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QUOTE (Sanguine @ 9 January 2018 - 07:22 PM)
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So while reading random facts online today, I read something that says that men who post more selfies are more likely to become serial killers. Not sure if I believe it or not, but it DOES fit Murdoc pretty well, doesn't it? hmm.bmp

In some ways, yes. Murdoc does take an awful lot of photographs. My best guess would be that people who take a high number of selfies sometimes score higher on psychological tests for traits like Narcissism and other psychological issues. Those same traits are also commonly (but not always) found in serial killers.
I wouldn't at all be surprised if Murdoc were diagnosed with narcissism or something, but he's definitely not a serial killer. Zito would be, I guess, but not Murdoc.

Murdoc didn't take selfies. He photographed his kills.

 
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QUOTE (beth @ 10 January 2018 - 04:03 PM)
Murdoc didn't take selfies. He photographed his kills.

True. He does seem a bit too practical to take photos of himself for no reason, doesn't he? He might see it as a waste of film.

Reboot Murdoc might snap one every now and then, just to be snarky.

 
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QUOTE (Sanguine @ 10 January 2018 - 03:44 PM)
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Murdoc didn't take selfies. He photographed his kills.

True. He does seem a bit too practical to take photos of himself for no reason, doesn't he? He might see it as a waste of film.

Reboot Murdoc might snap one every now and then, just to be snarky.

And to get with the times. It cracked me up in "Hole Puncher" when he told MacGyver, "You'll have to improvise. Isn't that supposed to be, you know, like... your THING?" Original Murdoc would probably never say it quite like that.

 
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QUOTE (Dragondog @ 10 January 2018 - 05:00 PM)
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Murdoc didn't take selfies. He photographed his kills.

True. He does seem a bit too practical to take photos of himself for no reason, doesn't he? He might see it as a waste of film.

Reboot Murdoc might snap one every now and then, just to be snarky.

And to get with the times. It cracked me up in "Hole Puncher" when he told MacGyver, "You'll have to improvise. Isn't that supposed to be, you know, like... your THING?" Original Murdoc would probably never say it quite like that.

Ha!!!! No, you're right. The original Murdoc would be much too refined to phrase it that way. I'd forgotten about that part. Reboot Murdoc cracks me up sometimes. Nothing compares to the original, but Dastmalchian is a very good actor. laugh.gif

I really like the way that both Murdocs are very sarcastic and witty. It just adds to their confident villain personas.

 
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QUOTE (Sanguine @ 10 January 2018 - 09:35 PM)
QUOTE (Dragondog @ 10 January 2018 - 05:00 PM)
QUOTE (Sanguine @ 10 January 2018 - 03:44 PM)
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Murdoc didn't take selfies. He photographed his kills.

True. He does seem a bit too practical to take photos of himself for no reason, doesn't he? He might see it as a waste of film.

Reboot Murdoc might snap one every now and then, just to be snarky.

And to get with the times. It cracked me up in "Hole Puncher" when he told MacGyver, "You'll have to improvise. Isn't that supposed to be, you know, like... your THING?" Original Murdoc would probably never say it quite like that.

Ha!!!! No, you're right. The original Murdoc would be much too refined to phrase it that way. I'd forgotten about that part. Reboot Murdoc cracks me up sometimes. Nothing compares to the original, but Dastmalchian is a very good actor. laugh.gif

I really like the way that both Murdocs are very sarcastic and witty. It just adds to their confident villain personas.

I love Dastmalchian a lot, but he seriously creeps me out, more so than MDB's version ever did. Sometimes I wonder how Dastmalchian can keep his eyes in the sockets. They're HUGE! unsure.gif Boy, I hope he doesn't read these forum posts... I would regret posting this.

 
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QUOTE (Dragondog @ 11 January 2018 - 04:05 PM)
I love Dastmalchian a lot, but he seriously creeps me out, more so than MDB's version ever did. Sometimes I wonder how Dastmalchian can keep his eyes in the sockets. They're HUGE!  unsure.gif  Boy, I hope he doesn't read these forum posts... I would regret posting this.

Hey, ya never know. wink.gif

I think part of the creep factor is that Reboot Murdoc is much more of a madman, in some ways, than the original Murdoc. The original Murdoc was a killer for hire, and sure, he enjoyed his job, but he didn't just kill people for the heck of it, and he usually tried to keep innocent people out of the crossfire. Reboot Murdoc has no such scruples. He seems much less emotional (or at least, much more controlled) and a little more sadistic than the original Murdoc. Not to mention that Reboot Murdoc is way more secretive and sneaky than the original.

One of my favorite ever Reboot Murdoc moments was when Baby Mac ran into the interrogation room and shouted, "You kill people for free?! And he just grinned and said, "Sometimes." roller.gif The original Murdoc didn't have the luxury of killing people for free. He actually did need the money! laugh.gif

 
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QUOTE (Sanguine @ 11 January 2018 - 04:03 PM)
QUOTE (Dragondog @ 11 January 2018 - 04:05 PM)
I love Dastmalchian a lot, but he seriously creeps me out, more so than MDB's version ever did. Sometimes I wonder how Dastmalchian can keep his eyes in the sockets. They're HUGE!  unsure.gif  Boy, I hope he doesn't read these forum posts... I would regret posting this.

Hey, ya never know. wink.gif

I think part of the creep factor is that Reboot Murdoc is much more of a madman, in some ways, than the original Murdoc. The original Murdoc was a killer for hire, and sure, he enjoyed his job, but he didn't just kill people for the heck of it, and he usually tried to keep innocent people out of the crossfire. Reboot Murdoc has no such scruples. He seems much less emotional (or at least, much more controlled) and a little more sadistic than the original Murdoc. Not to mention that Reboot Murdoc is way more secretive and sneaky than the original.

One of my favorite ever Reboot Murdoc moments was when Baby Mac ran into the interrogation room and shouted, "You kill people for free?! And he just grinned and said, "Sometimes." roller.gif The original Murdoc didn't have the luxury of killing people for free. He actually did need the money! laugh.gif

I don't think rebooted Murdoc is 100% evil, though he's definitely worse than the original (in a good way). Rebooted Murdoc clearly cares about his son, even though he tried to hide it. I think some of his cruelty is something of an act. I think that was true of the original, too.

Also, sometimes I think about how hilarious it would be if some of the users on this site were undercover actors. blink.gif I seriously doubt it, but it's fun to think about.

 
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MDB confirmed on his facebook page today that he will indeed be making an appearance in the MacGyver reboot! He will be playing a mentor to the new Murdoc. This is one episode that for me is a must-see!

 
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QUOTE (beth @ 12 January 2018 - 01:29 PM)
MDB confirmed on his facebook page today that he will indeed be making an appearance in the MacGyver reboot! He will be playing a mentor to the new Murdoc. This is one episode that for me is a must-see!

Mentor, huh? Definitely a "Halloween Knights" reboot. happy_dance.gif happy_dance.gif happy_dance.gif

 
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QUOTE (beth @ 12 January 2018 - 02:29 PM)
MDB confirmed on his facebook page today that he will indeed be making an appearance in the MacGyver reboot! He will be playing a mentor to the new Murdoc. This is one episode that for me is a must-see!

Yyyyyeeesss!!!! I did a little happy dance when I saw that. MDB and Dastmalchian both posted pictures on their Instagram accounts, and MDB posted on his Twitter, too. Is it just me, or does Reboot Murdoc look a wee bit scared, or at least in respectful awe, of MDB in that photo? wink.gif

I'm just so excited that I can hardly wait! happy_dance.gif

 
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QUOTE (Dragondog @ 11 January 2018 - 06:44 PM)
QUOTE (Sanguine @ 11 January 2018 - 04:03 PM)
QUOTE (Dragondog @ 11 January 2018 - 04:05 PM)
I love Dastmalchian a lot, but he seriously creeps me out, more so than MDB's version ever did. Sometimes I wonder how Dastmalchian can keep his eyes in the sockets. They're HUGE!  unsure.gif  Boy, I hope he doesn't read these forum posts... I would regret posting this.

Hey, ya never know. wink.gif

I think part of the creep factor is that Reboot Murdoc is much more of a madman, in some ways, than the original Murdoc. The original Murdoc was a killer for hire, and sure, he enjoyed his job, but he didn't just kill people for the heck of it, and he usually tried to keep innocent people out of the crossfire. Reboot Murdoc has no such scruples. He seems much less emotional (or at least, much more controlled) and a little more sadistic than the original Murdoc. Not to mention that Reboot Murdoc is way more secretive and sneaky than the original.

One of my favorite ever Reboot Murdoc moments was when Baby Mac ran into the interrogation room and shouted, "You kill people for free?! And he just grinned and said, "Sometimes." roller.gif The original Murdoc didn't have the luxury of killing people for free. He actually did need the money! laugh.gif

I don't think rebooted Murdoc is 100% evil, though he's definitely worse than the original (in a good way). Rebooted Murdoc clearly cares about his son, even though he tried to hide it. I think some of his cruelty is something of an act. I think that was true of the original, too.

Also, sometimes I think about how hilarious it would be if some of the users on this site were undercover actors. blink.gif I seriously doubt it, but it's fun to think about.

Oh, he's definitely not totally evil. But he is very gleeful about his wickedness, which makes me smile.
Yeah, I agree that they both put up a lot of barriers. They put up a front and hide behind half-truths and lies. It's probably necessary for their survival.

But, you know, since you mentioned Murdoc's son: it bothers me every time that Matty & Baby Mac & the gang don't seem to understand why Murdoc wants his son so badly. They seem to think that it's unreasonable for him to want to be in control of Cassian's life and they act like he's some kind of danger to his own child. But Murdoc is very obviously a concerned father just like any other reasonable man would be, so why did they act surprised when he reacted with anger towards them using Cassian as a bargaining chip?

Personally, I think it'd be funny if the kid turns out to be just as crazy as his daddy. Joke's on you, Baby Mac! wink.gif

I think about that sometimes, too. If I were a professional actor, or even a professional writer whose work got picked up as a TV show or a movie or something, I would definitely be stalking the fan forums, at least at first. laugh.gif
I know for a fact that some of the writers and actors out there are very tuned into their fandoms. The Psych writers and actors are especially good at that, because they *always* find ways to sneak Easter eggs about fan theories and fan terms into the show. So it's all but certain that they stalk the fansites. I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that the people who create other shows sometimes do the same thing.

 
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QUOTE (Sanguine @ 12 January 2018 - 10:19 PM)
QUOTE (beth @ 12 January 2018 - 02:29 PM)
MDB confirmed on his facebook page today that he will indeed be making an appearance in the MacGyver reboot!  He will be playing a mentor to the new Murdoc. This is one episode that for me is a must-see!

Yyyyyeeesss!!!! I did a little happy dance when I saw that. MDB and Dastmalchian both posted pictures on their Instagram accounts, and MDB posted on his Twitter, too. Is it just me, or does Reboot Murdoc look a wee bit scared, or at least in respectful awe, of MDB in that photo? wink.gif

I'm just so excited that I can hardly wait! happy_dance.gif

I'm SO glad you noticed that too! Murdoc DOES look a little afraid of MDB's character. I watched the 2 Gotham episodes David Dastmalchian guest starred in. He was a henchman of the Joker, and was terrified of his boss. I thought the picture of the two Murdocs reminded me of Gotham.

 
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QUOTE (Sanguine @ 12 January 2018 - 10:28 PM)
QUOTE (Dragondog @ 11 January 2018 - 06:44 PM)
QUOTE (Sanguine @ 11 January 2018 - 04:03 PM)
QUOTE (Dragondog @ 11 January 2018 - 04:05 PM)
I love Dastmalchian a lot, but he seriously creeps me out, more so than MDB's version ever did. Sometimes I wonder how Dastmalchian can keep his eyes in the sockets. They're HUGE!  unsure.gif  Boy, I hope he doesn't read these forum posts... I would regret posting this.

Hey, ya never know. wink.gif

I think part of the creep factor is that Reboot Murdoc is much more of a madman, in some ways, than the original Murdoc. The original Murdoc was a killer for hire, and sure, he enjoyed his job, but he didn't just kill people for the heck of it, and he usually tried to keep innocent people out of the crossfire. Reboot Murdoc has no such scruples. He seems much less emotional (or at least, much more controlled) and a little more sadistic than the original Murdoc. Not to mention that Reboot Murdoc is way more secretive and sneaky than the original.

One of my favorite ever Reboot Murdoc moments was when Baby Mac ran into the interrogation room and shouted, "You kill people for free?! And he just grinned and said, "Sometimes." roller.gif The original Murdoc didn't have the luxury of killing people for free. He actually did need the money! laugh.gif

I don't think rebooted Murdoc is 100% evil, though he's definitely worse than the original (in a good way). Rebooted Murdoc clearly cares about his son, even though he tried to hide it. I think some of his cruelty is something of an act. I think that was true of the original, too.

Also, sometimes I think about how hilarious it would be if some of the users on this site were undercover actors. blink.gif I seriously doubt it, but it's fun to think about.

Oh, he's definitely not totally evil. But he is very gleeful about his wickedness, which makes me smile.
Yeah, I agree that they both put up a lot of barriers. They put up a front and hide behind half-truths and lies. It's probably necessary for their survival.

But, you know, since you mentioned Murdoc's son: it bothers me every time that Matty & Baby Mac & the gang don't seem to understand why Murdoc wants his son so badly. They seem to think that it's unreasonable for him to want to be in control of Cassian's life and they act like he's some kind of danger to his own child. But Murdoc is very obviously a concerned father just like any other reasonable man would be, so why did they act surprised when he reacted with anger towards them using Cassian as a bargaining chip?

Personally, I think it'd be funny if the kid turns out to be just as crazy as his daddy. Joke's on you, Baby Mac! wink.gif

I think about that sometimes, too. If I were a professional actor, or even a professional writer whose work got picked up as a TV show or a movie or something, I would definitely be stalking the fan forums, at least at first. laugh.gif
I know for a fact that some of the writers and actors out there are very tuned into their fandoms. The Psych writers and actors are especially good at that, because they *always* find ways to sneak Easter eggs about fan theories and fan terms into the show. So it's all but certain that they stalk the fansites. I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that the people who create other shows sometimes do the same thing.

After watching "X-ray + Penny", I've been wondering if rebooted Murdoc's greatest fear is losing his son's respect. When Mac said, "After Cassian finds out the truth about you, he won't want anything to do with you." Murdoc's response of, "You're wrong, sons need their fathers! You're living proof of that." had me wondering. Murdoc's expression looked almost panicked, like Mac just hit the nail on the head. And why else would he be so worried about his son knowing what he does for a living?

 
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QUOTE (Dragondog @ 13 January 2018 - 04:47 PM)
After watching "X-ray + Penny", I've been wondering if rebooted Murdoc's greatest fear is losing his son's respect. When Mac said, "After Cassian finds out the truth about you, he won't want anything to do with you." Murdoc's response of, "You're wrong, sons need their fathers! You're living proof of that." had me wondering. Murdoc's expression looked almost panicked, like Mac just hit the nail on the head. And why else would he be so worried about his son knowing what he does for a living?

That wouldn't surprise me at all. The original Murdoc seemed to feel the same way about Ashton, given what he said to MacGyver at the beginning of "Halloween Knights." He said that "she certainly doesn't know what I do for a living." So he obviously wanted to keep the truth from her as well. Now, that may have been for her protection instead of any regard for her opinion of him, but something tells me that as much as Murdoc loves his sister, he'd also never want to do anything that would harm her view of him. Nobody wants to be rejected by their own family.

 
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New info straight from MDB himself on his facebook page!! He will appear in the MacGyver reboot episode that is airing on 2/2. This character must be really something because his post reads "bad to worse" with pictures of him as classic Murdoc and the current character.

 
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QUOTE (Sanguine @ 14 January 2018 - 09:45 PM)
QUOTE (Dragondog @ 13 January 2018 - 04:47 PM)
After watching "X-ray + Penny", I've been wondering if rebooted Murdoc's greatest fear is losing his son's respect. When Mac said, "After Cassian finds out the truth about you, he won't want anything to do with you." Murdoc's response of, "You're wrong, sons need their fathers! You're living proof of that." had me wondering. Murdoc's expression looked almost panicked, like Mac just hit the nail on the head. And why else would he be so worried about his son knowing what he does for a living?

That wouldn't surprise me at all. The original Murdoc seemed to feel the same way about Ashton, given what he said to MacGyver at the beginning of "Halloween Knights." He said that "she certainly doesn't know what I do for a living." So he obviously wanted to keep the truth from her as well. Now, that may have been for her protection instead of any regard for her opinion of him, but something tells me that as much as Murdoc loves his sister, he'd also never want to do anything that would harm her view of him. Nobody wants to be rejected by their own family.

I always thought that that just goes to show how much Murdoc really loved Ashton. He always tried to pretend that he had no love for anyone, no true weaknesses. He was so worried about his sister that he was willing to ask MacGyver's help, even though that meant letting his emotion show a bit. He wanted MacGyver to see that he really cared about her and wasn't kidding around.

As for rebooted Murdoc, I think Cassian will eventually find out the truth about his dad. The whole, "We'll tell him the truth if you don't cooperate" bit followed by Murdoc's reluctant, "Fine, let's get this over with" attitude just sets it up for a big reveal to the kid. I know he's in the upcoming episode with MDB, so maybe we'll see a little interaction between Murdoc and his son then, even if he doesn't find out the truth yet.

I'm thinking Murdoc's story about the death of Cassian's mother wasn't entirely true, assuming it was true at all. In my opinion, Murdoc looked a little sad talking about it, so if she really is dead, I don't think he found it as "poetic" as he claimed. Most likely, he didn't kill her, though someone else could have. In fact, he DID say to Mac, "We fell in love" when he told the story. It was actually Mac who said, "You're not capable of love" before Murdoc said, "Fine, SHE fell in love, I just found her less repulsive than other humans." If you ask me, he said that THEY fell in love a little too casually for a guy who tries to look as though he doesn't care about anyone. Most likely, he really did care about her, and maybe got swept up in his description of her to try to hide his feelings?

 
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Posted on 15 January 2018 - 03:09 PM                                    
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QUOTE (beth @ 15 January 2018 - 07:41 AM)
New info straight from MDB himself on his facebook page!! He will appear in the MacGyver reboot episode that is airing on 2/2. This character must be really something because his post reads "bad to worse" with pictures of him as classic Murdoc and the current character.

Definitely looking forward to seeing what he means by that!

One thing I noticed, hanging out on twitter, was Michael's response to some of the excited fans. It sounds like he didn't expect anyone to get so excited over his appearance on the reboot. I'm wondering if he just doesn't know that there are a lot of people who DO like the reboot, or if all the haters are denting the confidence of some of the actors. I'm hoping that if it's one of these, it's the former.

 
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Posted on 18 January 2018 - 06:51 PM                                    
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I just noticed something interesting. MDB was promoting the reboot episode he's in, while sharing pictures from "Strictly Business". Someone commented that he holds the rocket launcher so indifferently, and MDB replied, "Well, villains hate themselves, so it doesn't matter." He's got pretty good insight into the mind of the villain he played, doesn't he?

 
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