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Krug Posted on 29 April 2020 - 09:08 AM
 
QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 29 April 2020 - 03:23 AM)
QUOTE (Krug @ 29 April 2020 - 02:15 AM)
-"You're that teenager from the Falcon organization." A nod from the writer's room on this Mac's youthful presentation?

I think Clive must have met up with Murdoc at some point tongue.gif

It's not gonna happen but I would love to see Murdoc somehow involved (even on the fringe) with Codex, particularly The Merchant. Alas...

Heck, I'll go for any Murdoc this season. whistle.gif
Krug Posted on 29 April 2020 - 09:05 AM
 
QUOTE (Dragondog @ 29 April 2020 - 12:11 AM)

This. All of this. You're better with words than I am laugh.gif

And DEUS EX MACHINA was exactly the term I meant, and it really does make CODEX look pathetic


They're becoming more-and-more prevalent as shows lose more-and-more runtime to adbreaks, but man, did it really stick out in this one.

Everything with The Merchant and Mac in the cell was so well-conceived, written and performed. The episode (and some of the story's narrative) fell apart a bit for me when those two weren't on-screen together.
Krug Posted on 29 April 2020 - 09:02 AM
 
QUOTE (real_ness @ 28 April 2020 - 09:37 PM)
QUOTE (Krug @ 28 April 2020 - 05:56 PM)
QUOTE (real_ness @ 26 April 2020 - 01:45 PM)
Anybody's guess about Where did Riley's admiration for Mac come from is as good as anyone else's, but I really don't see any correlation between Riley's infatuation with Mac and any of her boyfriends. None of them were like Mac.

It just seems to me CBS (even though they aren't the only ones) can't make a show without the the male and female leads climbing into bed with each other. They did before with Elementary so I know they can at least try. Now they are taking turns climbing into bed with each other.

Except for the fact that it's been hinted at and pretty obvious for about three seasons now.

They became close friends who always seem to be there for each other and know what the other one needs. Sometimes that leads to one party developing feelings beyond friendship.

A trope as old as time.

That doesn't necessarily mean sexual chemistry and that's just as well saying he should be with Bozer then, then because they've done all that longer than MacRiley has. People have to be presented with example of men and women in close quarters NOT climbing over each other because in reality it doesn't happen way more than it does.

All very true...but they've at least built towards something on that end. The current relationship foisted on us happened all off-screen and minus the flashback to Thailand (which did very little to prove anything other than the point I've made above) is all we've gotten to flesh it out.

Now it's very well possible the whole Riley thing is unrequited...but they've kind of written themselves into a corner here regardless.

Maybe it has to do with the younger "presentation" of this MacGyver (despite being exactly the same age in S1 as the original was), but it's interesting to note the lack of pushback from the female audience (everyone seems to be "stanning" one or the other) compared to when they tried to pair off RDA. How times have changed. Of course, this MacGyver has far less known past relationships (Penny, Nikki...and...) than the OG that could be "inconveniently" written into the narrative, and even when they had that chance (Frankie, for instance, which I actually could have gone for, speaking of Bones/Booth), they declined.

In general I've enjoyed this season...the one downside has been the strange handling of Mac's intimate relationships. I'm not against it (people love love after all), but it needs to "feel right," ya know? Anyone watch Castle, Castle/Beckett was fantastic, but it wasn't rushed nor forced into the series narrative either. That's the key. A relationship for the sake of the main character having one? Blah.

We shall see where this goes.
DashboardOnFire Posted on 29 April 2020 - 03:23 AM
 
QUOTE (Krug @ 29 April 2020 - 02:15 AM)
-"You're that teenager from the Falcon organization." A nod from the writer's room on this Mac's youthful presentation?

I think Clive must have met up with Murdoc at some point tongue.gif
Dragondog Posted on 29 April 2020 - 12:11 AM
 
QUOTE (Krug @ 28 April 2020 - 07:15 PM)
I had a super busy weekend for a change and the work week has been just as breakneck. So, my re-watch may not be as in-depth as it could be as I squeeze this in while I can.

-Having read the previews the suspense of where is Mac is a bit undercut. Still, where are they?

-"You're that teenager from the Falcon organization." A nod from the writer's room on this Mac's youthful presentation?

-The Merchant is a fascinating character well-played by James Callis.

-A guy named "Clive" laughing at the concept of somebody being named "Angus" is rich.

-Ah, so the prison is at Phoenix. Russ' bottomless bank account.

-AWKWARD. What couple showers together with a third wheel in the house? laugh.gif

-"A deranged chat show host." Yes! Perfect description of The Merchant.

-Good to know Bozer has a "rodent guy."

-1...2...3...I think you've been made, Phoenix.

-Yes, pull him out, Russ. Also, great leadership from Russ. We did this at MI6...it didn't work. unsure.gif

-"They have our location." Uh, Phoenix, it appears everyone does by this point.

-The war room doesn't seem like a great location to leave The Merchant.

-Ugh, this Mac and Desi scene is really out of place.

-Here's that Desi/Scarlet showdown they've been foreshadowing.

-*headscratching* Another DEUS EX MACHINA resolution. This one stung a bit a bit with no buildup. And it certainly doesn't make Codex look too formidable either.

---

This was a good episode up until the weasel-y way they wrote themselves out of the conflict. The high points all seemed to come when The Merchant was on screen, and he capped that off with his final conversation with MacGyver ("there isn't just Codex or Phoenix...there's you").

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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 26 April 2020 - 01:59 AM)
They later realized thatís not working and softened Desi for Season 4, but to me, they sort of overdid it - or it feels to me like they did (because we never got to see Desi fall in love with Mac and change due to the time jump). Itís normal for people to change over the course of 18+ months, but to us it feels like emotional whiplash laugh.gif.


The biggest difficulty I have with Mac/Desi is that the relationship seems really a departure from what one would expect of Mac and from what was presented to us of Desi in S3. You're right in that the time jump really cost them any chance at true character development and what we're left with is a confusing scenario where we are supposed to care about a relationship that we haven't been given any good reason to believe should be cheered for or even exist.

To me, it still comes off as a relationship of physical convenience devoid of anything but superficial ideas of a true emotional connection. Mac just blurting out "I love you" at a time the two were in a "high-risk" situation (or one that was presented as such) where one of the two was unsure about the other's emotional/mental state? Classic bad relationship trope.

Say what you will about Mac/Riley, but at least seeds have been planted about a real emotional connection between the two over the years.

I didn't watch a ton of Bones, but from what I recall there was a palpable underlying sense even from the get-go that Bones/Booth would be part of the series' end game. Of course, you got to see that relationship mature and grow over time, and come to make all the sense in the world. You have the exact opposite here, and it's tough for a lot of people to buy their supposed chemistry.

They are certainly planting some seeds here for what seemed to be the long-term play starting a few seasons ago. Hopefully, it happens a non-tacky way and they avoid the cliched love triangle. I have my doubts they will.

This. All of this. You're better with words than I am laugh.gif

And DEUS EX MACHINA was exactly the term I meant, and it really does make CODEX look pathetic
real_ness Posted on 28 April 2020 - 09:37 PM
 
QUOTE (Krug @ 28 April 2020 - 05:56 PM)
QUOTE (real_ness @ 26 April 2020 - 01:45 PM)
Anybody's guess about Where did Riley's admiration for Mac come from is as good as anyone else's, but I really don't see any correlation between Riley's infatuation with Mac and any of her boyfriends. None of them were like Mac.

It just seems to me CBS (even though they aren't the only ones) can't make a show without the the male and female leads climbing into bed with each other. They did before with Elementary so I know they can at least try. Now they are taking turns climbing into bed with each other.

Except for the fact that it's been hinted at and pretty obvious for about three seasons now.

They became close friends who always seem to be there for each other and know what the other one needs. Sometimes that leads to one party developing feelings beyond friendship.

A trope as old as time.

That doesn't necessarily mean sexual chemistry and that's just as well saying he should be with Bozer then, then because they've done all that longer than MacRiley has. People have to be presented with example of men and women in close quarters NOT climbing over each other because in reality it doesn't happen way more than it does.
Krug Posted on 28 April 2020 - 04:15 PM
  I had a super busy weekend for a change and the work week has been just as breakneck. So, my re-watch may not be as in-depth as it could be as I squeeze this in while I can.

-Having read the previews the suspense of where is Mac is a bit undercut. Still, where are they?

-"You're that teenager from the Falcon organization." A nod from the writer's room on this Mac's youthful presentation?

-The Merchant is a fascinating character well-played by James Callis.

-A guy named "Clive" laughing at the concept of somebody being named "Angus" is rich.

-Ah, so the prison is at Phoenix. Russ' bottomless bank account.

-AWKWARD. What couple showers together with a third wheel in the house? laugh.gif

-"A deranged chat show host." Yes! Perfect description of The Merchant.

-Good to know Bozer has a "rodent guy."

-1...2...3...I think you've been made, Phoenix.

-Yes, pull him out, Russ. Also, great leadership from Russ. We did this at MI6...it didn't work. unsure.gif

-"They have our location." Uh, Phoenix, it appears everyone does by this point.

-The war room doesn't seem like a great location to leave The Merchant.

-Ugh, this Mac and Desi scene is really out of place.

-Here's that Desi/Scarlet showdown they've been foreshadowing.

-*headscratching* Another DEUS EX MACHINA resolution. This one stung a bit a bit with no buildup. And it certainly doesn't make Codex look too formidable either.

---

This was a good episode up until the weasel-y way they wrote themselves out of the conflict. The high points all seemed to come when The Merchant was on screen, and he capped that off with his final conversation with MacGyver ("there isn't just Codex or Phoenix...there's you").

---

QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 26 April 2020 - 01:59 AM)
They later realized thatís not working and softened Desi for Season 4, but to me, they sort of overdid it - or it feels to me like they did (because we never got to see Desi fall in love with Mac and change due to the time jump). Itís normal for people to change over the course of 18+ months, but to us it feels like emotional whiplash laugh.gif.


The biggest difficulty I have with Mac/Desi is that the relationship seems really a departure from what one would expect of Mac and from what was presented to us of Desi in S3. You're right in that the time jump really cost them any chance at true character development and what we're left with is a confusing scenario where we are supposed to care about a relationship that we haven't been given any good reason to believe should be cheered for or even exist.

To me, it still comes off as a relationship of physical convenience devoid of anything but superficial ideas of a true emotional connection. Mac just blurting out "I love you" at a time the two were in a "high-risk" situation (or one that was presented as such) where one of the two was unsure about the other's emotional/mental state? Classic bad relationship trope.

Say what you will about Mac/Riley, but at least seeds have been planted about a real emotional connection between the two over the years.

I didn't watch a ton of Bones, but from what I recall there was a palpable underlying sense even from the get-go that Bones/Booth would be part of the series' end game. Of course, you got to see that relationship mature and grow over time, and come to make all the sense in the world. You have the exact opposite here, and it's tough for a lot of people to buy their supposed chemistry.

They are certainly planting some seeds here for what seemed to be the long-term play starting a few seasons ago. Hopefully, it happens a non-tacky way and they avoid the cliched love triangle. I have my doubts they will.
Krug Posted on 28 April 2020 - 02:56 PM
 
QUOTE (real_ness @ 26 April 2020 - 01:45 PM)
Anybody's guess about Where did Riley's admiration for Mac come from is as good as anyone else's, but I really don't see any correlation between Riley's infatuation with Mac and any of her boyfriends. None of them were like Mac.

It just seems to me CBS (even though they aren't the only ones) can't make a show without the the male and female leads climbing into bed with each other. They did before with Elementary so I know they can at least try. Now they are taking turns climbing into bed with each other.

Except for the fact that it's been hinted at and pretty obvious for about three seasons now.

They became close friends who always seem to be there for each other and know what the other one needs. Sometimes that leads to one party developing feelings beyond friendship.

A trope as old as time.
DashboardOnFire Posted on 28 April 2020 - 08:57 AM
  Blog post about the MacGyverisms by Tech Consultant Rhett Allain: https://rhettallain.com/2020/04/28/macgyver...-merchant-bird/
DashboardOnFire Posted on 27 April 2020 - 12:38 PM
  Final Ratings: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/show...-4-24-2020.html