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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 9 January 2017 - 06:27 AM)
Their extra effort really showed - each show was like a fresh, puffy snowball in the face on a subzero evening. This series has already exhausted their angle quota, and just keep repeating the same, show after show.

It's not just the shots, either.
I just don't get the sense that anybody involved in making this show is feeling particularly inspired. It's more like they have a list of things that must be included in each episode, and the writers simply plug the required ingredients into each script. It all feels very "paint by numbers."

I imagine the list of required elements looks something like this:

1. Open the episode with a mini adventure. Make sure Jack and Mac exchange a few humorous quips.
2. Be sure to include a scene at Mac's house. If possible, include Bozer in this scene, even if he's not really vital to episode. This scene should be light-hearted (light whimsical music will be played in the background throughout this scene.)
3. Provide mission exposition at the Phoenix Foundation. Make sure to use the large computer screens to provide some of the exposition (the audience will find these screens very exciting!)
4. Send everyone out on the mission. Please be sure to structure it so that ALL key players are involved (Mac, Jack and Riley.) If possible, find something for Bozer to do.
5. Mission should be set in another country, but please write it so that most of the action takes place in a generic environment (inside a building, for example), so that we do not have to worry about trying to make the location look like the other country. If you must include outdoor locations, again please try to choose something generic, such as woods, etc.
6. Be sure to incorporate 2 MacGyverisms per act.
etc.


There have been a few variations occasionally, but for most part, this is what every episode looks like. I'd like to see them step away from this.

By contrast, in the original series, I never felt there was too much of a formula. Sometimes we saw the Phoenix Foundation, sometimes we didn't. Sometimes Mac worked alone, sometimes he had a sidekick. Sometimes he was on an assignment, sometimes he was just helping a friend. Some episodes were comedic, others were preachy, others were just straught-up adventures, etc. And I'm not saying the variety always worked in the original. Some episodes misfired completely. But I appreciated the fact that they didn't feel tied down so much.



 
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Thats it in a nutshell. biggrin.gif



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QUOTE (Miasma @ 9 January 2017 - 02:18 PM)
QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 9 January 2017 - 06:27 AM)
Their extra effort really showed - each show was like a fresh, puffy snowball in the face on a subzero evening. This series has already exhausted their angle quota, and just keep repeating the same, show after show.

It's not just the shots, either.
I just don't get the sense that anybody involved in making this show is feeling particularly inspired. It's more like they have a list of things that must be included in each episode, and the writers simply plug the required ingredients into each script. It all feels very "paint by numbers."

I imagine the list of required elements looks something like this:

1. Open the episode with a mini adventure. Make sure Jack and Mac exchange a few humorous quips.
2. Be sure to include a scene at Mac's house. If possible, include Bozer in this scene, even if he's not really vital to episode. This scene should be light-hearted (light whimsical music will be played in the background throughout this scene.)
3. Provide mission exposition at the Phoenix Foundation. Make sure to use the large computer screens to provide some of the exposition (the audience will find these screens very exciting!)
4. Send everyone out on the mission. Please be sure to structure it so that ALL key players are involved (Mac, Jack and Riley.) If possible, find something for Bozer to do.
5. Mission should be set in another country, but please write it so that most of the action takes place in a generic environment (inside a building, for example), so that we do not have to worry about trying to make the location look like the other country. If you must include outdoor locations, again please try to choose something generic, such as woods, etc.
6. Be sure to incorporate 2 MacGyverisms per act.
etc.


There have been a few variations occasionally, but for most part, this is what every episode looks like. I'd like to see them step away from this.

By contrast, in the original series, I never felt there was too much of a formula. Sometimes we saw the Phoenix Foundation, sometimes we didn't. Sometimes Mac worked alone, sometimes he had a sidekick. Sometimes he was on an assignment, sometimes he was just helping a friend. Some episodes were comedic, others were preachy, others were just straught-up adventures, etc. And I'm not saying the variety always worked in the original. Some episodes misfired completely. But I appreciated the fact that they didn't feel tied down so much.

Yes, bang on. This is the antique rug / contemporary rug scenario that I've mentioned before. Peasants weaving rugs 200 years ago didn't have anything to go by, just a sketching, muscle memory, and fellow villager collaboration....and they turned out the best rugs in history. The slight weaving, loom, and dye flaws that they all inevitably had only served to give them a more special identity, character, and uniqueness that has stood the test of time.

Today, by comparison, they're all computerized and machine woven, one the same as the other - cookie cutter with the push of a button, and, accordingly, boring as hell. Seems when the human element gets taken out of things, be it natural vs synthetic dyes, computerized vs hand renderings (example: my avatar is composed of actual hand sketches off production paper from the Survivors Episode - would they still do this brain scheming exercise in today's series?), hands on vs mechanical ..... things can get cold, flat, and 'rigid' very quickly.

But now let me play the devil ('s advocate). Who the hell cares in this computerized, ADHD, computerized, video game, digital gadget dominated world? Can today's generation notice and/or really care about those/any production subtleties? ( I'm betting < 25%).



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I can't believe no-one's mentioned Mac hurting his hand when he punched that guy at the start of the episode. ohmy.gif

I found this episode quite enjoyable. Can't say I noticed any of the criticisms mentioned by anyone else... just kinda sat back turned my brain off and enjoyed it. smile.gif




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QUOTE (MacGyverOnline @ 11 January 2017 - 06:49 AM)
I can't believe no-one's mentioned Mac hurting his hand when he punched that guy at the start of the episode. ohmy.gif


........ that charade was getting old already in the first series. blink.gif ohmy.gif



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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 11 January 2017 - 03:30 PM)
........ that charade was getting old already in the first series. blink.gif ohmy.gif

Noooo, I like that biggrin.gif



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It was getting old on The Rockford Files .... then MacGyver (1) 'borrowed it', now MacGyver(2) is using it to mollify the old school fans a bit ,,,,, while they slowly bastardize the bulk of it all. biggrin.gif



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QUOTE (MacGyverOnline @ 11 January 2017 - 12:49 PM)
I found this episode quite enjoyable. Can't say I noticed any of the criticisms mentioned by anyone else... just kinda sat back turned my brain off and enjoyed it. smile.gif

I have to say as long as I turn my brain off or treat the reboot like a patient to analyze laugh.gif, I can quite enjoy it.

But I'm still very unhappy about so many missed opportunities.

The idea of Thornton being set up and having to leave is quite brilliant (and happened also in the original) - but her actually being the mole and being arrested without any explanation? It seems too sudden, was lazy writing and should have happened over a longer story arc. Also, all that touchy-feely-stuff alongside two exes plus Murdoc and the plot twist in the end was too much for a single episode.

It seems like they still don't know where they want to go - it's not just an action show, but a little action with many drama and a little comedy alongside a OMG-Moment occasionally thrown in. I think that's not necessary since they seem to do mostly "single-story-episodes" like the original did. So why not make one episode mostly action, another mostly drama, another mostly comedic?

Also, they're still not writing enough scenes for Lucas to shine in. As I said before, I think George Eads is a great actor, but why is he the one doing all the emotional work and the confrontational scenes? He's not the titular character after all and I know Lucas could do it just as easily. I watched "Bravetown" recently (an indie movie filmed in 2013, but released in 2015) and was quite surprised what he can do if given the right material. He actually made me cry in a scene (and I don't cry easily while watching TV).



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Till is very good. An overall better actor than RDA imo. But RDA was more natural and his expressions more varied and appropriate, and this somehow helped to create a special warmth and magic in that series. A knock against Till is that, to me, he comes across as being a bit too flippant-aloof to be a 'Mac'.



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For me, i just dont feel it. Whenever i watch the show i just sit there with a blank expression and i feel the same throughout. Yes i noticed the punch and actually mentioned it to everyone while we were watching that RDA used to do the same thing.

The twist for me was meh. I guess not being too inspired by the reboot leaves little space to be excited. She could have been killed off and it would have meant nothing to me.

Thats the thing i guess. Had Peter Thornton been in that situation i would have been surprise.gif

But the new? headbutt.gif

Have i mentioned how much i hat George Eads? biggrin.gif (Like a thousand times)



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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 12 January 2017 - 01:16 PM)
Till is very good. An overall better actor than RDA imo. But RDA was more natural and his expressions more varied and appropriate, and this somehow helped to create a special warmth and magic in that series.

RDA started out pretty bad in season 1, but I think over time, he got better than Till currently is. Or maybe his acting ability was eventually the same as Till's, but RDA had more charisma/personality, which ultimately made him more enjoyable to watch.

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A knock against Till is that, to me, he comes across as being a bit too flippant-aloof to be a 'Mac'.

Yeah, I agree. RDA's Mac was passionate about things (helping people, the environment, fighting against bigotry and guns, etc), and we never see any passion from Till's Mac. I'm not sure, though, if that's really Till's fault, or the writers' fault.



 
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Wow, so I was right about Patricia Thornton when I predicted that plot twist several episodes ago! (it's rare for me to be right about things, so yes, I'm enjoying the moment. haha.)


I didn't watch; is she the mole?

Go watch it and find out. wink.gif

I haven't watched it yet either... gonna have to wait until tomorrow now. sad.gif

Sounds like it's a good'n though.

Haha! I watched it a few days ago...



 
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 12 January 2017 - 07:14 PM)
Yeah, I agree. RDA's Mac was passionate about things (helping people, the environment, fighting against bigotry and guns, etc), and we never see any passion from Till's Mac. I'm not sure, though, if that's really Till's fault, or the writers' fault.

In my opinion, it's the producer's fault. They created "Team MacGyver" and demand scripts that make us get to know and - more important - get to LIKE all the other members. That means revealing backstories and writing team-bonding story arcs. This takes screentime over many episodes .- screentime that can't be used for MacGyverisms and MacGyver-centered scenes.

And that's the reason why the show isn't "balanced" (not sure what the right English word is for what I want to say); especially because the subplots don't lead anywhere.

They established this whole backstory about Bozer making films. They even filmed a quite expensive scene with lots of Extras and a real Tank for the Pilot Episode. The scene got dropped, but they continued to use this plot to get us to know Bozer and to "sell" us his character and how they want us to see him (ambitious, creative, funny).

They made us watch all these scenes between Bozer and Riley. He got the full telephone number by Episode 11 and now? Nothing. Are they dating now? Did he lose interest; now the "chase" for her digits is done? There's no tension between them so it seems like it never happened. They could have used it for another story-arc or at least to give us conclusion (e.g. Riley being interested in Bozer but not wanting to date him because they're working together now and it would complicate everything). Or for accentuating the MacGyver-Bozer-Relationship (e.g. Mac comforting him because Riley turned Bozer down). Whatever. They just dropped it and might take it up in the least convenient situation for some more emotional drama during an action scene (probably a chase or a shootout; they love to do that doh.gif ).

There was bonding between Jack and "Patty", between Bozer and Riley, Bozer and MacGyver, MacGyver and Riley, Jack and Sarah, Jack and Diane... but no real bonding between Nikki and MacGyver. The only time they're bonding is when they're... "occupied" blush.gif . Did they ever do anything else in these two years besides visiting a wine cellar, working and having naked shenanigans??? Why should we like her? Why should we believe she's one of the good guys now?

There are too many players in here. Players that are being thrown in without real purpose for scenes with no real purpose. Penny Parker, anyone? (If you're not going to bring her back, you could have left her out of this intervention scene. Or drop the scene entirely.)

I think they should have concentrated on Lucas more or at least on the bromance between "Mac and Jack" as they promoted it before the pilot premiere.

Because they're already bringing in new recurring cast members that we'll have to get to know and get to like for the residual episodes. We'll have scenes between "New Boss" and Jack, "New Boss" and MacGyver, "New Boss" and XY... you get the drift. There will be new agents and I'm pretty sure Murdoc, Sarah, Nikki and probably Thornton will come back as well. It's too much.

Dear showmakers: You hired Lucas for a reason. He's the main character. The show is named after his character. He's talented. Just start using him already. (Rant Over. And Sorry for ranting.)



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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 13 January 2017 - 01:27 AM)
In my opinion, it's the producer's fault. They created "Team MacGyver" and demand scripts that make us get to know and - more important - get to LIKE all the other members. That means revealing backstories and writing team-bonding story arcs. This takes screentime over many episodes .- screentime that can't be used for MacGyverisms and MacGyver-centered scenes.
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There are too many players in here. Players that are being thrown in without real purpose for scenes with no real purpose. Penny Parker, anyone? (If you're not going to bring her back, you could have left her out of this intervention scene. Or drop the scene entirely.)

I think they should have concentrated on Lucas more or at least on the bromance between "Mac and Jack" as they promoted it before the pilot premiere.
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Dear showmakers: You hired Lucas for a reason. He's the main character. The show is named after his character. He's talented. Just start using him already. (Rant Over. And Sorry for ranting.)

I agree 100%. So far I'm really liking Lucas Till and the plots where pretty good. What I'm not liking is exactly what you're saying, too many people thrown into the mission while the original Mac worked primarily alone.
In my opinion they should start thinning the herd and killing Bozer seems a good start, after all the original Mac lost a friend pretty much every time it was introduced (or it got mentioned exactly because it died). It would be a perfect excuse to have a major character development and an excuse for Mac to refuse to have people around so much to not put them in danger thus enabling a shift in the episode formula.

Anyway, the mole reveal wasn't a surprise at all even if I liked the episode overall.



 
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I watched this episode today.
The twist about Patricia Thornton, at half season, is nonsense for me.
Why to create a (great) character like that and get it off in this way?
The female version of Thornton was my favorite character of this reboot so why don't put her in action next to Mac?

This tv show is funny and has a lot of action scenes, but it's not Mac Gyver.




 
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That's 9/8 Central Time right? Isn't Ruler playing that night too? So it's one right after the other? hmm.bmp

oh, sorry Dragondog. looks like I missed your post earlier blush.gif

Yes, initially there were two episodes scheduled (1x17, then 1x12 instead of H50). But when I checked again yesterday morning, they had scheduled "48 hours" instead of 1x17.

Not sure why they decided to give it the usual MacGyver slot at 8pm ET/PT (since they never had planned to air an episode of H50 anyway).



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QUOTE (Dragondog @ 15 December 2017 - 01:22 AM)
That's 9/8 Central Time right? Isn't Ruler playing that night too? So it's one right after the other? hmm.bmp

oh, sorry Dragondog. looks like I missed your post earlier blush.gif

Yes, initially there were two episodes scheduled (1x17, then 1x12 instead of H50). But when I checked again yesterday morning, they had scheduled "48 hours" instead of 1x17.

Not sure why they decided to give it the usual MacGyver slot at 8pm ET/PT (since they never had planned to air an episode of H50 anyway).

No problem, Dash.

It would have been nice if they had aired them both last night. Maybe they'll air "Ruler" again some other time?



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I feel like quoting the first two lines of my review of Corkscrew here. I'm not sure if I should bother.

OK, Bozer has finally got Riley's phone number but it hasn't been acknowledged whether or not they're in a relationship. So? Is that necessary after only 1 episode? Maybe that's meant for later? Lots of the critique here is aimed at stuff that couldn't have been possibily known at the time. Might be a little late to say that since I'm only catching up but give it a little time to develop.

The episode itself was exciting even though the hint from Corkscrew was pretty obvious. And actually I kinda liked Patricia despite her coldness. Just imagine if Pete was a traitor. In the original this would've only worked if it was a set-up and MacGyver was in on it the whole time. But Pete making a 180 turn and actually turning his back on Mac... *whistle* it would've been outrageous.

It was also great to see Murdoc again, even though it was briefly. I get the idea David Mastalchian is really trying to do his best with it and to have fun in playing the role. And of course Nikki as well. They sure can twist it around. Instead of making her simply a traitor, keep her switching sides. Nice touch.

Did you also notice that this MacGyver's birthday is also March 23 as he pushed on Nikki's cellphone: 0323? 03/23? And since MacGyver earlier stated that the KGB was disbanded before he was born would make this MacGyver's birthday March 23 1992.

I for one am very interested how the series will progress from here on.

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Well I know for a fact that Zlotoff has no input to the show, other than the 2 episodes he's written. He's a producer in name only.

Henry Winkler is heavily involved in the editing process, so he's clearly on board and approves of most, if not all, changes going on.




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That is interesting though. Well, times change, yet I would be interested in what Stephen Downing would have to say about these changes. But currently I have no problems with the changes so far.



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QUOTE (MacGyverGod @ 10 October 2018 - 02:36 AM)
I for one am very interested how the series will progress from here on.


Well we're into season 3 now so I can tell you exactly how it progresses if you like.

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If you do, I'll turn into Murdoc. But even as Murdoc, I'm nice. Take your pick. tongue.gif

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Here's the blog post by Rhett Allain - Technical Consultant for the Reboot - about the "MacHacks" used in this episode:
https://rhettallain.com/2019/01/28/macgyver...notes-scissors/

Only 2 MacGyverisms he talks about:
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> Cheese puffs to get past phone lock screen



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