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|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 20 October 2017 - 08:06 AM|
2.4 X-Ray + Penny
Airdate: 20 October 2017
Writer: Craig O'Neill and David Slack
Director: Bethany Rooney
Guest Cast: David Dastmalchian (Murdoc), Michael O'Keefe (Harry McGyver), Grant Springate (Little Mac), Anthony Starke (Henry), Carl Kennedy (Tall Phoenix Tech)
When Murdoc drugs and kidnaps MacGyver, Mac uses a needle and his teeth to escape and join the team to save Murdocís next victim.
|Posted by: Miasma 20 October 2017 - 05:22 PM|
| I think this was one of the series' strongest episodes, really, for several reasons.
First of all, Murdoc is easily one of the best and most compelling characters on this show.
Second, it was nice to get a break from the regular opening gambits (didn't I mention this just last week?!) Also nice to get a bit of a break from Phoenix Foundation assignments.
Third, it was nice to see Mac on his own, even just briefly, trying to survive with just his wits. For a little while, it actually kind of felt like the original series!
Fourth, it looks like something's up with Samantha that might make her a bit more interesting than "just another team member."
Fifth, there were some cool call-backs to the original series. Mac staggering around, drugged, reminded me a lot of "Nightmares," and Murdoc's rocket launcher attack on Mac's vehicle was reminiscent of "Strictly Business."
Sixth, we got a little more development into the Mac's father storyline, and got to meet his grandpa.
So, yeah, I actually liked this one quite a bit, and wish more episodes were like this!
|Posted by: Syracuseanne 20 October 2017 - 08:31 PM|
|I agree....a very strong episode. MUrdock is an integral part of this show. I like to see Mac in more of these serious situations but also like the interaction between him and Jack. That Cage thing has me wondering too. I guess she's not cracked up to who we thought she was. Still, i think she's getting abit too cozy with Mac. Just my opinion. I truly love this show.|
|Posted by: DXS 21 October 2017 - 12:00 AM|
| I liked this episode! I am liking this Murdock, except I still miss Michael Des Barres and the plunging to a "death" and the "MA-GY-VAH" stuff.
The ending was totally unexpected! There is no indication this is a two parter. Interesting to see if they pick up where they left off, or if Murdock is coming back this same season.
Wow, I'm still scratching my head over the "teacher." Wowsies, what a plot.
I'm loving Meredith Eaton in this.
And Miasima, thanks, NIGHTMARES, that was the episode I was trying to remember..... Yes, a nod to that one.
Looks like George Eads cut his hair. He always had that stupid "duck tail" on top of his head. I didn't like it, it looked dorky. In this episode, the "duck tail" was chopped off. Although his hairline had a "peak" to it....
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 21 October 2017 - 12:22 AM|
| So what did everyone think of the new Grandpa Harry?
Seems like a bad actor choice for that role to me, but I haven't seen the episode so can't actually make a call.
|Posted by: Miasma 21 October 2017 - 01:41 AM|
He was fine. Very different from the original, but still a good grandfather. I wonder if Mac's grandpa is still alive in the present-day (we only saw him in a flashback.)
On a side note, one other thing I liked about this episode compared to many others was the tone. It was a lot less silly. Sure there was still humor, but because the humor wasn't so nonstop, it worked a lot better.
|Posted by: MacGirl0629 21 October 2017 - 06:14 AM|
| I loved this episode and it was one of my favorites so far. Murdoc is truly a disturbing individual and a good opponent for Mac. I didn't see the whole mother of his child thing coming so that was a surprise. I also didn't see the ending coming either.
I was happy to see Mac's grandfather as well and some of that backstory. It is clear Mac's missing father is clearly weighing heavily on Mac. I can't wait to see this explored further.
I was so glad that Cage is not to be trusted. I knew there was something else about her. When Murdoc called her you could see she was concerned that he knew her secret. I wonder what she is hiding? I never knew why Peter would bring in a new character as a series regular at the start of a season before giving fans a chance to warm up with her, but it makes more sense if she is going to have a dark secret. If the character is recurring, the fans could feel like we are missing something like with Thornton and Nikki, but putting her in every episode gives a chance for her storyline to progress. I still can't stand her though and really hope she leaves sooner rather than later.
I don't understand the whole potential romance with Mac thing. She is all flirty and touching him in this episode and he is the one to find her when she got shot. It is like a Nikki 2.0. Her remark in the episode 1 about not dating colleagues wouldn't be needed if they were going to go the romance route. The touching last night didn't add anything to the episode. I also noticed she didn't seem too concerned about Mac. She told Bozer that he was on his own and then brushed off Jack's comment about Murdoc taking Mac and she has no idea about him so she shouldn't say anything.
I find it strange as well that Isabel is not promoting the show as much. The other cast post pictures and are all on social media the night of the show, but she is not.
I hope this secret pays off for fans who don't like her. Maybe that is what Peter is thinking.
Can't wait for next week's episode..
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 21 October 2017 - 06:37 AM|
As Miasma said, very different from the original version. I missed the "grumpy, grouchy-yet-still-charming" grandpa-feeling of the original character.
On the other hand, it was necessary to make him so different after changing Mac's backstory.
If I remember correctly, Original Harry had lost his son and his wife in a car accident, right? Losing your child AND the love of your life; there's a lot of grief. I guess he couldn't really connect with his grandson and his daughter-in-law any more and was already emotionally distant when he left. So I guess even living with them in the same house, Harry didn't have such a close relationship with Young MacGyver
In the reboot, Harry lost his daughter-in-law. He probably helped out when his son and grandson were grieving, but I'm assuming he returned to his own life after a while (we don't know if "Grandma" was still around?). Nevertheless, he presumably stayed in close contact and had a different emotional connection to Young MacGyver than in the Original - especially one that wasn't complicated due to being reminded of his own loss when looking into MacGyver's eyes.
But I have to say, I'm not that happy with the choice of actor. Not that I know him and/or his project. I guess I just can't help comparing it to how RDA would have done it; knowing that this was the role that Lenkov had intended for RDA's cameo.
Also, it's still not really clear to me if Harry is still alive or not. I'm guessing not. It might have been different with RDA accepting an offer for a role - I think there might have been more scenes and earlier in the first Season. Age-wise, RDA probably wouldn't have appeared in flashbacks either, but as a present character.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 21 October 2017 - 07:09 AM|
| Preliminary Ratings are in: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/the-sked-friday-network-scorecard-10-20-2017.html
The Reboot is still stuck in a 0.8 rating, which has some rating sites speculating about the show being cancelled if it doesn't improve. On the other hand, it gained again in viewers and wins the time slot, while other shows (like Inhumans, Exorcist, OuaT) have been losing ratings and viewers every week since they started this season.
|Posted by: Joe SAKic 21 October 2017 - 08:11 AM|
|Actually found myself rooting for Murdoc, at long last. Only because of the quippy, smirky, and absolute wrong timing of our heroes' lines with respect to their given situation(s). The allure of the original Mac was in part due to his couth, diplomacy and how even though he was 'in control', came across as though he hadn't necessarily been in the (given) situation before. These 'young punks' lingo suggest that they've been-there-done that ad nauseam ..... and that can be annoying and very unmacgyver-like. So, good to see them get a bit of hurt at the end. This was a good as (the reboot) gets, the sets were plentiful and the direction moved well in between. I liked it!|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 21 October 2017 - 08:36 AM|
They sure must have gotten a higher budget this season, and I'm glad.
Filming in Cuba, in "real" buildings instead of just sound stages an such... you can see it and feel it. Also, the writing and directing definitely has improved since last season.
It's a pity the quality wasn't as good in the first half of Season 1; especially in the first few episodes. I think they could have kept much more viewers the Pilot Episode and the next two episodes had been different.
Also, I really think they should do more scenes between just 2 characters. The acting dynamic and chemistry between Mac/Jack, Mac/Murdoc or Jack/Riley in the last few episodes is so much better then the "group gatherings". The actors are so good if they get enough "room" to do their acting.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 21 October 2017 - 03:42 PM|
From the preview, I had expected this Episode to follow a bit more of the "Nightmare"s Storyline; and I think they should have kept the story like that and made it a bit "simpler".
I still feel they're trying to pack too much into a single Episode. The rest should have been MacGyver trying to find a way out and the team trying to find him. Like with the bomb in last week's episode, I felt it was unnecessary to add the whole teacher storyline. They could have saved that along with Murdoc's intention to build a collective (probably going to be named HIT?) for later; e.g. the Midseason Finale.
|Posted by: Miasma 21 October 2017 - 06:57 PM|
Yeah, that's a good point, the teacher storyline did feel tacked on and made the story more convoluted than it needed to be. I have to admit, that was when my attention started to waver a bit.
|Posted by: Jediferret 22 October 2017 - 05:26 AM|
The scene with the convertible is from Three for the Road as well.
A lot of easter eggs in this one. lol
I was kinda hoping for a Nightmares type episode myself, but I guess we can't always get what we want. I was also kinda hoping the Murdoc vs MacGyver was a bit more personal in this one, instead of cheapening the whole thing with a recruitment of another assassin.
I did love the scene with Murdoc calling Cage, revealing she's hiding something and then proved her wrong by shooting her. Very satisfying moment actually... I don't know why either. Eh... *shrugs*
Of course, loved David Dastmalchian as Murdoc. God, he's awesome. I would love to see Michael Des Barres make a cameo with David. Imagine that kind of awesomeness! I love that MDB is so supportive of David too. It's great! Lots of respect for both of them!
Up until the teacher part, I liked this episode.
The son/grandpa scene was fine. I wasn't overly impressed or disappointed. Just one of those scenes that needed to be done to get information across.
And is it just me, or does Jack's emotional outbursts lately seem a tad out of place? It feels weird that he can't keep his composure. Everyone else is... so what's Jack's deal?
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 22 October 2017 - 06:32 AM|
George has always been the one doing all the "emotional work" in the show and he's very good at it. I was always a bit miffed we didn't see this with MacGyver; him being the main hero and all.
But you're right, it's different this season and people on social media have commented about it as well (mainly in a negative way, saying he should tone it down).
Not sure if this was done deliberately for a change in his character or not. Maybe some kind of anniversary coming up? Some private problems that are going to be part of an upcoming episode?
It could also be George being emotional, not Jack. He said in an interview done for the Season Premiere that he sometimes sat crying in his trailer because he misses his daughter so much. (He's separated from his baby mama and apparently, it's going to be an ugly divorce. His daughter is only 3 years old and living back in California, so I doubt he's seeing her that often.) These first episodes have been filmed in July - might have been the transition from moving back to Atlanta; especially because he didn't have the weekends off with voicing the Michael Jackson Halloween Special.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 22 October 2017 - 09:52 AM|
I'm sure he does. He was on set recently. They're filming Episode 2x11 right now (the "Chrismas Episode"), but I think it's maybe for the Midseason Finale (2x12) like last year.
And if he's really building up this collective, he's probably back for the Season Finale as well for the "big show down". Also, Lenkov said in an interview that we'll know who MacGyver's father is by the end of the Season. Murdoc mentiones MacGyver's father so often, there must be more behind it than just to taunt him.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 22 October 2017 - 09:54 AM|
I'm still a bit puzzled over this. Murdoc has lied before, so was this story actually true or not?
It could go either way - they could decide to bring her "back" in a later episode; stating that the story was all made up.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 22 October 2017 - 01:32 PM|
|Did anyone else think this was like the worst "safe-transport-vehicle" ever? Like they were all strapped in safely - but when the vehicle got upturned... shouldn't they have been hanging upside down; still strapped into their seats?|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 23 October 2017 - 12:23 PM|
|Final Ratings are in: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-friday-cable-originals-network-finals-10-20-2017.html|
|Posted by: Jediferret 26 October 2017 - 04:13 AM|
I was kinda wondering that myself. You can't trust anything Murdoc says. It always seems like he's got everywhere right where he wants them.
One thing that makes this interesting is that he tells Cage that he killed Murdoc and took his identity. If this reboot is any kind of continuation of the original, it would make you wonder if he, and how, he manged to kill the original Murdoc. Maybe the original Murdoc would come back and there'd be a Murdoc face off!
I'd totally watch it... XD
|Posted by: Miasma 26 October 2017 - 04:41 AM|
Is this reboot is any kind of continuation of the original series, there are MUCH bigger questions than how this Murdoc killed the original one!
But yeah, it would be awesome if Michael Des Barres showed up in this series. It seems safe to say RDA won't be appearing, and obviously Dana Elcar won't be, so Michael Des Barres or Bruce McGill would be great, and Des Barres seems more likely to do it. Maybe he could be Murdoc's superior at HIT. They could do a variation of the Halloween Knights episode, with Mac and Murdoc teaming up to take down Des Barres's character.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 26 October 2017 - 02:23 PM|
That would be amazing! People asked MDB since the beginning about the reboot and he always said he would be up for it, but that they haven't asked him so far.
So please, all you people involved in Casting - just ask him already!
|Posted by: Sanguine 27 October 2017 - 09:36 PM|
If they don't do a spin on Halloween Knights, then they're missing out on a huge opportunity.
Is anyone but me disappointed that Penny Parker wasn't in this episode? I mean, c'mon, it's not fair to throw "Penny" into the title and not have her show up somewhere!
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 28 October 2017 - 03:38 AM|
Oh, I definitely was!
But there was no evidence Bianca had been back on set at all this Season, so I kinda knew she wouldn't show up...
Definitely another missed opportunity. I think if they already made the effort to bring this character in, they should have used her more often. Like they should have used her and Bozer as recurring characters.
Then maybe make Bozer a regular for Season 2 and keeping her as a recurring one. I feel like changing the core team twice every half season (Thornton > Bozer > Matty > Cage) is a bit much.
But Episode 2x07 is titled "Duct Tape + Jack" and it will definitely be Jack that's used as a "tool" or "ingredient" for a MacGvverism.
|Posted by: Sanguine 28 October 2017 - 05:02 AM|
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. There isn't a whole lot of point in introducing a classic character and then not making any effort to make that appearance meaningful. If they weren't going to use her, they shouldn't have included her at all. At least the Coltons got a proper episode. They could've easily done the same with Penny.
Also, I agree about changing the regular team too often. It makes it hard to get used to the characters and get attached to them because they're always changing the dynamic. It's a lot of people to keep track of.
|Posted by: Sanguine 28 October 2017 - 05:12 AM|
| Is it just me, or was it a little too obvious that the team was playing into Murdoc's hands?
I mean, *obviously* Murdoc left that photo behind on purpose. Obviously, he wanted them to go after Fletcher. And I think it was obvious from the beginning that Fletcher wasn't innocent and they were walking into a trap.
Kinda like Mac escaping Murdoc's lair. He may have gotten out of that room on his own, but think about it: Mac was drugged and stumbling around, and breaking through that door made quite a bit of noise. How could Murdoc not hear that? And wouldn't it be easy for him to follow the splashing/stumbling sounds and recapture Mac? No. He wanted Mac to escape and track down the lair, and they didn't seem to realize that when Mac got back to Phoenix. Murdoc is too smart and he's run in with Mac too many times to have left him on his own. Mac escaping was part of Murdoc's plan all along. But the Phoenix team never even considered that as a possibility. At this point, shouldn't they have gotten past the point of underestimating Murdoc?
I mean, c'mon... Even the peanut allergy thing from last season was obvious. Obviously Murdoc was lying, because he would never openly show that kind of weakness. It's not in his character and it wouldn't make sense for a professional assassin to do that.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it drives me crazy when the Phoenix team just stumbles into stuff that Murdoc does when those kinds of things are very obviously a trap. C'mon, people! You're chasing down a homicidal maniac. If you want to win, you have to think like he does!
Shouldn't they be experienced enough to figure some of this stuff out on their own?
|Posted by: Dragondog 4 May 2018 - 12:14 PM|
I'm pretty sure Original Mac's dad was Harry's son-in-law, and Mac's mom was his daughter, not the other way around.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 17 October 2018 - 05:22 AM|
Oh, just saw your post now. Yeah, makes sense since he's called Harry JACKSON, not MacGyver. Duh me
|Posted by: MacGyverGod 17 October 2018 - 05:44 AM|
| Oh, another Murdoc episode already? We are so spoiled. Dastmalchian is already in his fifth episode.
This episode starts with a bang. Well maybe not quite with a bang. The start in Paris and Mac having a glass of wine on his own. I'm not sure on how I feel about making it clear that Mac needs Jack whether he likes it or not. The flashback of his childhood was great. Amazing how the actor who plays the grandfather is immediately gunned down again. So sad.
And for the record, yes: James MacGyver is Harry Jackson's son-in-law and Ellen MacGyver is his daughter. So her maiden name is actually Ellen Jackson. She clearly calls him dad in Passages. I don't know yet how it goes for this version, maybe he is the son.
Back to the flashback scene. I do have to say his first line spoken gave me a bit a cold feeling. It gave me the idea his relationship with his grandfather was also a little distant until they started on the paperclip and the grandfather gave him the Swiss Army Knife. More I can't say about the grandfather. He was not in there long enough but since MacGyver obviously has father issues and grandfather gave a first distant look, I had the idea this MacGyver may have had a not so warm home.
Then, bam, Murdoc kidnaps him and the first half of the episode is dark and reminiscent of Nightmares. He's taken, drugged, alone and needs to escape. All very MacGyverish. But I think they should've made the whole episode about him alone and the team looking for him. That whole teacher thing in the second half kinda came out of the blue and didn't make much sense at first until the very end. So Murdoc is recruiting? Is this the beginning of Homicide International Trust?
Wasn't so hot on Bozer insisting to tag along with Jack and Cage. The guy practically crapped his pants the first time he met Murdoc.
I also liked the fact that Cage apparently is not who she says she is and that Murdoc knows about this and he proved her wrong about him by simply shooting her. I'm sure he didn't kill the actual Murdoc but a Murdoc because if he did kill the actual Murdoc he might in a lot of troubles.
The ending with the rocket launcher was great and let's just say a nod to The Wasteland instead of Strictly Business. Again MacGyver was not harmed, no head injury, scratch, bruise or blood just like in The Wasteland while he was practically sitting on the bomb while in Strictly Business half his face was covered in blood, even bleeding out of his ear. But who knows maybe in later episodes.
When it comes to Murdoc's stories, not everything will always be a lie just because he lied about the peanuts, which I bought btw. I mean the story, not that I bought peanuts.
I also don't think it's too obvious the team are playing in Murdoc's hands. Seems only natural that whatever comes up from whoever it is and maybe especially Murdoc that they would go out to investigate, even if it means it's a trap. Sometimes it's better to snap the trap than not risking it and making a mistake.
|Posted by: Dragondog 17 October 2018 - 06:28 PM|
To be fair, he didn't have a clue who Murdoc was when they first met, or even that Mac was involved in spy stuff. Who wouldn't have been freaked?
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 11 April 2019 - 10:07 PM|
|Blog Post by Technical Advisor Rhett Allain about the MacGyverisms in this episode: https://rhettallain.com/2019/04/11/macgyver-season-2-episode-4-science-notes-x-ray-penny/|