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QUOTE (MacGyverOnline @ 7 April 2017 - 01:39 AM)
Occasionally he would get help, but the help worked under his supervision to achieve his goal.

That is also one of my biggest pet peeves of the reboot. Mac was always in charge. Sometimes having normal civilians help but he was the leader AND protector.

Also, from what I've seen on the reboot, "Mac" is more into fundamental science (not sure if that's the proper term). I recall at least one episode where they showed him envisioning complicated mathematical calculations...I think it was over a game of pool. The real Mac broke his thoughts down so that the average person (often another character) could understand. He also seemed to have extensive knowledge outside physics and chemistry such as biology, legends and myths, gods, archaeology, etc. as well as just being able to think outside the box in what would generally be ordinary situations. But he still came off as a charismatic, normal human being, not some whiz kid.



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My father was looking forward to this new MacGyver coming on TV as he was a fan of the old one.... He's watched about 3 episodes and says it's total s**t and wont watch any more episodes. LOL






 
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The information & technological revolution started together with the original series in 1985. It was a dead heat! You couldn't get a more perfect scenario and tandem hitting the bricks together. The real beauty of the TOS was the contrast and juxtaposition of technology with the Macgyverisms. That particular 'fusion' was incredibly intoxicating and compelling - just on its own right.

The relationship doesn't work nearly as well in 2017 mostly because the shock & awe is long gone, the technology is too invasive and doesn't lend to teeing up the macgyverisms nearly as well. This is just my opinion and based on being a professional in the tech industry and having watched both series. The concept is not necessarily passed it's time, but it is in the way that it has been presented in the reboot.



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just like Joe SAKic, I have the same feeling. This world has changed so much during the last 25years... at that time Macgyver as a TV show was massive, if you miss an episode probably you will have to wait like 3 or 4 months to re-watch it, now you just need to wait 1 single day. Since Internet wasn't widely used by everyone at that time, every Macgyverims was like magic and everyone was happy with the show + add RDA. Now is really easy to judge every new episode but this new team and concept are not what I already understand as Macgyver. However as per ratings this new version is succeeding at some point.



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The reboot isn't awful, and has it's redeeming qualities. There are a lot of differences though.

The original show gave a damn... the reboot only seems to care about ratings.

That is the turn off for me, but I know that's what most shows on TV are all about.

MacGyver 2.0 is kinda like junk food television, where as original MacGyver was comfort food television. XD




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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 10 May 2017 - 06:38 PM)
The original show gave a damn... the reboot only seems to care about ratings.

That is the turn off for me, but I know that's what most shows on TV are all about.

MacGyver 2.0 is kinda like junk food television, where as original MacGyver was comfort food television. XD

That's a problem, but it's not the reboot or the showrunner's fault.

Remember "Limitless" on CBS last year? The show had an average rating of 7 million live viewers and 1.34 in the 18-49 age demographics. It got cancelled after 1 Season.

Season 1 of the MacGyver Reboot had an average rating of 7.7 million live viewers, but only 1.08 in the 18-49 demo. It probably got a pass because Fridays are different when it comes to ratings and because MacGyver is already a well-known brand internationally with potential for a franchise. It sold very well last year despite them only showing parts of a pilot that they already knew would be scrapped and reshot. That's why they kept pushing for a September premiere.

And it shows. Many episodes feel rushed and soulless because of the necessary re-casting and re-locating and re-writing all the scripts they might have had.

I guess it gets better this season, but I'm not so sure if it gets another renewal if the ratings continue to fall.



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It greatly depends. I think the show will do just fine, as it's not a bad show at all. There are many things about the reboot I like and would like to see continue.

But production and quality of the show isn't my beef. MacGyver has a reputation, and so far they haven't lived up to it. I would like to see MacGyver 2.0 tackles problems of the real world, like the original did.

I know, I know... some feel it wouldn't work, but I'm not so sure. I feel there's a bit of a hunger for positive role models lately. Maybe it's just me... but, meh... =P

It's really just my personal opinion. I just would like to see some old school Mac in MacGyver 2.0, that's all.



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I personally dislike the new show. Just put in another episode of old Mac the other day and wow! Superior by far. Music, style, character focus, Mac as a lone wolf taking the audience with him from the get go. I was immediately hooked. Not bad for a 30 year plus show.

The new one doesn't seem try anymore. No opening gambits of note. Just jokes and more jokes. No SAK. Hair getting shorter and shorter. Robots. Its completely foreign. Its CSI. Why not call it CIA? That's what it basically is.

Find it very odd. hmm.bmp



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I can't say I dislike it, but it's just not the same. Sort of like coming home after years abroad. I'll still take my 80s Mac anyday!!



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I totally agree, Barry. I started watching the show and found it OK as long as I didn't think of it as MacGyver. Then I found the original MacGyver reruns and slowly stopped watching the reboot. I still think it would be easier to swallow if the new MacGyver was somehow related to or influenced by the original Mac. But the studio made such a big deal of insisting he IS MacGyver, and that just doesn't work for me and probably not for most fans of the original and RDA. And I doubt it would matter for people new to the show. It's OK for what it is, but it is NOT MacGyver.



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But isnt that the whole argument? biggrin.gif

It aint Mac. Its CSI. laugh.gif

If it was MacGyver then yes. But they have taken the shell of the character and placed him into another show.

Totally foreign. The fact that its a well produced show or has a respectable budget are semantics.

It' like taking 007 and putting him into a romance novel. It just isnt Bond. You can call him Bond. He can walk around with his Walther PPK but it still isnt Bond.



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Exactly.



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I agree with just about everything mentioned here.

I liked the show when it started out, and thought it was pretty promising. But after most of the way through the second season, I gave up on it. Two main reasons: Mattie, and the cast growing too big.

I found Mattie seriously annoying. I had no problem with her being a dwarf, as some fans did. My problem with the character was how she acted towards the team. She treated them like they were little kids just waiting to pull their next naughty stunt, rather than as professional adults who actually knew what they were doing. Patricia Thornton (LOVED this nod to the character of Pete!) might have been rather chilly, but at least she conducted herself like a pro. Was very disappointed when she left.

As for the rest of the cast... they should have kept it to Jack and Mac, or, at worst, Jack, Mac, and Riley. Bozer was a decent character, but I'm not sure he should have been in the show at all, or maybe made an occasional appearance. When he came on board with the rest of the team, it began to feel rather forced, like "Ok, here's another addition to the team- what's he going to do?" Then they added Cage... and it just got out of control, IMO.

Oh, and one more thing... small, but annoying. The episode titles. Seriously, what were they thinking, naming episodes after tools? It's just weird.



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The adding of Riley was a good move. Getting Bozer on board was a poor move, just as kicking Patricia out halfway season 1. Matty did become a bit more likeable but stuffing an episode with three storylines is just a big no-no if you only have 45 minutes to do so. Even two seemed kinda of full. The show clearly has it's flaws. Flaws that could've been prevented no doubt with a bit of decent guidance, but I can like and watch the show at least.



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QUOTE (MacGyverOnline @ 7 April 2017 - 09:39 PM)
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I want to see the new Mac eventually become the man taking charge rather than the whiz kid who allows the tougher, burlier older man to protect him while he mixes his chemicals and messes with circuits and paperclips.

This is probably my biggest complaint about the new show and also the biggest let down.

The whole point of MacGyver was that he could think his way out of a situation. He didn't need a body guard or a constant team helping do the stuff he couldn't do. Occasionally he would get help, but the help worked under his supervision to achieve his goal.

This new MacGyver [b]COMPLETELY misses that entire concept[b]. He's constantly followed by an idiot who's first response to anything is violence AND carried a gun with him and a team ready to shot back first.

Of coarse it's an unrealistic idea.. but so is what they do in the CSI shows but it didn't stop them from doing it and the show drew a large interest into CS science. The point is to provide an entertaining presentation of the concept so people become interested in the idea and start incorporating it into what they do.

I honestly don't know how someone can be a fan of MacGyver and miss this fundamental concept of the show.


YOU NAILED IT!!!

I had to stop watching after the second season and have never even been tempted to watch it again.

RDA as MacGyver was a loner who thought on his feet and used whatever was at hand to get out of, or solve a situation.

He used hits wits, science and common sense.

There is absolutely nothing to admire in the rebooted MacGyver.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again and again, they should have called the reboot "The Phoenix Foundation" and then Mac's place in the "group" would have made more sense the way he's written and portrayed in it.

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QUOTE (Mac2Nite @ 17 July 2020 - 08:18 AM)
QUOTE (MacGyverOnline @ 7 April 2017 - 09:39 PM)
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I want to see the new Mac eventually become the man taking charge rather than the whiz kid who allows the tougher, burlier older man to protect him while he mixes his chemicals and messes with circuits and paperclips.

This is probably my biggest complaint about the new show and also the biggest let down.

The whole point of MacGyver was that he could think his way out of a situation. He didn't need a body guard or a constant team helping do the stuff he couldn't do. Occasionally he would get help, but the help worked under his supervision to achieve his goal.

This new MacGyver COMPLETELY misses that entire concept. He's constantly followed by an idiot who's first response to anything is violence AND carried a gun with him and a team ready to shot back first.

Of coarse it's an unrealistic idea.. but so is what they do in the CSI shows but it didn't stop them from doing it and the show drew a large interest into CS science. The point is to provide an entertaining presentation of the concept so people become interested in the idea and start incorporating it into what they do.

I honestly don't know how someone can be a fan of MacGyver and miss this fundamental concept of the show.


YOU NAILED IT!!!

I had to stop watching after the second season and have never even been tempted to watch it again.

RDA as MacGyver was a loner who thought on his feet and used whatever was at hand to get out of, or solve a situation.

He used hits wits, science and common sense.

There is absolutely nothing to admire in the rebooted MacGyver.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again and again, they should have called the reboot "The Phoenix Foundation" and then Mac's place in the "group" would have made more sense the way he's written and portrayed in it.

IMHO


I've had the same thought often...

...but "The Phoenix Foundation" doesn't quite sell a potential watcher like "MacGyver" does.



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