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Sigh.

Here we go again... I know I mentioned it before, and maybe it's nitpicking, but the music in this show drives me nuts. For example, during the exposition scene with the old Russian guy, there was no need to have ANY music at all, but for some reason, they had some fast tempo synthesizer music behind it. WHY? It didn't fit the scene at all and actually detracted from it. But this show does that all the time-- it constantly feels busy because there's always some frenetic synth music behind every scene, regardless of whether it's appropriate or not.

Also, I'm seeing now that the show is extremely formulaic. Every episode, we get an opening gambit, followed by a pointless scene with Bozer, followed by exposition at the Phoenix Foundation, and then Mac, Jack and Riley head off on their adventure of the week. I hope they start varying this a bit soon.

So Mac won't use a gun, but he no problem creating a massive fireball to burn his pursuers to death? Okay, I give up trying to figure out his thinking.

The biggest problem is still the simple fact that Mac just isn't a compelling character to watch. There's nothing particularly charismatic about him, I still don't get any sense of passion from him about anything, it's like he's just there because it's his job. As I watched this, I kept thinking how the original Mac would have given some impassioned speech about the lunacy of trying to blow people up to make Russia powerful again, but here, we get nothing.

I know I was one of the more optimistic people after the first episode, but sadly, that optimism has worn off. (Am I just in a lousy mood tonight? lol.)

 
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 14 October 2016 - 09:31 PM)
Am I just in a lousy mood tonight?

Nope, you've just come back to reality.

This show has everything wrong. Maybe they need to get some of the H5O writers and directors on board and forget about the "only hiring people who were fans of the show" thing. That clearly isn't working.

I'd be willing to forgive the crappyness of the end product if they had kept the characters and universe as we know it in tact. But the producers clearly haven't given any thought (or don't care about) the fact that the fans have known this show for so long and know the characters so well they are like friends to us and that doing a complete change to these characters is essentially saying that they don't care about the original show or the fans.

I'm trying to think of a reboot which has made such drastic changes to as this one. Even the Knight Rider reboot kept the timeline in tact. Even had the Hoff do the handover in the pilot and the new "Mike" was Micheal Knights son.

Unless there's some big changes I think I'm done with this reboot now. I gave it 4 episodes and all of them are crap. I'm out.




 
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I think I actually enjoyed this one a bit more. I agree the music is still terrible. However, gone are the annoying words on screen while making a macgyverism, and the flour thing actually seemed very much like something he would have done in the original. Penny Parker did remind me a bit of the Penny from the original, I was just disappointed she wasn't a bit more involved in the story this week. I do hope they pay attention to the complaint on the music. I think it is really holding back the episodes and making them feel cheap. I do wish we could see a bit more from Lucas. He has potential but he plays it so safe. I'd like to see him Own it a little bit, add some character to it, right now he feels quite flat.

 
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I thought there were some bit that were a bit silly, the bomb looked like a toy, and that keyboard repair... I don't believe.

And I would hardly think that for someone that did clandestine activities, MacGyver would leave his laptop unlocked and lying around for his roommate to get into. Duh.

But I am rather excited to see Elya Baskin, cos he was in the original series, as Yuri Demetri from Soft Touch (aka 'Biff'....hahahahah). I recognised him immediately, and was really happy to see him in the new one. A familiar face is always nice, though I am not sure if that was because they wanted to pay tribute to the original, or they didn't have many russian men in Hollywood? wink.gif

Definitely, the Penny Parker was a throwaway character, I barely noticed her.

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QUOTE (InVader @ 15 October 2016 - 08:12 PM)
However, gone are the annoying words on screen while making a macgyverism, and the flour thing actually seemed very much like something he would have done in the original.


True. Aside from the overly violent nature of that MacGyverism, it did feel like something from the original series, and you're right, the on-screen text is gone. That's an improvement, definitely.

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Penny Parker did remind me a bit of the Penny from the original,

Yeah. In fact, I'll go so far as to say she seems like the character who's most true to the original (yeah, I know they changed her backstory with Mac, but I don't care.) I wonder if we'll see more of her.


On a negative note: One other thing this show gets wrong are the moments that are supposed to carry emotional impact. I THINK the final scene with Bannister's mailbox was supposed to be sad, but it wasn't. We never knew anything at all about Bannister, and never had any hint of the characters' relationships with Bannister, so it was hard to care. It was like trying to make us feel sad about some random extra. And the fact that the show was being goofy and playing Salt N Pepa music two minutes earlier didn't help.

 
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 15 October 2016 - 11:45 PM)
I THINK the final scene with Bannister's mailbox was supposed to be sad, but it wasn't. We never knew anything at all about Bannister, and never had any hint of the characters' relationships with Bannister, so it was hard to care.

Wonder if that was a nod back to the original Craig Banister


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QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 16 October 2016 - 01:13 AM)
QUOTE (Miasma @ 15 October 2016 - 11:45 PM)
I THINK the final scene with Bannister's mailbox was supposed to be sad, but it wasn't.  We never knew anything at all about Bannister, and never had any hint of the characters' relationships with Bannister, so it was hard to care.

Wonder if that was a nod back to the original Craig Banister

Yeah, I think that's a safe assumption. They were both Phoenix field operatives with the same name.

 
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Don't be too harsh on us (Europeans ) who can't watch the episodes unless we resort to...(I only watched the pilot).
Are spoilers allowed here ? Could Miasma (or anybody else ) explain what he said about the 'different backstory of Penny with Mac' ? Please ? We are family... unsure.gif

 
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If Miasma didn't like it, I'm not even bothering watching this week! I think I'm out of this now. It has no feeling, no compassion, no nothing, and its obvious that atmosphere isn't going to come back now. I realized it more last week after watching an original.

I am sorry to say this, but give me the Knight Rider reboot any day of the week, and that had its flaws, but heck, I still knew what I was watching!

 
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QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 15 October 2016 - 09:13 AM)
QUOTE (Miasma @ 15 October 2016 - 11:45 PM)
I THINK the final scene with Bannister's mailbox was supposed to be sad, but it wasn't.  We never knew anything at all about Bannister, and never had any hint of the characters' relationships with Bannister, so it was hard to care.

Wonder if that was a nod back to the original Craig Banister

totally missed that easter egg untill just now going to rewatch it with the wife (long story as to why she didn't watch it but)

a few thoughts

first to walter etc Mac did explosions all the time in the original seriously the bamboo thing from family matter the chemical bomb in grrr episode names are escaping me

anyways I still don't get the complaint that the characters are nothing like the orioginal because ok a few back story elements changed but since this is a reboot i guess I can accept that far more then anyone else ( much like the line from Casino Royale where bond doesn't care if he has his martini shaken or stirred I get why bond is young not in control of his emotions but the fan community...never mind)

this may be my favorite episode the only negative I can honestly think of (the music is cheesy but not horrible hey considering they used hip hop to push the show this past summer I will take weird electronic and orchestral music over the *censored* in the trailers ANY DAY) is the whole angus thing but the way Penny uses it is in the same way my wife uses Daniel no one calls me daniel unless i am in trouble it's always Danny or Dan or for 2 glorious years of my life Mac or Macgyver.

Honestly Penny is annoying but hot and to be fair so was the original (rewatch Cleo rocks one of these days Teri is nearly painful to watch in the opening)


I do worry Till might be playing it too safe at times I feel he is living in Anderson's shadow and i suppose that is where Jared had some freedom over Lucas (comparing this to Macgyver 2003 which before you say you mean young macgyver uhm watch the leaked boot I think young would of been dropped by the time it got picked up) Lucas I feel in this episode is a little trapped in anderson's shadow but I still feel he did fantastic


As an IT guy the keyboard tick I can tell you is 110% accurate. as is the Y2k thing

anyways as always

Negatives

1. I agree with other posters and would hope Penny gets in a bit more trouble and if I am being bluntly honest would it kill her to sleep with Mac we no longer have the women will only watch if mac is single nonsense the show was saddled with in the late 80's early 90's let penny and mac have what was forever hinted at in the original show

2. Angus again

3. where are they going with Nikki isn't she supposed to be the overarching enemy???
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1. Wilt was in like 5 seconds
2. great plot
3. great macgyverisms
4. Till was good
5. Thorton was more human
6. I loved Mac questioning Thorton in front of everyone something the original Mac would do
7. Dalton is always great and like Iron Maiden he refences Yes (my favorite band) once and he may be my most beloved character


 
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QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 15 October 2016 - 08:13 AM)
QUOTE (Miasma @ 15 October 2016 - 11:45 PM)
I THINK the final scene with Bannister's mailbox was supposed to be sad, but it wasn't.  We never knew anything at all about Bannister, and never had any hint of the characters' relationships with Bannister, so it was hard to care.

Wonder if that was a nod back to the original Craig Banister

I just finished the episode off the CBS website... and that named bugged me because I couldn't remember where I heard it before in the original. I did a quick search and came across Craig... and I was like... aahhhhh... that's it. lol

I would assume it was an easter egg.

I have to agree with Miasma that the emotional impact is lacking... I think it's because we really haven't had a chance to connect with any of the characters just yet.

I mean, that little emotional section in Metal Saw with Jack was just awkward...

Other than that, it's still continues to be amusing... But if they don't step up their game, this show isn't gonna last the first season.

@tvero - The backstory with Mac and Penny was that Penny was Mac's first date and first kiss. There's a foggy flashback of them kissing as youths as he talks about having an ex-girlfriend as a friend.

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Thanks ,Jediferret. I thought it might be something like that .
So, Nikki is hot, Riley is hot, Penny is hot .
Unfortunately Jack and Mac aren't ...too bad.

 
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I see where they are going. The episode names are the main ingredient in a MacGyverism. Whatever, I wish they would title them differently.

Ok, I haven't read the comments yet, but to start off with, TELL ME IT AIN'T SO AND I'M DREAMING! They put PENNY PARKER in this one? And redid the history to where she was a former girlfriend? TELL ME IT AIN'T SO!

Ok, I loved the fact that they included a former guest start from the original series (name is escaping me now) in this show.


Oh man, LOVING IT! Right before the keyboard MacGyverism, he did "the look" as he gazed around to see what he had to work with.

Other than Penny Parker, I liked this episode.

Even though they completely redid Jack Dalton, I want some "nod" to Bruce McGill. Another Fly By Night Airline, some get rich quick scheme....... something. If they just do ONE nod to Bruce McGill, I'll accept George Eads.

I never thought Bruce McGill himself would get any work after MacGyver, but I have been impressed with how steadily he has been working! LOVED him in "Sum of All Fears."

 
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That's it for me. This abysmal episode was the last nail in the coffin.
Bye bye MacGyver 2016.

 
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QUOTE (Macgyver12186 @ 15 October 2016 - 10:39 AM)
first to walter etc Mac did explosions all the time in the original seriously the bamboo thing from family matter the chemical bomb in grrr episode names are escaping me

When did I say anything about explosions??!


 
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Everyone who is saying they're done with it.....I'll see you here next week, discussing the next episode. smile.gif

C'mon guys! It's a fun show. Sure, it's not the same. And for me personally, I don't want it to be the same as the old MacGyver.If I want to see that, I'll throw in a dvd. It's just nice to be tuning into a TV show called MacGyver in 2016.

And you know the producers of the show are scouring the web for all this feedback. On this site and others. So if they get renewed for a second season, I'm pretty sure they will be listening to us and coming up with things that will be a little more true to the original.

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QUOTE (Frog @ 16 October 2016 - 01:17 PM)
So if they get renewed for a second season, I'm pretty sure they will be listening to us and coming up with things that will be a little more true to the original.

I believe that's true. IF the show gets renewed, I fully expect an overhaul. There is no way that the showrunners can not be aware of the most common complaints such as Bozer being pointless, Mac having too many co-stars, MacGyverisms being rushed, too much gunplay, etc, etc. And that's the reason I hope the show remains at least successful enough to get a second season.

 
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QUOTE (MacsJeep @ 16 October 2016 - 02:30 AM)
If Miasma didn't like it, I'm not even bothering watching this week!

Hey, you're making it sound as if I liked all the previous episodes! I enjoyed the first episode, but I think that was largely because the novelty of having a show named MacGyver back on the air had me excited. If you look back at my comments about the second and third episodes, you'll see I wasn't impressed with either of them. I was able to find a few decent moments in each, but overall, I found more things to fault than to praise.

 
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QUOTE (Frog @ 16 October 2016 - 01:17 PM)
And you know the producers of the show are scouring the web for all this feedback. On this site and others. So if they get renewed for a second season, I'm pretty sure they will be listening to us and coming up with things that will be a little more true to the original.

I think you mean "we hope" they are.

The only place I've seen any interaction with fans is on Twitter and there is very little negativity in the MacGyver channels there, it's mostly positive feedback.


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Here are my thoughts on the episode. Miasma, great minds think alike on the overabundance of background music. smile.gif

 
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just finished the episode, don't get me wrong but i don't have any positive impressions, this was like a low budget movie...Let's recap- they managed to get 2 Russians who were able to create a bomb like 60 years ago, both living in the US-- how convenient, but one of those guys still has a house in Russia... that btw preserved a copy of the old computer in working condition (man I think I chose the wrong career I like to have that life) but the bad guys don't have any resources in this modern world that we are living, like they were stuck in the 60s....

in my own opinion the episode lacks of structure, i hate the fact that the whole team is involved by traveling, shooting and joking like it their missions were just a game (i know it's acting but shouldn't be like close to real life? they could die at any moment) maybe I expected more considering the producers they have- but it's so frustrating going back and just remember the first 4 episodes of the original but well... ohhh got it, the only positive thing was Jack's car, but that's all!


 
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Penny called him Angus??!! WTH!!!!??????

NO-ONE CALLS HIM ANGUS!!!!!

His names MACGYVER! Just MacGyver. On it's own. No first name needed because he HATES IT!

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I've also noticed that for a show about a guy who chooses not to use guns so it can promote brains over brawn... there sure is a lot of guns and shooting... lots of brawn not much brains. dry.gif


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Does the show see a daylight after season 1?

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QUOTE (InVader @ 15 October 2016 - 10:12 AM)
I do wish we could see a bit more from Lucas. He has potential but he plays it so safe. I'd like to see him Own it a little bit, add some character to it, right now he feels quite flat.

I actually liked this one the best - there was definitely some improvement: Gone are the annoying words trying to explain to us what a paperclip is *halleluja*.

Also, Lucas' performance has really improved although I still don' t really feel him; but that could be because everyone else on the team gets so much screentime and funny one-liners that there isn't much time left to let Lucas shine. Even if CBS insisted on the team aspect (or Lenkov and the writers think it wouldn't sell otherwise), the show is still called "MacGyver" and not "Team MacGyver or "CSI: MacGyver".

While I'm really glad that I could finally "feel" Thornton as a real human (guilt-ridden with tears and maybe a dark side), I think the episode shouldn't have ended with 2 final scenes on other team-members and even a non-member (Riley and Elya's character vs. Thornton and Jack). It should have ended with MacGyver.

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QUOTE (Frog @ 16 October 2016 - 01:17 PM)
Everyone who is saying they're done with it.....I'll see you here next week, discussing the next episode. smile.gif

C'mon guys! It's a fun show. Sure, it's not the same. And for me personally, I don't want it to be the same as the old MacGyver.If I want to see that, I'll throw in a dvd. It's just nice to be tuning into a TV show called MacGyver in 2016.

And you know the producers of the show are scouring the web for all this feedback. On this site and others. So if they get renewed for a second season, I'm pretty sure they will be listening to us and coming up with things that will be a little more true to the original.

You won't, because I haven't even watched this episode. I came in here to get an overall reaction before I even bothered, and what everyone has posted merely confirmed what I suspected. So I didn't waste 45 mins on it.

This Mac has a moral compass that goes where it likes. He IS NOT the character I still love from the original, and I don't think at this point he is ever going to be. The writers clearly don't get what Mac was about, and they don't even get the fact he hated Angus as a name.

I love action, I really do, Die Hard, Terminator etc, but that was NOT what Mac was about, and yet every week its still all about the violence. It doesn't matter that its not Mac doing it, he doesn't seem to care when his "Team" is. A team which gets on my nerves anyway. Mac should have fewer people around him.

Oh, and the episodes are like watching the same thing every week. I liked the unpredictability of the original - like Forrest Gump's chocolates, you never knew what you were going to get. (Sometimes that was also a bad thing, I know, but as a whole it worked) With this revamp its like they throw in the same ingredients every week. And it bores me.

So, no I won't be watching any more, and I'm not shocked the ratings are slowly, ever so slowly dipping.






 
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QUOTE (MiracleMac @ 16 October 2016 - 01:22 PM)
Does the show see a daylight after season 1?

I guess since CBS was willing to...
...greenlight a pilot without a script
...later picking it up as a series without actually having a pilot to show and a crew/cast to work with (if you remember the Unaired Pilot that shall not be named)
... AND setting a release date for Fall Season instead of waiting some more to set the rebooted reboot up,
they're probably willing to go on with it even if the ratings are lower then they usually would allow.

They seem to regard MacGyver as a bankable franchise that they intend to keep alive.

So I actually think it's possible that the Reboot gets a full season order and maybe even a second season. I wouldn't mind that if they start improving other stuff as well; the most important being the character and core of MacGyver himself.

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If the ratings keep dropping, I wonder if there will be a mid-season hiatus to give them time to retool the show. I've seen that happen with other shows. The problem is that by then, the damage is already done, and the people who abandoned it usually aren't willing to come back and give it another shot, so the show usually gets cancelled soon after that.

I do think the show is salvageable if they do the following:

1. Make Jack a recurring guest star, and let Mac have more adventures on his own. Hopefully that will force them to develop Mac's personality a bit more, too.

2. Vary the adventures and the show's formula. Not every adventure needs to start with a briefing at the Phoenix Foundation. Let Mac occasionally stumble into an adventure just by chance while trying to help someone.

3. Slow down the MacGyverisms, even if it means fewer per episode.

4. Completely change the style of the music, and get rid of it in scenes when it's not needed. Go for something more orchestral. Even if it's a fake orchestra because of budget and time constraints, that's fine. Sean Callery did a great job on 24, for example, creating powerful orchestral-style music on synths. Come up with some memorable themes.

5. Stop relying on guns so much. I'm not saying the show needs to become an anti-gun PSA, but as everyone has already said, it completely negates the point of MacGyver if he's constantly protected by people who carry guns.


I really don't mind the little differences between this show and the original. If they want to get rid of the idea of him hating the name Angus, fine. That doesn't affect my enjoyment at all. If they want to have his father still alive, again that's fine. Having Penny as a childhood girlfriend... fine, whatever. I don't need this show to be a carbon-copy of the original in every detail, but it should remain true to the spirit of the original, and that means getting the big stuff right.

 
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The ratings have indeed dropped tremendously! Very concerning! ohmy.gif

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