as you can't help but think it will impact the show and it's viewership. I hope Peter is reading/hearing what people are writing and saying.







 
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I was never a fan of Matty. lol I find her attitude to be awful, and now it's like they're trying to make it comical and it's actually really awkward and poorly delivered. I hate how to she talks to Jill too. Poor girl...

Cage's presence is completely and totally unnecessary. The scene with her in the red dress was probably supposed to make her seem sexy... and it really wasn't. It was kinda awkward. I agree... there's zero chemistry.

I find both characters to be pretentious and unlikable. No offense to their actors... it's not their fault.

Again, too many characters! Didn't mind that this was centered on Riley. She's a great character, and Tristin Mays is a great actress. I really felt for her character.

Though, did MacGyver really kill three guys there in the beginning by attaching them to the crate before sending them flying out of the plane? O_o AGAIN! It begs the question, if he's okay with killing people, why doesn't he use a gun? I don't understand this madness.... lol

They really need to shrink the cast down. Bozer, Matty (if they insist on her being the boss), Jack and Cage need to be toned down... a LOT. Mac needs more presence. I get it that they're supposed to take some of the pressure off, but Lucas needs to understand he's the title character and needs be the main presence of the show.

Now sharing with other actors is fine, but he barely has a presence because the focus is always on Jack acting like a child, or Matty being a jerk, or Bozer being friendzoned... and now Cage failing at being seductive.

And don't get me wrong, I don't say these things because I hate the show and don't want it to succeed. The show is great and has a lot of potential to be so much better. Lucas Till, Tristin Mayes and David Dastmalchian are excellent casting choices.

And... I kinda like Jill too. lol More Jill please! Matty just needs to stuff it.... lol

Original MacGyver wouldn't stand for it, that's for sure. He'd put her in her place, then walk out.

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Cage being sexy is definitely not working in my opinion.

I think last season Lucas/George mentioned they were so busy because they were putting so much pressure on themselves to get the part right and Lucas did a lot of ADR work. They removed most of the ADR work and George/Lucas stated this season is much easier as they know the role and what they want to bring to it.

In saying that, I don't know if I believe fully that this is the reason for the new character. Peter brought her in for a reason that no one seems to know why.

She takes away from what makes this show so good. Don't get me wrong, I still love this show but I don't like cringing when she comes on screen. I would rather focus on the characters and interactions that work so well.

 
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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 8 October 2017 - 12:07 PM)
Though, did MacGyver really kill three guys there in the beginning by attaching them to the crate before sending them flying out of the plane?

He may have killed many more people, actually... who knows where the crate landed! I don't think they were over the ocean, were they? If I remember the opening establishing shot correctly, they were over land, so it's likely that crate crashed down and destroyed somebody's home or an office building or whatever, killing multiple people inside. Yikes!

Overall, I thought this was a pretty good episode. I like that the show is delving a bit more into the characters this season, giving them a little depth, and I hope it continues to do that.

When Riley was hesitant to take the shot at the beginning of the episode, I thought we might finally get Mac's first "anti-gun" scene. I expected him to yell something like, "Don't do it, Riley! He's done. We got him!"

Last week, I thought Samantha was a good addition to the show. This week, not so much. I actually found her kind of irritating and superfluous.

On a side note, is it just me, or does anyone else think everyone on this show (aside from Jack) looks too young and inexperienced to be doing what they're doing? Mac, Bozer and Riley all look like they could still be college students, and now even Samantha has that soft doe-eyed look that doesn't match her "I'm a tough CIA agent!" attitude. I wish the creators of the show had cast older actors who look a bit more weathered and experienced (the cast of Hawaii 5-0, for example, is more believable in their roles.)



 
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QUOTE (MacGirl0629 @ 8 October 2017 - 01:46 AM)
In saying this, I was not happy with Cage. I truly don't understand the point of this character.

Yeah, I don't really see what she's bringing to the Team what they didn't have before.

She can fight and shoot, but Jack can do that as well. So, I guess her specialty of interrogation might come in handy one day.

I'm generally not happy how they introduced the new female cast members so far. In the Pilot Episode, Mac praises Nikki's hacking skills and being the best on a Keyboard - cut to him and Nikki getting it on on a Keyboard. Ugh. Don't do that if you want to have a strong female character with skills.

Matty came in barging like a harpy, insulting Mac with Nicknames (e.g. Blondie, Baby Einstein). And the way she treats the new hacker Girl Jill? That's pretty much harassement if you're the boss. She also treats Jack like an imbecile although she once said he's the best Agent she ever worked with. I preferred Thornton's cool stance. She was a bit detached, but still a professional who cared about her agents (until they decided to use her as a mole and made her disappear). Her giving orders felt like her being the boss and doing her job; there was no need for shouting and insults.

Cage comes on too strong, as well.

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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 8 October 2017 - 02:07 AM)
Though, did MacGyver really kill three guys there in the beginning by attaching them to the crate before sending them flying out of the plane? O_o AGAIN! It begs the question, if he's okay with killing people, why doesn't he use a gun? I don't understand this madness.... lol

I'm not sure about that. If I remember correctly, the crate had it's own parachute (which Mac activates so it sails out of the Cargo, taking the bad guys with it because Mac had attached them to the crate). And as I understood it, the bad guys had parachutes as well (because Jack mentiones something about the main bad guy taking the last one).

Although even if the other bad guys hadn't one, they could climb onto the crate with the parachute and jump off shortly before it crashes to the ground. Of course, that's not helping much with casualties if it lands on a mountain, in shark-infested waters, in the middle of a desert or on a building.

Overall, I liked the Opening Gambit - but why don't we ever get to see how they made it out? In 2x01, they were going to Crash the vehicle - cut to black. This time, we don't even hear how they made it back. Did MacGyver save the day? Did Jack somehow land the plane? Sure, it makes for more actiony Opening Gambits, but it's kinda lazy writing, no? Because that way, they can think of exciting scenarios but the writers don't have to think about a solution (aka MacGyverisms) as well.

It's like the scene wasn't good enough to get more budget and screentime. I would have preferred to see the end of this instead of the interrogation Scene between Cage and the ambassador.

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QUOTE (Miasma @ 8 October 2017 - 03:44 PM)
I like that the show is delving a bit more into the characters this season, giving them a little depth, and I hope it continues to do that.

Exactly! The characters definitely needed more depth, so I think it's even worse they introduced Cage as a regular instead of a recurring character.

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Yes, that was definitely a missed opportunity *sigh*

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Last week, I thought Samantha was a good addition to the show.  This week, not so much.  I actually found her kind of irritating and superfluous.

I try to give her the benefit of doubt for now because initially, this Episode wasn't supposed to air this Friday. (Remember, CBS changed the Episode order for several TV Shows last week due to the Shooting in Vegas.) It's possible there was something to her character in a Scene we don't get to see until next week.

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On a side note, is it just me, or does anyone else think everyone on this show (aside from Jack) looks too young and inexperienced to be doing what they're doing?  Mac, Bozer and Riley all look like they could still be college students, and now even Samantha has that soft doe-eyed look that doesn't match her "I'm a tough CIA agent!" attitude.  I wish the creators of the show had cast older actors who look a bit more weathered and experienced (the cast of Hawaii 5-0, for example, is more believable in their roles.)

Yes, they are quite a young Team and both Lucas and Isabel look younger than they actually are. If I remember correctly, Isabel Lucas is 32 - but I would totally believe it if someone told me she's 7 or 8 years younger. It makes sense that Bozer as Mac's roommate is the same age, but Cage or the boss of Phoenix could have been older. But if you look at the casting calls, all Extras they're looking for as techs and agents have to be under 30. Apparently, they don't want middle-aged People to work at Phoenix blink.gif

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I also love they are delving into the more personal side of the characters as well, and am confused as to why they would introduce a new character so soon. Maybe next season would have made more sense. Is it possible that Cage is actually being used as a way to study the team and force them to confront the issues they may have such as Riley's Dad, Mac's Dad, Jack/Riley, etc?

I am concerned this new character and the negativity surrounding her will impact the ratings. It's not like they can reshoot scenes without it costing money and they are now filming episode 10 so she is at least here for now.

Didn't something like this happen in H5O? I remember a character (Catherine) being introduced as recurring. Fans were not happy with her but since she only appeared on occasion, it was fine. When she was added as a regular, the tide turned and many fans were upset. I don't think she lasted a season and eventually left the show (not sure if it was her choice or not).

I know it happened with Matty's character as well, but I think fans can handle it better since she only appears on occasion and doesn't go on missions etc. This new character is interfering in the bromance and the missions. I think that is why so many don't like her.


 
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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 8 October 2017 - 08:12 AM)

I try to give her the benefit of doubt for now because initially, this Episode wasn't supposed to air this Friday. (Remember, CBS changed the Episode order for several TV Shows last week due to the Shooting in Vegas.) It's possible there was something to her character in a Scene we don't get to see until next week.


There definitely may be more to her character, but I don't think it will change the likability. She has no chemistry and seems so awkward.

Do you think Peter Lenkov and the writers truly read the review on social media about the show?

I remember an article last season that Peter stated he likes the good comments and the bad ones stick to him, but by the time the fans see the show, they are already filming many episodes ahead. I agree this may make it difficult to change certain aspects of the show, but not the characters. Yes, they are filming episode 10, but they can always write her character as recurring instead. I am amazed of the risk Peter Lenkov took in introducing a character as a series regular without seeing how fans would react.

Did this happen with Thornton's character? Fans were not very receptive and thought there was no chemistry so they wrote her out?


 
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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 9 October 2017 - 03:56 AM)
[QUOTE=Jediferret,8 October 2017 - 02:07 AM]
Overall, I liked the Opening Gambit - but why don't we ever get to see how they made it out? In 2x01, they were going to Crash the vehicle - cut to black. This time, we don't even hear how they made it back. Did MacGyver save the day? Did Jack somehow land the plane? Sure, it makes for more actiony Opening Gambits, but it's kinda lazy writing, no? Because that way, they can think of exciting scenarios but the writers don't have to think about a solution (aka MacGyverisms) as well.

It's like the scene wasn't good enough to get more budget and screentime. I would have preferred to see the end of this instead of the interrogation Scene between Cage and the ambassador.

Yeah, I hope that doesn't become the standard way of doing opening gambits. It reminds me of the opening of "Lost Treasure Of Atlantis" when Mac and the professor were stuck in that room that was being filled with seeds (or something... can't remember exactly), and we never saw how they escaped.

Speaking of the opening gambits, how does everyone else feel about them? Personally, I would be fine if they did them occasionally, but not ALL the time. The problem with doing them all the time is that it really makes the show feel formulaic (opening gambit -> personal interaction -> briefing at Phoenix -> mission.) The writers are just plugging scenes into the same template every week. I'd like to see them occasionally vary it a bit.

 
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 9 October 2017 - 02:35 AM)
Speaking of the opening gambits, how does everyone else feel about them?  Personally, I would be fine if they did them occasionally, but not ALL the time.  The problem with doing them all the time is that it really makes the show feel formulaic (opening gambit -> personal interaction -> briefing at Phoenix -> mission.)  The writers are just plugging scenes into the same template every week.  I'd like to see them occasionally vary it a bit.

I like them, actually! They're also more exciting than just the standard episode opener of other shows like someone getting murdered/kidnapped or the team gathering in the war room.

On the other hand, I think this might become a problem for time issues with the team getting bigger. With watching "Hawaii Five-0", I often felt there was not enough time for the main storyline with the opening scene and all the separate mission storylines plus adding all the personal problems and bromance scenes in.

In 2x01, Riley and Matty were practically non-existent. This time, it was Bozer and Matty. And even MacGyver didn't get enough screentime because Cage is a new character that needs to get introduced properly (which they didn't manage as we can see looking at complaints about her). I don't think 40 minutes is enough to do everyone justice, especially because we haven't even met all the recurring cast yet (e.g. Bozer's new love interest, Jill, Murdoc, Murdoc's son, MacGyver's dad we finally will meet etc.)

This is something we already mentioned back in Season 1 when the team was still quite small. I didn't think I got to know these characters enough - not even MacGyver - despite having 21 episodes.

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In case you're interested, here are the ratings: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/show...-10-6-2017.html

This episode again won the 8pm time slot with almost 6.4 million live viewers and a rating of 0.8 in demo.

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On a side note, is it just me, or does anyone else think everyone on this show (aside from Jack) looks too young and inexperienced to be doing what they're doing?  Mac, Bozer and Riley all look like they could still be college students, and now even Samantha has that soft doe-eyed look that doesn't match her "I'm a tough CIA agent!" attitude.  I wish the creators of the show had cast older actors who look a bit more weathered and experienced (the cast of Hawaii 5-0, for example, is more believable in their roles.)

Sign of the times. It's been happening everywhere in life and over the past few decades. Connor McDavid, at 20, is the best hockey player in the world, Zuckerberg createded FB @ 20 ...... etc. etc. Used to be that you'd have to "earn your stripes", "climb the ladder" get a few worry lines over your brow before becoming accomplished at a profession. Not nowadays, young'ns can swoop right in while still in school.

Albeit, this line of profession could/should/would take a bit more (years) of hands on experience to 'get it right' and in a real world, one would think ...... it's actually not their 'fresh faces' that bother me in this reboot, as much as their 'over cool' all knowing, been there, done that body language, voice tones, and jovial quips that seem uncharacteristic for that line of work, tip the hand, and seem to leave little doubt as to their odds for success in any given episode.

Not much of a tweak needed, just enough so that we, the viewer, don't get that fait Accompli feeling ..... 20 minutes in. Leave us hangin a bit and at the expense of that super cool group chatter.

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Age wise, they're not so young. Back in 2004, one of my favorite fictional characters was considered a seasoned agent at 27. But he came off as a skilled, competent agent.

HOWEVER, MacGyver seems a bit young because RDA's version was older and kinda came off as a big brother, especially to the viewer. Since RDA was the older brother anyway, he already had that big brother vibe going for him. MacGyver 2.0 doesn't work because he kinda comes off as the kid brother that needs looked after.

I prefer older Mac because he could take care of himself, was more mature and was someone you could truly look up to.

MacGyver 2.0 has potential, but, as I said before, he needs a more commanding presence. Stand up to Matty and give her an earful for being a jerk to Jill for crying out loud. (anyone else read that in Jack O'Neill's voice?)

In all honestly, MacGyver 2.0 actually comes off more as original MacGyver's son than MacGyver himself. There's just too many personality differences.

It's kinda like this kid has no idea who he is and he's still trying to figure himself out... or something. lol I dunno... XD

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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 9 October 2017 - 06:33 PM)
In case you're interested, here are the ratings: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/show...-10-6-2017.html

This episode again won the 8pm time slot with almost 6.4 million live viewers and a rating of 0.8 in demo.

Let's be honest here, it's up against some pretty crap shows and their ratings really tell the story. This reboot is only doing well because it's the best of a bad bunch. I'd like to see it up against the likes of Empire, Gray's Anatomy or Modern Life which all have similar or higher ratings and then we'd see the true ratings. My guess is it would be at the bottom of that heap.

 
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Cage is a good add but needs to speak more clearly so we can understand her. Loved the part where she asked Mac to unzip her dress and he didnít flinch. Also cried like a baby when Jack got to Riley in the trunk. Very emotional. Wish Mac had a bigger role in that episode but it was a good one. Still hoping for a Riley/Mac scene....even if just looking in each otherís eyes. Great show.

 
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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 10 October 2017 - 12:40 AM)
(anyone else read that in Jack O'Neill's voice?)


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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 10 October 2017 - 06:40 AM)
MacGyver 2.0 has potential, but, as I said before, he needs a more commanding presence. Stand up to Matty and give her an earful for being a jerk to Jill for crying out loud. (anyone else read that in Jack O'Neill's voice?)

I will never be able to read "for crying out loud" without Jack O'Neill's voice in my head again laugh.gif

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QUOTE (Walter @ 10 October 2017 - 11:07 AM)
Let's be honest here, it's up against some pretty crap shows and their ratings really tell the story. This reboot is only doing well because it's the best of a bad bunch. I'd like to see it up against the likes of Empire, Gray's Anatomy or Modern Life which all have similar or higher ratings and then we'd see the true ratings. My guess is it would be at the bottom of that heap.

Friday is a bit special when it comes to ratings anyway, but I think MacGyver profits also because it fits well with "H50" and "BlueBloods" and the target demo.

If you look at the numbers, you can see that it's doing especially well with people age 50+. These viewers are more "stable" and reliable. It shows in DVR ratings and rerun ratings.

"Once Upon A Time" always had a quite reliable fandom that would have followed to the changed airdate on Fridays - if they hadn't completely rebooted the show this season; getting rid of the fan favorites in the cast. Marvel's "Inhumans" got bad reviews, but it's also adressed at younger viewers that either go out on Fridays or watch online instead of live.

No, MacGyver probably wouldn't do so well on another weekday or as lead-in for other shows. For once, CBS knew what they were doing when they planned the schedule. (Otherwise, I still think CBS has no clue how to promote their shows properly.)

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I will never be able to read "for crying out loud" without Jack O'Neill's voice in my head again laugh.gif

Believe it or not, I have an alert on my phone of Jack saying "for crying out loud". biggrin.gif RDA is awesome...

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I can pretty much imagine him saying any word or sentence. Is this rare ability?


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The episode for me was magnificent. I really liked that it shows the relationship of Jack and Riley and although the protagonist is Mac it is very good that some episodes focus on the other characters. I also think that George is as poignant as Lucas I do not consider him a supporting actor. Ceo Matty has to change his stance and stop verbally attacking both Mac and Jack, but mainly Jack despises him, treats him as someone who does not know his work and I think he is the best in his field so it's there and they do not let it show, I think someone has to stop Matty and I think maybe Mac should do it, because Jack already had a talk with her and she did not change. With regard to Cage I have no idea what role he plays, so far it's like the team does not fit it's like he wants to take Jack's place and that's not possible. Maybe it would be better as a recurring character. I hope this relationship between Riley and Jack continues like this and more and more.

 
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I also think that George is as poignant as Lucas I do not consider him a supporting actor.

I think Eads is the most talented actor on the show right now and he has a lot of screen presence. And the writers obviously love his character and write good scenes for him; especially scenes doing the emotional work on the show.

So no, he doesn't feel like a supporting actor but because the show is still titled "MacGyver" and not "Mac & Jack" or "Team MacGyver" or "Team Phoenix", he should have been written as a supporting character.

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Exactly.

This episode was a story-arc for Riley. So of course she has some of the important scenes. On the other hand, she had no business of being on that cargo-plane. Why did they need to take the hacker with them?

The same goes for Bozer in Episode 2x04. Yes, he wanted to help. But he had no business of going with Jack and Cage to that warehouse. Matty should have made him stay back - especially since his presence didn't bring anything to that scenes. He sees the dead bodies lying there, getting a bit more traumatized by seeing people who had been shot in the head. And that's it. His character brings nothing to the scene; so there's no point using him here.

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Great Riley-centric episode with lots of emotions, especially from Jack.

Shame that a new character is immediately gunned down here after appearing in only one episode. Not so long ago, I nearly unliked the Facebook page of the soap that I watch because of all the negativity it gets. How storylines keeps dragging on for months, how characters are chewed up and spat out if they do this or this out of the ordinary or suddenly do something bad and that's it better they leave the show immediately or else they threaten to no longer watch it, as if that's going to make any difference. It's like all social media is good for: to complain. And that's when I usually side with those characters.

Also what's wrong with strong female characters? Is it ever good enough? The original was criticized because every woman was a damsel in distress he needed to save. They came with strong characters like Nikki and Maria Romburg who didn't back down from a fight and it was not good enough. Now we have Nikki, Riley and Cage showing great hacker and combat skills and again it's not good because they also use other things like their bodies? What do you people want? Life is more then just work.

Let's just get started from the beginning.

The plane opening gambit was great but as it was already said here: it wouldn't hurt if we see some more closure on the gambits one way or the other. I don't care if we only see it after the opening credits but I really would want to know how they landed that plane.

Riley's first solo mission was great and I love it how Jack tries to protect here. I really connected with him this time. Or should I say for the first time. Jack is tough on the outside but on the inside he is so mellow, it's endearing. I understand how he felt when you can't help the person you love, because I've actually been there. So yeah, I was kinda hoping on some sort of explosion of him, maybe not a breakdown but that he would just explode. Maybe he should've hit Mac hard at the warehouse and that Mac jumped on his back or something. Or maybe Mac should've hit him first because I don't think Jack would've expected that, even if it was just a slap in the face. Then he gets his head chewed off by Matty at Phoenix. If I was Jack, or if it was me there, I reached the point that I would stopped listening to her. I would've gone back out here against her orders and if Bozer tried to stop me, I would've simply pushed him out of the way. If that's all the reason she needs to fire me, it's her loss. All I can hope than is that the team's got my back. I think the whole team should stand up to her once to make their point. I wonder what she would do then? But she practically reached the point with me that I would start ignoring her during missions debriefings for as long as I work there. I would just stick around for the team and I'll be taking my orders from Mac directly and only him or Jack when Mac's not around. The pizza scene made something up but not enough if she can't drop that attitude.

And I really felt for Jill as well. I assume she fully replaced the other assistent by now but if I was her, I would've either pushed the tablet in Matty's arms or simply destroyed it and left. Actually MacGyver is more then competent to follow-up missions or give out new assignments and to go with them at the same time.

Very great moment on Mac's stakeout when Cage asks him to unzip her. He unzips her, there's a shot of the hackers breaking in and that next close up of Till is downright hilarious how he sits there, thinking apparently: don't look at her, don't look at her. That was a great shot.

What Cage is concerned... first thing came to mind: 2 missions in one episode? Is she going to go on missions of her own? If so I wonder how they will integrate then on the show, or is this part of a bigger storyline. But I think the same thing here goes as what goes for the opening gambits and that is that has closure of some sort or else we're going to have a lot of loose ends here.

I agree on the ages though. They indeed look like they're just out of college and need to do some soul searching first. Mac is 24-25 and all the others doesn't look much older except for Jack and maybe Mattie. Should that be a problem? No. Most of the people in the original were all in their early to late 30's and a lot of them weren't so serious either like the original Jack. Sometimes it freaks me out they teamed up Mac with teens or other people barely in their twenties. Tony Milani, Breeze, Ray, Lobo, Jenny, Kelly Dobbs, Maria Romburg. All people that could've been his kids.

Don't forget Maria Romburg was 23 herself when she met MacGyver, yet she managed to become a fully trained (yet from childhood) Stasi-agent doing missions all over Europe and the United States at that age. So the accident that broke her jaw in several places must've taken place when she was like 20-21 years old, before the Wall came down if she was fully recovered by the time she met him. So is it that weird? No, I don't think so.

I think original Nikki was about 28 when she met MacGyver. I don't think Riley is much younger then that. Yet her relationship with Jack seems less freaky but mainly because he considers her as a daughter.

Thirty years ago, I think this Jack would've been more like Pete, wearing suits pushing pencils behind a desk but that image doesn't fit anymore in this day and age. In the 80's, you were an old guy when you were 50, I no longer think that's the case nowadays.

What I learned of this episode is that everything is a computer. I was actually a little shocked that pacemakers are in fact computers in our bodies and that with one push of a remote you can just kill a guy by shutting down his pacemaker. That's one dangerous weapon. Maybe even more dangerous than those course changing bullets from the Hawai episode. If just one deranged person thinks of shutting down peoples pacemakers nobody will be the wiser. Scary thought.

Other than that, good and emotional episode.

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