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| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 1 November 2006 - 06:43 PM |
| The jeep that Mac crashs has square headlights. After the crash the jeep has round headlights |
| Posted by: macsgirl1 17 June 2009 - 06:22 PM |
| Also the color is off. The gear indicator is different that MacGyver's Jeep. |
| Posted by: Bubba Ho-Tep 19 June 2009 - 05:52 AM |
| Something that always bothered me as a former Jeep owner: In the beginning of the episode he have Mac driving his Jeep with the top off and there is his voice over that talks about the countryside of Pennsylvania, I believe it was. Well, if MacGyver was suppossed to live in LA that means he was quite far from home. With no top on the Jeep. I have never seen (correct me if I'm wrong) any indication that MacGyver used a soft top that you can easily put up and down. It was always hard top or no top. I don't think you would drive to the other side of the country with no roof for your vehicle. |
| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 19 June 2009 - 01:58 PM |
| Aren't those "roofless" jeeps soft tops by default? |
| Posted by: macsgirl1 19 June 2009 - 02:06 PM |
| Not always my friend's is a hard top. |
| Posted by: Bubba Ho-Tep 19 June 2009 - 02:50 PM |
| If it has a soft top you can clearly see it folded back. I never seen that in the show. If he had a soft top it would have been easier to just put it up and down than to take the hard top on and off, but we never see Mac sporting a soft top. And if you want to switch out your hard top with a soft one it will take more than one person to take the hard top off and then you have to install a set of framework that the soft top uses which you would notice as well when the top was folded back. |
| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 19 June 2009 - 02:56 PM |
| I was going to suggest before that if that episode was in the summer time, a road trip with the top down mightn't be such a bad thing. But then it occurred to me that such a long trip would still have a good chance of encountering rain at some point, not to mention hassles with being able to lock your vehicle if you stopped somewhere and other such things. And if that episode wasn't summer time, then driving with no roof is just stupid.  |
| Posted by: macsgirl1 19 June 2009 - 04:40 PM |
| How do you know he wasn't staying at a hotel or something and his roof was there. Mac is a smart guy! |
| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 19 June 2009 - 05:01 PM |
It's possible. I've always wondered if he took the roof on and off. But Bubba said just before that it's not a one man job... but as you say Macs a smart guy.  Did it turn into a hard top when he was fixing it in the barn? |
| Posted by: macsgirl1 19 June 2009 - 07:46 PM |
| Alot of times Mac did the work of many men. Being a loner he had to learn to do things himself. |
| Posted by: Bubba Ho-Tep 20 June 2009 - 04:57 AM | ||||
I don't think so. And besides, as we all know that was a completely different jeep The funny thing is that that jeep looked so far gone that it looked like it was totaled. And Mac didn't fix it, at least not on the show, which is how he was able to stay with the Amish long enough to save the little girl in the first place. (I'm sure he got it running later) 
How true! If MacGyver can build a hot air balloon out of old blankets and a wood stove then I think he can find a way to remove and store the top of his jeep by himself  |
| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 20 June 2009 - 04:03 PM |
| There is one scene where he's looking at fixing the jeep. So he was intending to fix it, just got side tracked I guess. |
| Posted by: SMeeceymouse 20 June 2009 - 04:36 PM | ||
I think with Jeeps you can store the hard top, and take it off when you want to. (I think they are made of fiberglass). So he could have taken the top off the jeep and stored it somewhere in the back of the jeep. And no I don't know where. He was driving int the Pennslyvania country side, but do we know if he was going to California or coming from California. I remember him saying that he had been cooped up for two weeks doing some testing, and that it was nice to be outside in the fresh air. |
| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 20 June 2009 - 05:03 PM | ||
ummm.... Fiberglass is solid. meaning it can't be folded and stored like a soft top. |
| Posted by: SMeeceymouse 20 June 2009 - 05:53 PM |
| I know that there is some type of Jeep hard/soft top that can be stored in the jeep. What they are made of I don't know. Rocky is right fiberglass can't be folded. |
| Posted by: SMeeceymouse 20 June 2009 - 05:56 PM | ||
Rocky, Where I live you see people with the tops of the convertables Jeep or othrewise down on a 60 degree day in the winter. I had a mustang convertable, but perfer my Escape with the sun roof. |
| Posted by: MACGYVERISMYDAD 22 June 2009 - 09:18 AM |
| I live in pennsyvania in the country and I can tell you that they were pretty close to getting the scenery down. Very often I drive past amish people although they are rarly playing they are always working or taking their horse and buggy somewhere. |
| Posted by: Traveller 16 February 2010 - 12:46 AM |
| Yesterday I watched this episode again, after a long time. And this time it struck me that Mac's jump out of his jeep is not the same as in the intro. It made me wonder how many times the stuntman had to do it, before it was right. Well, at least they got to use two of his jumps. |
| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 16 February 2010 - 09:40 AM |
| How is it different? |
| Posted by: Traveller 16 February 2010 - 10:10 AM |
| Hard to explain. The way the body is moving, the arms, legs. Maybe you can have a look yourself and then you'll see the difference. I hope. |
| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 17 February 2010 - 01:36 AM |
| Ah. Yeah your right. There's quite a noticeable difference in the jump styles. |
| Posted by: Traveller 17 February 2010 - 02:23 AM |
| Funny, huh? Now why they would use two jumps? Maybe after the episode was edited, they found they had a better one and used it in the intro? And another thing: how many jeeps did they use? |
| Posted by: Lothithil 17 February 2010 - 07:33 AM |
| Good eye, T! I didn't notice that! somebody's been having fun with their slow-mo playback buttons! I love this episode! I remember my first viewing on SpikeTV... and my second first viewing, when I got my unedited version on the DVDs. |
| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 17 February 2010 - 12:42 PM |
| unedited? This episode was edited? |
| Posted by: macgyversgirl 18 April 2010 - 05:57 PM |
Almost all episodes were edited and we still never really see the whole episode. There is a cut scene from Passages in Hindsight that was never shown in the episode. I don't think it is fair to us, we should be able to see the entire ep as it was filmed.  |
| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 18 April 2010 - 10:27 PM |
| It happens to every program,film,documentary ever made. They have to edit things down, not only to make it fit a required time slot, but also simply to keep the story-line flowing and stop double ups of scenes and information being told in the story or to stop a scene from dragging on and on, and putting everyone to sleep. |
| Posted by: Traveller 19 April 2010 - 12:36 AM | ||
Which scene are you referring to? |
| Posted by: MacBeth 19 April 2010 - 08:14 PM | ||
More than that: at least in the US, the number of minutes in every hour of programming that are given over to commercials has grown over the years. With broadcast re-runs, the episodes are trimmed down, farther and farther and farther . . . The first show I ever went truly fannish over was the original airing of "Star Trek" -- over the years, I noticed remembered lines disappearing from re-runs of episodes, and gnashed my teeth. It wasn't until the 90's that I finally saw, in a special "Fans' Choice" marathon, the full-length versions of episodes as I had remembered them from thirty years before. Thank heavens for DVDs. |
| Posted by: Traveller 20 April 2010 - 12:37 AM | ||
I couldn't agree more. I'd still like to know more about that cut scene, though. Could it be I have a different set of DVD's? Because on mine there are no missing scenes – as far as I know. |
| Posted by: macgyversgirl 20 April 2010 - 09:17 AM | ||||
In Hindsight we see Pete's reaction to the first time they shock MacGyver. I thought it was a very touching scene and should have been left in the episode. |
| Posted by: jennkurz 23 February 2011 - 11:33 AM |
| when the worker first shows up at the farm he says they brought the construction equipment out so they could get an early start the next morning. Yet when the foreman shows up he says he will have to call the police if they are still there the day AFTER tomorrow but then later when he yells at the foreman he said his only buisness was to drop the gear off for tomorrow but later in the same conversation he tells them to show up for work the day after tomorrow. and mac was at the farm at least one day without the construction crew working on his jeep. wonder if that was a writers screwup or the actor screwed it up. |
| Posted by: jennkurz 23 February 2011 - 12:15 PM |
| you can also tell this is not macs jeep as when they tow it in to the farm there is no control panel on the jeep. no radio no speedometer and the like. the guy steering the jeep is wrapped around the steering coloum because the seat is right up on the wheel. this is obviously just a jeep shell and probably a old army style jeep. |
| Posted by: jennkurz 23 February 2011 - 07:07 PM |
| plot hole-when they lower jacob into the well since he is right there doesnt common sense state that they would try to have jacoub thread a rope around christy with caribeniers and just pull her up through through the well like the did with jacob? Or at least try to have him tie one off to keep her from slipping further down the well? |
| Posted by: BrakeFluid 19 March 2011 - 04:16 AM |
| Christie's arms were pinned against her, so Jacob couldn't just thread the rope around her in any way that was even remotely safe. |
| Posted by: Makedde 20 May 2011 - 09:53 PM |
| Not sure but it might be a nit pick. In one scene we see Christie in the well and her face is clear of dirt, and the next time we see her her face is covered in dust, almost like its been plastered on her face. |
| Posted by: Joe SAKic 28 April 2015 - 07:13 PM |
| Theatrics aside, does anybody have a theory/thoughts on why 'squeaky-clean' MacGyver unfastens his seatbelt and thrusts/propels himself out of the moving vehicle as it's going over the guard rail? A big safety no-no, especially in this day and age. I do realize that this episode aired in the middle of the enforcement of the seat belt laws in North America and that there was huge resistance against them, at first. Definitely a statement being made here though I think, but not necessarily the ethically correct one. Factoid: seat belt laws were first enforced in Pennsylvania on November 23, 1987 and this episode aired on November 28th, 1988. |
| Posted by: Walter 29 April 2015 - 03:00 AM |
| Because his jeep had no roof and therefore more dangerous to stay in that jump out of. Look at the way the jeep landed, that roll bar was next to useless. He would have been a lot worse off had he stayed buckled in than what he was by jumping out. |
| Posted by: Joe SAKic 29 April 2015 - 04:03 AM |
| .... that's highly debatable. The stats say that more people die from being thrown clear than when staying buckled up within the vehicle. It's the head you worry most about. You certainly never propel yourself like a rocket out of a fast moving vehicle. F=MxA. Given the cheap roll bar on those models, I would have stayed buckled in and lay as flat as possible across the passenger seat while covering my head with my arms. |
| Posted by: KiwiTek 29 April 2015 - 04:28 AM |
| How do you lay over the seats when you have a seat belt holding you in an upright position? I'm not sure if those jeeps have retracting or set belts but even with retracting belts they would have locked into position with all the swerving going on. I have an even better question for you though. How does having a blown tire stop your breaks from working? I've been in cars with blown tires and neither control nor breaks have ever been lost as a result. I've also seen plenty of cars on the side of the road with blown tires, none of them crashed either. |
| Posted by: Joe SAKic 29 April 2015 - 04:38 AM |
| Come on! It's MacGyver were talking about here. Undo the belt, loop it through the wheel, lean over and hold on for dear life! For gawd sakes protect your noggin at all costs! |
| Posted by: KiwiTek 29 April 2015 - 05:00 AM |
| Exactly - it's MacGyver... where's that thread talking about how many times he's had a head injury and how it's always on the same side? MacGyver's not know for protecting his head. |
| Posted by: MACGYVERISMYDAD 29 April 2015 - 07:43 AM |
| I always figured it was a last minute decision to jump. He probably didnt know how steep the edge was and he was possibly trying to dive out before the jeep went over the edge. that way he landed on the road and not down below |
| Posted by: Jediferret 29 April 2015 - 08:06 AM |
Split second decisions aren't always well thought out...  |
| Posted by: MacGyverGod 29 April 2015 - 11:01 AM | ||
That's all well and good but let's not forget here that the Jeep tipped over since it was laying upside down on the rocks after it went over on the cliff. If Mac stayed in the car, he'd probably be dead due to a broken neck. So I kinda agree with what Walter says. Maybe he should've worn a helmet. It's dangerous driving a car. I think I would've jumped too. I agree with Kiwi as well, but I think the brakes and the crashing was added for effect. Gotta pull of some stunt right. But if we are nitpicking. The car in Humanity also blew a tire, it didn't seem too big of a problem than, Mac obviously learned. Unless crashing was out of the question with an armed soldier sitting behind you. His gun might go off by accident. It makes you wonder as well, why didn't the car slow down by itself? If Mac was braking (though they failed), I'm sure he got his foot of the gaspedal anyway. I think we're up to guessing how hard he was driving. Any ideas on that? |
| Posted by: Joe SAKic 29 April 2015 - 05:50 PM |
| ... au contraire. It's well known that one of the most common ways to incur a cervical spine injury - is to dive head first into a shallow( 1.5 m or less) pool of water. Ask any swimmer. Mac, however, dived head first out of an accelerating vehicle, over & down an embankment and into a pool of rocks ... sans a drop of water. |
| Posted by: denizen 29 April 2015 - 08:52 PM |
| In all honesty, I don't really believe the writers were technically critical about the stunt that Mac did. It looked good and they went with it. I find overanalyses is emphasized more nowadays than they did back then. Back then they just went with it. Nowadays, we question it. Bottom line, that frame is there for the driver's protection should the vehicle roll over. It has other uses. Most of the time we don't see Mac putting on a seatbelt. This was in line with the patriotic heroes of the 80's who just jumped into their car and sped off. Mac never sped but you get my point. Heroes were heroes so they never required to live by our rules. It was established that they were the good guys. So even if they did something questionable. It was okay because it was them. |
| Posted by: MiracleMac 29 April 2015 - 11:16 PM |
| The wrecked jeep was Jeep CJ-7 and as somebody mentioned in the old post that there is no dashboard visible as Macs original jeep had, CJ-7 speedometer and other meters are located in center of dashboard behind stick shift. |
| Posted by: MiracleMac 30 April 2015 - 04:16 AM |
| Traveller noticed earlier the different between jump from the jeep in INTRO and Episode. Heres comparision: |
| Posted by: MacGyverGod 30 April 2015 - 10:52 AM |
| Mac going: 'Wooow'. |
| Posted by: MACGYVERISMYDAD 1 May 2015 - 05:24 AM |
| the 2nd picture looks like hes doing air karate |