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|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 15 May 2019 - 07:46 AM|
| CBS have announced today that Hawaii Five-0 will take over MacGyver’s Friday nights time-slot as they move MacGyver to a mid-season show meaning it wont be back until at least January 2020.
|Posted by: BabyEinstein 15 May 2019 - 08:10 AM|
|Such disappointing news. MacGyver did well on Fridays particularly with little to no promo from CBS or Lenkov. Why are they pushing Magnum? Without coming after the AFC championship its ratings were not that good. and I am sick of all NCIS shows. Somehow Bull is on the schedule even after some controversy. If CBS thinks they have a winning schedule they are deluded. I wont watch CBS til Mac returns. But I'm not a Nielson family so I know I dont matter.|
|Posted by: Shy175223 15 May 2019 - 08:29 AM|
|I hear ya. I was looking forward to seeing during the fall but it looks like we all have to wait until the mid-season to see how the season premiere even though there would be fewer episodes than before. I would watch Magnum PI when it came on Mondays and Macgyver, Hawaii five 0, and Blue Bloods on Fridays. But now I have to wait until mid-season to see Macgyver and if they were thinking about doing a three-way cross-over they have to do it during the mid-season.|
|Posted by: Jediferret 15 May 2019 - 09:15 AM|
|That's a bit... odd. MacGyver, even the original, always aired in the fall. O_o I would think they would continue that tradition. CBS is weird....|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 15 May 2019 - 09:40 AM|
| I worried that with the dropping ratings, they would switch MacGyver with Magnum (they clearly have an interest in saving Magnum; the renewal of the show was a surprise with those ratings). But I never thought that the prediction by "Season Zero" would actually turn out to be true
One could argue that CBS has a new management and is trying to test out new things. And that at least the show didn't get cancelled or shoved to 22pm or to Saturdays in the middle of the season to die a quiet death (like they did with Justin Hires' "Rush Hour").
But for years, a Fall show being shoved to mid-season usually meant that a show is done and won't come back for another season... since the network doesn't deem it to be "worthy" anymore to occupy a prime time timeslot. Starting mid-season, the ratings will inevitably drop further than usual, and CBS knows it - either, they don't care (since they already have a syndication deal fixed), or they don't care because this gives them a valid reason to cancel it without having to admit they did something wrong and killed their own show ("we gave it such an exciting and interesting new timeslot, but the audience didn't come back for it" blabla).
Pretty disapppointing, considering MacGyver had better audience numbers than Magnum, SWAT or SEAL Team. And that even "Bull" - with so much controversy surrounding it in recent months - got to keep its timeslot and Fall show status.
The move from H50 to 8pm is puzzling as well. I think Magnum would have been better suited at 8pm. H50 has grittier topics; rebooted Magnum always seemed more family-friendly to me. Though I have to admit that this move is the most logical step to save Magnum from getting axed; putting it between two highly-rated shows. It has a much better lead-in now and will do well enough on Fridays. Just unfair that MacGyver fans have to pay the price once again...
|Posted by: Jediferret 15 May 2019 - 10:39 AM|
|Well think of it this way, Dash... at least RDA & MDB loves us. lol|
|Posted by: Dragondog 15 May 2019 - 12:17 PM|
|I'm pretty convinced this'll be the last season|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 15 May 2019 - 01:41 PM|
well, Lucas probably loves us too, but we still don't get appreciated by the network
Kinda ironic - they finally release that MacGyver Manual / Handbook in September and then the show isn't back in the Fall as usual...
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 15 May 2019 - 02:07 PM|
| Magnum is already on the same audience level after one season (20 episodes) with MacGyver after 3 seasons (66 episodes)... I'm not sure how they'll expect it to go to syndication and 88 episodes... H50 as lead-in might help, but it can't perform magic
(chart via SpoilerTV)
|Posted by: MacGirl0629 15 May 2019 - 02:41 PM|
I think moving Macgyver to mid-season is all about Magnum and not Macgyver. Yes, it may give the showrunner more time to make any changes, but I think Magnum isn't doing as well in the ratings and they are trying to better the ratings. It is odd to move a sophomore series to another day.
It's a shame Macgyver fans have to suffer. I would like to see Peter's shows do well, but if it isn't broke, don't fix it.
|Posted by: BabyEinstein 15 May 2019 - 03:32 PM|
|We'll see how H50 does with actual scripted competition + WWE. I bet it does no better than Mac would do. i do not watch either H50 or Magnum and I wont be this fall. When I look at the schedule I am so baffled, especially when CBS won 29/31 Fridays. I think they shot themselves in the foot.|
|Posted by: MacGyver85 15 May 2019 - 09:03 PM|
|This makes me sad.|
|Posted by: Mac_123 15 May 2019 - 09:32 PM|
|I'm kind of disappointed ... I really hope this is not the end of the series. Let's hope that this "annoying" move will provide a good explanation for MacGyver's fans.|
|Posted by: real_ness 16 May 2019 - 12:15 AM|
|According To Peter, they have the network's support....|
|Posted by: MacGyverGod 16 May 2019 - 02:11 AM|
|Hey Lenkov, I want my 7 seasons and 139 episodes.|
|Posted by: BabyEinstein 16 May 2019 - 05:49 AM|
|This is all about Magnum. Lenkov has said all along he always wanted to reboot it. It's his baby. MacGyver was not his idea; he was called in to save the pilot. I stopped looking at his twitter months ago because it's all Hawaii with an occasional Mac reference. Any other show with Magnum's numbers wouldn't have made it. I should point out I tried MPI and hated it, especially the Higgins character. But this makes Lenkov happy, especially after the deal he signed with CBS. Sacrifice MacGyver for his precious MPI. Because this is unusual for a show 22 episodes from syndication. Now with no scripted competition they're hoping MPI improves. MacGyver got the shaft.|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 16 May 2019 - 02:12 PM|
The move was clearly done to save Magnum PI from getting axed.
I could easier accept them tying to save Magnum if they hadn't given also SEAL Team, SWAT and even Bull a full Fall Season order or if MacGyver wasn't just as famous in name as Magnum. The other shows do well in DVR, but SEAL and SWAT have pretty low audience numbers and for only being in Season 2, the demo isn't all that great, either.
Magnum being renewed was already a surprise but the full season order for both SEAL and SWAT made me scratch my head. Apparently, they don't believe in the rookie shows this fall. They could have just kept MacGyver and put it in another timeslot,t hen.
That's pretty much a slap in the face for the fans.
|Posted by: BabyEinstein 16 May 2019 - 02:30 PM|
All of these shows were under .8 and Mac had a million more viewers on average. This makes no sense. Very disappointed in Lenkov for not addressing the fans. Makes me feel he really doesn"t care. I've lost respect for him.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 16 May 2019 - 02:30 PM|
As if he would admit if they didn't
Lenkov just did an interview with Matt Carter for the Hawaii Five-0 Season Finale tomorrow: https://cartermatt.com/364567/hawaii-five-0-interview-peter-lenkov-season-9-finale/
He must have known early on H50 would get another season to go forward with a big cliffhanger. Maybe he even knew that they're planning to finally put Magnum on Fridays (I think he mentioned it last year when the schedule was announced that he would love to have all 3 shows on Fridays if he'd had any say in it.)
|Posted by: Krug 16 May 2019 - 02:49 PM|
And two made-for-TV movies!
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 16 May 2019 - 03:01 PM|
but movies that are released on German DVDs for once
(sadly, the movies aren't included in the German version of the DVD complete collection box. they're also not available on single DVDs...)
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 16 May 2019 - 03:20 PM|
| well, look at that...
|Posted by: BabyEinstein 16 May 2019 - 03:32 PM|
|And we know which show in particular. Outrageous and quite frankly, a betrayal.|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 17 May 2019 - 01:27 AM|
| Also a pity that now, we probably won't get to see that big crossover they talked about at Paley Fest, hyping everyone up.
I wonder if Lenkov had a big crossover planned and now has to drop it; doing only a Hawaii shows crossover instead.
Of course, they could film it in July. Lenkov said it's mostly a scheduling issue. They have no problem now to ship the entire MacGyver cast to Hawaii since they're not in the same filming/editing hurry if the show doesn't premiere in Fall.
But there's no point for the Hawaii shows to film an eipsode that's not airing before spring - and for a midseason show, that would be too expensive. Of course, another possibility would be the MacGyver cast to guest-star on Magnum, like H50 did on MacGyver. But I can't really see that happening now with them being demoted to midseason. It's possible MacGyver got a budget cut as well...
|Posted by: Shy175223 17 May 2019 - 10:24 AM|
Not really if you think about it, if /when they decided to air a three way crossover, They could probably air Magnum PI, MacGyver and Hawaii 5-0 in that order when the show starts their midseason premiere and not air Blue Bloods for one week.
|Posted by: perfectlykevin 17 May 2019 - 12:47 PM|
|Perhaps the delay in returning until mid-season is a political maneuver too, given that GA is about to pass some seriously controversial legislation soon (or has already)? I know some stars have stated they wouldn't film in the state because of it.|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 17 May 2019 - 01:45 PM|
I don't think CBS really cares about that. They renewed "Bull" with a lead actor accused of sexual harrassment. Instead of a family show, they aired an interview with a musician accused of rape and harrassment....
Also, they want to save money whenever they can. As long as the lead actor doesn't refuse to film in Georgia, they probably don't even think about relocating. And Lucas is from Georgia and his family still lives there, so I doubt he would refuse to film in his homestate.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 17 May 2019 - 01:50 PM|
| Peter Lenkov started to block people cussing him out for MacGyver being shoved to midseason. This decision didn’t have to do anything with Lenkov “hating” MacGyver. This is simply business based on Demo Ratings.
Several people asked me why they chose MacGyver, so I'll try to explain without being too much of a know-it-all .
CBS is a business, making money by selling shows and TV ads. The better the demo ratings, the more expensive they can sell these ads and the more a show is worth. (Of course, there are other factors as well, but the most important are the demo ratings.)
So lets have a look at the CBS Demo Ratings Scorecard (provided by SpoilerTV): https://www.spoilertv.com/2018/10/the-spoilertv-broadcast-tv-18-49.html
As of today, CBS had an average demo rating of 0.894 (seen on the right). All the grey shows are below the network average. For example, MacGyver.
So lets have a look at the 4 shows doing worse than MacGyver. Any not-syndicated show with a demo below 0.7 is usually cancelled because it’s not making any money. So unofficially, both rookie mid-season shows “The Code” and “The Red Line” are already cancelled after 13 episodes. There’s no word on “Ransom” yet, either. But it’s a mid-season show with only 39 episodes and therefore not very interesting for buyers, so it might be done as well.
The only Fall shows in the worst 5 CBS shows when sorted for Demo Ratings is "Madame Secretary" and MacGyver. If I remember correctly, Madame Secretary was in syndication, but the ratings keep dropping and no one was willing to pay for more episodes. So it will have a last, shortened season, then it’s cancelled.
Take these shows away, and MacGyver is now last in Demo Ratings. It is a Fall show on a prime time slot that is followed by two shows doing reasonably well. Friday isn’t the day with the big bucks in advertizing, but you also don’t lose too much money if you fill a Friday slot with a show that’s not the biggest ratings hit.
It’s no surprise that CBS decided to give this specific timeslot to another show. It’s not because CBS hates MacGyver so much (although it really feels that way). It was a simple business decision and Lenkov had no say in it.
I could try to explain why they kinda gave the slot to Magnum (despite H50 airing at 8pm now), but that would take just as much writing and I’m not sure if you’re interested in my rambling .
|Posted by: BabyEinstein 17 May 2019 - 02:27 PM|
|Thanks for the info. CBS did renew MWAP a midseason show that had 13 episodes so one can hope. I do think H50 will have a harder time this fall because it has competition it never had before but who knows. and I enjoy reading your ramblings so ramble away.|
|Posted by: MacGyver85 17 May 2019 - 09:02 PM|
I like your ramblings! You're basically where I get all of my info about the reboot
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 17 May 2019 - 11:27 PM|
By all means, ramble away.
|Posted by: real_ness 17 May 2019 - 11:47 PM|
Tristin addressed that idea
|Posted by: MacGyverGod 18 May 2019 - 02:17 AM|
| Oh, please do, Dash. You're pretty much the only who can explain.
Just one thing though. Maybe what I have to say is doesn't add up to this equation but how was actually the fourth season of the original show received? Of course there was no social media at the time and it all was the way they said it would be and that was that.
Just curious because the fourth season of the original also began much later on Halloween with The Secret of Parker House while they could've aired at least 3 to 4 maybe even 5 episodes before that. It was also the shortest season at that time with 19 episodes. Was there a specific reason for that and how did the fans react?
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2019 - 05:27 AM|
| I don't have much time and I've posted this chart already a while ago (don't rememember where, though ).
But this is why Friday is considered the “Death Slot”: Networks get a lot less money for a 30-second TV-commercial than on other days.
Check the chart (via AdAge) to see how much CBS got for their commercial minutes for each show in this Fall Season. And see for yourself which shows are worth the most and which aren’t...
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 18 May 2019 - 05:42 AM|
Season 4's Nielsen ratings gave it mostly second place for it's time-slot with an occasional 3rd place.
It's actual ratings ranged from 11.5 - 14.0 with a demo % of 18 - 24
Nielsen ratings was the main system used back then.
|Posted by: real_ness 19 May 2019 - 01:16 AM|
Any idea why the drop for Mac this season vs. last?
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 19 May 2019 - 08:10 AM|
I'm no expert in this and never really checked the Topic, but I'm assuming the Prices are a mixture of the average Network daily rates (e.g. Tuesdays to Thursdays on CBS are apparently more expensive than Fridays or Saturdays) and the individual average show demo ratings.
Friday used to be considered the "death slot", that's probably why advertizing is cheaper on Fridays. Yet, because of the better Ratings, both H50 and "Blue Bloods" have higher rates in general.
MacGyver lost in Viewers and demo Ratings over time and also between Seasons 1 and 2. The Chart came out in October, so I guess they looked at the drop during Season 1, and maybe waited until a few episodes of Season 2 aired, then predicted how the Show will do during the season and what commercial minutes should be worth charging.
If you check the chart, almost every show lost in worth since the last Season because of the dropping Ratings over time. "Bull" is a good example. It was the CBS Darling of all the rookie shows and got a lot of promo; they really pushed for it to be successful. And it did well in Ratings. This Season, they shoved the Show from 9 to 10pm in favor of "Magnum PI". They lost about 40% in Ratings (both in Demo AND in audience numbers). The people buying commercial minutes for this show certainly didn't get their money's worth. It still does great in DVR but that's probably not very interesting for CBS since people will skip most of the commercials when not watching live. So it's safe to assume that advertizing during "Bull" will be a lot cheaper for this Season.
If you think about it, Magnum kinda "killed" both Bull and MacGyver
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 23 May 2019 - 02:33 PM|
| Audience Number comparison between MacGyver and SEAL Team (via SpoilerTV).
I'm not sure why they got a full Fall Season renewal... don't think the cost for SEAL Team is worth it with those ratings; especially considered they already exchanged the showrunner for S2 and had to do some retooling... they do very well in DVR numbers, though. Yet that's not where you make the big bucks...
|Posted by: real_ness 23 May 2019 - 11:17 PM|
Maybe because that's the show that states they hire veterans
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 26 May 2019 - 07:03 AM|
Maybe. But after all, CBS is a business, and not a "social service". I'm not sure if they think that far ahead to be nice to veterans or to use this as a way to get a better image.
If MacGyver gets a syndication deal, the show could go on for a while – even if airing midseason. But it still angers me a bit that they use it as a „filler“ show for mideason while other shows get the full treatment and good promo, despite average ratings. Hiring veterans or not, and despite having better demo and DVR ratings than MacGyver, both SEAL Team and SWAT (and even Magnum PI) only have average ratings.
|Posted by: BabyEinstein 26 May 2019 - 07:45 AM|
Absolutely right. MacGyver got little to NO promo from CBS or from Lenkov for that matter I don't care what he says to protest fans' reactions. Magnum ratings are inflated because of the football championship game and for a heavily promoted first year show did not have good ratings imo. But Lenkov signed a deal with CBS so who really knows the terms. I believe MacGyver was sacrificed for Magnum and it infuriates me. I won't watch it or H50 but I'm not a Nielson family so basically I don't matter. At least I can vent here
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 29 May 2019 - 10:06 AM|
| well, look at that. they will run Magnum reruns on Fridays, 9pm. so they can air H50 reruns at 8pm. they're already testing the new schedule, starting August 9.
meanwhile, NO MacGyver reruns scheduled because the 8pm slot is currently occupied by "Whistleblower".
gosh, I hate CBS... I keep thinking it can't get worse and it does
|Posted by: BabyEinstein 29 May 2019 - 03:49 PM|
|Not surprised. No repeats last year when MacGyver was on the fall schedule. It never got/gets respect or support..|
|Posted by: Jediferret 29 May 2019 - 04:55 PM|
| Does anyone know why CBS isn't showing MacGyver any respect?
I mean, I don't think the original was very well respected by CBS either.
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 30 May 2019 - 12:24 AM|
You're right the original was treated in much the same way.
It got moved around int eh schedule a few times.
|Posted by: real_ness 30 May 2019 - 12:51 AM|
| Is this the reason why the OG folded the first time? Low ratings and/or lack of support...?
I saw the last episode and I always felt more could have been done with the show....
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 30 May 2019 - 01:14 AM|
| for people speculating when Season 4 could air... that's really hard to predict at the moment.
it will probably end up in a time slot of a rookie show that didn't make it beyond 13 episodes or in the timeslot of a show with a short episode order... so could be Mondays 9pm, Thursdays 10pm or even Sundays 10pm... which doesn't look good.
I doubt it will end up on Fridays, though. If they want to save Magnum, they will probably air reruns after its season finale... and during Summer, the 8pm timeslot will be occupied by other shows like "Whistleblower", "Uncercover Celebrity Boss" and the like.
I'm already curious if H50 will get reruns at 9pm instead of if they just drop them as well...
CBS table via http://data.worldscreen.com/season_grid/index.html
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 15 July 2019 - 10:33 AM|
| According to H50 fan Belle, both H50 and Magnum Stand-Ins / Doubles have been filming scenes together today in Hawaii: https://twitter.com/hawaii_isla808/status/1150612579636543489
So it looks like they are already filming a crossover between both shows. Two weeks ago, H50 was filming scenes in LA; particularly scenes of a "Day of the Dead" set (with LA probably standing in for Mexico).
It's possible they do a big 2-parter crossover episode for the Season premiere this Fall. Looks like CBS and NBC REALLY really want Magnum PI to succeed in the new timeslot... I'm curious if they had nabbed the opportunity to finally do that crossover now that the shows air back-to-back or if they had planned it all along; making the decision easier to "sacrifice" MacGyver to make room for Magnum on Fridays...
|Posted by: real_ness 16 July 2019 - 01:10 AM|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 16 July 2019 - 10:05 AM|
If you look at the CBS table posted two posts back (on May 30), you can see that both H50 and MacGyver are produced "inhouse" by CBS, but distributed by CBSSI (CBS Studios International).
Magnum PI on the other hand is distributed by NBCU (NBC Universal International Distribution). So NBC is the co-production and distribution network for this shows and has (presumably a rather large sum of) money in the pot.
That's why they have a say in the show. I'm assuming they also kind of paid a lot of money into it because if they hadn't, CBS would probably have already dropped it with those ratings... That's probably also why they got a commercial spot at the superbowl.
While CBS does also push their own in-house-produced shows, they don't usually go that large. At least not for potential Friday shows. And not for shows with that kind of rating. Also, they usually favor only one of the in-house shows every year that gets some extra push because they want that show to succeed and to stay on screen for several seasons. In 2016, it was "Bull". In 2017, it was "SEAL Team", in 2018 "FBI". The extra push for Magnum must have been supported by NBC.
But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong, of course, since I'm not really an expert but trying to be one
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 27 August 2019 - 12:09 PM|
| According to Wolf Entertainment, they already know that "FBI: Most Wanted" will have a Winter Premiere date: https://www.instagram.com/p/B1eibpWHA4D/
So I guess they might get the timeslot on Sunday 10pm after Madame Secretary ended the series with the last 10 episodes. So if none of the two rookie crime show fails, there's no open timeslot for MacGyver to take over in January
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 28 August 2019 - 01:07 AM|
| This is not sounding good.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 28 August 2019 - 03:17 AM|
Well, schedules can always change, of course. But at the moment, there's only one guaranteed free slot in January (Sundays 10pm), and we don't really want that one anyway .
I could see it on Mondays 9pm - IF rookie show "All Rise" is done and canned after 13 episodes. Otherwise, I'm not sure where they can put it if they really want to air it in January.
But I just realized "Survivor" on Wednesdays 8pm isn't a full season, either. They have about 15 or 16 episodes per season, so that would give us another potential timeslot; maybe starting February. That would be the only 8pm timeslot for midseason, actually - but in recent years, it was occupied by "The Amazing Race".
Of all the midseason crime shows, MacGyver is the only one that should really have an 8pm slot. Both "Criminal Minds", "Tommy" or the FBI Spinoff could do well on a later slot as well, so I hope they reserve any free 8pm slot for the Reboot and not for one of the rookie shows.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 28 August 2019 - 08:42 AM|
|I think some intern went a bit overboard. Episode 2x01 for Magnum has 23!!! Official Stills. Why don't they just do it as a photo story?|
|Posted by: MacsJeep 28 August 2019 - 09:21 AM|
|I am curious, why would Terry Matalas take over on Mac if he thought it was for only half a season? He has spoken about it a lot, and gets very defensive/protective of it on certain FB pages so I don't think he believes he's moving to a dead show. Chin up, folks.|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 28 August 2019 - 09:32 AM|
For comparison: H50 got 7. Guess we know where their priorities are
I'm really curious how the ratings will do. Only a month and we'll see.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 28 August 2019 - 09:34 AM|
Oh, can you add the link to those conversations or embedd them there? I'm really curious, everyone seems mum about it.
Stunt Coordinator Daniel Hargrave recently did a podcast and hinted that the show might get some additional episodes ordered. But otherwise, it sounded like he is already heading to another project...
I can see them ordering 2 or 3 more episodes, but only if they get a January starting date...
|Posted by: MacsJeep 28 August 2019 - 09:51 AM|
|It was a few weeks ago on a Twelve Monkeys FB page - but its a members only page so if I link it won't show.|
|Posted by: Dragondog 28 August 2019 - 07:13 PM|
|Personally, if MacGyver were suddenly canceled or whatever, the worst part would be all the time and effort everyone put into making these episodes that no one could see|
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 29 August 2019 - 03:02 AM|
Television networks are very good at telling people what they need to hear in order for the network to get what they want from said people.
Another good question is why would Henry Ian Cusick join a show that has just been dropped to midseason?
I have a theory that both Matala and Cusick were signed on before the mid-season announcement was made making them think it was a full season winter show.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 29 August 2019 - 11:58 AM|
Oh, I doubt the episodes would just disappear. They would use it as a filler show, shove it onto CBS All Access or drop it to Saturday. They did the same with Justin's "Rush Hour" - when the ratings kept dropping, they pulled it from the regular schedule to make room for another show. A few months later in Spring, they dropped it onto Saturday evening; basically burning off the episodes.
Also, because the Reboot isn't in its first season, they would still release it on DVD. CBS would still try to squeeze some money out of it after paying for the production. And if they got a syndication deal, they wouldn't care about the ratings anyway. Look at the ratings for the CW shows. CBS has people paying for the shows, so they don't care that shows like e.g. Dynasty has a demo rating of barely 0.2.