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Posted by: MacGyverOnline 21 November 2006 - 12:19 AM

Every week I will be posting a new topic titled "Episode Discussion". In this we will discuss an episode, what we liked about it, what we didn't like, etc.

Episode 85 - Legend of the Holy Rose (part 2)

MacGyver and Zoë’s search for the Holy Rose in England and France turns deadly when they cross paths with a notorious jewel magnate.

Posted by: Macs Lab Rat 25 November 2006 - 06:58 AM

votes from May 2006
Poor [ 0 ] [0.00%]
Average [ 0 ] [0.00%]
OK [ 0 ] [0.00%]
Good [ 1 ] [14.29%]
Excellent [ 6 ] [85.71%]
Total Votes: 7

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MacsChick Posted on Apr 17 2006, 03:19 PM
Once again, the second part of this is excellent! RDA has some more great acting when he shows his enthusiasm over the "optical pump." With that grin on his face, you can't help but be excited along with him! He's like a happy little child! Also, he's incredibly cute all covered in soot.

The guy playing Von Leer...isn't he the villain in Deathlock? I think he is. He does the best desperate British villain I've seen since the Indiana Jones movies!

rockatteer Posted on Apr 17 2006, 03:53 PM

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Yep...sure is.... http://www.macgyveronline.com/pages/a11.html

Heres the spiel on the http://www.macgyveronline.com/pages/c28.html

MacGyver Posted on Apr 17 2006, 06:34 PM

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"Legend of the Holy Rose" (Part 2) was a great conclusion to the 5th. Season kick-off episode. It was really cool seeing MacGyver escape the pendulum blade and then the final showdown with the Holy Rose was cool too. I love these treasure hunt episodes- (probably because I love Indiana Jones too) and this was definitely a great one!

Sheepy Posted on Apr 17 2006, 08:56 PM

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Once again, it's the conclusion to part one and still one of my alltime fav's.
I love the escape out of the castle.

"Never knew an English breakfast would save my life"

(or something like that)

MacGyverGod Posted on Apr 18 2006, 01:15 AM

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I also voted excellent on this one. Mac's 'escape' is wonderful, well if the blade stops swinging the danger is over.
'Scuse me!! Scuse me!!'
'What? Who's there?'
'Um... could you give me a hand?'
'AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!'
Hahaha!!!!!
'Ain't you just the one, ducky?'
By the way this one was the nurse from Thin Ice. She shows up again in Serenity and Twenty Questions.
Many actors from previous episodes or episodes to come shows up in this adventure. Like Wycliff, wasn't he the one who showed up earlier in Soft Touch. This actor also showed in James Cameron's Titanic with no hair as Benjamin Guggenheim. He asked for a brandy during the sinking. The Indiana Jones touch is great, lovely how they set this in. The ending was also very great.
'An optical pump!!'
'What is an optical pump?'
Then I love it when he says: 'A laser. We didn't come up with this until the 60's. 740 years later.'
This is so hard MacGyver stuff of the top shelf.

MacGirl Posted on May 4 2006, 08:25 AM

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I just love the way this one ends... with the statue of the goddess revealed and Zoe's awe-filled words, "... and give birth to a new beginning." I'll have to watch it again, as there were some great lines and great wisdom in it.

Posted by: laarell4241 23 April 2007 - 09:55 AM

Now does somebody want to place a small wager that Dan Brown had been watching this episode when he wrote the DaVinci Code? Come on, the whole rose, mother goddess, evil scientist that looks like a friend thing, France, London... The list only gets longer from here.

Posted by: Lothithil 23 April 2007 - 11:20 AM

"I don't think you OR my make-up is gonna last that long!"

And it just keeps getting better after that! Excellent ep!

Posted by: MacsChick 23 April 2007 - 05:11 PM

Hey! I just read The Da Vinci Code, and I thought the same thing! Who knows?

Posted by: Lothithil 24 April 2007 - 06:12 AM

Shannon: "I know what your doing... you know what? I think you're crazy!"

MacGyver: "Gimme a few hours... you'll know for sure!"

This ep (and the 2nd half) have some of the best lines!

Posted by: MacGirl 19 June 2007 - 07:13 PM

"Myths and dreams come from the same place."

I think this is one of my favorite quotes. There was so much wisdom in this show, and that's one of the reasons I never tire of it.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 6 October 2007 - 07:59 PM

watched this last night...

Zoe is still annoying!

MacGyver's escape has to be the worst piece of writing in the whole show. what absolute nonsense.

I have to say though that this second half had a bit more of the great adventure treasure hunt the writers where obviously after, but I still think it didn't quite achieve it.

I kind of got the feeling that this was really a single episode which had been dragged out to make it a 2 parter.. it seemed very slow and drawn out.

They could have left out the ridiculous rescue at the beginning, started the episode with Mac coming home and cut out a lot of the in between stuff which really didn't add anything but slowness to the story, and probably would have had a good treasure hunt episode, instead of the slow sometimes over the top 2 parter we ended up with.

Anyway.. for me part 2 is watchable.. but only just.. I'd much rather watch Treasure of Manco.

Posted by: Astra 21 January 2008 - 04:32 AM

I watched this yesterday just to see what MacBeth meant with the geeky look and tie in this other thread

Well, I don't know why all you guys like those treasure hunting episodes so much. Must be a girl/boy thing. I understand that "Indiana Jones" was made with tongue in cheek, but the MacGyver episodes want to be taken seriously, and I just can't do that.

I think it looks pretty silly when Mac puts something in here and then turns something there, and suddenly some old apparature/mechanic starts moving. Either somebody would have found it years ago - I mean, if this old church was used as a museum, wouldn't they investigate everything about it? It also looked to me as if the plate was not really necessary to turn this stone. Anybody could have found these three whatstheirnames.

Or I wonder why the apparature is still working at all after thousands of years. Plus the treasures they DID find looked just cheap.

And did anybody hear something about light speed before? Why did it take so long for the laser to go from one lense to the next? Silly.

And of course in the end the old cliché that the whole thing has to tumble down and nothing is left - just like in the Quaterman movies.

Plus there are two very disgusting deaths in this one. At the beginning the shooting of one bad guy just from one meter's distance - and then the professor that was thrown out of the helicopter. Very cruel. Unneccessary cruel (for a family series).

Most fun I had watching the interaction between Mac and Zoe. She might seem annoying, but she only is passionate about her causes. That actually is not a bad thing. Maybe she talks a bit too much and too fast. I could actually see a lot of Daniel Jackson in her - and a lot of Jack O'Neill's in Mac's reactions, also. I like it when people annoy Mac. The beginning with him waking in the middle of the ocean was fun.

And Zoe can fight for herself and is not the girl that only depends on Mac. Love when she is throwing the breakfast out of the window.

The scene with Mac under the blade stands out as the most memorable thing. There is sheer terror in his eyes and the first time I was indeed fearing for his life.

The whole episode has a very British touch. The buildings and the accents added to that. I started to wonder whether this really was filmed in London like the movies. I doubt it for the costs, though.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 21 January 2008 - 12:41 PM

This episode really reminds me of the Lost Treasure of Atlantis movie. I don't like it.

Your right Astra, the hidden locks and mechanical stuff did seem badly thought out and executed in this episode, or maybe just over used?

Anyway this is one of the episodes I prefer to skip.

If you want a good treasure hunt episode, go with Treasure on Manco.

Posted by: MacsChick 21 January 2008 - 06:44 PM

I will say that RDA's acting when he's under the blade is excellent--I agree. I truly believe that he's scared to death!

His reactions--facial expressions and his eyes--are expressive and accurate.

Posted by: dinoman 15 September 2008 - 04:29 PM

I voted average. I think the whole experience was too 'unreal', not so related to real life as the other episodes. There were some interesting scenes, though, like the scene when Mac found his houseboat floating at the centre of the sea. I love that!

Posted by: Beachbead 27 April 2009 - 04:29 PM

Loved how MacGyver got out the knife of doom.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 27 April 2009 - 06:15 PM

QUOTE (MacsChick @ 22 January 2008 - 02:44 PM)

I will say that RDA's acting when he's under the blade is excellent--I agree. I truly believe that he's scared to death!

His reactions--facial expressions and his eyes--are expressive and accurate.

Maybe they where taunting him off screen.

Can just see the crew running around in a flap yelling "what do you mean it wont stop!!?? Someone get the electricians in here to switch the damn thing off before it cuts him in half!!"

Posted by: aatgmac 27 April 2009 - 09:47 PM

LOL!

Posted by: Beachbead 28 April 2009 - 05:45 AM

lol

Posted by: SMeeceymouse 3 May 2009 - 10:33 AM

I loved the cleaning woman screaming when he asked her for help. Cute episode. Could've done a little bit more with it. And for some reason I really liked that Zoe was able to help out.

Posted by: cirubit 31 March 2010 - 01:07 PM

This double episode in Italy, my Contry, has been unpublisched for many years!
I don't know why...
I saw it for the first time when this (double) episode was included in the dvd set of the fifth season!
Also the italian voice of Mac Gyver are different in this story.
Now, in Italy, you can see this episode in various tv channels but, before his publication on dvd, it was not really available.

Posted by: Makedde 11 March 2012 - 09:48 PM

I can't believe I saw Part 1 around six months ago but missed Part 2. Today I finally got to see it...and...a let down. Apart from Mac getting away from that swinging blade, and getting all sooty (causing butterflies to flutter in my tummy) and excited about that laser, which was piss poor special effects.

The bad guy getting blown up by the laser was pretty cool, though.

I prefered the first episode...loved when Zoe sent Mac's house into the ocean...I wonder if you could actually do that??? *heads off to the pier to untie someone's house boat*

Posted by: Rocket 14 March 2013 - 09:43 AM

Evening all,

Just watched the Legend of the Holy Rose episodes last night...
Be aware that spoilers ensue.

Now I wear pretty generous disbelief suspenders and have enjoyed every episode so far with the exception of the couple at the beginning of the first season where they borrowed a lot of footage from other films (having seen both the Italian Job and Funeral in Berlin, it Just Doesn't Work to pinch large chunks of them, it's nothing to do with Mac and the gang).

I also found a lot to enjoy about the first Holy Rose episode - casting Mac adrift was a highly entertaining prank worthy of Jack Dalton, for example. Zoe was, initially at least, another good foil for dragging Mac into situations he's going to regret. I like the bamboo-and-cement-mixer microlight too, and Mac with really long hair, doing exasperated so very well

The point at which my disbelief suspenders started twanging in earnest was when the words Holy and Grail were uttered. It's been done, guys.
And then there were the toe-curling London accents.
And the ease with which the Holy Rose puzzles were solved.
And the flip-top rock.
And the cheesy ruby laser effects.
And Zoe constantly going on about a Great New Perfect World (nothing wrong with the idea, it's the amount of repetition that does it).
And the gunpowder impregnated wall.
And the (presumably) similarly gunpowder impregnated bad guy.
And the finding of the holy gravy boat with it's load of magic powder paint...

No, as much as I wanted to like this one, it's a Poor from me.

Posted by: AussieMacFan 23 May 2013 - 12:56 AM

This is one of my favourite episodes!

Why was Mac wearimg a tie? He hates wearing ties usually...

Posted by: Rocket 23 May 2013 - 01:20 AM

QUOTE (AussieMacFan @ 23 May 2013 - 08:56 PM)

This is one of my favourite episodes!

Why was Mac wearimg a tie? He hates wearing ties usually...

Sorry Aussie - no offence intended!

I don't know why he was wearing a tie either - I thought he lost all his MacGyver super powers if he put one on, a bit like Superman when the kryptonite comes out!

Posted by: KiwiTek 23 May 2013 - 02:17 AM

QUOTE (AussieMacFan @ 23 May 2013 - 08:56 PM)

This is one of my favourite episodes!

Why was Mac wearimg a tie? He hates wearing ties usually...

That's a really good question and he didn't even look uncomfortable with it on. At least in the earlier seasons he looked uncomfortable in the tie.

Posted by: AussieMacFan 23 May 2013 - 02:51 AM

Yeah, I always wondered about the tie since the first time I saw the episode...

Posted by: Jediferret 23 May 2013 - 09:20 AM

Oh, this episode is fun in its own way. I liked part 1 better then part 2. I LOVED the whole scene where Mac is falling asleep and Zoe sets his houseboat adrift. The music during that scene makes it seem like someone is about to do something insidious to poor, unexpecting Mac. Then of course the whole scene after that when Zoe shows up to talk him into helping her. XD Poor Mac indeed. The rest of the episode and part 2 I find kinda... boring, but I watch it anyway because of the nostalgia factor.

Ah... the memories. lol And I do like the scene where he had to escape the pendulum... cheesy, but it's still fun to watch. Poor Mac seemed so helpless when asking for help. Wonder how long he had to lay there.

The tie though? I never really though about it, except that I do agree he look uncomfortable wearing it. lol

Posted by: MacGyverGod 24 May 2013 - 01:38 AM

I think the tie was a wink to Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Indy wears a tie on his Indy outfit while in Venice. But a red tie on a white shirt is just god-ugly. If had the green shirt on from Rush To Judgment it would've been alright.

Posted by: AussieMacFan 24 May 2013 - 03:49 AM

I don't mind how it looked actually. But he does usually avoid ties.

Posted by: AussieMacFan 24 May 2013 - 03:12 PM

QUOTE (Rocket @ 23 May 2013 - 07:20 PM)

QUOTE (AussieMacFan @ 23 May 2013 - 08:56 PM)

This is one of my favourite episodes!

Why was Mac wearimg a tie? He hates wearing ties usually...

That's ok, no offence taken.

Posted by: Scwilson 13 August 2013 - 08:15 PM

when Mac escapes the pendulum blade was cool. I thought with the bomber jacket and tie we see a resemblance to Indiana Jones in the Last Crusade. The two episodes were great overall and liked them overall.

Posted by: cmbj67 22 August 2014 - 01:47 PM

I like this episode, especially in the beginning and in the castle. RDA is really convincing in the scene of the swinging blade.

I never thought about the tie. In fact Mac doesn't like ties, but during the years the character underwent some changes. This might be one of them.

The last part is a little too unrealistic to me, even if not bad. I voted good for this one as well as part 1.

Posted by: MacGyverGod 23 August 2014 - 07:14 AM

The tie was another wink to Indiana Jones I think as Indy wore a tie on his Indy-outfit in the Last Crusade for a big part of the movie.

Posted by: denizen 23 August 2014 - 07:24 AM

Oh yea, that's true thanks for pointing that out, MacGyverGod!

Posted by: MacFan092985 23 August 2014 - 10:11 PM

The swinging blade could also be a nod to Indiana Jones. When Indy was making his way to the Grail Knight, the first obstacle he encountered were two spinning blades intended to cut his head off and/or cut him in half. I'm not saying that the Indiana Jones series created this device, it's been around for centuries, it's simply another similarity Mac and Indy have in Common.

Posted by: uniquelyjas 24 May 2017 - 05:21 AM

As for the tie...I thought it might be related to Indiana Jones which is fine. I also thought that, since Mac usually dresses appropriately for different situations even if he doesn't like it, he wore it for the flight over and never got the chance to change. Also, I noticed that from the beginning, the knot is a bit lose...and gets looser. Might help with the comfort factor.

Posted by: MacGyverGod 24 May 2017 - 07:00 AM

The white shirt and the red tie... Must've been like the worst outfit he wore. You know, Mac and ties... also the tie switches positions while under the pendulum.