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Posted: 13 November 2016 - 08:15 PM                                    
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QUOTE (Riddick @ 14 November 2016 - 03:13 PM)
This remake just lacks in all departments:

- The theme song is lame and boring (just like the writing).
- The story lines are bland, dumbed down versions of the original. I hate how they changed plot lines, character backgrounds, and the history all for the worse instead of better.
- The production value sucks.
- It has no originality as the format is exactly like every police procedural show on tv.
- The acting sucks.
- Jack doesn't fly, he's annoying, and acts like he either wants to shoot or have sex with anything he sees (maybe both).
- Mac clearly isn't best friends with Patricia Thorton (even though in the original Pete was his best friend).
- Bozer is annoying.
- Riley is annoying.
- This version of Mac just doesn't seem as sharp and needs to be rescued every week.
- Lucas Till is alright as Mac, but he still just doesn't have that friendly look about him like RDA had. I don't know how to describe it. But I could deal with him continuing to play Mac if they got rid of the team, and changed the story lines back to the original series lines.

So good luck, I'm out.

I agree with a lot of your points, but here's just a few additional thoughts:


Regarding Jack: I think it was a mistake to call him Jack Dalton, since he was obviously written to be a completely different character. George Eads' character was originally named Lincoln, and I think if they had kept him with that name, it would have worked better since we would have just accepted him for who he is, rather than constantly comparing him to another character. But even then, I think he would work better as a recurring guest star, not as a main character. Let's face it, as entertaining as the original Jack Dalton was, it would have been annoying if he had been on the show ALL THE TIME. He worked well as a character who appeared once in while. I think the same thing applies to New Jack. He could be fun as a character who pops up a few times per season, but we don't need him there in every episode (and practically every scene.)

Regarding the acting: Overall, I think the acting in this is at least as good as the original series, but that's not saying much since the acting in the original series was abysmal at times. RDA was good, but the guest stars were often cringe-worthy. Even so, the standard of television acting has gone up a LOT since the 1980s, so this show needs to have drastically better acting than the original, and it doesn't.

Regarding Patricia: You're right about her not being friendly with Mac, but now I'm suspecting that there may be a reason for that (looks like she might turn out to be a villain.) If they can do something interesting with that, fine. But if she's not a villain, and is simply just a cold, unfriendly person, then that sucks.

Regarding changing the storylines back to the original series' lines: I don't mind if they deviate from the original, and frankly, I don't really want this new show to be an exact retelling of the original series. But the trick is that if they're going to alter the storylines and backstories, it should be to improve upon what's come before. So far, I think it's a bit too early to tell if the altered storylines are improvements or not, since we'll need to see how they play out. To be positive for a moment, I will say that it seems they made Nikki a more interesting character than she was before. In the original series, she started out with potential, but then basically just became another "damsel in distress," who really didn't seem convincing as a field agent, since she needed Mac to save her all the time. So, I'll give the new show points for coming up with a Nikki that has a potentially more interesting story (though, again, it's a bit too early to say for sure yet.)

Regarding the theme song: Totally agree with you. And not just the theme song, but even the visuals during the opening sequence look really cheap, and kind of like a student project. To be fair to the composer of the new theme song, though, he did come up with a good piece of music, but it got edited too much. I remember it was a longer (and better) piece when we saw the video of them recording it, and I liked it then.



 
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Posted: 13 November 2016 - 08:53 PM                                    
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Miasma, yes you're right about the acting. I do have to agree that Lucas Till is pretty good, especially that episode where he saw the video of his old CO dying and we saw Mac cry. And the woman that plays Patricia is a pretty good actress as well. I just don't like the rest of the cast.

And yes, you're also right about the original series story with Nicki. It did kind of go all over the place. But that is exactly what I meant before about the writers having the opportunity to take things from the original that didn't work so well and making them better. So far I don't think they've done that.

 
                                                                     
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I so wanted to like this episode but sadly it disappointed.

If this show does not live according to the reputation of the previous one, then why is Murdoc's character living in that shadow? Subjectively, the character was not scary. He was just meh.

With so many guns blazing around MacGyver, and whatever his intentions are not to use guns, one has to wonder why he has no issue when it comes to his friends using them. Clearly whether he uses a gun or not makes no difference because Jack will just end up killing someone instead. So his reasoning is illogical. They keep focusing on the fact that Mac needs his lackeys but the whole point of MacGyver is how he did it all on his own with next to nothing.

The shooting scene at Mac's house was a little silly. Jack is supposed to be this trained agent and Murdoc is dodging his bullets. But MacGyver shoots a bottle at Murdoc and blasts him out the window. biggrin.gif Yea....

Is Mac serious about having a relationship or not? Being blase about his female companion was so not his character.

The ending was dull. No dramatic explosion with a "Maaacccggyyvvverrrrr!"

Im not getting the hype and excitement of others. I can see this done SO much better. Sadly, its just not really doing it. 2 stars from me.

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Doesn't sound like I've missed anything since I stopped watching a couple of weeks back.


 
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well seems I couldn't resists this week episode, I stopped watching this series because of the lack of everything... since this time around Murdoc will be showing up I wanted to see how they will handle the charismatic character that I used to remember, sadly It wasn't that good...

In this episode they locked Mac in a room, initially I though interesting, 1 sec later he is able to use the ceiling with plenty of room to move but not he has to shine, he could've escaped from above but had to use the wires why? ( I preffer Macgyver to be simple and realistic sometimes) and Bozer is like he is out of place every-time, in my opinion he hasn't brought anything to the series just like Patrica T, as per Murdoc well at least the actor (David D) did his best in terms of acting, I missed the British accent though and well he was caught too easy and there was no final scream sad.gif

Seems Macgyver as a team is more than just a concept that story wise is unable to develop it owns characters. Just like Walter, I haven't missed anything of the new show, but for those who do enjoy it!

 
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I'm torn on this one. I did like Murdoc and much of the episode seemed like an old school episode from the 80's. However, like most everyone pointed out, he should have had a somewhat supposed devastating demise only for them to discover there are no remains to discover. I'm not sure why you would want to mess with that formula. There is something great about watching Murdoc "die," realizing that you can't kill him, and this guy always finds his way back into Mac's life. That's what made him so terrifying to me growing up. Also, I feel that the soundtrack music took a giant step backwards this episode.

 
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QUOTE (angus20 @ 14 November 2016 - 03:13 AM)
In this episode they locked Mac in a room, initially I though interesting, 1 sec later he is able to use the ceiling with plenty of room to move but not he has to shine, he could've escaped from above but had to use the wires why? ( I preffer Macgyver to be simple and realistic sometimes)

I think it is realistic, cuz its just a light ceiling and if you put to much weight on it, it will just collapse. And you cannot move from one room to another using that kind of ceiling because its used to hide things like power wire and PVC pipes and that kind of stuff. The tiles that are used are also just made out of compressed insulation or some kind of plaster and does are real fragile.

That would sound a lot more reassuring if you weren't holding a human skull.

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Murdoc had sort-of deaths in the episode, just not at the end. He twice pulled a Michael Myers act by falling from a height and then vanishing without a trace, even though he should have been knocked-out or at least too injured to make a quick escape. Still, I would have appreciated something more spectacular at the end.

 
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This was the first time I have seen Murdoc not die and it left me very confused. He used to be a life Wile E. Coyote. Wile E. Coyote falls off the cliff, turns into an accordion on impact, and walks away unharmed. Murdoc falls off the mountain screaming "MACGYVER!" (Can someone tell me how anyone could survive that?) and reappears a few episodes later. I didn't know what to think when they arrested him.

 
                                                                     
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QUOTE (aicarrie1 @ 17 November 2016 - 06:01 PM)
This was the first time I have seen Murdoc not die and it left me very confused. He used to be a life Wile E. Coyote. Wile E. Coyote falls off the cliff, turns into an accordion on impact, and walks away unharmed. Murdoc falls off the mountain screaming "MACGYVER!" (Can someone tell me how anyone could survive that?) and reappears a few episodes later. I didn't know what to think when they arrested him.

I guess they were trying to go for a slightly less cartoon-like approach, which I can understand (even though I always enjoyed the cartoon-like nature of the Murdoc episodes in the past.) As several people have pointed out, he did have a couple of escapes from death in the episode (the fall from the staircase, and the fall from the balconey), so that element of his character still exists, it's just not as over-the-top as it was in the original series.

I think I would have been okay with him getting arrested at the end if Mac had been more directly responsible for it. I ddin't like that Riley and Jack had to do it. Also, I kept waiting for some kind of sinister epilogue implying that Murdoc escaped, but it never happened.

 
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I don't entirely believe that. Hawaii 5-0 have Wo Fat as the infamous villain who "never dies". In some ways, he is much like the original Murdoc.

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QUOTE (Miasma @ 17 November 2016 - 04:13 PM)
I think I would have been okay with him getting arrested at the end if Mac had been more directly responsible for it. I ddin't like that Riley and Jack had to do it. Also, I kept waiting for some kind of sinister epilogue implying that Murdoc escaped, but it never happened.

Maybe they thought because they already did that with Nikki in the pilot, they couldn't show another bad guy escape custody so soon. But even if we don't get to see it, there might be an episode where we get noticed that Murdoc escaped?

I think since they got a full-season order (so they needed new ideas for scripts immediately) and the episode had higher ratings again, that Murdoc might already come back this season - maybe even in a pre-finale? I'm sure Nikki was intended for the season finale, but now that they have 22 episodes instead of 13 that storyline might be drawn out. Unless they film as intended and make a mid-season finale out of it, then it might be a Murdoc story for the finale.

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Hm... did anyone else notice him? via https://twitter.com/AVRicher/status/799451697118609408

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I didn't notice the first time round, but I think I found him about 8 minutes in laugh.gif

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that's kinda hilarious, he was there the whole time laugh.gif



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I liked the whole Episode AND that Murdoc incoming very much biggrin.gif Remembering I nearly freaked out on my sofa!!! Sure the frustrated scream "MACGYVEEEER..." was missing in the end but I was very happy that it meant he was still alive and that he could come back maybe in later episodes laugh.gif And thank god he did!!


 
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QUOTE (MacGyverOnline @ 19 April 2018 - 08:06 AM)
I have to wonder how they came up with this "real name" for Murdoc. hmm.bmp


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Is that a picture from this episode? I can't tell. It's been a long time since I've seen this. blush.gif

I figure I might as well mention, since I'm commenting on this episode anyway, that this was my first taste of Murdoc. At the time this aired, the only original episode I had seen was "The Madonna".

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