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| Posted by: DXS 12 August 2016 - 07:57 AM |
| I was trying to see if someone had started this discussion elsewhere, didn't find it. I'm kind of glad he decided not to participate. I don't understand his rationale, though..... It's kind of "wordy" like he isn't sure how to say it..... I think it would be just kind of..... weird....... I notice that they are reproducing the "Explosion" but kind of making it a little different..... And the airplane thing..... that was done in one of the RDA episodes, forgot which one, but I remember RDA hanging from an airplane..... |
| Posted by: Jediferret 12 August 2016 - 08:33 AM |
| Nobody has started a thread yet, but it was mentioned in the "Production Begins" thread. A lot of us feel RDA's statement was a little weird, but we respect his decision. It's possible he knows something we don't, or may just feel they want him involved only to bring in the fans that refuse to give the reboot a chance. It seems he may just be looking out for his fans that have been so loyal to him over the years... but it could also be that he may just not want to do it. He is retired after all. In any case, I do think convincing fans, or tricking fans, into watching something they don't want to watch goes against the very spirit of MacGyver. The show should be able to hold it's own without RDA, and this is it's chance to do so. |
| Posted by: Miasma 12 August 2016 - 09:57 AM |
| His explanation struck me as very odd at the time. I certainly don't think he NEEDS to be part of the show, and honestly, if he had just said, "Thanks, but I'm enjoying retirement too much," I wouldn't have any issue with it whatsoever. They way he did it, though, felt slightly unprofessional to me, since he was basically bad-mouthing a show that, as far as I know, he couldn't have seen yet. (I wonder how he would have felt if Kurt Russell had publicly bad-mouthed Stargate SG-1 before the first episode even finished filming....) Still, I suspect his decision may have come from seeing how some diehard Mac fans were acting about the reboot. I look around social media, and I see many fans acting as if this reboot is practically blasphemous, so perhaps that's what RDA was responding to (in other words, he wasn't really opposed to the show itself, exactly, but since he saw that his fans weren't in favor of it, he decided to steer clear.) Frankly, I think his appearance on the show might have been a bit distracting, and could have overshadowed Lucas (especially early in the series when Lucas is still trying to convince people that HE'S MacGyver now), so maybe it's all for the best. |
| Posted by: DXS 12 August 2016 - 03:34 PM | ||
That's kind of what I was thinking...... Let Lucas Till be MacGyver now....... Although I hate reboots as it shows no sense of creativity, I am still excited about this one. I hope they keep the spirit of the original show. My only concern is RDA was in his 30's when he did the show. Lucas Till looks 20 something...... I'm not sure he'll be taken seriously......... And, George Eads is a bit.... um.... "old" to be MacGyver's friend unless the relationship is going to be different...... But I think George Eads can make the part work....... Love the shaved head idea. Puts a new spin on Jack Dalton. But I still expect "Jack Dalton" and the schemes..... |
| Posted by: KiwiTek 12 August 2016 - 07:31 PM | ||||
This MacGyver is meant to be younger. He's in his 20's in this series.
You're going to be sadly disappointed I think. This Jack is ex CIA gun toting conspiracy theorist. It's Jack Dalton in name only.  |
| Posted by: Jediferret 13 August 2016 - 07:34 AM |
| Lucas Till is 25 actually. If you really want to see a contrast in personality, watch Partners. MacGyver was only supposed to be about 28/29 years old when he met Pete Thornton and started his career. His personality during that time frame is VERY different, as he wasn't cocky at all. In fact, he was the polar opposite. But, I'm hoping that's just because we haven't seen the whole pilot yet. |
| Posted by: Joe SAKic 13 August 2016 - 05:39 PM |
When's the last time he acted? I mean, he's a hockey play, right? Nothing worse in hockey than having an over-aged journeyman reenter the league when he's clearly over-the-hill ... 'cause that's all anyone will ever remember. It happens. This isn't a theatrical curtain call, so no need for an RDA peep show - go out @ the top of your game, with your hair on fire, and never look back!!!!  |
| Posted by: Miasma 13 August 2016 - 06:18 PM | ||
I remember he did a brief guest spot on some prime time crime show a couple of years ago, but I can't remember what show it was. I'm sure somebody here remembers. I just remember the main character in the show was female... at least, I think I remember that. Anyone? EDIT: It was "Dont' Trust The B___ in Apt. 23". Found it on IMDB. 2013 |
| Posted by: Widowmaker 13 August 2016 - 07:49 PM | ||
To be fair, Partners wasn't exactly consistent with what had been established in season 1 anyway. Mac said he saved Pete from quicksand when he first met him, then Partners showed them meeting in Los Angeles while Pete was trying to bust Murdoc. Other than that, Mac's personality had changed between the first and second seasons, and his portrayal in Partners was based on how he was being portrayed in season 2, even though it was supposed to be 7 years ago. |
| Posted by: DashboardOnFire 14 August 2016 - 01:42 AM |
| I thought again about him declining a participation after the TCA panel. We all kind of agreed that his statement was a bit harsh back then and would have made more sense with the Unaired Pilot Trailer. They made many changes since then, but now that Lenkov has said at the TCAs that they had already created a specific role for him, and RDA still thinks that after all the overhauling of the personnel involved in the reboot the show doesn't honor the original character, I wonder... |
| Posted by: KiwiTek 14 August 2016 - 02:24 AM |
| I can't help wondering if his decision has come solely from certain people telling him "your fans hate it. Don't do it"..... or if it's really just an excuse he's using because he likes being retired and really doesn't want to do TV any more - who can blame him for that? |
| Posted by: denizen 14 August 2016 - 08:22 PM |
| The next time RDA is at a panel or convention, this could be question to raise. |
| Posted by: MacDobromir 15 August 2016 - 12:49 AM | ||||
It was "Fairly Legal". But RDA was small part of it. Important but small, as far I remember. |
| Posted by: Miasma 15 August 2016 - 05:39 AM | ||||||
Thanks! You're right, that's the one I was thinking of. That was 2011. But I also see him listed for "Don't Trust The B___ In Apt. 23," in 2013. |
| Posted by: Drawz 29 August 2016 - 11:32 PM |
| Really? Is this real? In a statement made through his website dated July 25 he wrote... "I'm not considering being a part of a project that has overlooked the insanely LOYAL FANS of the original character and has proceeded without considering how and why they all became and STAYED loyal fans... Yes, I was asked, but no, I won't be involved in the MacGyver reboot. I have tried to recognize that there really is a balance to be found here. Hence, my loyalty to my fans." |
| Posted by: KiwiTek 30 August 2016 - 01:16 PM | ||
Yes it's real. http://www.macgyveronline.com/news/anderson-says-no-to-reboot And on RDA's page (scroll down a bit) http://rdanderson.com/updates/index.htm |
| Posted by: tvero 31 August 2016 - 04:46 AM |
| That's his choice. I don't mean he's right ( Ok. I think he is). And there's nothing unprofessional about that .Some people who took part in the original show accepted to change MANY THINGS. They are to blame .They just want to make money out of it ,very sad ... As for the actor's charisma  ,come on... |
| Posted by: Miasma 31 August 2016 - 08:10 AM | ||||||
I'm not sure what you mean. Who are you referring to, and what are we supposed to blame them for?
Well, EVERY tv show wants to make money. As long as they make a quality show, I don't see a problem with it.
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| Posted by: tvero 2 September 2016 - 12:16 PM |
| You want names? Ok. Henry Winkler, Lee David Zlotoff .They should have defended the original show/character ...they didn't .YES , they just want to make money . It's sad ...to me this is betrayal . And the 'baby' they have found to play the new MacGyver ...so full of himself ...this is all wrong. THIS IS NOT MACGYVER (my opinion shared by many others). |
| Posted by: angus20 5 September 2016 - 06:15 AM |
| I do understand your point of view, in fact Zlotoff did several attempts to merchandise Macgyver as a product, (comic book, university auditions, etc) which were good and did not interfere with the original series, but now we have a new production team working full time for a tv show that only God knows how it will work-- RDA was right, in his interviews he always feels glad to talk about Mac and the memories of the show, even if just was a character, I strongly believe he feels proud of his part in the series and obviously even if had more shows/movies, people usually relate him with Macgyver. As most of you know, every show is created to generate profit, sometimes they provide us entertainment and sometimes we relate ourselves with the characters, in my personal case Magyver has inspired me in a lot of aspects of my life, Im sure RDA was the main driver that created such an ingenues hero. So i just wish that the new show stand by its own and bring new ideas instead of trying to replicate what was done 30 years ago. |
| Posted by: denizen 5 September 2016 - 09:39 AM |
| I have stated before and I say it again. MacGyver 2016 will never be MacGyver 1985. But it could be fun. They are at least trying to implement familiarity with the original to which I applaud them. It could have been MUCH worse. But with the hype they're investing in it is grounds to give it a go. |
| Posted by: KiwiTek 5 September 2016 - 06:59 PM |
| In total we have probably seen about 2 minutes of footage and that definitely isn't enough to make a considered judgment on a new show. That's like deciding if you like a house just by looking through the front door. Lets at least watch a few episodes to see how it all fits together and get a feel for how the characters are presented AND THEN decide if we like it. |
| Posted by: tvero 6 September 2016 - 03:51 AM |
| Don't get me wrong. I 'm not against the fact that they wanted to create a new show .I'm against the fact that they picked up an iconic and unique character and turned him into a far less original one (apparently).Why keep the name "MacGyver" if it has no (not many) connection(s) with the original one ? MacGyver is special and from what I saw ,they didn't realize it. The first MacGyver was 'brand new' and 'fresh' (actors, producers),this one isn't. Calculated...but maybe not successful. Let's wait and see.  |
| Posted by: MiracleMac 6 September 2016 - 04:23 AM | ||
Well said |
| Posted by: Miasma 6 September 2016 - 05:55 AM | ||||||||
The main thing that made MacGyver original was his use of MacGyverisms rather than using a gun. From everything we've heard, it sounds like they're keeping that element. Heck, it sounds like they'll actually be doing it more than the original show did. By the later seasons of the original series, there were times when he did maybe ONE little MacGyverism per episode, while show is promising about eight per episode. As for the other aspects of his personality that made him original, we simply don't know at this point. As Kiwitek said, we've seen about 2 minutes of footage, and naturally those two minutes were focused purely on action since they needed to grab the audience's attention. We haven't even seen one full conversation.
Again, though: You've seen only two minutes (I'm assuming.) Also, I think what a lot of people chalk up to "special" is actually nostalgia. The original series was fun, definitely, but my attachment to it really comes from the fact that I grew up with it, so when I see it now, it brings back my childhood, making it special.
Lucas Till is pretty "fresh" actually. I hadn't even heard of him before we all started talking about this. It's not as if he's been in the starring role of any other major tv series. As far as I know George Eads is the only actor in the main cast who has had a starring role in a long running, successful series before this. As for the producers, I don't really see what advantage there is to having inexperienced people, so I don't see any problem there. (Actually, looking back at season 1 of the original series, it might have helped if RDA hadn't been quite so 'fresh.' His acting was a bit dodgy for a while, and he even admits that.)
Exactly. Look, I haven't been thrilled with everything I've seen so far, but I want to keep an open mind about this, and remain optimistic. The show WILL be different, no doubt. It NEEDS to be different, because as much as we all loved the original show in the 80s, a show like that wouldn't really stand up in today's world. Standards have gone up. Audiences expect more now. Let's hope this new MacGyver can live up to those standards. And if it doesn't, no big deal. It will disappear, and the original series will still be available to watch whenever we want. |
| Posted by: MacDobromir 7 September 2016 - 03:29 AM | ||
I think tvero that "MacGyver" means something different for different people. For some fans "MacGyver" is equal to RDA.Obviously You cannot pleased that kind o people by making reboot with different actor. For some others "MacGyver" means a lot of "macgyverism". There will be plenty of that according to Lenkov (And I hope more realistic than some from the original). For some it means humble creative guy who is trying to save the World, etc, and more, and more.... So many fans, and so many pictures of "Macgyver", We can choose, but it is really hard to choose which one is THE ORIGINAL. There will be always some elements that we will love, like or hate in this reboot. But as many of You just put this before - Let's wait and see  |
| Posted by: DashboardOnFire 26 September 2016 - 02:54 PM |
| Interview from Gatecon 2 weeks ago: http://wormholeriders.net/stargate/?p=28312 RDA talks again about the Reboot at around 20 minutes in. |
| Posted by: Jediferret 27 September 2016 - 05:06 AM |
| I think RDA has some good points. MacGyver did perfectly belong in the 80's. When I re-watched it back in 2012, it was out of nostalgia. My life was such a mess, I just wanted to feel like a kid again. Not only did it do that, but it was like "comfort food" television. lol I actually felt better after watching an episode. How it did that, I have no clue... I'm still trying to figure that out. XD |
| Posted by: tvero 27 September 2016 - 05:33 AM | ||
You don't have to feel guilty about it. We needed (male) models when we were younger . Things are different now (we know them with their faults ...and ours ).But Mac (1985...) will remain our model. This new Mac won't, no way. |
| Posted by: angus20 28 September 2016 - 08:59 AM |
| straight answer from the real man! thx DashboardOnFire, finally I understand this video was worth watching. Objectively speaking, they created the 1st version of the Pilot episode but it was not well received but some fans so they decided to recreate the episode, just wondering at what point did they try to contact RDA as he indicated it was a little too late, seems they noticed some issues or future issues, so they tried to get the original actor- |
| Posted by: KiwiTek 28 September 2016 - 02:08 PM |
| I wonder if "A little too late" meant that he wanted to have input into the planning and production of it? And of course by the time they contacted him they were already past all that and filming episodes. |
| Posted by: Jediferret 28 September 2016 - 02:27 PM |
| If that's the case, they kinda missed an opportunity... they'd have a better product, me thinks. But, that's just me... |
| Posted by: tvero 29 September 2016 - 07:42 AM | ||
I'm not quite sure that's what he meant. Since Henry Winkler and Lee David Zlotoff were/are part of it , it would have been better/nicer to talk to RDA about it earlier...they worked together for years , didn't they ? If the show was so successful it was partly ( for the most part ?) thanks to RDA. It seems they 'remembered' him only when they realized the reboot wasn't too good .As RDA put it, it was a bit late, too late . |
| Posted by: Jediferret 29 September 2016 - 09:59 AM |
| Well, one thing I know is that RDA seems to be done with MacGyver... period. When Young MacGyver tried to get off the ground, he wished them luck, but didn't want to be a part of it... possible he feels the same way with the reboot. Of course, Jared Padalecki (aka Clay MacGyver) went on to become very popular in Supernatural. Next to RDA, he's one of my favorite actors. If they had done a reboot "movie" with a 30-something MacGyver staring Jared Padalecki... I'd totally see it. Jared is a really good guy... very sweet. If anyone dissed Jared... there'd be hell to pay. =P Which is why I'm against dissing Lucas Till. I don't know him... for all we know, he could be a really good person. |
| Posted by: denizen 29 September 2016 - 08:28 PM |
| But what if he's really bad? |
| Posted by: Jediferret 30 September 2016 - 04:25 AM |
| He doesn't seem like a bad guy... well, not to me anyway. But, what can I say? I try to look at the good in people... lol |
| Posted by: DashboardOnFire 30 September 2016 - 08:33 AM | ||
I assume they didn't ask him before Lenkov came on board. Now that we've seen the pilot it's clear they took over a lot from Colaizzo's script for the unaired pilot and probably some of director Von Ancken's editing (which is why Colaizzo and Von Ancken are also credited in the new version). They probably didn't involve RDA before; not knowing if the reboot is going to be picked up. And with the need to "MacGyver" together a new version with parts of an old script, but a new team and a new location, yet CBS insisting to be ready for Fall Season, they're wasn't much time left. What a pity... who knows - if not as an actor, maybe RDA would have been interested in being an EP or an adviser or something. |
| Posted by: Jediferret 30 September 2016 - 09:30 AM |
| I always thought it would be great if they just had RDA come by the set... not to work or anything, but just to chat. Even though I've never met him, I know he's a super nice guy. They could learn some things from him perhaps. Honestly, having RDA involved in some fashion will produce a much better show. I think one thing they need to do is utilize any of Lucas' own personal skills. For instance, I read he supports a charity called Nightlight International, which is an organization that reaches out to victims of human trafficking. They could even do an episode around that! lol Kinda be like what the original did for Challengers Club. |
| Posted by: DashboardOnFire 21 October 2016 - 02:27 PM |
| RDA talks a bit about the Reboot in this new Interview for Megafest ComicCon: http://www.telegram.com/entertainmentlife/20161021/macgyver-star-richard-dean-anderson-to-appear-at-super-megafest-comic-con (...) Anderson confesses that he’s not a fan of a new “MacGyver,” calling the reboot “a little too flashy and goodsy” for his taste and missing that nuance of coolness that the original show had. “The obvious problem I have with the new 'MacGyver' is when it takes place. It’s a modern-day 'MacGyver,' ” Anderson explained. “MacGyver in 1985, I could believe that he didn’t have a cellphone and couldn’t communicate with the outside world and call in for help. Like nowadays, there’s so much technology that you almost look silly not utilizing it, unless you’re just backwards.” (...) |
| Posted by: KiwiTek 21 October 2016 - 03:26 PM | ||
Sorry, but this just makes him sound bitter and his argument is ridiculous. So you call for help.. then what? You still have to deal with the problem while you wait for the help. AND MacGyver is the guy you call for help, NOT the one doing the calling.  We saw then trapped in a burning building last week. So what, they call the fire brigade and then burn to death waiting for them to turn up or find a way our of the building to save yourself. Look at last weeks episode with the bomb. How would having a smart phone help disarm a customized bomb that only 2 people know how to disarm? Look at the episode before that.. how would having a smart phone help stay that guys life? Mac already knew what to do, but they were being hunted so had to stay on the move. And this weeks episode is on a sabotaged train. Hows a smart phone going to help? I'll say it again....As much as I respect RDA... That argument is ridiculous. |
| Posted by: shadowrider 21 October 2016 - 08:36 PM | ||||
Agreed. The new show is garbage but for totally different reasons than the one he brought up. |
| Posted by: RadiantRose 22 October 2016 - 02:49 AM |
| I hesitate to assume someone is "bitter", particularly if I don't even know them, and particularly if I hear good things about them. On the other hand, I agree that the "we have smartphones" argument is a weak argument. But sometimes people put forward weak arguments in defence of sound decisions. This is speculation, bu maybe the reboot is putting too much emphasis on Mac's technical abilities and not enough on his character. For me, and maybe this explains why I wasn't a fan first time round, not seeing enough episodes to get the whole picture, the absolute best thing about the original was  's innate integrity and idealism. It's not just that he wanted to save the planet and not kill his enemies and promote human rights across the world and bring in glasnost. It's also that he could be extremely intelligent, physically fit and brave, without thinking, "Wow, I must be some kind of alpha male, I should probably find someone to boss around or look down on". He just doesn't buy into that way of thinking. At all. It doesn't enter his mind to look down on people because of their nationality or because they have addictions or they're mentally unwell ... And I haven't had the opportunity to see any of the reboot so far ... I don't know whether the new writers have really captured that aspect of the original Mac. |
| Posted by: Jediferret 22 October 2016 - 08:34 AM |
| Well, I'm not 100% sure how RDA feels about MacGyver as a whole... but based off his reaction to the Young MacGyver series, I think he's just plain done and doesn't want anything to do with it. As I said before, it's probably just an "excuse" explanation because he doesn't want a part of it. Even if we don't agree with why he doesn't like the reboot... at least he seems to share that feeling that the reboot just doesn't quite fit as MacGyver. I understand what he's trying to say, but he's not completely right on that... The reason being that people these days rely too heavily on smartphones and technology to the point that they're taking it for granted. Some day, perhaps sooner rather than later, we may be with out those things. Then what? A hero like MacGyver is needed because he knew how to survive without smartphones and technology to always bail him out. If a kid has to go on wikia to find out how to build a fire... we're in deep trouble... =P |
| Posted by: DashboardOnFire 27 November 2016 - 02:05 PM |
| RDA talking about the reboot at the Toulouse Game Show this weekend (Sound is not that great): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUniVq6NuLE&feature=youtu.be I have to say, I agree with him; and he's mentioning all the problems we've discussed in here (concerning Jack Dalton and his gun, big explosions and the MacGyverisms happening too fast). |
| Posted by: MacGyverGod 27 November 2016 - 02:20 PM |
| I haven't seen anything yet but it seems spot on from what I know so far. Explosions should be used as diversions. Blowing up an ammo depot as he did so many times or a failed bomb defusing attempt. Jack should be a pilot with a moustache and a twitch. |
| Posted by: denizen 27 November 2016 - 08:51 PM |
| Exactly how i feel toward every episode so far. Jack Dalton, guns, killing. Yup. He nailed it. |
| Posted by: KiwiTek 28 November 2016 - 01:28 AM |
Yep. He nailed it. |
| Posted by: Miasma 28 November 2016 - 04:27 PM |
| Yep, it seems RDA has the same thoughts most of us have had. I really wonder if Lenkov hears these complaints. I mean, it seems that the complaints are pretty consistent. RDA is basically echoing what many of us have already said countless times, and I see similar complaints elsewhere on the internet. So is Lenkov aware of it, and does he plan to make changes? Or does he just figure that since the rating are good, there's really no incentive to change anything? |
| Posted by: denizen 28 November 2016 - 07:56 PM |
| If you did something that was bringing home the bacon (And enough of it), would you change it? |
| Posted by: DashboardOnFire 29 November 2016 - 09:27 AM |
| I think they did listen to the complaints after the release of the trailer for the unaired pilot; they changed a lot for the better. I also think they did adjustements after the first few episodes; e.g. the Bozer-Storylines with his movie project (remember the "Ninja Babes on Tanks"-Scene that got cut out?) and getting Riley's phone number have been reduced majorly. Justin Hires revealed beforehand that he will have more work to do after Episode 8 and I think they adjusted his character a bit since the pilot. On the other hand, since this is a reboot and not a remake and the ratings are rising again, CBS along with Lenkov and the other producers probably feel entitled to their ideas and that they have already adjusted enough because of complaints. They want to do their thing now (at least for the rest of the initially 13 episodes they had planned). But I guess it's possible that they store complaints and viewer ideas to get some more inspiration for Season 2 (if the show gets renewed). |
| Posted by: KiwiTek 29 November 2016 - 12:39 PM | ||
Well he gets included in quite a few negative tweets about the show, but only ever responds to positive ones. Also we're 3 episodes past the pilot airing date (they were filming episode 6 when the pilot aired) and if they were taking any of the comments on board we wold have seen changes by now. So I think it's pretty clear that Lenkov doesn't give a damn about what the fans think as long as his ratings stay up. Which I must admit I find very disappointing. From the way he talked about being a fan himself and wanting to honer the original I had hoped he would be looking for ways to improve the fine tune the show, but alas it's now becoming very clear that he's not. |
| Posted by: Miasma 29 November 2016 - 01:12 PM | ||
Could they really make changes that quickly, though? It would take time to sort through all the feedback, and I assume they wouldn't make drastic changes based ONLY on feedback about the pilot episode. It seems more likely that we would start to see bigger changes after the show takes a break (maybe between seasons, or at least after the original 13 episodes are finished, especially if there's a midseason break.) Right now, I think they pretty much just need to keep churning out the episodes based on their original plan in order to get everything done on time. That's just my guess, though. |
| Posted by: Joe SAKic 29 November 2016 - 02:20 PM | ||
No, if ain't broke(re: ratings), don't fix it. Be nice if he had 80s clothes, 80s mullet, and talked hockey 24/7 from my end .... but I guarantee you the ratings would take a nose dive. I don't think they really care what the small demographic of old school fans 'need' to see in their hero ... because it almost assuredly won't pay the bills as well. And that's the bottom line. |
| Posted by: DashboardOnFire 29 November 2016 - 02:57 PM | ||
True. The interviews and statements were very encouraging and promising, so the end result is very disappointing. Yet I don't think it's all Lenkov's fault; but in part that he succumbed to the pressure and orders from CBS. Although they were only filming on Episode 6 while the pilot aired, most episodes must have been already written (or at least heavily outlined and connected with following episodes); crew hired, locations scouted, places and equipment rented and sets built. Maybe with having to carry 2 shows running at the same time, he's not strong and/or willing to butt heads (e.g. fight for more money) with the "big bosses" at CBS. |
| Posted by: denizen 29 November 2016 - 07:52 PM |
| And this is why the new MacGyver will always be a shadow of the original. Bunch of guys that saw the first season and worked on that concept by totally missing the point of the character and who he ultimately became. When i think of RDA MacGyver, i think, nice guy, cares about people, is against killing. Comes up with constructive ways of improving peoples lives. Wow, you'd think that his team in the new one would have taken some notes on how to be like him but they just prefer to make lame jokes and shoot people. |
| Posted by: KiwiTek 30 November 2016 - 02:01 AM | ||||
yeah that's a good point. |
| Posted by: MiracleMac 30 November 2016 - 06:24 AM |
| Does this season 1 get 22 episodes? |
| Posted by: angus20 30 November 2016 - 08:00 AM |
| According to some articles, yes the episode count for Macgyver series is set to full-season 22 episodes. Regarding the latest interview that RDA gave in TGS recently (which i need to investigate further, I found some short clips and a long version with poor audio quality) I know he constantly refers the Smartphone to solve situations and that this will ruin the new show, but guys maybe some of us don't realized how things has changed since the 80s, in the past whenever he knew something regarding science or physics, most likely the majority of the ppl won't know those things, now you just need a phone to clear out any question you may have, even for experiments, languages and all the notions of the world, etc. And we can't forget the power of a cellphone nowadays, so he has a good point of view, in fact thinking on the new show, do they really need Riley? I'm not an expert on the new series, but for the 5 episodes I watched shes is just the classic pretty girl carrying a portable computer, but Mac could've resolved most of the issues with his cellphone, but since they need a pretty face (every time bending over to show her attributes) and for the rest well RDA pointed out same thoughts most of us already discussed. |
| Posted by: Miasma 30 November 2016 - 08:09 AM | ||
I don't think most cell phones can do what Riley's comptuers do. Hell, I don't think most computers can do what Riley's computers do. That's what I don't like about it-- her computers are like these magic machines that can just do whatever she needs them to do. "24" had the same problem, with Chloe being able to do anything she wanted on her computer. I get that it's fiction, and we need to suspend disbelief a bit, but it always just seems like a bit of a cop-out when computers can be used to do anything. If I were in charge of restructuring the show, and if CBS insisted that Riley had to stay, I would have her working from the Phoenix Foundation, not out in the field. She could use her computer expertise to examine evidence or whatever else Mac brings back from his assignments, but try to keep it at least somewhat grounded in reality. |
| Posted by: DashboardOnFire 30 November 2016 - 09:46 AM |
| While I like Riley, I agree that the show would work better if she wasn't out in the field on a mission every episode. The team is too big with Thornton and Bozer also demanding screentime. Take Episode 3 (Awl): While her computer translating the Malaysian Doctors Orders is a very neat thing, it takes a lot of screen time that could have been used for something else. Like if the episode had played in the US and/or the doctor had been fluent in English, and if maybe it had been Jack on the phone with some random hospital doctor they had called, the resulting leftover screentime could have been used on the MacGyverism instead or on character development. The storyline would still have worked. I write texts for a living (information brochures for cancer patients) and I learned that if you still understand the text, there's no need to add unnecessary and "decorating" words. Yes, a TV show is art and not a documentary or just some type of information, but if the storyline still works, why add unnecessary things? (in this case, characters and B- and C-storylines like Bozer trying to get Rileys phone number). |
| Posted by: MiracleMac 30 November 2016 - 03:14 PM |
| How many characters there are usually in each episode, if you count main characters and co-stars? |
| Posted by: denizen 30 November 2016 - 08:43 PM |
| In all honesty, I don't see the point of any of the characters. Bozer, Riley or Dalton. Although i don't necessarily mind Riley's character (And no, its not because she is attractive), she just comes across as a "nice" person which makes me wonder why she was in prison. Doesn't fit the character profile. Especially given the extremeness of her capture. You'd think a character like this would have attempted to take a chance on the pilot episode, only to be persuaded otherwise by MacGyver, or so that is how i would have written it. Instead she was just given the "Do the right thing" speech from the beginning. |
| Posted by: KiwiTek 1 December 2016 - 01:52 AM | ||
That argument is absolutely stupid and if you look at the situations we've seen MacGyver in in this new show you can see he doesn't have time to look stuff up. If your trapped in a burning building are you gonna spend time googling "how can I get our of a burning building with [insert items here]? Or if you have someone attacking you, shooting at you, whatever.. are you gonna use your phone to look up what you should do? Of coarse not! The whole point of MacGyver is that he doesn't need to do that.. the science and objective thought is already in his head. The rest of us might eventually get there after spending some time googling stuff... but MacGyver has it all pretty much straight away... that always has been and always will be the magic of the character - he doesn't need a smart phone to figure out how to do something! |
| Posted by: Jediferret 1 December 2016 - 05:17 AM |
| I don't agree with RDA about the smartphone deal... I'm one of those 80's kids who owns a smartphone. The original MacGyver relied heavily on life experience and common sense, which is seriously lacking in today's society. Having a smartphone doesn't ruin anything because if you're smart enough, you really don't need it. I don't live by my phone... and I can go a whole day without even looking at it. At best, a smartphone is "convenient" if you want to look something up quickly, and it's good in emergencies. Even the original MacGyver had a phone in his Jeep. However, smartphones do have their imperfections... for instance, you still have "dead zones" that make them utterly useless. Riley herself is not needed in every episode. I think she would make an excellent secondary character, almost like Kate from Ugly Duckling. Even still, Kate was on par with MacGyver, as he had some pretty decent computer and hacking skills. I think if they needed a serious hacker, Riley would be useful. But there are a lot of imperfections, and I do agree with RDA that the reboot has missed it's mark. Though it's not an awful show, it's a typical, shallow action show with a ton of explosions..... which isn't my kind of thing. The original, at least, had some substance. |
| Posted by: MacGyverGod 1 December 2016 - 05:25 AM |
| A phone to make calls not to use as a solution for everything. If it comes to hacking maybe they should've brought Dexter along. |