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Posted: 19 May 2016 - 08:24 AM                                    
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Aha. Noted. Well might as well try to be positive about this so decided to update my avatar. biggrin.gif

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The more I watch the trailer the more I love it... And the more the general hatred of the idea by youtubers and facebookers scare me I really don't want this show to join the looooooooong list of shows I love and no one else does...

But hey arrow worked out one and it's on season 4 with season 5 gaurenteed so maybe there is hope.

 
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Wow this is getting the same kind of hate and comments like the new Ghostbusters. damn blink.gif


this kind of feedback is not good at all

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I viewed the trailer, it's not my preference, as it is not RDA playing the part any longer.

Despite everything I stay opposed to this new series, yet then again, I do agree that this will be loved amongst a hefty portion of the adolescent and grown-ups as well. Despite everything I stay near the original series, as I grew up watching it on TV. MacGyver was my role model and has affected my life massively! The reboot is by all accounts working out well right now, yet as I would like to think, the likelihood of the show losing prevalence after some time is a high risk, the same number of individuals have communicated an aversion towards the show. Everything I can say until further notice is that we should wait for the pilot to air then make judgements. biggrin.gif

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A fan edit with the music from the original series replacing what we had and I like it ten times more now smile.gif




If I have the time (and can get first look footage off the Internet as well as maybe a scene or two from first class), I plan on doing a credits sequence as if you add a bit of the original clips I should have enough...

As for the comments yeah this is insane thank God the bond films existed before the Internet. I just don't get the hate I mean I love Macgyver1985 for his honesty and kindness regarding this

"It's not for me because RDA isn't Mac but I hope everyone else enjoys it, and the show succeeds" God what a refreshing attitude why can't more people be like that. 1985 if your ever in the Connecticut area reach out I owe you a beer for your honest but kind approach smile.gif

 
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Posted: 19 May 2016 - 10:15 AM                                    
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We're not going to like it if we don't accept the changes. I always will agree that first actor who got the part is the actual character. RDA will always be MacGyver, Tom Selleck will always be Thomas Magnum and Harrison Ford will always be Indiana Jones. Will it ever be better than our original? No. Can it live up to it? Perhaps but it'll always be second place but it can be all it wants to be on his own. This is just the MacGyver for the new generation, just as there was Star Wars in the 70's/80's for the then generation and the Star Wars in the 90's/00's for actually my generation and JJ Abrams Star Wars movies for the younger generation which in my experience was very or even more accessible than the old ones.

After this trailer, I willing to give it a chance.

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Posted: 19 May 2016 - 10:21 AM                                    
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I agree with MacGyverGod, nothing will EVER replace the original or RDA for me - but I am also willing to give this a shot in its own right after watching the trailer. Apart from a few niggles that can easily be sorted, I enjoyed it.

I also agree with the fact that the trailer REALLY needed some form of the original theme to get us all in the right mindset! Come on CBS, if Mac is really back give us our theme ! biggrin.gif wink.gif

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I haven't seen the promo yet, nor much else other than a few still and the synopsis. I'm of the mind that Mac, in any form, or retelling is a good thing. Mac isn't a real person, more an icon now. Using the mind instead of brute force to accomplish good and positive outcomes. I enjoy those old Macgyver episode where Mac was more of a spy but I also like the overarching message that the mind is a powerful tool. smile.gif I'm hoping that the new show will retain the spirit of the old. The rest, the details, the hair etc, just details. smile.gif

 
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I just realized something about the trailer: When I watch it, I see Lincoln, and he immediately reminds me of Lincoln Burrows from "Prison Break," and then I find myself thinking, "Oh, right, 'Prison Break' is coming back! Cool!", and I kind of forget about MacGyver. So, actually, this trailer is getting me more psyched up for Prison Break than it is for MacGyver. (yes, I'm weird, I know.)

 
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It was only a matter of time.....

Can't say I really like this but their heart was in the right place.


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Yes, the trailer gets a LOT of hate and that concerns me a bit, too.

Of course, disappointed and angry people are very vocal and tend do comment more on social media. But so far I haven't found a single positive view in German or French, for example and these rants will influence how others see this.

While a lot of the ranting is a bit useless (e.g. on the "Inception-Bääääääääääm" in the trailer that's really been overdone with trailers in general in the past) and on things that might change anyway (e.g. hair length), that's some serious pressure on CBS.

A lots of these ranting people will tune in anyway for the trailer just to see if its really as bad as they expected it to be. I don't mind that CBS aims at a younger, modern viewer but they shouldn't forget that a lot of regular TV shows viewers watched Original MacGyver while growing up. They really need to hook them, too - they need a large enough audience to keep the show from getting canceled and for that, they need to keep the tones of the original (at leas for the first few episodes) - otherwise, it's just another action show.

They did something very clever with the new logo - while there isn't a SAK in the trailer and new viewers might not care about that now, anyone who knows the original show recognizes the logo. It would have been clever to do some more of that - like a notion to the theme song or mentions of hating guns. I'm not sure if the trailer managed to make the viewers curious about the show and it's hero. I guess the only thing that stands out from other action TV is the arrow and the parachute jump - but is that really enough for today where there's so many TV shows around?

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Yep. I agree with your comments Dash.

Something else which I noticed a bit of a vibe for in the comments around the trailer is that this MacGyver seems a lot more cocky and sure of himself than the RDA one.

Now it's true that in season one we saw a more cocky MacGyver than later as he mellowed and it's probably a pretty good guess that if we worked back 10 years from the RDA season 1 we would probably have that level of cockiness. I personally don't have an issue with this if they are planning on mellowing him out as the show goes on, but whats apparent from some of the comments is that the cockiness feels like it's alienating people right off the bat, so it may not have been the best idea to present that in the trailer you trying to encourage the fans to watch your new show with.

With a show this well known around the world I would be listening to the chatter from fans and trying my best to smooth over their fears with any promotional material I presented. It would seem that if they were trying to do that, they may have either missed the mark a bit or not considered that response.


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QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 20 May 2016 - 11:11 AM)
Now it's true that in season one we saw a more cocky MacGyver than later as he mellowed and it's probably a pretty good guess that if we worked back 10 years from the RDA season 1 we would probably have that level of cockiness.

I never noticed Mac's cockiness in the first season until I started rewatching while listening to the Phoenix Foundation Podcast - probably because I've never wached the show in English before and only knew the episodes in the German dubbed version, but also because I didn't pick up on it when I was younger.

Why I don't mind a more cocky MacGyver, the hate on his "smugness" and "smarmyness" might indeed be a problem. People commenting how they want to punch him right into his "cocky face" - people who are maybe double his age - that's some serious hate right there...

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I didn't jump for joy at the trailer. I mentioned in my previous post that if i was in the directors chair, i would have done things differently.

For one, i would have shown an emotional side to the character in a small snippet. Mainly because whether this is new or not, its still a reboot of a well known character. People may not know Lucas Till. But they KNOW MacGyver. Therefore people need to connect to the character. Not his "methods". His methods are what made him unique. But he had an unpredictable nature to him. Optimistic, funny and charming, can-do and anxious to help others. Even in season 1.

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QUOTE (Macgyver12186 @ 20 May 2016 - 01:13 AM)
Kiwi I am sorry you don't like it and I do hope the rest of the show you and everyone here likes as well

When did I say I personally had an issue with it? Did you read my comment? Did you notice the bit where I said those comments were from people on facebook?

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QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 20 May 2016 - 11:11 AM)
With a show this well known around the world I would be listening to the chatter from fans and trying my best to smooth over their fears with any promotional material I presented. It would seem that if they were trying to do that, they may have either missed the mark a bit or not considered that response.

I'm sure CBS expected some backlash - I mean, that's probably in "Reboot 101". People ranted when the reboot was announced, they ranted about the cast (especially Lucas) and they commented often negative when we got the first stills.

Yet I do wonder if they expected this much hate for the trailer. I really hope they listen the worries of the original fans - if they really go all the way and spend money to recast and reshoot, they should do it right (or at least do it better).

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I totally agree.

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Maybe I'm not the typical audience, but even if I wasn't a MacGyver fan and didn't know the original show I don't think I would have been interested in watching the show after this trailer.

There is something fundamental missing there because it just appears to be the usual action show. It's difficult to name it (and even more difficult to explain it since English is not my native language) but probably it is the fact that we don't get anything from the characters besides that they seem to be quite intelligent, tech-savvy and not afraid. What's special about that? Yes, MacGyver seems to have some PTSD-background; but that's in every TV-hero's background nowadays. I don't care about these people (yet).

I have to admit that I don't like modern blockbusters and I rarely watch any superhero and actions movies that should be watched on a big screen (e.g. Transformers or Avengers). It's just about these huge explosions and CGI stuff and which studio is able to do something that was never there before. It's never about the characters.

I used to think my preference for 80's and 90's movies might be because of nostalgia but that's just not it. Modern movies rely so much on CGI and to get as many movie stars in a single movie as possible that they forget to flesh out the characters and their stories. They're introduced and killed off so fast for plot twists and shock effects that I don't even care anymore (meh, another one dead... but hey, they were just another 10 explosions and gun fights, I don't have the time to think about that poor guy who just got shot).

I was never a sci-fi fan and only got into Stargate SG-1 last year after rewatching MacGyver. I used to laugh quite a bit about some silly and cheap CGI things until listening to the audio commentaries from director PeterDeLuise. He's aware of that and comments about how the modern viewers are used to something better with a bigger budget and that they hate it when there's a big explosion or a helicopter or an alien vessel taking off in the show, they plan on an actor's face (because often they didn't have the budget to afford the CGI or the helicopter). Yet the show shouldn't be about that huge alien vessel - it should be about the character and his emotions and how he deals with the fact that e.g. his team member just got abducted in this big alien ship. In fact, the characters are so well fleshed out that every one of them can pull off an episode alone (which was a relief when RDA reduced his on-screen time more and more).

Every one of the team-members of SG-1 could easily have had his own spin-off series. And the same can be said about the original MacGyver show: I can totally imagine a MacGyver-Spinoff with Jack, with Murdoc *lol*, Penny, the Coltons or even Pete. I don't see that possibility with this trailer because I don't feel anything for the characters and I'm not really curious about them; not even the hero. I hope that will change when we get a new trailer or the first clip released, otherwise, I'm not sure how the show will survive the competition with other action shows.

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Posted: 20 May 2016 - 04:31 AM                                    
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It looks like an interesting action show, but it's not MacGyver. Just like I figured, there's more violence in the trailer than there was in the entire run of the original show. Might be an interesting watch, but glad I have my DVDs. But to each their own...I'm pretty sure it should draw a crowd.

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One thing I'll say in defense of the trailer: Although a lot of people have criticized it for making Mac seem more violent (particularly with his bow & arrow trick), there is a brief scene which shows another side to him. When he asks Lincoln how he got the passcard, Lincoln says he had to kill someone, and Mac gives him a shocked look until Lincoln assures him he was just kidding. It's subtle, but I think it's an indication that Mac isn't going to be Jack Bauer.

Regarding his cockiness: Actually, I thought that was pretty much true to Mac's character. As Kiwi mentioned, Mac was quite cocky in the first season, and this is showing Mac at an even younger age, so it makes sense. But it needs to be handled with some moderation, or it will just get annoying. If he acts like nothing ever phases him and thinks he's always smarter than everyone else, he'll be an obnoxious protagonist, and I'll probably find myself wanting him to fail, which is obviously not a good thing.

 
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I'm also not sure how much we can judge the first episode based on this trailer.

The trailer for the new CBS-show "Bull" was almost 5 minutes long - it's like a mini movie telling the whole plot of the first episode. The MacGyver-Trailer is quite fast-paced and action-heavy. They probably cut a lot out they had initially wanted to show after the big announcement about recasting. If they're going to recast anyway, there's no point in introducing e.g. MacGyver supposed best friend (Josh Boone). I guess they just took what they assumed might stay in the pilot and added some more action...

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I'm on the same page, we just can't judge until the first episode it's released- but at the same time I know this is a business, they are trying to create a good product to sell. Somehow I'd like to be a relevant show, so maybe someday we will get the full Blue Rays with extras that I'd like to have. smile.gif

 
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I don't mind some swagger/cockiness, but they should also give the character some depth/seriousness and should be careful not to make him too much of a caricature. Jerry Freedman (director of the original pilot) said about RDA:

A lot of what made the character work, besides the good writing, was Richard. He had good comic timing and brought a nice sense of irony and reality to the role. It could have been cartoonish and sitcomy, but he made it seem real.

That's well said, and while I don't want to nitpick too much at this stage about individual lines, the part in the trailer where he's on the plane and asks about the q-tip and the bubble gum seems to me to play into that cartoonish feel and I hope they don't go too far down that road.

 
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QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 19 May 2016 - 09:11 PM)
It was only a matter of time.....

Can't say I really like this but their heart was in the right place.


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People's opinion about the new Macgyver trailer on the RDA forums...

This was my primary concern about this new reboot, the same number of individuals express an aversion towards it.


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The more I see of this junk, the angrier I get.  :x It feels like an insult to all original MacGyver fans like they're making a mockery of the show. Not only that, but it seems like an insult to RDA's legacy, as well. He made that character what it was. If it wasn't for him, I doubt the show would have been the success it was. Like vampires, they want to feed off the quality of the original. It's all about money to them, really, nothing more. How disgusting. How to lame that they can't think of their ideas for a change.

No, I will not be wasting my time watching this garbage MacGyver-in-name only, and I don't care if it's a massive hit and wins a ton of awards--it's still imitation MacGyver, like imitation cheese--all fluff and no substance. Oh--and flat and tasteless. I need to go watch some real MacGyver to get the awful taste out of my mouth. Yuck!

No...just...no.  :roll:


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Not Mac this is simply AWFUL!!!! No way will I see this. You see this kind of s..t. in the movies all
the time. Very disappointed they spent any $ at all making this garbage. The character is simply out of
Mac's standards. Thumbs down on this attempt.


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The one thing that this show does is reinforce the lack of creativity in Hollywood today. There have been so many "revivals" of old movies and shows it's ridiculous. However, I am thinking about watching the first episode because I'm a little curious how they're going to handle the technology (or lack of) in the show.

"I guess the way you look at the world depends on where you are. From up here it looked like a pretty nice place." - MacGyver (Eagles)

 
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A lot of people asked on Twitter if this trailer was some kind of parody or compared it to MacGruber.

I've never seen the MacGruber-movie (not even sure if it's available in German; never seen the DVD in stores or the movie on TV), but I'm pretty sure that's NOT a nice compliment...

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QUOTE (Macgyver1985 @ 21 May 2016 - 05:14 AM)
People's opinion about the new Macgyver trailer on the RDA forums...

This was my primary concern about this new reboot, the same number of individuals express an aversion towards it.


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The more I see of this junk, the angrier I get.  :x It feels like an insult to all original MacGyver fans like they're making a mockery of the show. Not only that, but it feels like an insult to RDA's legacy, as well. He made that character what it is. If it wasn't for him, I doubt the show would have been the success it was. Like vampires, they want to feed off the quality of the original. It's all about money to them, really, nothing more. How disgusting. How to lame that they can't think of their own ideas for a change.

No, I will not be wasting my time watching this garbage MacGyver-in-name only, and I don't care if it's a massive hit and wins a ton of awards--it's still imitation MacGyver, like imitation cheese--all fluff and no substance. Oh--and flat and tasteless. I need to go watch some real MacGyver to get the awful taste out of my mouth. Yuck!

No...just...no.  :roll:


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Not Mac this is simply AWFUL!!!! No way will I see this. You see this kind of s..t. in the movies all
the time. Very disappointed they spent any $ at all making this garbage. The character is simply
out of Mac's standards. Thumbs down on this attempt.


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The one thing that this show does is reinforce the lack of creativity in Hollywood today. There have been so many "revivals" of old movies and shows it's ridiculous. However, I am thinking about watching the first episode because I'm a little curious how they're going to handle the technology (or lack of) in the show.

Sheesh... these people sound like a bunch of toddlers throwing a temper tantrum.

Not liking the trailer is perfectly fine, but some fans go WAY over the top, acting as if the original show is something sacred, and as if any attempt to remake it is some kind of blasphemous moral offense.

And that one person saying, "It's all fluff and no substance." What, exactly, are they basing that on? We saw less than 2 minutes of footage! If you took two minutes of action footage from the original series, it would look pretty vacuous, too.


 
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I completely agree also Miasma,

I have read with great interest peoples views and opinions (here on this website and further a field). While all this is great and therapeutic for some. Others are complete and utter hypoc****s.

These are the same people that go and see the latest James Bond, watch Doctor Who, and look forward to the latest iPhone. If we never tried in our attempt to remake things... the iPhone would not exist. And I could include other examples, but I won't.

We need to take a moment and stop comparing this new series to the past. CBS own the rights to the original show, they continue to show the original....And the DVD is available to watch for prosperity.

We need to see this for what it is... a new series, a new take, a new interpretation and a new direction.

Take a look at this, how 24 fans are reacting to their re-casting. They certainly are coming across as more mature, and open to their reboot.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/24/news/a7948...-first-trailer/

MacGyver fans who believe this reboot has affected or ruined their childhood? PLEASE?

ALL...CBS want to do is to re-ignite this amazing character and continue his adventures for a new audience, who may not know who MacGyver even is.

And I for one appreciate the hard work and efforts they are going too. The promo looks good and the fact they are making improvements to the cast and script from there means it can only get even better.

 
                                                                     
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Those comments from the RDA forums don't surprise me. None of them will support the reboot, and I can guarantee that. I used to be a regular poster over there for a short time but left because I wasn't enough of a fangirl and didn't fit in. lol

*sigh* I'll be in my corner...

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Those comments from the RDA forums don't surprise me. None of them will support the reboot, and I can guarantee that.

Well, if CBS gets RDA for a cameo, that sure would change whistle.gif

It's one reason why I would have like a sequel better; e.g. if the protagonist was Sam's son or daughter and therefore MacGyver's grandson or granddaughter. We could have had lots of interesting cameos in it, even if it was for a single episode.

I'm pretty sure Dalton James, Michael des Barres or Bruce McGill or some minor characters from the original would have been on board for that.

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