I almost don't want to start this thread as I fear everyone will just complain and I am not going to lie some of the descriptions seem well odd and this whole thing feels like a mix of Jason Bourne and Iron man...

and this could be some fan with an over active imagination pulling our leg but my gut says this is legit.


Here are the descriptions and my thoughts below keep in mind I will still see this show with an open mind and I might love it.. I might hate it but hey I gave Gotham 3 episodes before I turned in the towel on that show so I will at least give three to MacGyver with that said


Angus MacGyver - 25 years old. A resourceful yet troubled young man. He joined the army and eventually became a bomb tech to make money to pay off his degree, however he was captured by the Mazari. After being saved he was deemed an American Hero, but found a lot of his memories blacked out. Including how he was captured and what happened to the other prisoners. As he tries to return to normal life, he begins to see the Mazari everywhere...but no one will believe him.

Lincoln - A 55 year old war vet who doesn't miss a thing. He believes that the Mazari really are on American soil. His sister leads a group, an unofficial department of Homeland Security that investigates these conspiracies that no one believes in and stops them before the public finds out. Was in the army with MacGyver's father and tried multiple times to rescue him from the Mazari without success.

Mickey - 25 years old, MacGyver's high school sweetheart. Very pretty and smart. Dating Gunner. Assists Macgyver with readjusting to civilian life.

Gunner - 25 years old, MacGyver's best friend from high school. Dating Mickey. While Macgyver was captured he pretty much took over his former life. Works as handy man and dreamed of becoming an American Hero.

Zwickey & O'Neill - Prisoners MacGyver met while captured by the Mazari. They have yet to be rescued, a fact which still haunts MacGyver.

and here is the link http://www.macgyveronline.com/news/New-Mac...riptions-Leaked

as well as a link to the article I read

http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/macgyver...s-reboot-pilot/


A few thoughts I feel I need to point out to everyone before I give my thoughts

1. Characters change all the time Mac's favorite sport in the pilot was baseball it didn't become hockey till a few episodes later. He was also part of the big brother program and lived in an observarotry all of this was completely dropped by episode 2.. Also all of the side characters in the pilot vanished completely by episode 2 and Peter Thorton wasn't introduced till Nightmares which was the 11th episode and Jack Dalton wasn't introduced till the second season so lets not panic just yet... but lets talk about some of the obvious cons and some of the pros of this bit of info.



Cons (get the negative out of the way)

the secondary cast (Mickey Gunner Zwickey Oneil and possibly even Lincoln) all seem just like stereotypical action star cliché side characters. and Cliche's that are kind of done to death. Sure Mac had like 110 old college girlfriends that showed up throughout the series (jeez how many girls did he date) and his High School sweetheart was in a first season episode (the one with freddy kruger star Robert Englund can't remember the episode or her name) but I dunno based on the character descriptions they all seem a little one note.

Breaking it down a little further Gunner seems basically pointless and I can't see anywhere for him to go

Mickey could be intriguing (in sort of a Sylvia trench from Dr no and From Russia with love way kind of way) but apart from giving mac someone to lust after/bang She doesn't bring in too many story elements, Unless of course she runs the local youth center and like the original the new MacGyver will deal with threats like terrorism etc and local issues..

Zwickey & O'Neill... We're going with the haunted hero cliché really really Wan and I championed you. Again I feel these will be pilot only characters so there is no point in even mentioning them but these two and the haunted hero cliché SCREAMS lets steal from Arrow which ok I liked the first two seasons of Arrow..


Lincoln... the whole MacGyver's dad knew him bugs me slightly but if it isn't mentioned too much I don't care

MacGyver: oh boy where do I begin ... I am focusing on cons here and three things kind of annoy me and one is actually technically cannon

1. Mac as part of the bomb disposal unit I hated it when they added that to the character in the original show and guess what I still do. Mac seems like the last person who would join the army no matter what finchial status he was in

2. Amnesia really again... oh boy

3. American hero thing also doesn't sit right with me Mac was always the person who didn't like the spot light but as long as this is down played...


Pros (and there are a few of them)

over all this feel like it could be very good depending on who they get to play the individual parts but lets go through the pros of everything


Mickey: she could become a souped up version of mike from the original show (except where in the show Mike and mac never slept together here it's kind of obvious they did) if they get a stong actress to play her she could become relatively interesting

Lincoln: I like that he believes MacGyver I also love that he works in an organization that is a branch off homeland security that makes sure threats don't become active on US Soil. Again I don't see him replacing Thorton (and in deed I think Peter will be brought in eventually) but I like that he trust Mac and has a fatherly relationship with him.

the other three characters could be ok depending on how much the focus is on them and what their roles are outside of the pilot (for example if none of them are ever seen or mentioned again that would be perfect)

Lets talk about the new terrorist organization Mac wll be facing before we hit on MacGyver himself

Mazari: interesting name and it comes from Pakistanian history but is non descript enough to mean any terrorist organization. I like it A LOT better then what Clay was facing (the lord people liberation front of Africa I believe was the name) I also like that they are facing here and abroad. again I think other threats will be used but in terms of first season I am ok with this considering the first season Mac took on a lot of communists it makes sense honestly

MacGyver: I don't hate the character description and mac still feel well like mac in spite of what I said above. I like that he is still resourceful and the show has him working with Lincoln to stop the Mazari. he still reads essentially like Mac but with a whole amnesia/haunted hero bit added in that isn't needed and should this go a few season I would hope is dropped by season 2 at the latest.


over all I am still a mixture of emition as I was in October

am I Scared this will suck. Absolutly
Am I hopefull it will be amazing? Yeah you bet
Am I nervous overall? Yeah

to me this could be amazing or it could suck but Curious to see how everyone else feels (though I can almost put money down 95% of the people here will hate it) please read through this with open minds and remember even in the original show Mac changed a lot over the first two seasons (including elements appearing and disappearing from continuity) so all this could change. A lot of this though feels like the NCIS's writers fingerprints just my feeling anyways.

Definitely grain of salt material.

Well like I said even if it is true thing can change...

Well like you and Denizen said, we should take this with a big pinch of salt.

It's obvious that there're similarities between these supporting characters and the original ones.

Lincoln = Pete

Gunner = Jack Dalton

Mickey = Mike


Well the terrorist organization is an intriguing plot point I have to say, but it would hjave to be done the right way, so that it wouldn't look lame.

I'll just wait and see. I just hope we can keep spoilers down to a minimum.

I'm not keen on them essentially replacing Pete and jack with different characters. Why not keep the original characters so it ties back to the original show?

He used modern technology of the day in the original show. How would it be any different?

And if your going with the RDA line about having a phone and just calling for help. that's a nonsense. If you call for help you still have to deal with the situation UNTIL the help arrives, which could be a fair amount of time depending on where you are... I.E. Having a phone doesn't fix someone pointing a gun in your face, or being in a bank robbery, or having an intruder in your house or even a flat tire for that matter.

Technology included, there's nothing that can't be fixed by a sharp mind, a SAK and some good duct tape! We'll see.....I don't know if anyone could ever replace Pete and Jack. I'm excited by a new show, and I'm fascinated by how they've molded the characters to fit the world of 2016. Please, please producers, don't move the show tooooo much from its roots.

Naturally it would make sense to wait for the facts before jumping off the cruise ship.

We had our doubts. Most of us still do. But I will always give the pilot episode, no matter how crazy it is, the benefit of the doubt.

It takes me back to the 2013 Saint pilot that was made and never even aired. After watching the trailer to that, I just knew it was so NOT the Saint character we remember from way back. Needless to say, that withered away like a bad memory and was never sold to any network. Sadly even Roger Moore made an appearance in it. The TV biz is a tough world. And the audience has changed. It will take something down their line of interest to sell it. Saying that, we might not get the MacGyver we all remember.

If the spoilers are half true I won't like it. I have no issue with technology, though, Mac was involved with a lot of cutting edge stuff for Phoenix!

Wait a minute, am I misunderstanded something, from my understanding the new series will be based onto those years when Mac was young. And some people talk about how the new technology work in the series. But if Mac spent his young age back in 1970s so.... So did I miss something?

It will be based in the hear and now. It's a reboot... starting over in to days world.



After having just re-read the descriptions in detail I have to say nothing about them sounds good.

MacGyver is an army veteran trying to re-adjust to civilian life after being held captive?!?! Seriously???

What moron came up with that idea??

OK

Den I feel the same way I am giving the new MacGyver show at least 3 episodes let me take a moment and discuss where I am coming from


Ignoring the Casino Royale parallels I keep talking about lets discuss the two rival shows that got the reboot in the past decade and why I kind of liked them

Knight Rider A lot of Mike's orginis were completely changed (with the amnesia sub plot as well.... hmmm) and yet the show was good ok the CGI toward the end was laughably bad but the actors did the roles well and for all extensive purposes it was Knight rider just with a few changes

The A-Team: Why did this move bomb and yet the expendables make so much money grrr you know what forget it I won't scream and yell about how annoying that is. The A-team (2010) is in my top 10 movies it's a guys movie it's brilliant Neeson cooper Copley even Jackson do great with their parts and make it their own. is it darker more serious and more brutual then the original OH hell yes but it's also fun and whimisical (they flew a tank for crying out loud) Patrick Wilson was hilarious as the villain (and has my most often quoted line in real life" and get me the god dam plates back") But is it exactly the same as the original; show no not really a lot of elements were changed completely for example Neeson's Hannibal doesn't play dress up EVER (and no the airport scene doesn't count), also all 4 of them are way fitter and tougher then the original group but I digress (heck they destroy the classic van in the opening sequence I mean who does that and yet it worked)



so I am willing to put faith in a new MacGyver even if its different from the original

a few things I also want to point oput that I think we are over looking


1. Lincoln seems to be just a friend of Mac's who introduces him to this mysterious organization (which really should be DXS I wouldn't complain about it being the Phonex foundation but Phoenex was always outside of government buracracy where as DXS seemed to be very much in it) it his sister who works for the organization and will likely be Mac's handler in the first few episodes.

2. I will say it again Jack Dalton and mike WERE NOT INTODUCED TILL THE SECOND SEASON!!!!! yes they aren't in the pilot of this new MacGyver but did we really expect them to be. This is a tv show honestly I would be a little pissed if the pilot cast list read out like this

MacGyver
Peter Thorton
Jack Dalton
Murdoc
Dr Vito
Nikki Carpenter
Penny Parker
Mike


I mean lets spread out the characters from the original show the original show clearly did so why must we have every one of mac's allies and villians from the original show present in the pilot? if it was a movie then yes I would be annoyed but this is a show if you through every important character in the pilot (which would just make a mess anyways) there is no where for the character to go.


the more I think about it the more I think this could be somewhat decent in fact it could be really good or really bad we won't know till we well know. but I am going to be hopeful.

The biggest problem with reboots is that they go to unfamiliar territory. Just when you think you know what youre getting, you get hit on the head.

I felt that with the A-Team. I know it told the story of how they became framed but it was not the story that everyone wanted. I am a firm believer that music plays a huge part on any show or movie and for such an iconic theme, it was only played once in the beginning for about 3 seconds. All these factors made the movie feel like a stranger and that is why, i believe the movie bombed.

I really liked that movie though and I have seen episodes. It got me to get to know Liam Neeson better. I've been on the look out for his movies ever since. But I just got what I expected... over the top and outrageous stunts. And I was real glad they got Alan Silvestri to do the score. He had a good action theme written. He'd be my choice for these kind of movies.

someone that never watched the old series I guess.

To be honest, I think this sounds like some random typical 2016 action series with the name MacGyver stamped on it. There is nothing in this description other than the name Angus MacGyver that remotely resembles my hero. It would be FAR better and dare I say original in this decade to actually continue Mac where he left off and show him how's he is now in 2016. I'd rather see Ricky Dean play Mac now in his 60s and have interesting stories and episodes written for him.

Unfortunately, I don't think Rick is up for more stunts and dangerous stuff. His knees are shot, his back is acting up, he's slow... Physically, he's not up to the challenge.

to be fair this is only character descriptions it doesn't go into plot or anything else plus this is only for the pilot not the whole show.


For Me Bond moved past Connery
Batman Moved past Christian Bale (or Michael Keaton depending on which you view as the best)
MacGyver could move past Richard Dean Anderson and I would be willing to give it a shot....



the more annoying thing is each day this week other shows casts have been announced and here I wait for CBS to finally announce MacGyver

I do believe its possible to make MacGyver without Richard (although he will only ever be Mac for me) The problem is, I don't think they seem to do anything but ride on the old shows reputation with all these reboots.

For a reboot to work, it needs perfect casting, strong, well written scripts, and for me, the golden rule - don't mess with the concept of the original!!!

99% of the time, reboots ignore ALL of the above, have dire casts, dire scripts and don't feel like they're anything to do with the original bar the name!

We shall see. And while I haven't jumped ship yet, I do I have my life jacket and a large life raft at the ready.

I think it's best to wait and see how the new series will be. I personally don't have any interest in watching the new show, Since I've already read the character description, I will watch the pilot episode, but if it fails to impress me I would rather stick to watching the re-runs of the classic Macgyver series.

to be fair this is only character descriptions it doesn't go into plot or anything else plus this is only for the pilot not the whole show.


For Me Bond moved past Connery
Batman Moved past Christian Bale (or Michael Keaton depending on which you view as the best)
MacGyver could move past Richard Dean Anderson and I would be willing to give it a shot....



the more annoying thing is each day this week other shows casts have been announced and here I wait for CBS to finally announce MacGyver

MacGyver12186, For a moment I thought that was you sitting there patiently.

lol no but with the amount of cookies I used to eat (as well as candy chips and ice cream I feel like cookie monster)


the issue with using the character descriptions to judge wether the new show will be good or bad is all it does is give us each character and the motivations for the pilot only. everyone but Mac might be gones by episodes 2 and we may get a character list that has Jack Dalton in it or Peter thorton...


Plus we still have no idea about the plot of the pilot based on macgyverss character decription I am going to take a shot in the dark and say

Mac uncovers a Mazari threat on home soil and stops it (with a few macgyverisms along the way) leading to him Joining the DXS to work for Lincoln's sister (whose name we don't know and since we don't have Lincoln's last name perhaps it's Nikki Carpenter)



shrugs that sounds like it could be the plot... and could be a decent episode... I am taking a shot in the dark


like I said my hope is the cast is announced soon as this should be one of CBS's tentpole shows for the fall (and should be on maybe on Wednesday night just so I can break up the week with MacGyver)

like I said the waiting is driving me a little nuts


but at least we got SOME news this week regarding the show.

Couldn't agree more! Rick Anderson WAS MacGyver... his take on the character.. HIS personality completely [watch him as Jack O'Neill in Stargate SG-1 for proof of that]. Calling a new show MacGyver is just trading off of the old franchise... without actually earning it... IMHO...

And as to whether Rick would be up to a continuation of HIS series... if he isn't... then leave the series to TV history!

I found a recent review of the pilot script (beware of minor SPOILERS!!!)
http://www.tracking-board.com/the-runway-y...e-cbs-dramas/9/

First and for most warning one of the spoilers I will have in my post

YES Mac is going to be working for DXS in the new show whew I really was nervous about this. But yeah everything in the review is fantastic. It promises a lot of macgyverisms in the pilot a lot to great cliff hangers and questions yeah this looks great.

This has actually put me at ease a little. This review makes the pilot sound like it's definitely worth a watch.

Indeed, maybe it actually is worth a view.


let's hope so

Plus based on the script review it seems clear Mac's parents are still dead in this reboot. Like I said there seems to be a lot of mystery within the pilot but it's still respectful to the original show somewhat

Yes I know Macgyver and Peter Thorton either meet in the African dessert or finding Murdoc... But still the fact that Mac is joining DXS and being basically Macgyver... I like that Gunner might be a villain because that is intriguing and Jack Dalton could still be brought in.

Over all if this doesn't get picked up by CBS I will be shocked this is much different situation then a decade ago with young Macgyver... Looking forward to the show honestly.

Well ladies and gents, we might get ourselves a good show afterall.