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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 29 December 2014 - 06:23 AM) | Also, why was the episode lost? Was it really lost or was it that it dealt with spirituality, nukes, & terrorism and thus didn't meet with initial approvals? |
This is from our FAQ page. Where did the "Lost epiosode" come from?Season 7 was contracted to be 13 episodes, which they completed filming in December. The “Coltons” episode was actually shot as part of season 6, but aired as part of season 7. This meant they had 14 episodes instead of the agreed 13, so they aired 12 season 7 episodes as well as "The Coltons" and saved the finale for April when they did a special night of several series finales. That was supposed to be the end. But the ratings were so high that night that they brought out the Mountain of Youth as a "Lost Episode" and then continued with reruns throughout the summer.
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I don't get all the criticism really. Themacgyverproject blogspot has ranked this episode as the worst episode in the entire show. There are a lot worse episodes than this. *coughs MacGyver's Women/The Lost Amadeus*. I think this is also one of the better episodes of the final season. The last one fully set in another country since Eye of Osiris. We finally reunite with Jack after 40 episodes. There's such a sight of beautiful girl in it. Maybe not a Mac-girl but I think Mukti is one of the prettiest girls in the show. And Ken Harrison's score is again finger licking. I get goosebumps everytime that military theme plays during the action scenes. And Jack keeps annoying Mac throughout the episode so hard that Mac even has to ask: 'Will you stop?!' or tell him: 'Shush!' It didn't took me long to realise how fictional it all was. Kabulstan, Ammukash... Maybe they really weren't pointing or pushing anything at that time and simply searched for a fun adventure. Might even explain why there were caucasian soldiers in that army. I think the idea of military oppression made it easier. In 1991 I think most global problems were not so much of big deal. Russia lost the Soviet Union, Germany became reunited. There were still wars going on but I think the major nations were licking their wounds after the Cold War. I think the story behind it is still an interesting one. Maybe another wink to the Last Crusade. Drink of the Holy Grail and get eternal life, drink of the fountain of youth and become very old. Kinda reminds me of Li Ching-Yue. A man who allegedly lived for 256 years. You can look it up on Wiki, it's probably a myth but I think it's fun to read about it. There is debate whether or not he was actually 256 years. He himself claimed to be 197 years old. There is also a story that at the age of 130 he met an older hermit in the mountains who was 500 years old. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Ching-YuenI think it's up to you, if you wanna believe it or not. A 7 feet tall Chinese living for 256 years? There is also Zaro Aga, a Turk who lived for 157 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaro_AgaBut like I said, I think it's debatable if it's true or not. I just think it's interesting stuff and maybe the whole story was based on that and what other way to use to best known subject to the audiences besides the holy grail like the fountain of youth. Just thinking out loud here. I also like the fact Mac had to adjust his opinion about the whole fountain of youth thing.

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I think at that time it was much more common to think of religion not literally as religion but as an inherent feature of a geographical region. It was a way to show, hey, look, this is really rural Asia.
It is similar to Latin America episodes where villagers are oppressed by a military dictatorship. When the village square in Jack of Lies is what makes them Latin American, in this episode religion is what makes them rural Asian.
I feel the episode is more problematic today, with positive stereotypes. It certainly worked better on me before, when I was like, wow, twist, and didn't think too much about it.
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Great post MG! Don't forget, there was this whole western neo fascination with spiritualism and the Dalai Llama starting to build in the 1990s. I believe that this was also part of the inspiration for the script. To be honest, if I hadn't been assigned to India and that part of the world for work around that time, I would not have appreciated or attempted to understand this episode nearly as much.
Albeit, there's a lot of content ideas that they try to compact into 45 minutes and they really bit off a bit more than they could chew. Also, in attempting not to single out a specific religion or terrorist nationality, they cause further confusion as themacgyerproject rightfully alludes to indirectly. It would have been better to have idols, icons that you could clearly identify and focus on, rather than always trying to guess who these people were trying to represent.
I think it was the right idea, but perhaps a bit borderline 'at issue' for circa: 1992 & conservative Mac.

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QUOTE (Myrtle Groggins @ 6 May 2016 - 11:03 AM) | I think at that time it was much more common to think of religion not literally as religion but as an inherent feature of a geographical region. It was a way to show, hey, look, this is really rural Asia.
It is similar to Latin America episodes where villagers are oppressed by a military dictatorship. When the village square in Jack of Lies is what makes them Latin American, in this episode religion is what makes them rural Asian.
I feel the episode is more problematic today, with positive stereotypes. It certainly worked better on me before, when I was like, wow, twist, and didn't think too much about it. |
Good point. It sets the table as best as possible for the repressed minority villagers living amongst the radical military types. Who cares exactly who/what they worship. Myrtle, do you think the content was why it became lost or bumped down the list, or was it just deemed not up to snuff especially seeing that the themacgyverproject places it dead last in it's ratings and thus they only dusted it off to fill an urgent network void?
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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 7 May 2016 - 01:13 PM) | Myrtle, do you think the content was why it became lost or bumped down the list, or was it just deemed not up to snuff especially seeing that the themacgyverproject places it dead last in it's ratings and thus they only dusted it off to fill an urgent network void? |
A mix of both I guess... it's the one that sticks out the most, risky or not. Like if an episode turns out to be seen as not all that entertaining, it's better to have one in downtown LA than an overseas setting.
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QUOTE (MacGyverGod @ 6 May 2016 - 06:26 AM) | I don't get all the criticism really. Themacgyverproject blogspot has ranked this episode as the worst episode in the entire show. There are a lot worse episodes than this. *coughs MacGyver's Women/The Lost Amadeus*. I think this is also one of the better episodes of the final season. The last one fully set in another country since Eye of Osiris. We finally reunite with Jack after 40 episodes. There's such a sight of beautiful girl in it. Maybe not a Mac-girl but I think Mukti is one of the prettiest girls in the show. And Ken Harrison's score is again finger licking. I get goosebumps everytime that military theme plays during the action scenes. And Jack keeps annoying Mac throughout the episode so hard that Mac even has to ask: 'Will you stop?!' or tell him: 'Shush!'
It didn't took me long to realise how fictional it all was. Kabulstan, Ammukash... Maybe they really weren't pointing or pushing anything at that time and simply searched for a fun adventure. Might even explain why there were caucasian soldiers in that army. I think the idea of military oppression made it easier. In 1991 I think most global problems were not so much of big deal. Russia lost the Soviet Union, Germany became reunited. There were still wars going on but I think the major nations were licking their wounds after the Cold War.
I think the story behind it is still an interesting one. Maybe another wink to the Last Crusade. Drink of the Holy Grail and get eternal life, drink of the fountain of youth and become very old. Kinda reminds me of Li Ching-Yue. A man who allegedly lived for 256 years. You can look it up on Wiki, it's probably a myth but I think it's fun to read about it. There is debate whether or not he was actually 256 years. He himself claimed to be 197 years old. There is also a story that at the age of 130 he met an older hermit in the mountains who was 500 years old.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Ching-Yuen I think it's up to you, if you wanna believe it or not. A 7 feet tall Chinese living for 256 years?
There is also Zaro Aga, a Turk who lived for 157 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaro_Aga But like I said, I think it's debatable if it's true or not.
I just think it's interesting stuff and maybe the whole story was based on that and what other way to use to best known subject to the audiences besides the holy grail like the fountain of youth. Just thinking out loud here. I also like the fact Mac had to adjust his opinion about the whole fountain of youth thing. |
I read your review tonight and wanted to watch this episode, and I totally agree with you. this is one of the best episodes of season 7, the perfect music, the magnificent temple, I found in the prayers of the faithful an atmosphere like "Tintin in Tibet" and as I am a fan I validate. And I also wanted to react on a point, compared to the blogspot of Themacgyverproject, indeed, the author ranked it in last position, although I totally respect his opinion, personally I find it unfair, he does not inherit this from me. place and as you said there's worse (for me it's The Lost Amadeus) ... Finally we must respect the opinions of each other ... For me very good evening and really for the end of the series, bravo .
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