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Airdate: Nov. 18, 2016
Writer: Bret VandenBos and Brandon Willer
Director: Brad Tanenbaum
Guest Cast:Tobias Jelenek (Janis) , Garrett Kruithof (Valdis)
Alicia Coppola (Ambassador Roberts) , Andrew Ayala (Admiral Rodriguez) , Hunter Burke (Phillip)
Philip Fornah (Marine # 3)

In Latvia MacGyver and his team must defend themselves and U.S. embassy workers from extremists who are attempting to retrieve their leader.

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Latvian Terrorists? Oxymoron of the century! biggrin.gif

Lots of time, effort and money spent on the sets in this episode .... you really felt as though you were in Riga!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif Seriously, not a terribly bad episode if you like predominately one set episodes and the Jack, Riley, Mac banter ... but I'd have to give it a 'B' for boring rating. blink.gif

Riley is officially annoying and now I know what/why it is - those precautious little smirks and facial expressions that are a lot more commensurate with teenage girls on a Friday night out at the mall than they are with special ops in a life threatening ordeal. I know, I know, all apart of drawing in the target marker audiences ... but really all a bit hard to swallow.

Loved the 'on the fly' ballistics calculations, the makeshift iPhone drone was cool too, but the video appeared to be bad/inappropriate stock photo. Also liked the lit aerosol macgyverism voiceover disclaimer re: don't try this at home thing. Best to be proactive in the legal depo. biggrin.gif Don't know where the heck we're goin with this Bozer thing ..... surprise.gif

Hope next week (actually I think there is a 2-3 week break) they'll invest some extra time/money into some of the more breathtaking settings that MacGyver was better known for.

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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 19 November 2016 - 02:14 PM)
Hope next week (actually I think there is a 2-3 week break) they'll invest some extra time/money into some of the more breathtaking settings that MacGyver was better known for.

Oddly enough, I actually thought the setting of this episode seemed on par with a typical "original" MacGyver episode, but I guess it depends which original episodes we're thinking about. To me, the setting of this episode was on par with an episode like "Birthday" or "Nightmares," or any of the many other episodes that primarily took place in a small, non-descript location. But obviously, it doesn't compare favorably to more picturesque episodes like "Serenity" or "Cease Fire."

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Riley is officially annoying and now I know what/why it is - those precautious little smirks and facial expressions that are a lot more commensurate with teenage girls on a Friday night out at the mall than they are with special ops in a life threatening ordeal.

Yeah, that's really starting to bug me, too. She really didn't contribute much to this episode anyway, so I would have preferred if she had just stayed at the Phoenix Foundation.

I liked the fact that Mac was able to take down Janis by himself at the beginning of the episode, without needing to rely on Jack. That was a very typical MacGyver-style takedown, I have to say.

Overall, this was a fun episode, and I thought the action scenes and tension at the embassy was good. But I'm still just not feeling Bozer. I appreciate that at least now he's more integrated into the story, but I simply don't think the show needs him. With Riley and Jack there all the time, there are already more than enough people on Team MacGyver.

 
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.... yes, if they'd just rename it 'The M-Team' - I could drop my critique comparison hat and just it enjoy it for what it is (or wasn't)!

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Haven't read the other comments yet.... but.... my one NEGATIVE is....

CAN THEY PLEASE FIND BETTER EPISODE NAMES???? This "Toothpick", "Awl," "Corkscrew" etc.... is just not doing anything for me.

Wasn't my favorite episode,..... BUt on the good side, it was a good example of STEM subjects.

Nice touch, we know that Patricia got shot last episode, so kept the continuity of her arm in a sling.

Oh man, now Bozer is "read in." Not just comedic relief.

the actress that was in the Embassy, I recognize her from somewhere.... can't remember.

LOVED having one MacGyverism not work.... Jack Dalton... "Forgive me for asking, but wasn't it supposed to go BOOM?"

I liked the narrations, it's getting better! The narrations make it more like it's coming from the heart of the original.

Ok, will check other's comments.

 
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So far there's NO facebook commenting on our posts at all and the MacGyverWriters and MacGyverCBS twitter accounts look to have had about 50 posts each all night which is WAY down from the previous weeks which is kinda interesing.



This is the first episode I actually enjoyed and felt like a MacGyver episode.

MacGyver FINALLY was in charge and calling the shots and actually felt like the original MacGyver character.

It was nice to have Thornton back at head office arraigning stuff but mostly out of the way as we often saw Pete in the original doing and Jack and Riley seemed more like they were there when needed and the rest of the time out of the way, which is how it should be IMHO.

My only negatives are the split screen MacGyverisms are really starting to piss me off and the embassy ending seemed really rushed and anticlimactic - like they ran out of time so cut a whole lot out of that part of the episode.

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I think November is SWEEPS month, and this wasn't a good episode for that....

 
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QUOTE (DXS @ 19 November 2016 - 12:33 AM)
Haven't read the other comments yet.... but.... my one NEGATIVE is....

CAN THEY PLEASE FIND BETTER EPISODE NAMES???? This "Toothpick", "Awl," "Corkscrew" etc.... is just not doing anything for me.

Wasn't my favorite episode,..... BUt on the good side, it was a good example of STEM subjects.

Nice touch, we know that Patricia got shot last episode, so kept the continuity of her arm in a sling.

Oh man, now Bozer is "read in." Not just comedic relief.

the actress that was in the Embassy, I recognize her from somewhere.... can't remember.

LOVED having one MacGyverism not work.... Jack Dalton... "Forgive me for asking, but wasn't it supposed to go BOOM?"

I liked the narrations, it's getting better! The narrations make it more like it's coming from the heart of the original.

Ok, will check other's comments.

Episode title formulas get old pretty fast, like Friends and "the one with" titles and The Big Bang Theory and its fake science experiment titles. It's far too limiting.

 
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QUOTE (DXS @ 19 November 2016 - 08:33 PM)
CAN THEY PLEASE FIND BETTER EPISODE NAMES???? This "Toothpick", "Awl," "Corkscrew" etc.... is just not doing anything for me.

I have to agree. When I first heard that they'd be using these titles, I really didn't think it mattered at all, and I couldn't understand why people were upset about it, especially since the titles aren't even shown on screen. But, now I understand the complaints. First of all, it makes it difficult to discuss the episodes because I can never remember what they're called, so instead of referring to a title, I tend to say things like "that one that took place in a jail," or "the one on the train," etc. And second, it just makes the whole thing feel a bit cheap and lazy, like the writers couldn't even be bothered to think of a proper title.

The good news is, they'll run out of tools eventually, and then they'll need to come up with something different (but maybe then they'll just start calling them things like, "Mullet," "Jeep," "Hockey Stick," etc.)


 
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To me these titles feel very MacGruberish. Like they're actually taking the p*** and making a joke of the show.

I also don't like how the descriptions always say "With only a [insert item here] and [insert second item here] MacGyver must ....blah blah blah". It's stupid and completely inaccurate.

Last nights episode description started... "With only a chisel and matchbook..."? He used a lot more than just that - in fact - Did anyone see a chisel?


Despite all of that it's still winning it's time slot.

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I was a huge fan of the show, but now, I am pissed and puzzled, why would the crew of MacGyver create such a terrible misrepresentation of Latvia, which is poor but one of the most peaceful countries in the world, to be released on the day of it's anniversary?!!! I'm a Latvian, still living here, and nothing, that was shown in this episode, could be possible in my country, not a terrorist organisation consisting of Latvians, that would be able to commit 3 terror acts and not being caught (even before the first one), nor shots firing for hours, but no local police, nor army showing up. It's not only absolute BS, it's really insulting. mad.gif

 
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Well ,I guess the ratings are good news for those who like the show. And those who started it ...

Still, I think the male characters ( Mac and Jack ) have no charisma ,no humour (in Europe we need something more subtle you know...).The female characters ? Riley and her cleavage ? Patricia ( too skinny like Mac by the way , why do they all need to be so skinny ) ? Not to mention Bozer coming out of nowhere ...

I don't want to spoil the fun... I do understand 'old' (I hate the word ) fans keep watching it (a few Macgyverisms here and there, Murdoc is back ,great ...) . YET, it isn't MacGyver . And it never will be. sad.gif This show is a fraud.

 
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As long as I stop looking at the reboot as a reboot (I stopped doing that around episode 3 or 4), but as a TV show inspired by MacGyver, I can actually enjoy a few minutes of each episode every now and then.

I've also grown to like George Eads performance. But that guy will always be "Lincoln" to me (the character they created for the unaired pilot), not Jack Dalton. And Patricia Thornton is just some boss for me, because her character was definitely NOT inspired by Pete Thornton (or Dana Elcar). I don't see any similarities in their characters besides the surname and the fact that they are MacGyver's bosses. Did they think MacGyver and Thornton couldn't be friends like in the original because his boss is a woman now? Or because they wanted Jack and Bozer to be his friend and another friend would have been to much?

It's just another TV show for me with its ups and downs. Some things are great, others not so much. I'm thankful that it didn't turn out as bad as I first expected. But it's just a pity that it didn't turn out better because they had such a great resource material to fall back on that they didn't use. It turned out so similar to every other TV show that it isn't anything special anymore. And MacGyver was a extraordinarily special and unique show with a unique hero and very different and varied storylines (despite its ups and downs every now and then)... I can't really explain it.

I don't hate the reboot, but I hate that they didn't take the opportunity to create something more unique out of it. A show called "MacGyver" would have so much more to offer... They have good ideas, but they're never fleshed out to their full potential (e.g. the paper clip art or the episode titles). The episodes have gotten a lot better since the pilot but I doubt that they will turn out so good that I would ever call myself a fan rewatching all episodes every year.

If the show gets renewed for a second season (which I guess it will) I'll probably watch it. It's also interesting to see the filming process and a new TV show coming together. But I won't shed a tear if it gets cancelled.

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Actually, I expect a public apology.

 
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QUOTE (RitaLV @ 20 November 2016 - 10:24 AM)
Actually, I expect a public apology.

Yes, read my post above. It was about as far 'off the map' as you could go. hmm.bmp How was the authenticity of a Latvian Setting, btw? Did you get a feel that you were in your homeland (albeit being scripted in a foreign embassy)?

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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 20 November 2016 - 06:31 AM)
QUOTE (RitaLV @ 20 November 2016 - 10:24 AM)
Actually, I expect a public apology.

Yes, read my post above. It was about as far 'off the map' as you could go. hmm.bmp How was the authenticity of a Latvian Setting, btw? Did you get a feel that you were in your homeland (albeit being scripted in a foreign embassy)?

More or less, but the location of the embassy was absolutely wrong, because it is in the middle of our capital Riga.

 
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QUOTE (tvero @ 20 November 2016 - 04:15 AM)
( too skinny like Mac by the way , why do they all need to be so skinny ) ?

Mac should wear a real bomber jacket with billowy dress shirt and jeans would be a regular fit, not a slim fit. That trick would make new Mac to look like a muscle man thumbup.gif

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It was a little busy on the weekend for me so i have yet ti watch this episode but intend to see it tonight.

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Okay, so i finally saw the episode last night and just when i thought there would be some kind of possibility to liking it, it gets gunned down by his annoying lackeys.

Its almost as if each time MacGyver is about to do something nice, there's Jack Dalton to screw up the mood. Like the scene where Mac is listening in on the Ambassador's phone conversation with her daughter. It was a great moment, then Jack Freaking Dalton has to step in and talk about himself.

Even when the very person they were trying to protect offers his assistance, Dalton just tells him to lay off. And MacGyver is trying to see the best in his offer. ITS SO ANNOYING

All the voice overs are about when Mac & Bozer were kids. Really? And Bozer didn't notice anything then? Sigh...

And now as if we didn't have enough of Bozer, he is joining the CIA...I mean Phoenix Foundation.

I just cann'ot like it Cap'an! 2 stars from me.

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QUOTE (tvero @ 20 November 2016 - 04:15 AM)
Well ,I guess the ratings are good news for those who like the show. And those who started it ...

Still, I think the male characters ( Mac and Jack ) have no charisma ,no humour (in Europe we need something more subtle you know...).The female characters ? Riley and her cleavage ? Patricia ( too skinny like Mac by the way , why do they all need to be so skinny ) ? Not to mention Bozer coming out of nowhere ...

I don't want to spoil the fun... I do understand 'old' (I hate the word ) fans keep watching it (a few Macgyverisms here and there, Murdoc is back ,great ...) . YET, it isn't MacGyver . And it never will be. sad.gif This show is a fraud.

I agree with you. I stopped watching it, just wanted to see what the opinions were of this episode. I have a real problem with Eads playing Jack. I don't like his acting, and he's not even close to the real Jack. When does he grow a mustache and learn to fly???

The relationship between the new Mac and Jack seems weird because Eads is so much older than Till. Mac and Jack are supposed to be around the same age because they were childhood friends. I don't remember exactly if they were the same age, but if they weren't then Jack was probably only a couple years older. In the reboot, Jack feels like he could be Mac's dad or creepy uncle. That's why their relationship just doesn't gel, to me at least.

And I also can't stand that Riley is either being really annoying or just bending over so we can see down her top.

 
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QUOTE (Riddick @ 22 November 2016 - 04:11 PM)
When does he grow a mustache and learn to fly???

He was flying the helicopter in the pilot episode and he had a mustache in an ID photo used in one of the episodes if I remember correctly.


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QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 22 November 2016 - 01:01 AM)
QUOTE (Riddick @ 22 November 2016 - 04:11 PM)
When does he grow a mustache and learn to fly???

He was flying the helicopter in the pilot episode and he had a mustache in an ID photo used in one of the episodes if I remember correctly.

Oh really, they did that ONE time?!? Lame.

 
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Posted: 22 November 2016 - 06:19 AM                                    
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I liked this one... I thought it was pretty good actually. Still found it a bit... erm... cluttered. I really do think MacGyver needs to do things on his own though... it's very bogged down with Jack and Riley. I think the audience will connect better with him because we're seeing what he sees and get his reaction.

Sorry, but Jack and Riley, along with Bozer need to take a back seat on this show. Let MacGyver shine for Pete's sake.

But, I give it an A for effort...

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QUOTE (denizen @ 22 November 2016 - 04:07 PM)
All the voice overs are about when Mac & Bozer were kids. Really? And Bozer didn't notice anything then? Sigh...

Well, I doubt Mac was working for the Phoenix Foundation (or DXS) when they were kids.


 
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No of course not but if you grow up with someone, and they do all these creative things which he keeps on mentioning, at one point Mac must have come into contact with someone of priority which steered him into the direction of the DXS. Surely Bozer must have seen or noticed a sign of some sort. Especially the way they describe their relationship. At least in this version of the show. But contrary to this, he is oblivious to it. And it doesn't feel real.

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The thing that's really annoying the crap out of me with this Wilt Bozer situation is how and why he's taking it personally.

Surely he's got enough sense to realize that MacGyver's job is at a top secret level and therefore he can't disclose it to people. I mean the guys a secret agent... SECRET... get it Bozer... S E C R E T... look it up if you don't know what it means! blowup.gif






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QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 23 November 2016 - 10:46 PM)
The thing that's really annoying the crap out of me with this Wilt Bozer situation is how and why he's taking it personally.

Surely he's got enough sense to realize that MacGyver's job is at a top secret level and therefore he can't disclose it to people. I mean the guys a secret agent... SECRET... get it Bozer... S E C R E T... look it up if you don't know what it means! blowup.gif

That whole aspect of the show is just really pointless, and I'm not sure why they included it.

First of all, they gave Mac a roommate because he needed a cover, but why does he need a cover? If he needs to be so secretive, wouldn't it make more sense to just have him live alone? (and that would be more true to the spirit of the original, anyway.)
And why does it need to be so secretive? The original Phoenix Foundation wasn't a top-secret organization, and I'm not saying that this show needs to mimic the original on every level, but if they're going to change something, there ought to be a REASON for changing it. So far, I don't really see any reason for making the Phoenix Foundation so secretive. It hasn't added anything to the story, other than the tension with Bozer.

And yes, as you said, why is Bozer so offended by this? I could definitely understand being surprised, but offended? It makes no sense, unless Bozer is supposed to be a developmentally challenged man with the mentality of a five-year old. But if that's the case, why would the Phoenix Foundation hire him?

I sometimes wonder if this show should have delayed. I know they had to scramble to quickly change the premise after the original pilot was rejected, so maybe the writers simply didn't have time to think things through. Maybe if the show had been delayed until Spring 2017, they would have come up with something better.






 
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 23 November 2016 - 04:31 PM)
I sometimes wonder if this show should have delayed. I know they had to scramble to quickly change the premise after the original pilot was rejected, so maybe the writers simply didn't have time to think things through. Maybe if the show had been delayed until Spring 2017, they would have come up with something better.

I've said that after the pilot (because it felt so rushed) and I think it still holds true.

They didn't just have to write a new script, scout new locations, hire a new crew, find a new team and build new sets - they also had to adapt the scripts and the script and character ideas they already had mapped out.

Sometimes I wonder if parts of the episodes are based on the unaired pilot... it just feels as if 10 people provided some puzzle elements that don't fit together in the end.

I understand Bozer being angry at first (I'm your best friend and you didn't tell me?), but I think that feeling would have disappeared pretty fast or changed into something else (e.g. worry about Mac being on missions, being angry at himself for not noticing it sooner). It also didn't make sense at all that Bozer was still angry at Mac in Episode 9 - didn't they kinda "make up" already in Episode 8? If Bozer is still angry, he should be angry at Phoenix for holding him prisoner and interrogating him, not at MacGyver for not telling him blink.gif

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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 24 November 2016 - 05:57 AM)
I've said that after the pilot (because it felt so rushed) and I think it still holds true.

They didn't just have to write a new script, scout new locations, hire a new crew, find a new team and build new sets - they also had to adapt the scripts and the script and character ideas they already had mapped out.

Sometimes I wonder if parts of the episodes are based on the unaired pilot... it just feels as if 10 people provided some puzzle elements that don't fit together in the end.

That's why I'm clinging to hope that the show MIGHT get better later in the season. Usually shows take a mid-season break. Maybe that will give everyone on the staff time to regroup, figure things out a bit better, and then come back with stronger series. I'm a bit encouraged by the fact that the more recent episodes have been better than the first few episodes. I also try to remind myself that the original series took a while to find itself, and if we were to judge the original series just on its first 9 episodes, we'd have a very different impression of it than we do when judging it on all seven seasons.


 
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The first season of MacGyver, especially the first 8 episodes, to me, were like James Bond type episodes. Way cooler than the new show.

 
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