Early on in the series, he seemed to be a lot more "active." Remember his conjugal visit with that woman in The Escape? You'd never see that later on in the series. In Season 1, it seemed to imply that he hooked up with a lot of the leading ladies.

Escape? you mean The Gauntlet? Kate the journalist?

Maybe SAM is really Murdoc in disguise, getting Mac to go on a road trip with him so he can get him out into the middle of nowhere and kill him. He did have a camera after all.

Nice theory.

I always though that Mac really loved Kate .In the seen were he and Sam are talking Mac has a hard time saying the words that he loved her but Sam spoke up and said that Kate loved him too.

I also though that Mac never really sleeped around but dated a lot. He did have a lot of girl frineds in college. I also was thinking that it was only a matter of time before a kid would show up. Things happen in life. But you never know.

Season 7 was very bad in ways. You can really tell everyone was getting tired and the magic of the show seemed to be gone. There were mistakes. Also the writers really did not know what to come up with for a good epo in season 7.

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A daughter would have been an interesting challenge for Mac don't you think?

Yep lol I have always loved the idea that Mac would have a daughter too.

I have wondered that why she didn't ever told Mac that he had a son? Does anyone know?

And I love Sam, and the actor was great choice, he looked just like he could be Mac's (or RDA) son lol

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Probably because Mac moved around a lot, he was impossible to track down.

Personally I think Mac moved around a lot to avoid the child support.

Who do you mean by she?

Remember Sam's mother was killed in China when he was young.

Who do you mean by she?

Remember Sam's mother was killed in China when he was young.

Well of course I remember that, I just wondered why Sam's mom never told to Mac that he had a son before she died.

I have wondered that whether she would have been able to find Mac through Phoenix Foundation? Or else she thought that because Mac always traveled a lot around the world....hmmm....but still Mac had right to know. I think it's really sad that she never told that to Mac, maybe they would have ended up together and she wouldn't have died in China who knows. I think Mac would have been shocked at first but he certainly would have had take care of them.

Sam explains why when he's telling the story to MacGyver.

I forget the exact wording but it was something to do with she thought MacGyver wasn't mature enough or ready to be a father.

I think there's some discussion about it way back in the early pages of this topic. I think most comments were disagreeing with her decision.

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She really should have had to tell Mac. I believe that Mac would have been great dad.

I think if MacGyver found out he had a son, and would of had to drag him to place to place, or leave him with Pete or Niki would of made MacGyver's female fans not so happy with the show, the writers wrote Sam, in,in the last episode to tell his fans MacGyver finally grew up enough to take care of his son.

In the movies we never once saw Sam with MacGyver, so the question is what happened to Sam did he marry, die thats the hot question on my mind.

How can they introduce Sam in the last episode as if to say Mac finally grew up enough to care for him when Mac was already the most grown up person on the show?
Its a bit insulting to have the mother of your child say that she didn't think you were mature enough to man up and be a father. I can't remember exactly what Sam said about this either, so I am just going by what KiwiTek posted.

You said it!

I just saw the scene on youtube its between the 19 and 21 minutes. Mac's looking at the pictures and talking with Sam about graduation day and the last time they were together. Than he mentions Kate went to cover a story in Brazil. Presumably she was already pregnant or found out about it during the covering of the story. In the meantime Mac moved around a lot. Don't forget this was during the early 70's considering Sam is like 19 or 20 when he meets Mac. So I wouldn't be so surprised Mac didn't know. I don't think it was so easy to keep track of everyone without cellphones or internet.

She got pregnant and she didn't told him. Maybe that was her choice. Or maybe she loved him so much and loved his ideas of the future, like travelling and having adventures that she couldn't refuse him of not having that. I think that's also what she meant by introducing them to each other when they're both grown up. You have to go out, see the world, learn some new things before you start with children.

I don't think somebody like Kate would accuse Mac of making her pregnant and than just leave like that. She just wanted Mac to have his life the way he wanted it. If Mac knew about it, he would've taken up his responsibility as a father even though he was very young at the time. She didn't tell him, he didn't know, she wen to Brazil, he moved around a lot, they've lost track of each other over the years. So Kate had no choice but to take Sam everywhere where she had to go for her job as a journalist. They end up in China where she gets killed. Sam was being taken care of by friends of her until he was old enough to take care of himself.

A good question by Mac: 'Why didn't you try to find me?' and Sam answers 'I only had the picture of this locket.' He had no name and I think unless you went to the right peoples that tracks peoples down, it's no surprise it lasted so long. Sam could've used the press in order to find Mac, why didn't he than? Another plothole unless money was a problem.

Mac's and Sam's meeting was coincidence.

How?

I think the real plot hole is that Kate would have told someone who the father was, most probably one of her friends. And after her death someone in the circle of friends who looked after Sam would have known who his father was, they could have spread the word. They must have had mutual friends between them who would know someone who knew someone who knew someone who knew where Mac was. Or at least had a good idea of where to start looking for him. So from that point of view it's not a very well thought out plot.

Like sending a message through the news or something.

She said that she'd introduce them when they'd both grown up.

It was a bit of a surprise to find out Mac had a son. Why not base the MacGyver feature film on this aspect. With Pete gone (death of Dana Elcar) RDA would act in the Mentor/ Phoenix boss role with his son carrying on into the next generation. Mac must have had mixed feelings finding out years later he had a son, who was now a young man. I wished they could have explored the father son relationship further.

Dalton James who played Sam told me that they had wanted to do a spin-off, but it never happened. Anybody else hear about this? I would've liked to have seen a spin off, personally.

I know it's been speculated, but I don't think it was ever confirmed. I know some fans figured that was the reason for Sam's introduction, especially seeing as RDA was getting older, and obviously tired of the role (just from what I can gather from interviews).

It's kinda a shame because I liked Sam as a character and would have loved to see more interactions between him and Mac. One can only imagine what kind of trouble those two got into. XD

Ditto! I liked Sam too. And speaking of what sort of trouble they could get into together, have you read Lauren MacFan's "Home for Christmas" on fanfiction.net? It's really great! I made it to chapter 11, but life got in the way and I've yet to finish.

Well there was the Young MacGyver spin-off that didn't get picked up. Maybe that grew from the original idea of a spin-off with his son, but somehow got turned into a nephew?

Then again, maybe when Dalton says "they wanted to do a spin off" he really means someone threw the idea out there at some point just as a general suggestion and a couple of people responded "Yeah that might not be a bad idea."

Over all I quite liked Sam. He certainly had a similar thought process to MacGyver. I can't say I really liked the "long lost son" idea at all. It really didn't fit with the show and felt, to me, like it had been dreamed up by someone who knew nothing about the show. I think Sam might have been better to be a long lost half brother to a girlfriend his father had before meeting his mother. They could have split up with him moving to another state or something and then she found out she was pregnant and had no way of finding their father....

Or they could have gone with his father had an affair with someone who turned out to be a bit of a nut job and him being killed in a car crash maybe wasn't an accident at all!

I like your thoughts. These ideas would be great for a fanfic!

He is my second favorite character!!!

I think it's as obvious as can be that Mac did sleep with Kate C. Otherwise, he wouldn't have had that reaction to her pregnancy.

Maybe he's bad at counting to 9 or maybe she looked further into her pregnancy than she really was.

In a way, there's something to be said for the fact that the writers decided they should have sex. Do you remember the line from When Harry Met Sally about whether men and women could actually be platonic friends? And all the times we thought, yeah, Mac really can just be platonic friends with Penny and lots of other female characters? That's nice? Or is it just me who thought that was nice?

In my opinion, it would be a bit of a let-down if it turned out that they were only platonic friends because Mac had no sexual interest in women (eg was gay or asexual or could only fall in love with inanimate objects or whatever). I think it makes things better if we realise he is sexually interested in some women, but is also interested in many women merely as friends. I liked the film When Harry Met Sally but I think it's a little sad that some people seriously don't think straight men and women can be friends with no sexual attraction.

I realise that there is a flaw in my argument in that there are episodes where there is kissing going on - is kissing not proof of interest in women? I would argue that sometimes kissing is more about curiosity and/or pleasing the other person than attraction. Whereas actual sex makes the point clearer.

As for the question of why Kate M didn't tell Mac she was pregnant, I can only assume that she was completely out of her mind. It would tie him down? Yeah, but it's okay for her to tie herself down? Except she didn't, apparently, get very tied down.

Maybe she thought that if she told him, they would end up married and in dead end jobs and never leaving their home town. It's sad that she may have thought that.

Me, over-thinking things?

I don't know about tired of the role, but definitely tired. From what I read about US TV series, anyone would be tired after 7 years, even if they had less screen time and fewer stunts than RDA.

If this had been a British series, with maybe 6 episodes per year or every couple of years, it would probably have gone on for 20 years ...