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QUOTE (Miasma @ 27 September 2016 - 02:58 AM)
One interesting thing I noticed about Jack Dalton when I rewatched the episode: Despite the fact that George Eads is nothing like Bruce McGill, I could actually picture Bruce McGill's Jack saying many of George Eads' lines, and doing many of the things that George's Jack did, but with a different "flavor" to it all, if that makes any sense. For example, "You go kaboom, I go kaboom!" is a line I could definitely hear Bruce's Jack saying. I was kind of pleased to notice that with many of Jack's lines throughout the episode.

Yes - this is what I felt too. I think it may even be why I felt he stole the show. When I heard he was going to be Jack I hated the idea, but he made a better Jack than Lucas did MacGyver. I just don't hear the lines Lucas uses coming out of RDA's mouth, but as you say, some of George's lines and delivery were spot on as Jack. He needs to say Kemo sabe now and the transformation is complete hehehehe ohmy.gif roller.gif



 
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I'm hoping that the pilot is like most pilots which suffer from trying to introduce everyone and show a little bit of everything in the first episode. That always makes pilots some of the weakest entries in the series. If so, I would like to see the show go back to the formula that the original series had. The original episodes varied in type. One week it would be some serious spy type stuff, the next Mac would be saving eagles, the next he would be back to a rescue/spy mission, the next he would be working with troubled youth, the next he would be pulling Jack's or Penny's rear end out of a crack. They would range from serious to comical in tone and it kept the character and show fresh and made Mac into a realistic person.

The original show was also aspirational. Mac was not super human. His hand hurt when he punched someone. He wasn't smug about his abilities either. People could want to grow up and be like him. If a character is bigger than life they may be fun to watch, but it's not likely that kids will think they can ever be like that when they grow up.

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QUOTE (MacsJeep @ 27 September 2016 - 06:13 AM)
He needs to say Kemo sabe now and the transformation is complete hehehehe ohmy.gif roller.gif

Haha... yes, "Kemo sabe" and, of course, "Eg-ZACT-ly!"


I had to laugh when he said, "Do I LOOK like I sell bathroom tile?" because, um, yes, George Eads definitely looks like the sort of guy who sells bathroom tile!



 
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I expect the ratings to drop quite a bit next week, considering how much negative reaction the show has gotten. But since Hawaii 5-0 is popular, MacGyver might retain at least a decent number of viewers, as people may decide to turn on early and watch both shows.

Rottentomatoes has MacGyver at only 21% "fresh." Ouch.



 
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QUOTE (tvero @ 25 September 2016 - 09:08 AM)
=Tvero I don't know why I appeared as a guest but it was me who sent the previous post .There's something wrong in the kingdom of MacGyver Online...

I had the same issue. I swore I was logged in, but came out as "guest" in one post.



 
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QUOTE (DXS @ 27 September 2016 - 09:03 PM)
QUOTE (tvero @ 25 September 2016 - 09:08 AM)
=Tvero I don't know why I appeared as a guest but it was me who sent the previous post .There's something wrong in the kingdom of MacGyver Online...

I had the same issue. I swore I was logged in, but came out as "guest" in one post.

We had this topic "open" to allow guests to come in and discuss after this episode aired. So it was possible for you to post without needing to log in which may have happened if you followed a link or bookmark from outside the site.

In any case the topic has been set back to member's only so there wont be any further issues.


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Thanks .There's still a little problem because even if I log in I'm refused access when I click on episode discussions straight away ...
Anyway, I'm back with my username (I hope ?) . smile.gif



 
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At that stage , I don't know what to think . I admit I liked the 'new' Hawaii 5-0 probably because many (most, I included ? ) people don't remember what it was like exactly .It's much easier to start from (almost) scratch.
BUT MacGyver is pretty much alive all over the world thanks to reruns.
They should have kept the 'state of mind' as you put it in one of your threads .But they didn't ...Shame.



 
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If nothing else, at least the reboot got MacGyver trending... for once. Whether it's good or bad, it's got people talking about it... and we can clearly see that the original holds a very special place in the hearts of many.

Even if the reboot is a flop (which we'll find out in the next few weeks, I'm sure), maybe CBS will see the potential in giving us an HD remaster of the original... *hint hint*

I know, I know... it's a long shot, but a girl can dream, right?

My feelings remain the same. Not overly impressed, but not super disappointed like I was with the Knight Rider reboot.

I will admit, I've watched like ten episodes of the original in the past three days. lol



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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 28 September 2016 - 12:48 AM)
I will admit, I've watched like ten episodes of the original in the past three days. lol

Same here.



 
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Sunday Ratings by http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2016/09/2...s-sept-25-2016/

Not bad, I guess? (As I said before, no clue about ratings.)



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Ha ha ha! I knew it! So far,everybody I talked to about it, hates it so far. Come on, its like watching all the other generic shows put together in one;so unoriginal, and way off from what you expect from our dear humble,down to earth MacGyver to act, which this new hipster boy is not.



 
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Lucas Till isn't to blame... he's just playing a role that he was given. If you're going to blame someone, blame the writers and James Wan.

Also, not everyone disliked it. It wasn't horrible... just not what we were hoping for. We could have gotten a LOT worse.



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Mixed feelings here....although I see some potential in it for sure.


from sort things I don't like in this reboot one bothers me the most: James Wan during Comic-con said something like: "Do You remember RDA, when he was like "ouch" after he has hit someone? Well We stay with that" well...I don't see it at all.
Don't get me wrong it's good that Mac can fight but it would be great if he was a little bit cluncky in it, like in original, don't You think?

Anyway, definitely I'm waiting to find what happened in Cairo! wink.gif



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QUOTE (tvero @ 27 September 2016 - 04:56 AM)
QUOTE (Jediferret @ 28 September 2016 - 12:48 AM)
I will admit, I've watched like ten episodes of the original in the past three days. lol

Same here.

I watched the episode what I first time saw from the whole series, and after that I'm gonna then watch the reboot, if they ever gonna show it in here Finland.



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QUOTE (MacDobromir @ 27 September 2016 - 11:41 AM)
Mixed feelings here....although I see some potential in it for sure.


from sort things I don't like in this reboot one bothers me the most: James Wan during Comic-con said something like: "Do You remember RDA, when he was like "ouch" after he has hit someone? Well We stay with that" well...I don't see it at all.
Don't get me wrong it's good that Mac can fight but it would be great if he was a little bit cluncky in it, like in original, don't You think?

Anyway, definitely I'm waiting to find what happened in Cairo! wink.gif

That was the point I was trying to make. RDA portrayed a real guy. He was tough, but hardly a bruiser along the lines of Mike Hammer, or Thomas Magnum. He WOULD fight, but he could be beat and he'd rather use his brains to beat the bad guys.



 
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after reading more comments seems like ppl watched it just for being a premiere, they have a rate of 4.7 on imdb which seems to be reliable. Anyway I wasn't convinced, just wondering how they will deal with hockey topic, not sure but I saw a surf table that I think I never seen in the original series, just thinking but that sport was big part of Mac's life!



 
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The hockey angle was huge (in Canada) ..... and yet mostly pushed/sold by RDA who could talk the talk and skate the skate. I don't expect to see any of it in this series though. If they really wanted it to remain in the backdrop, they would not have hired an actor from Fort Hood, TX .... who almost assuredly cannot ice skate to save his life. doh.gif



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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 28 September 2016 - 11:03 AM)
The hockey angle was huge (in Canada) ..... and yet mostly pushed/sold by RDA who could talk the talk and skate the skate. I don't expect to see any of it in this series though. If they really wanted it to remain in the backdrop, they would not have hired an actor from Fort Hood, TX .... who almost assuredly cannot ice skate to save his life. doh.gif

If it means we won't get another lame episode like "Thin Ice," I have no problem at all with Lucas not being a skater! laugh.gif




 
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They did a fantastic screenplay job with the Thin Ice script that they were handed .... the problem was that the ice was not the only thing that was thin, the script was also 'thin' ... paper thin. But the hockey backdrop theme really worked well in the original series and added an extra je ne sais quoi to Mac's rather mercurial character. It was a small but steady aspect, but all these small things that the original producers of the series built in - all added up - and are going to be hard to match in this new version.



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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 28 September 2016 - 12:37 PM)
It was a small but steady aspect, but all these small things that the original producers of the series built in - all added up - and are going to be hard to match in this new version.

I think most modern shows have character details that add up over time and flesh out the characters, so I'd be surprised if the Mac reboot doesn't have it. It might not be ice skating, but there will be other things, assuming the show lasts beyond just a few episodes.

I think one problem I'm seeing with people's reaction to the reboot is that they're comparing one episode of it to seven seasons of the original. I'm not saying YOU'RE doing this, but I've seen it on other sites, where people were saying things like, "Yeah, but what about his environmental causes?" or "Is it all going to be about trying to stop terrorists?? What about episodes like the Human Factor?!", etc, etc. And I'm thinking, "Sheesh... give the writers a chance! They can't cram EVERYTHING into the first episode!" laugh.gif



 
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The original MacGyver scripts were all over the map (especially as the seasons went on) and, as a result, we got to see several different sides of his character, hobbies, and interests built into the episodes. I highly doubt whether the new series will have the reins loosened enough to 'tinker' /experiment as much with animals, the environment, street kids etc. But those episodes are really where his character started to develop and endear. This one will probably dwell/major on hardcore villians, sex, relationships, the predictable stuff, at least early on, otherwise it's going to the scrapheap early & in this day and age.



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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 27 September 2016 - 04:48 AM)
I will admit, I've watched like ten episodes of the original in the past three days. lol

I haven't actually 'watched' an episode, cos all my DVDs are in storage until I move into a more permanent place next year. But I have talked about a few episodes based on memory on another forum, where the show came up.

I do feel that for some episodes, (especially those tech related), like Ugly Duckling. it is better to watch it with some 'beer glasses', cos those huge floppy discs and the modems that require one to put a phone receive ON TO the device before dialling, those don't age well. biggrin.gif



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First of all, to get it out of the way I'm not a RDA freak or a MacGyver purist in any way, just a big fan of the character because it was a great role model for me growing up in the 90's.

When I was about to watch this new pilot, I was willing to give it a shot, and wasn't expecting the same MacGyver from the 80's for sure.

But after watching this, I'm really disappointed with the finished product, for me it was a big letdown. It doesn't even feel like a 21st century MacGyver, during the entire episode it felt like I was seeing a cross between Mission Impossible and CSI. I'm sorry but Angus MacGyver always was a lone wolf type of character, of course sometimes he had help in may episodes, but in the end Mac works alone.

Jack Dalton working for DXS? wait, what? Eads is likeable, but the age difference shows, and it doesn't work for me. I have nothing against Lucas Till, but he's way to young for the role. MacGyver should be older in the series.

Every scene had music in the background, that was annoying after a while. the dialogue had many cringworthy moments, they should definitely get better script writers.


I don't know if I'm going to follow this series, if they don't change many aspects of it.


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I'm looking forward to this week's more, because we know they kinda had to hurry with the pilot after the original version was scrapped. They've had a bit more time with episode two, so I'm hoping its not feeling quite so rushed and I can take it in more.



 
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QUOTE (Danjo1 @ 27 September 2016 - 12:02 PM)
QUOTE (MacDobromir @ 27 September 2016 - 11:41 AM)
Mixed feelings here....although I see some potential in it for sure.


from sort things I don't like in this reboot one bothers me the most: James Wan during Comic-con said something like: "Do You remember RDA, when he was like "ouch" after he has hit someone? Well We stay with that" well...I don't see it at all.
Don't get me wrong it's good that Mac can fight but it would be great if he was a little bit cluncky in it, like in original, don't You think?

Anyway, definitely I'm waiting to find what happened in Cairo!    wink.gif

That was the point I was trying to make. RDA portrayed a real guy. He was tough, but hardly a bruiser along the lines of Mike Hammer, or Thomas Magnum. He WOULD fight, but he could be beat and he'd rather use his brains to beat the bad guys.


Yes Danjo1 It is very important to have this part from the original. If they'll put this aside from Mac character then it will be hard to consider this "new" Mac as ANOTHER KIND OF HERO as Peter Lenkov team promoted it in the first place.



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The more I think about this episode the more I don't like it.

There's too many things wrong with it. It reminds me a lot of the Knight Rider reboot a few years back and like that reboot, I hope the team making it are taking notice of the fans comments and working to fix.

One thing I will say about Knight Rider is that the producers really listened to what the fans were saying and by the end of the season I think that had a formula which could have been really good if it was allowed to continue and from that I hope Lenkov and his team are doing the same and hopefully by the end of the first season things will be on track to something which resembles MacGyver instead of whatever the hell this mess is at the moment.




 
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Unfortunately not all shows are given a second chance. By the time they decide to put things back into perspective, the show is already cancelled.

There are many shows out there and audiences as well as networks are brutal. If they dont like it, it dies.



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I kinda went into the pilot with the idea that it wasn't going to be totally the same as the original... and that it was probably gonna be a hard pill to swallow.

It's been one HELL of a pill too... =P

I want to give these folks a chance to understand that the "heart" of MacGyver isn't Mac and Jack's bantering and the occasional, "I thought you were a good person" line.

MacGyver was about doing what was right, seeing the good in others, and bringing out the potential in others.

This show, so far, isn't doing that... and is, so far, just another action show.

But, at least it's amusing. I'll probably give it a few more episodes, and if it doesn't turn around, I'll just tune out.

No sense wasting my energy on something that I don't like, and causing all kinds of negativity in my life... right?

And sure, I get Knight Rider... I didn't care for the reboot either. In fact, I didn't make it through the pilot before tuning out.



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