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[COLOR=blue]votes a of 26 March 2006
Poor [ 1 ] [7.14%] Average [ 1 ] [7.14%] OK [ 1 ] [7.14%] Good [ 3 ] [21.43%] Excellent [ 8 ] [57.14%] Total Votes: 14
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QUOTE (MacGyverGod Dec 13 2004 @ 02:13 AM ) | Again one of the weaker episodes of the first season. I can't figure out why but it just didn't please me and this happened more then once in the first season. |
QUOTE (zhennu Dec 13 2004 @ 04:22 PM ) | I have to find this excellente. xD The hang glider scene was sweet! And then the uh...slingy that MacGyver used to knock the other guy off his horse? Nice aiming. xP |
QUOTE (MacGyver Dec 14 2004 @ 05:17 AM ) | I thought this was an excellent episode! I mainly love the message that MacGyver got across at the end, that his killing the Afghanistan soldier was not justified and that's why MacGyver let him live. As it turned out, it wound up helping him escape in the end!
Also, I liked the hang glider bit and MacGyver's slingshot. Every time I see that, I can't help but think of David taking out Goliath with a stone in a sling! |
QUOTE (Asbjørn Jan 22 2006 @ 02:09 AM ) | For rome reason, I'm very intrested in pain.. dunno why, but it made me like this episode... anyway; There aren't many action shows that'll actually let the hero pass out from the pain he is feeling -one of the good things about the MacGyver series: he's human, not a machine.
- Of course Mac couldn't kill the guy, wouldn't be very characteristic of him, now would it?... |
QUOTE (MacsChick Jan 22 2006 @ 01:25 PM ) | I have to agree, there. For some reason, I'm interested in pain and vulnerability, too. I guess part of that is that yes, it makes him more human, but also, he's just so sweet that if you're a woman, you want to mother him! One of my favorite episodes! |
QUOTE (Sjaop Jan 22 2006 @ 11:57 PM ) | I voted good, as I think the plotlines are a little too obvious, but I like the fact that he is wounded too (no, I'm not a sadist) No I am not oversexed (well,...... maybe a little), but I think it is sexy to see how Mac is injured and being nursed. I agree on the fact that Mac's vulnerability adds a lot to the show.
I also like the fact that when he punches someone in the face, his hand aches |
QUOTE (rockatteer Jan 23 2006 @ 08:56 AM ) | I'd love ot see him punch someone, but not knock them out... him holding his hand, the other guy laying on the ground holding his jaw going... "Oooowwww .. what the hell did you do that for?"
Would be a funny scene |
QUOTE (MacsChick Jan 23 2006 @ 04:04 PM ) | That would be a funny scene! And then Mac could be holding his hurt hand and reply, "I have no idea!" |
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I stand by my earlier comments. I think "To Be A Man" is an excellent episode! I think there's a good mix of action throughout the episode, along with some cool MacGyverisms- particularly the tank MacGyver shoots off at the bad guy. And the hang-gliding is cool too. I also think it's one of the most powerful episodes for its message- especially when you think of the title. What does it mean "to be a man"? That you can shoot a gun and go out and kill people in a war? Or maybe that you realize that only you have control over your own actions and you are responsible for them? I think it's something important that Ahmed grapples with- and learns a different approach from MacGyver. I especially love that scene where MacGyver takes someone down with a sling- as I can't help but think of David taking out Goliath with a slingshot in 1 Samuel 16 in The Bible! This is significant because I'm reminded of David in more than just this scene. I also remember another incident in The Bible where David is being hunted down to be killed by King Saul (though not for anything wrong David had done). While on the run from Saul, David has 2 opportunities to kill him, but passes both up, saying that Saul is still God's annointed king and he doesn't have the right to take his life- only God can decide that. I think this is also the message that resonates with me in this episode of MacGyver. Mac has a similar choice to kill one of his enemies- but instead decides to let him live. Ahmed, who has grown up with war going on in his country, can't understand why MacGyver did not kill the enemy. "Because I didn't have to," MacGyver replies. And because MacGyver chose not to kill the soldier when he had the chance, the grateful soldier allows MacGyver, Zia and Ahmed to escape at the end of the episode in return. For me, this episode just speaks strongly to the sanctity of all human life and emphasizes the respect for all living things that everyone should have, like Albert Schweitzer talked about. For me, powerful messages like this make up for any "lackluster" episodes as far as action goes. (Though I think every episode of MacGyver has plenty of action- they're all great!)
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Yep, you know I gave it an EXCELLENT vote for the shoulder injury. Yep, yep, yep!!! I also like the fact that Mac's good deed comes back to reward him, etc. Lots of underlying messages in this ep, and I like it, but the whumpage is what first made it stand out in my mind. I'm shameless, I know, but it's true. It's a sickness. And I don't want to be cured.
"Now, come on, Pete! Look at me! I'm a hurtin' guy! I'm beat up! I need a month's worth of sleep! And I need a haircut!" MacGyver, 'Serenity'
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QUOTE (MacGyver @ 7 November 2007 - 02:06 AM) | If MacGyver gets hurt, that just adds more drama to the episode, which is fine. |
I think you're right with this one. It makes you worry more whether or not he will be able to beat the bad guys. We all know he can do it when feeling at his best, but this is just more challenging.
And I keep wondering whether Mac would have still been hurt, if RDA not had been already? Or do you think the whole episode was written without any pain at first? I wonder how that would have turned out. Would be very different.
But the way he tumbled down with the hangglider (nice stunt!) I think he would have been hurt one way or the other (but I thought it was a bit stupid by Mac, to be so visible at the hill top, he should have crouched down! He knew he was pursuaded).
QUOTE (Asbjørn Jan 22 2006 @ 02:09 AM ) | There aren't many action shows that'll actually let the hero pass out from the pain he is feeling -one of the good things about the MacGyver series: he's human, not a machine. |
Apparently I have seen to many hard core heroes running around with broken ribs etc. - I remember thinking "Why can't Mac walk if it is only a shoulder injury?"
Well, away from the injuries/pain for a minute: I wonder what would have become of Mac if Ahmed's mother had not allowed for him to stay. He was willing to leave, to not cause any trouble, or even threat to them, you could see it in his eyes, he was determined to do it alone. Wouldn't have come far, though.
Oh, and I would like to know who this woman in the office was, that looked together with Pete for Mac's progress with the plane? I haven't seen this episode in the right order - did we see her before or after again? Did she have anything more to do than looking worried?
Since we're already talking about women - I remember there was a discussion here months ago, whether Mac and Ahmed's mother did together or not... Personally I don't think that anything happened (though the music sounded very promising) but there were only two beds in the room, and you kinda wonder, where she did sleep, after all...
But honestly, what I wonder about most is always how easily people are leaving their homes. To leave everything behind, everything they know, they like, to face an uncertain future. Granted, they did not have much choice in the end (but I was sad that Mac's repairing of the pump was for nothing), but this goes for many other episodes as well. At the slightest chance everybody turns tail and runs over the border. What about friends, family that gets left behind? But that's a different story.
I again would like to know what became of the young Russian soldier. Somehow they never bother to tell us about the minor characteres. After he let Mac go - which was great, of course - I'm pretty sure he did not return to his superiors, especially with these threats hanging over his head.
So, did he grab the opportunity and cross the border in his shiny little tank himself, maybe? But why did he not take Mac and the others along with him?

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QUOTE | Oh, and I would like to know who this woman in the office was, that looked together with Pete for Mac's progress with the plane? I haven't seen this episode in the right order - did we see her before or after again? Did she have anything more to do than looking worried? |
That was Pete's secretary. I'm pretty sure she turns up again at the Phoenix Foundation, although it might be a different person, but it makes sense that a manager would have a secretary.
QUOTE | But honestly, what I wonder about most is always how easily people are leaving their homes. To leave everything behind, everything they know, they like, to face an uncertain future. Granted, they did not have much choice in the end (but I was sad that Mac's repairing of the pump was for nothing), but this goes for many other episodes as well. At the slightest chance everybody turns tail and runs over the border. What about friends, family that gets left behind? |
They didn't have friends, family.. nothing, they weren't even in a town or anything, so I would say it was pretty easy to leave for greener pastures.
When you can see better opportunities in a new location than what you already have, it's pretty easy to move.
QUOTE | Somehow they never bother to tell us about the minor characteres. |
Thats why they're called minor characters  they don't matter. QUOTE | I again would like to know what became of the young Russian soldier. I'm pretty sure he did not return to his superiors, especially with these threats hanging over his head. |
which threats are you talking about? I would have assumed he would just tell his superiors that he hadn't seen them. How would they know any different? I think the whole idea of that scene was that he was only able to let the go becasue there was no-one else around, which is what makes the scene more special, MacGyver had no-where.
QUOTE | And I keep wondering whether Mac would have still been hurt, if RDA not had been already? Or do you think the whole episode was written without any pain at first? I wonder how that would have turned out. Would be very different. |
I think the fact that they tried to cover up RDAs injury indicates that it had nothing to do with the story. The story was probably written way before he was injured; they may have used his injury to their advantage, or may have used the story line and scenes to help cover up his injury.. but either way I think the story was written as an episode and not as a cover for RDA's injuries.
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QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 3 January 2008 - 02:51 AM) | That was Pete's secretary. I'm pretty sure she turns up again at the Phoenix Foundation, although it might be a different person, but it makes sense that a manager would have a secretary. |
Yeah, I remember the secretary from later episodes being a much older women, wasn't she? I didn't catch the name though to know whether that shall be the same person.
QUOTE | When you can see better opportunities in a new location than what you already have, it's pretty easy to move. |
Yeah, in this case, I agree. But I will come back with this in other episodes, count on that QUOTE | Thats why they're called minor characters they don't matter. |
Maybe to the people that only watch it as a TV-show. But I watch it as if it was "real", and though I haven't written any Mac-fiction so far, I see it with the eyes of a writer, who always asks: What happened after the director yelled "Cut!"? Real Life never stops, it goes on and on, and I look out for a good story to make out of it. But I know of course that you can't answer every question in only 45 minute frame (well, maybe they could, if they cut down on long boring car chases etc.  ) QUOTE | which threats are you talking about? I would have assumed he would just tell his superiors that he hadn't seen them. |
Wasn't there a court martial hanging over his head? Maybe I did not understand everything of this scene, but when he came back, after Mac had thrown the roof over him, the superior said something like "If you find him, then .... and if you don't find him, then court martial".
So, that he still let Mac go, knowing what would happen to him, I only can explain by that he did not plan to return himself, at all.
QUOTE | I think the fact that they tried to cover up RDAs injury indicates that it had nothing to do with the story. The story was probably written way before he was injured; they may have used his injury to their advantage, or may have used the story line and scenes to help cover up his injury.. but either way I think the story was written as an episode and not as a cover for RDA's injuries. |
Yes, but I mean, if he wasn't hurt at all in the original written story, how would they then explain that he turned to Ahmed and his mother for help? If he was fit and healthy, he just would have escaped as he had planned before all of this happened (and how exactly did he plan to escape, anyway? See - another question for an author!) - and then this would have become a whole different story IMO.
In Sci-Fi-Shows it is called AU - alternative universe. We could ask "What if Mac wasn't wounded" and this story could take a different direction.
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I felt so sorry for MacGyver when he bite down on a stick and was burned.
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