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QUOTE (Riddick @ 14 November 2016 - 03:13 PM)
This remake just lacks in all departments:

- The theme song is lame and boring (just like the writing).
- The story lines are bland, dumbed down versions of the original. I hate how they changed plot lines, character backgrounds, and the history all for the worse instead of better.
- The production value sucks.
- It has no originality as the format is exactly like every police procedural show on tv.
- The acting sucks.
- Jack doesn't fly, he's annoying, and acts like he either wants to shoot or have sex with anything he sees (maybe both).
- Mac clearly isn't best friends with Patricia Thorton (even though in the original Pete was his best friend).
- Bozer is annoying.
- Riley is annoying.
- This version of Mac just doesn't seem as sharp and needs to be rescued every week.
- Lucas Till is alright as Mac, but he still just doesn't have that friendly look about him like RDA had. I don't know how to describe it. But I could deal with him continuing to play Mac if they got rid of the team, and changed the story lines back to the original series lines.

So good luck, I'm out.

I agree with a lot of your points, but here's just a few additional thoughts:


Regarding Jack: I think it was a mistake to call him Jack Dalton, since he was obviously written to be a completely different character. George Eads' character was originally named Lincoln, and I think if they had kept him with that name, it would have worked better since we would have just accepted him for who he is, rather than constantly comparing him to another character. But even then, I think he would work better as a recurring guest star, not as a main character. Let's face it, as entertaining as the original Jack Dalton was, it would have been annoying if he had been on the show ALL THE TIME. He worked well as a character who appeared once in while. I think the same thing applies to New Jack. He could be fun as a character who pops up a few times per season, but we don't need him there in every episode (and practically every scene.)

Regarding the acting: Overall, I think the acting in this is at least as good as the original series, but that's not saying much since the acting in the original series was abysmal at times. RDA was good, but the guest stars were often cringe-worthy. Even so, the standard of television acting has gone up a LOT since the 1980s, so this show needs to have drastically better acting than the original, and it doesn't.

Regarding Patricia: You're right about her not being friendly with Mac, but now I'm suspecting that there may be a reason for that (looks like she might turn out to be a villain.) If they can do something interesting with that, fine. But if she's not a villain, and is simply just a cold, unfriendly person, then that sucks.

Regarding changing the storylines back to the original series' lines: I don't mind if they deviate from the original, and frankly, I don't really want this new show to be an exact retelling of the original series. But the trick is that if they're going to alter the storylines and backstories, it should be to improve upon what's come before. So far, I think it's a bit too early to tell if the altered storylines are improvements or not, since we'll need to see how they play out. To be positive for a moment, I will say that it seems they made Nikki a more interesting character than she was before. In the original series, she started out with potential, but then basically just became another "damsel in distress," who really didn't seem convincing as a field agent, since she needed Mac to save her all the time. So, I'll give the new show points for coming up with a Nikki that has a potentially more interesting story (though, again, it's a bit too early to say for sure yet.)

Regarding the theme song: Totally agree with you. And not just the theme song, but even the visuals during the opening sequence look really cheap, and kind of like a student project. To be fair to the composer of the new theme song, though, he did come up with a good piece of music, but it got edited too much. I remember it was a longer (and better) piece when we saw the video of them recording it, and I liked it then.





 
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Miasma, yes you're right about the acting. I do have to agree that Lucas Till is pretty good, especially that episode where he saw the video of his old CO dying and we saw Mac cry. And the woman that plays Patricia is a pretty good actress as well. I just don't like the rest of the cast.

And yes, you're also right about the original series story with Nicki. It did kind of go all over the place. But that is exactly what I meant before about the writers having the opportunity to take things from the original that didn't work so well and making them better. So far I don't think they've done that.



 
                                                                     
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I so wanted to like this episode but sadly it disappointed.

If this show does not live according to the reputation of the previous one, then why is Murdoc's character living in that shadow? Subjectively, the character was not scary. He was just meh.

With so many guns blazing around MacGyver, and whatever his intentions are not to use guns, one has to wonder why he has no issue when it comes to his friends using them. Clearly whether he uses a gun or not makes no difference because Jack will just end up killing someone instead. So his reasoning is illogical. They keep focusing on the fact that Mac needs his lackeys but the whole point of MacGyver is how he did it all on his own with next to nothing.

The shooting scene at Mac's house was a little silly. Jack is supposed to be this trained agent and Murdoc is dodging his bullets. But MacGyver shoots a bottle at Murdoc and blasts him out the window. biggrin.gif Yea....

Is Mac serious about having a relationship or not? Being blase about his female companion was so not his character.

The ending was dull. No dramatic explosion with a "Maaacccggyyvvverrrrr!"

Im not getting the hype and excitement of others. I can see this done SO much better. Sadly, its just not really doing it. 2 stars from me.



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well seems I couldn't resists this week episode, I stopped watching this series because of the lack of everything... since this time around Murdoc will be showing up I wanted to see how they will handle the charismatic character that I used to remember, sadly It wasn't that good...

In this episode they locked Mac in a room, initially I though interesting, 1 sec later he is able to use the ceiling with plenty of room to move but not he has to shine, he could've escaped from above but had to use the wires why? ( I preffer Macgyver to be simple and realistic sometimes) and Bozer is like he is out of place every-time, in my opinion he hasn't brought anything to the series just like Patrica T, as per Murdoc well at least the actor (David D) did his best in terms of acting, I missed the British accent though and well he was caught too easy and there was no final scream sad.gif

Seems Macgyver as a team is more than just a concept that story wise is unable to develop it owns characters. Just like Walter, I haven't missed anything of the new show, but for those who do enjoy it!



 
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I'm torn on this one. I did like Murdoc and much of the episode seemed like an old school episode from the 80's. However, like most everyone pointed out, he should have had a somewhat supposed devastating demise only for them to discover there are no remains to discover. I'm not sure why you would want to mess with that formula. There is something great about watching Murdoc "die," realizing that you can't kill him, and this guy always finds his way back into Mac's life. That's what made him so terrifying to me growing up. Also, I feel that the soundtrack music took a giant step backwards this episode.



 
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QUOTE (angus20 @ 14 November 2016 - 03:13 AM)
In this episode they locked Mac in a room, initially I though interesting, 1 sec later he is able to use the ceiling with plenty of room to move but not he has to shine, he could've escaped from above but had to use the wires why? ( I preffer Macgyver to be simple and realistic sometimes)

I think it is realistic, cuz its just a light ceiling and if you put to much weight on it, it will just collapse. And you cannot move from one room to another using that kind of ceiling because its used to hide things like power wire and PVC pipes and that kind of stuff. The tiles that are used are also just made out of compressed insulation or some kind of plaster and does are real fragile.



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Murdoc had sort-of deaths in the episode, just not at the end. He twice pulled a Michael Myers act by falling from a height and then vanishing without a trace, even though he should have been knocked-out or at least too injured to make a quick escape. Still, I would have appreciated something more spectacular at the end.



 
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This was the first time I have seen Murdoc not die and it left me very confused. He used to be a life Wile E. Coyote. Wile E. Coyote falls off the cliff, turns into an accordion on impact, and walks away unharmed. Murdoc falls off the mountain screaming "MACGYVER!" (Can someone tell me how anyone could survive that?) and reappears a few episodes later. I didn't know what to think when they arrested him.



 
                                                                     
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QUOTE (aicarrie1 @ 17 November 2016 - 06:01 PM)
This was the first time I have seen Murdoc not die and it left me very confused. He used to be a life Wile E. Coyote. Wile E. Coyote falls off the cliff, turns into an accordion on impact, and walks away unharmed. Murdoc falls off the mountain screaming "MACGYVER!" (Can someone tell me how anyone could survive that?) and reappears a few episodes later. I didn't know what to think when they arrested him.

I guess they were trying to go for a slightly less cartoon-like approach, which I can understand (even though I always enjoyed the cartoon-like nature of the Murdoc episodes in the past.) As several people have pointed out, he did have a couple of escapes from death in the episode (the fall from the staircase, and the fall from the balconey), so that element of his character still exists, it's just not as over-the-top as it was in the original series.

I think I would have been okay with him getting arrested at the end if Mac had been more directly responsible for it. I ddin't like that Riley and Jack had to do it. Also, I kept waiting for some kind of sinister epilogue implying that Murdoc escaped, but it never happened.



 
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I don't entirely believe that. Hawaii 5-0 have Wo Fat as the infamous villain who "never dies". In some ways, he is much like the original Murdoc.



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QUOTE (Miasma @ 17 November 2016 - 04:13 PM)
I think I would have been okay with him getting arrested at the end if Mac had been more directly responsible for it. I ddin't like that Riley and Jack had to do it. Also, I kept waiting for some kind of sinister epilogue implying that Murdoc escaped, but it never happened.

Maybe they thought because they already did that with Nikki in the pilot, they couldn't show another bad guy escape custody so soon. But even if we don't get to see it, there might be an episode where we get noticed that Murdoc escaped?

I think since they got a full-season order (so they needed new ideas for scripts immediately) and the episode had higher ratings again, that Murdoc might already come back this season - maybe even in a pre-finale? I'm sure Nikki was intended for the season finale, but now that they have 22 episodes instead of 13 that storyline might be drawn out. Unless they film as intended and make a mid-season finale out of it, then it might be a Murdoc story for the finale.



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Hm... did anyone else notice him? via https://twitter.com/AVRicher/status/799451697118609408

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I didn't notice the first time round, but I think I found him about 8 minutes in laugh.gif

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that's kinda hilarious, he was there the whole time laugh.gif



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I liked the whole Episode AND that Murdoc incoming very much biggrin.gif Remembering I nearly freaked out on my sofa!!! Sure the frustrated scream "MACGYVEEEER..." was missing in the end but I was very happy that it meant he was still alive and that he could come back maybe in later episodes laugh.gif And thank god he did!!




 
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QUOTE (MacGyverOnline @ 19 April 2018 - 08:06 AM)
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Is that a picture from this episode? I can't tell. It's been a long time since I've seen this. blush.gif

I figure I might as well mention, since I'm commenting on this episode anyway, that this was my first taste of Murdoc. At the time this aired, the only original episode I had seen was "The Madonna".



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The comments I've read here are some of the most negative so far. It's almost sad. But I will not get into them that much. When you're watching the reboot, just forget the original. I have seen the original over and over again ever since I was 5. I've worked two years on the timeline of the original. I pretty much know it inside out and yet the changes for the reboot has not bothered me whatsoever. Just see it as something seperately. I know that the action might be covering up for the many mistakes it makes but I haven't seen one yet that frustrates the hell out of me. I'm not bothered by Bozer and Riley's scenes, even though they do seem pointless at this time, they don't feel pointless to me. It's like everyone wants the same (back)story all over again. You expect him to have a son in the end? You want that? Watch the original.

Now I got that of my chest, the episode.

It's like with every episode I've seen: it's the best one so far. That goes for this one as well. This time they seem they have finally cracked it open. What a way to introduce Murdoc to the new audience. Just have him simply knock on the door at Mac's house. David Dastmalchian really did his best to appear as menacing as MDB. We immediately got Strictly Business Murdoc. Dressed in black, decent haircut, dark look in his eyes... Yep, that's the Murdoc, I know. And wham what an episode.

For starters: the party. I thought all four of them looked impeccable especially Riley. Never thought Riley would have that long hair. Also Patricia was not bad looking and the guys looked good in suits.

It was interesting to see how the events unfolded. All of a sudden MacGyver is hunted and Bozer is caught in-between. A good way to flesh him out a bit more. Bozer was left out in the dark on what MacGyver's job is and of course his ticked off after he finds out, since best friends tell each other everything.

The one thing I didn't like was that Patricia decided to lock him up herself, even if it was to keep him safe. She does know this guy is Houdini, right? This was like the most UnMac-ish things, I've seen so far. Pete wouldn't have bothered to do that because he knows he's out in a minute. If Pete wouldn't have let him go after Murdoc he would've advised him to go to a safe-house. Why didn't she think of that? Also that cold hard look she gave him made me say: 'Don't give him that look.' The fact that the team seems to be deciding for him was something I didn't like. He really does not have anything to say and maybe that's why he hasn't said anything about guns until now. They wouldn't listen to him anyway, but they expect him to listen to them? Yet, we all think Mac should be taking the decisions here.

The final confrontation was a nice one. Yes, we didn't get the classic "MacGyveeeeeeerrrrrrrr" scream but we didn't get that in Partners, Halloween Knights and Serenity either. I think it was a real interesting touch of having Murdoc arrested for a change and he is already brooding on his revenge and he seems to be willing to make it his life's pursuit of trying to kill him. I can't wait for their next confrontation.

And then there's that final scene with Nikki. Did we just got a tip that Patricia might be a villain and Nikki knows about this? I think this scene was meant to be confusing and we'll keep getting clues over the next episodes. It was an interesting way of ending this episode and to keep us guessing what the future has in store for this MacGyver.



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Yeah, Patricia and Jack trying to force Mac to stay behind was dumb. At least it came back to bite them in the climax



"If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" - Hank The Cowdog

"You have the heart of a chief, and the soul of a dragon"- How to Train Your Dragon 2

"[T]he more we try to understand one another, the more exceptional each one of us will be" - Zootopia

"Love makes you do strange things." - Charlie Brown

"When something looks too perfect, it probably sucks" - Dreamworks Dragons Race to the Edge

 
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Posted: 2 November 2018 - 05:04 PM                                    
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As much as it would've been nice to see Mac beat Murdoc instead of Riley, the "Oh crap" look on Murdoc's face was priceless laugh.gif



"If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" - Hank The Cowdog

"You have the heart of a chief, and the soul of a dragon"- How to Train Your Dragon 2

"[T]he more we try to understand one another, the more exceptional each one of us will be" - Zootopia

"Love makes you do strange things." - Charlie Brown

"When something looks too perfect, it probably sucks" - Dreamworks Dragons Race to the Edge

 
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Posted: 30 December 2018 - 01:56 PM                                    
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Here's the blog post by Rhett Allain - Technical Consultant for the Reboot - about the "MacHacks" used in this episode: https://rhettallain.com/2018/12/30/macgyver...otes-corkscrew/


He writes about following MacGyverisms:
> DIY Blacklight
> Fluorescence of stuff on the wall
> Electrified stair rail
> Hacking magnetic lock
> Wine bottle rocket
> Radio jammer

As usual, he also posted some videos to go along with it.



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