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Posted: 5 October 2018 - 03:49 PM                                    
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QUOTE (Dragondog @ 6 October 2018 - 01:42 AM)
A lot of potential viewers were turned off as soon as the words "MacGyver" and "reboot" were used in the same sentence dry.gif

True but when watching the Twitter feed during the pilot (in US, France, Italy AND Germany tongue.gif ), it was always the same few complaints that had people shouting:

> the introduction of Nikki
> Mac tolerating Jack shooting people
> the boat explosion

Minor shouts were the lack of mullet tongue.gif but it wasn't as bad as people complaining new Magnum not having a mustache..

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QUOTE (MacGyverOnline @ 5 October 2018 - 02:02 PM)
I think in light of how delicate and skeptical the fandom was for this reboot I think it was an incredibly stupid idea to  throw a sex scene into the pilot episode anywhere, let alone the opening couple of minutes.

While I think the scene was intended to be a play a sort of play of phrases as a joke, choosing something that is so un-MacGyver and sexists was a bad idea. It focused the scene on to Nikki being a good 'piece of ass' rather than being good with technology and threw a lot of original fans off straight away.

Again... STUPID!!  If you're doing a pilot reboot, play to the fans of the original in the pilot and slowly introduce the new / changed characteristics of the show through the first season. Ease them into it.

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I agree they would have been much smarter to ease the changes in. That said if there is an episode that would show me how great the reboot actually is, I'd happily give it a shot - but the couple episodes I've tried haven't done anything for me yet.

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QUOTE (zoeryan @ 6 October 2018 - 09:48 PM)
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I think in light of how delicate and skeptical the fandom was for this reboot I think it was an incredibly stupid idea to  throw a sex scene into the pilot episode anywhere, let alone the opening couple of minutes.

While I think the scene was intended to be a play a sort of play of phrases as a joke, choosing something that is so un-MacGyver and sexists was a bad idea. It focused the scene on to Nikki being a good 'piece of ass' rather than being good with technology and threw a lot of original fans off straight away.

Again... STUPID!!  If you're doing a pilot reboot, play to the fans of the original in the pilot and slowly introduce the new / changed characteristics of the show through the first season. Ease them into it.

100%

I agree they would have been much smarter to ease the changes in. That said if there is an episode that would show me how great the reboot actually is, I'd happily give it a shot - but the couple episodes I've tried haven't done anything for me yet.

Maybe War Room + Ship? If you still want suggestions. Really, I think it's a matter of personal taste.

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QUOTE (zoeryan @ 7 October 2018 - 03:48 PM)
That said if there is an episode that would show me how great the reboot actually is, I'd happily give it a shot - but the couple episodes I've tried haven't done anything for me yet.

Wind + Water from season 2 is the one you want to watch. wink.gif

Also 1-19 Compass , 1-17 Ruler and 1-13 Large Blade.

1-16 Hook is the Coltons episode.


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Thanks for the recs - will let you know if I give them a try... smile.gif

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QUOTE (zoeryan @ 9 October 2018 - 05:13 AM)
Thanks for the recs - will let you know if I give them a try... smile.gif

If you do give them a try, I'd say don't expect them to be exactly like the original series. I think that's a mistake many of us made when we started watching this show-- we basically wanted it be a replica of the original, and that's simply not what this was ever meant to be. And, to make matters worse, we were remembering the original as being better than it actually was. I've gradually gotten to the point where I can accept that this new show is its own vision/interpretation of MacGyver, and there will always be differences (some for better, some for the worse.)
It's still not a great show, but it can be entertaining in its own way, kind of like how the original series wasn't a great show, but was often entertaining in its own way.

 
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I'm glad to hear you say that, Miasma. It's how I started to watch it as something that is not connected to the original but can stand in it's own right.

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QUOTE (Miasma @ 9 October 2018 - 08:42 AM)
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Thanks for the recs - will let you know if I give them a try... smile.gif

If you do give them a try, I'd say don't expect them to be exactly like the original series. I think that's a mistake many of us made when we started watching this show-- we basically wanted it be a replica of the original, and that's simply not what this was ever meant to be. And, to make matters worse, we were remembering the original as being better than it actually was. I've gradually gotten to the point where I can accept that this new show is its own vision/interpretation of MacGyver, and there will always be differences (some for better, some for the worse.)
It's still not a great show, but it can be entertaining in its own way, kind of like how the original series wasn't a great show, but was often entertaining in its own way.

My problem with the show is that they have ignore the lexicon built up over 30 years.

The keep a few essential items such as character names. SAK and brown jacket, to make the show recognizable as MacGyver to people who already knew it but other than that all the back stories, characteristics etc are all different.

It is for all purposes a whole new show with some familiar names.

The show itself isn't great television, in fact there's nothing about it that stands out against any of the other CBS shows, but it's watchable brain fodder for a Friday night.






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QUOTE (MacGyverGod @ 9 October 2018 - 09:13 AM)
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 9 October 2018 - 02:03 PM)
QUOTE (MacGyverGod @ 9 October 2018 - 09:13 AM)
Congrats on your 1000th post.

Yikes!! I need to get out more!! blink.gif

Well hey, you're still better off than me. I haven't even been here a year, and I've already got over 2,000 laugh.gif

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QUOTE (Dragondog @ 9 October 2018 - 03:13 PM)
QUOTE (Miasma @ 9 October 2018 - 02:03 PM)
QUOTE (MacGyverGod @ 9 October 2018 - 09:13 AM)
Congrats on your 1000th post.

Yikes!! I need to get out more!! blink.gif

Well hey, you're still better off than me. I haven't even been here a year, and I've already got over 2,000 laugh.gif

Lol! laugh.gif

 
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QUOTE (MacGyverOnline @ 8 October 2018 - 01:11 AM)
QUOTE (zoeryan @ 7 October 2018 - 03:48 PM)
That said if there is an episode that would show me how great the reboot actually is, I'd happily give it a shot - but the couple episodes I've tried haven't done anything for me yet.

Wind + Water from season 2 is the one you want to watch. wink.gif

Also 1-19 Compass , 1-17 Ruler and 1-13 Large Blade.

1-16 Hook is the Coltons episode.

Just watched Wind + Water - enjoyed it more than the others I've seen! I made my comments in the episode thread smile.gif

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QUOTE (MacGyverOnline @ 9 October 2018 - 09:38 AM)
The show itself isn't great television, in fact there's nothing about it that stands out against any of the other CBS shows, but it's watchable brain fodder for a Friday night.

It's actually surprisingly bad by today's standards. There's something about the look of it that just feels cheap and a bit amateurish. Of course, the same could be said about many episodes of the original series, but television has come a long way since the 80s, and the standards for cinematography, writing, acting, music, etc, have gotten a lot higher. Many shows today have a more cinematic quality to them. I can't really compare MacGyver to other CBS prime time shows, since I don't watch any, but compared to some fairly recent cable shows like Breaking Bad, Homeland, Mad Men, The Sinner, Game Of Thrones, etc, there's really no artistry to anything in MacGyver. It's a shame, too. When they announced a MacGyver reboot, I got excited, picturing the classic series being brought up to the standards of those shows.

But, as you said, it's watchable brain fodder for those Friday nights when there's nothing else to do.

 
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 10 October 2018 - 11:27 AM)
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The show itself isn't great television, in fact there's nothing about it that stands out against any of the other CBS shows, but it's watchable brain fodder for a Friday night.

It's actually surprisingly bad by today's standards. There's something about the look of it that just feels cheap and a bit amateurish. Of course, the same could be said about many episodes of the original series, but television has come a long way since the 80s, and the standards for cinematography, writing, acting, music, etc, have gotten a lot higher. Many shows today have a more cinematic quality to them. I can't really compare MacGyver to other CBS prime time shows, since I don't watch any, but compared to some fairly recent cable shows like Breaking Bad, Homeland, Mad Men, The Sinner, Game Of Thrones, etc, there's really no artistry to anything in MacGyver. It's a shame, too. When they announced a MacGyver reboot, I got excited, picturing the classic series being brought up to the standards of those shows.

But, as you said, it's watchable brain fodder for those Friday nights when there's nothing else to do.

Agreed - I made this point earlier. I was hoping for a Burn Notice quality show - but honestly there are very few network primetime shows that are - most have pretty sophomoric writing, which is why I don't watch many. I'm finally a little more receptive to the new show, but the writing drives me crazy - the characters and dialogue are all pretty cartoony. It does have its entertaining moments though (as long as I don't think about RDA while I'm watching laugh.gif )

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QUOTE (Miasma @ 10 October 2018 - 08:27 PM)
QUOTE (MacGyverOnline @ 9 October 2018 - 09:38 AM)
The show itself isn't great television, in fact there's nothing about it that stands out against any of the other CBS shows, but it's watchable brain fodder for a Friday night.

It's actually surprisingly bad by today's standards. There's something about the look of it that just feels cheap and a bit amateurish. Of course, the same could be said about many episodes of the original series, but television has come a long way since the 80s, and the standards for cinematography, writing, acting, music, etc, have gotten a lot higher. Many shows today have a more cinematic quality to them. I can't really compare MacGyver to other CBS prime time shows, since I don't watch any, but compared to some fairly recent cable shows like Breaking Bad, Homeland, Mad Men, The Sinner, Game Of Thrones, etc, there's really no artistry to anything in MacGyver. It's a shame, too. When they announced a MacGyver reboot, I got excited, picturing the classic series being brought up to the standards of those shows.

But, as you said, it's watchable brain fodder for those Friday nights when there's nothing else to do.

You can't compare MacGyver to Game of Thrones either or anything else from HBO. That's a whole different ball game. GOT got budgets of 70 million dollars per episode.

I don't know what the reboot's budget is but it's way below GOT's.

I wouldn't call it cheap or amateurish either. Compared to GOT it maybe is, maybe that's why it's so fast paced and fast cut to cover it all up.

But maybe compared to other CBS stuff it might be just the same.

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I would agree it's unfair to compare it to GOT which is an outlier show, even for HBO. I think it's on par with most Network primetime shows - it's just that most network primetime shows are much worse than cable/streaming options. Now if AMC or Netflix had made a MacGyver reboot, it would have been so different! 12 episodes a season, way less cheesy, etc. I do think there are some primetime shows that are far better though, like The Orville! biggrin.gif

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In that view, I'm oldschool. I think a season should last at least 22-24 episodes. None of that mid-season breaks or anything. I agree on the cheese though but that was the original Mac as well.

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But old Mac wasn't cheesy in comparison to what was around at the time. I'm all for more episodes a season, but most quality shows do less than that.

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