We've been saying that for many episodes, now. So far, his house has been invaded by serial killers several times and even been rigged with explosives. It makes no sense he doesn't even have a security system installed - not because he feels the need to, but because Phoenix insists on it (I mean, if he's their highest valued agent, they might have some say in it where and how he lives).

I think Mac should move out and live on a houseboat. Just saying.

I'm pretty sure they didn't actually throw MDB off a cliff even when he was younger!

Kidding aside, I guess I just wanted a more clever death for him. Shooting him was pretty uninspired. Heck, I would have been happier if Mac used his net trap, at least then we would have gotten a scene of Mac and MDB talking to each other. As it was, we didn't even get to hear MDB say the name MacGyver once in the entire episode!

On a side note: I might be forgetting something, but did the can of beans ever get used for anything? I remember Murdoc asking for them (twice), and it seemed to be a set up for something, but now I can't remember what happened with them.
(Speaking of which, "Murdoc and Beans" would have been a funny title for this episode.)

We've been saying that for many episodes, now. So far, his house has been invaded by serial killers several times and even been rigged with explosives. It makes no sense he doesn't even have a security system installed - not because he feels the need to, but because Phoenix insists on it (I mean, if he's their highest valued agent, they might have some say in it where and how he lives).

I think Mac should move out and live on a houseboat. Just saying.

Me neither. It's so... "ordinary". It would go well with "Helman" though - if they were related

Me neither. It's so... "ordinary". It would go well with "Helman" though - if they were related

Murdoc tormenting Jack made my night. I don't know what I liked best about that scene with the beans: the fact that Murdoc was that protective of them, the look on his face the exact second he realized Jack was going to throw him off the train, or the fact that he screamed when Jack threw him off.

Yeah, I think they could've done more with MDB, but all the producers and MDB himself kept saying on twitter, "Murdoc never dies. Did you see a body? He could've had a vest." and so on.

So Murdoc's real name is Dennis? Not what I expected.

I think the best scene of the night was Murdoc singing. That settles it- both Murdocs sing better than I do.

I thought it was great, and my favorite part was the way that it's implied that Baby Murdoc killed someone with a pencil sharpener. Just *money.* Whoever came up with that idea deserves a chocolate chip cookie.

Although, I think it's really sweet that Murdoc is trying to protect Cassian by having him put on headphones, et cetera. He's a good daddy.

Definitely think that Dennis (which is how I will henceforth be referring to him) was the MVP of the episode. I wish that we'd had more interaction between him and Sexy Helman. (Don't judge me; I have to have a way to differentiate him from the original Helman, don't I?) I'm just glad to see MDB showing up at all, and they could still bring him back if they played their cards right, but I think that the entire storyline with Sexy Helman could've been handled better and that they should've had a real showdown instead of that anticlimactic ending. I think that Helman in all his incarnations is much more talented than this episode gave him credit for, and as cool as Dennis is, he's just not that good.

But yeah, seeing Dennis unleashed always puts me in a good mood. He's so funny!

Did anyone else catch the way that Jack Attack kept referring to Dennis as "Doc?" It reminded me of Jediferret's theory that "Murdoc" could be short for "Murder Doctor." Maybe she's onto something!

Addendum: I think I still prefer "Eddie" for the original Murdoc. Somehow it seems to suit him.

How was that implied?

Murdoc told the kid to put his headphones on and close his eyes. Also Murdoc was the one who picked up the pencil sharpener.

Yes, I agree that the implication of abuse was there. I'm suspecting that perhaps his mother was abused as well, because so far New Murdoc hasn't mentioned any problems with his mother and he made an off-handed comment to Jack in the car about how his mother always told him he was special. Also, he was very clear to specify that he killed his own father, not his own parents, which to me implies that he had no problems with his mother. But I could be reading too much into that. Wouldn't be the first time.

I noticed that too! It explained a lot for me, because up until that point, I was wondering what would have caused New Murdoc to be willing to turn on someone so important to him, even if it was something that he was ordered to do.

He's sure one of the most interesting characters in the show - at least for me

Though he clearly shows sociopathic/psychopathic behavior, he's somewhat capable of feeling and interpreting feelings - and caring for something/someone (if it serves his purpose, probably). He just doesn't seem to understand the concept of (romantic) love and is still confused why Helman quit his job for a woman.

Do you know what's sad? Every time I hear Helman, I just want to sing the Hellman's mayo jingle....

Bring out the Hellman's and bring out the best!

Unless Matty *wants* him to escape. After all the two of them do have this cat-and-mouse thing going on... And also, she may be hiding some pertinent info from Baby Mac, and I haven't seen every episode of the original yet, but wasn't the character Matt Webber from the original show a bad guy? Granted, that doesn't mean much considering that they turned Pete Thornton into an evil woman, but *still.* Doesn't exactly add any points in her favor.

I've also been wondering if Cage could be Ashton. Even though New Murdoc shot her, I'm still not convinced that she couldn't be Ashton somehow. Definitely don't trust her.

I've mentioned this before on threads for other reboot episodes, but I just think that none of the Phoenix crew seem to understand Murdoc very well. Or bad guys in general. They need someone from the BAU from "Criminal Minds" to crossover and set them straight. Baby MacGyver's only just now figuring out that Murdoc tells lies. That's a problem. Also, despite having psychopathic tendencies, New Murdoc is probably not actually a psychopath according to the DSM-V definition, so that's something else that I'm not quite sure they get. There are a lot of things that I like about this show, but the way that the Phoenix crew handles their baddies---not one of them. Seems to me like they can catch your standard thugs, but when it comes to people who are talented, they lose more often than they win.

Not sure - they're either working on 2x20 or 2x21.

Lenkov sad in an interview in January (with Matt Carter) when asked if Murdoc will show up again: He is in a big episode coming up. One more.

So, if he meant 2x15, that was it.

Isabel Lucas is still in Australia right now. If she's going to show up in the Season Finale, she should hop on a flight soon... very soon. Also, I don't know if the "real" Season Finale will be 2x22 or 2x23. They did order an additional episode, but maybe the last episode was always meant as a filler episode (e.g. Cairo). I don't know if the additional episode was a script they've already written or if they ordered an extra script which maybe doesn't fit the main storyline (since the season finale had already been written months ago).

Me too!

I think David Dastmalchian loved that line, too. He was sharing it on twitter.

After that story he told about the spider, I can't help but think of how hilarious it would have been if he'd sang "The Itsy-Bitsy Spider" instead of "Home on the Range".

YES!!! That would have been great!