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Posted: 15 May 2019 - 07:46 AM                                    
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CBS have announced today that Hawaii Five-0 will take over MacGyverís Friday nights time-slot as they move MacGyver to a mid-season show meaning it wont be back until at least January 2020.

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Such disappointing news. MacGyver did well on Fridays particularly with little to no promo from CBS or Lenkov. Why are they pushing Magnum? Without coming after the AFC championship its ratings were not that good. and I am sick of all NCIS shows. Somehow Bull is on the schedule even after some controversy. If CBS thinks they have a winning schedule they are deluded. I wont watch CBS til Mac returns. But I'm not a Nielson family so I know I dont matter.



 
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I hear ya. blowup.gif blowup.gif blowup.gif I was looking forward to seeing during the fall but it looks like we all have to wait until the mid-season to see how the season premiere even though there would be fewer episodes than before. I would watch Magnum PI when it came on Mondays and Macgyver, Hawaii five 0, and Blue Bloods on Fridays. But now I have to wait until mid-season to see Macgyver and if they were thinking about doing a three-way cross-over they have to do it during the mid-season.



 
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That's a bit... odd. MacGyver, even the original, always aired in the fall. O_o I would think they would continue that tradition. CBS is weird....



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I worried that with the dropping ratings, they would switch MacGyver with Magnum (they clearly have an interest in saving Magnum; the renewal of the show was a surprise with those ratings). But I never thought that the prediction by "Season Zero" would actually turn out to be true blink.gif

One could argue that CBS has a new management and is trying to test out new things. And that at least the show didn't get cancelled or shoved to 22pm or to Saturdays in the middle of the season to die a quiet death (like they did with Justin Hires' "Rush Hour").

But for years, a Fall show being shoved to mid-season usually meant that a show is done and won't come back for another season... since the network doesn't deem it to be "worthy" anymore to occupy a prime time timeslot. Starting mid-season, the ratings will inevitably drop further than usual, and CBS knows it - either, they don't care (since they already have a syndication deal fixed), or they don't care because this gives them a valid reason to cancel it without having to admit they did something wrong and killed their own show ("we gave it such an exciting and interesting new timeslot, but the audience didn't come back for it" blabla).

Pretty disapppointing, considering MacGyver had better audience numbers than Magnum, SWAT or SEAL Team. And that even "Bull" - with so much controversy surrounding it in recent months - got to keep its timeslot and Fall show status.

The move from H50 to 8pm is puzzling as well. I think Magnum would have been better suited at 8pm. H50 has grittier topics; rebooted Magnum always seemed more family-friendly to me. Though I have to admit that this move is the most logical step to save Magnum from getting axed; putting it between two highly-rated shows. It has a much better lead-in now and will do well enough on Fridays. Just unfair that MacGyver fans have to pay the price once again... sad.gif



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Well think of it this way, Dash... at least RDA & MDB loves us. lol



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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 15 May 2019 - 08:39 PM)
Well think of it this way, Dash... at least RDA & MDB loves us. lol

well, Lucas probably loves us too, but we still don't get appreciated by the network tongue.gif

Kinda ironic - they finally release that MacGyver Manual / Handbook in September and then the show isn't back in the Fall as usual...



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Magnum is already on the same audience level after one season (20 episodes) with MacGyver after 3 seasons (66 episodes)... I'm not sure how they'll expect it to go to syndication and 88 episodes... H50 as lead-in might help, but it can't perform magic blink.gif

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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 15 May 2019 - 02:07 PM)
Magnum is already on the same audience level after one season (20 episodes) with MacGyver after 3 seasons (66 episodes)... I'm not sure how they'll expect it to go to syndication and 88 episodes... H50 as lead-in might help, but it can't perform magic blink.gif

(chart via SpoilerTV)

I think moving Macgyver to mid-season is all about Magnum and not Macgyver. Yes, it may give the showrunner more time to make any changes, but I think Magnum isn't doing as well in the ratings and they are trying to better the ratings. It is odd to move a sophomore series to another day.

It's a shame Macgyver fans have to suffer. I would like to see Peter's shows do well, but if it isn't broke, don't fix it.




 
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We'll see how H50 does with actual scripted competition + WWE. I bet it does no better than Mac would do. i do not watch either H50 or Magnum and I wont be this fall. When I look at the schedule I am so baffled, especially when CBS won 29/31 Fridays. I think they shot themselves in the foot.



 
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sad.gif This makes me sad.



 
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I'm kind of disappointed ... I really hope this is not the end of the series. Let's hope that this "annoying" move will provide a good explanation for MacGyver's fans.



 
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According To Peter, they have the network's support....

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This is all about Magnum. Lenkov has said all along he always wanted to reboot it. It's his baby. MacGyver was not his idea; he was called in to save the pilot. I stopped looking at his twitter months ago because it's all Hawaii with an occasional Mac reference. Any other show with Magnum's numbers wouldn't have made it. I should point out I tried MPI and hated it, especially the Higgins character. But this makes Lenkov happy, especially after the deal he signed with CBS. Sacrifice MacGyver for his precious MPI. Because this is unusual for a show 22 episodes from syndication. Now with no scripted competition they're hoping MPI improves. MacGyver got the shaft.



 
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QUOTE (MacGirl0629 @ 16 May 2019 - 12:41 AM)
I think moving Macgyver to mid-season is all about Magnum and not Macgyver. Yes, it may give the showrunner more time to make any changes, but I think Magnum isn't doing as well in the ratings and they are trying to better the ratings. It is odd to move a sophomore series to another day.

It's a shame Macgyver fans have to suffer. I would like to see Peter's shows do well, but if it isn't broke, don't fix it.

The move was clearly done to save Magnum PI from getting axed.

I could easier accept them tying to save Magnum if they hadn't given also SEAL Team, SWAT and even Bull a full Fall Season order or if MacGyver wasn't just as famous in name as Magnum. The other shows do well in DVR, but SEAL and SWAT have pretty low audience numbers and for only being in Season 2, the demo isn't all that great, either.

Magnum being renewed was already a surprise but the full season order for both SEAL and SWAT made me scratch my head. Apparently, they don't believe in the rookie shows this fall. They could have just kept MacGyver and put it in another timeslot,t hen.

That's pretty much a slap in the face for the fans.



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I could easier accept them tying to save Magnum if they hadn't given also SEAL Team, SWAT and even Bull a full Fall Season order or if MacGyver wasn't just as famous in name as Magnum. The other shows do well in DVR, but SEAL and SWAT have pretty low audience numbers and for only being in Season 2, the demo isn't all that great, either.


All of these shows were under .8 and Mac had a million more viewers on average. This makes no sense. Very disappointed in Lenkov for not addressing the fans. Makes me feel he really doesn"t care. I've lost respect for him.



 
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QUOTE (real_ness @ 16 May 2019 - 10:15 AM)
According To Peter, they have the network's support....

As if he would admit if they didn't whistle.gif


Lenkov just did an interview with Matt Carter for the Hawaii Five-0 Season Finale tomorrow: https://cartermatt.com/364567/hawaii-five-0...eason-9-finale/


He must have known early on H50 would get another season to go forward with a big cliffhanger. Maybe he even knew that they're planning to finally put Magnum on Fridays (I think he mentioned it last year when the schedule was announced that he would love to have all 3 shows on Fridays if he'd had any say in it.)

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QUOTE (MacGyverGod @ 16 May 2019 - 02:11 AM)
Hey Lenkov, I want my 7 seasons and 139 episodes.

And two made-for-TV movies!



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QUOTE (Krug @ 17 May 2019 - 12:49 AM)
QUOTE (MacGyverGod @ 16 May 2019 - 02:11 AM)
Hey Lenkov, I want my 7 seasons and 139 episodes.

And two made-for-TV movies!

but movies that are released on German DVDs for once laugh.gif
(sadly, the movies aren't included in the German version of the DVD complete collection box. they're also not available on single DVDs...)



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well, look at that...

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And we know which show in particular. Outrageous and quite frankly, a betrayal.



 
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Also a pity that now, we probably won't get to see that big crossover they talked about at Paley Fest, hyping everyone up.

I wonder if Lenkov had a big crossover planned and now has to drop it; doing only a Hawaii shows crossover instead.

Of course, they could film it in July. Lenkov said it's mostly a scheduling issue. They have no problem now to ship the entire MacGyver cast to Hawaii since they're not in the same filming/editing hurry if the show doesn't premiere in Fall.

But there's no point for the Hawaii shows to film an eipsode that's not airing before spring - and for a midseason show, that would be too expensive. Of course, another possibility would be the MacGyver cast to guest-star on Magnum, like H50 did on MacGyver. But I can't really see that happening now with them being demoted to midseason. It's possible MacGyver got a budget cut as well...



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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 17 May 2019 - 01:27 AM)
Also a pity that now, we probably won't get to see that big crossover they talked about at Paley Fest, hyping everyone up.

I wonder if Lenkov had a big crossover planned and now has to drop it; doing only a Hawaii shows crossover instead.

Of course, they could film it in July. Lenkov said it's mostly a scheduling issue. They have no problem now to ship the entire MacGyver cast to Hawaii since they're not in the same filming/editing hurry if the show doesn't premiere in Fall.

But there's no point for the Hawaii shows to film an eipsode that's not airing before spring - and for a midseason show, that would be too expensive. Of course, another possibility would be the MacGyver cast to guest-star on Magnum, like H50 did on MacGyver. But I can't really see that happening now with them being demoted to midseason. It's possible MacGyver got a budget cut as well...

Not really if you think about it, if /when they decided to air a three way crossover, They could probably air Magnum PI, MacGyver and Hawaii 5-0 in that order when the show starts their midseason premiere and not air Blue Bloods for one week.



 
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Perhaps the delay in returning until mid-season is a political maneuver too, given that GA is about to pass some seriously controversial legislation soon (or has already)? I know some stars have stated they wouldn't film in the state because of it.



 
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QUOTE (perfectlykevin @ 17 May 2019 - 10:47 PM)
Perhaps the delay in returning until mid-season is a political maneuver too, given that GA is about to pass some seriously controversial legislation soon (or has already)? I know some stars have stated they wouldn't film in the state because of it.

I don't think CBS really cares about that. They renewed "Bull" with a lead actor accused of sexual harrassment. Instead of a family show, they aired an interview with a musician accused of rape and harrassment....

Also, they want to save money whenever they can. As long as the lead actor doesn't refuse to film in Georgia, they probably don't even think about relocating. And Lucas is from Georgia and his family still lives there, so I doubt he would refuse to film in his homestate.



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Peter Lenkov started to block people cussing him out for MacGyver being shoved to midseason. This decision didnít have to do anything with Lenkov ďhatingĒ MacGyver. This is simply business based on Demo Ratings.

Several people asked me why they chose MacGyver, so I'll try to explain without being too much of a know-it-all laugh.gif.

CBS is a business, making money by selling shows and TV ads. The better the demo ratings, the more expensive they can sell these ads and the more a show is worth. (Of course, there are other factors as well, but the most important are the demo ratings.)

So lets have a look at the CBS Demo Ratings Scorecard (provided by SpoilerTV): https://www.spoilertv.com/2018/10/the-spoil...t-tv-18-49.html


As of today, CBS had an average demo rating of 0.894 (seen on the right). All the grey shows are below the network average. For example, MacGyver.

So lets have a look at the 4 shows doing worse than MacGyver. Any not-syndicated show with a demo below 0.7 is usually cancelled because itís not making any money. So unofficially, both rookie mid-season shows ďThe CodeĒ and ďThe Red LineĒ are already cancelled after 13 episodes. Thereís no word on ďRansomĒ yet, either. But itís a mid-season show with only 39 episodes and therefore not very interesting for buyers, so it might be done as well.

The only Fall shows in the worst 5 CBS shows when sorted for Demo Ratings is "Madame Secretary" and MacGyver. If I remember correctly, Madame Secretary was in syndication, but the ratings keep dropping and no one was willing to pay for more episodes. So it will have a last, shortened season, then itís cancelled.

Take these shows away, and MacGyver is now last in Demo Ratings. It is a Fall show on a prime time slot that is followed by two shows doing reasonably well. Friday isnít the day with the big bucks in advertizing, but you also donít lose too much money if you fill a Friday slot with a show thatís not the biggest ratings hit.

Itís no surprise that CBS decided to give this specific timeslot to another show. Itís not because CBS hates MacGyver so much (although it really feels that way). It was a simple business decision and Lenkov had no say in it.

I could try to explain why they kinda gave the slot to Magnum (despite H50 airing at 8pm now), but that would take just as much writing and Iím not sure if youíre interested in my rambling laugh.gif.

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Thanks for the info. CBS did renew MWAP a midseason show that had 13 episodes so one can hope. I do think H50 will have a harder time this fall because it has competition it never had before but who knows. and I enjoy reading your ramblings smile.gif so ramble away.



 
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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 17 May 2019 - 05:50 PM)
Peter Lenkov started to block people cussing him out for MacGyver being shoved to midseason. This decision didnít have to do anything with Lenkov ďhatingĒ MacGyver. This is simply business based on Demo Ratings.

Several people asked me why they chose MacGyver, so I'll try to explain without being too much of a know-it-all laugh.gif.

CBS is a business, making money by selling shows and TV ads. The better the demo ratings, the more expensive they can sell these ads and the more a show is worth. (Of course, there are other factors as well, but the most important are the demo ratings.)

So lets have a look at the CBS Demo Ratings Scorecard (provided by SpoilerTV): https://www.spoilertv.com/2018/10/the-spoil...t-tv-18-49.html


As of today, CBS had an average demo rating of 0.894 (seen on the right). All the grey shows are below the network average. For example, MacGyver.

So lets have a look at the 4 shows doing worse than MacGyver. Any not-syndicated show with a demo below 0.7 is usually cancelled because itís not making any money. So unofficially, both rookie mid-season shows ďThe CodeĒ and ďThe Red LineĒ are already cancelled after 13 episodes. Thereís no word on ďRansomĒ yet, either. But itís a mid-season show with only 39 episodes and therefore not very interesting for buyers, so it might be done as well.

The only Fall shows in the worst 5 CBS shows when sorted for Demo Ratings is "Madame Secretary" and MacGyver. If I remember correctly, Madame Secretary was in syndication, but the ratings keep dropping and no one was willing to pay for more episodes. So it will have a last, shortened season, then itís cancelled.

Take these shows away, and MacGyver is now last in Demo Ratings. It is a Fall show on a prime time slot that is followed by two shows doing reasonably well. Friday isnít the day with the big bucks in advertizing, but you also donít lose too much money if you fill a Friday slot with a show thatís not the biggest ratings hit.

Itís no surprise that CBS decided to give this specific timeslot to another show. Itís not because CBS hates MacGyver so much (although it really feels that way). It was a simple business decision and Lenkov had no say in it.

I could try to explain why they kinda gave the slot to Magnum (despite H50 airing at 8pm now), but that would take just as much writing and Iím not sure if youíre interested in my rambling laugh.gif.

I like your ramblings! You're basically where I get all of my info about the reboot laugh.gif



 
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