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Posted: 18 May 2016 - 02:55 PM                                    
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There is definitely all the hallmarks of a classic in this ! MacGyver is in safe hands at CBS, and it has huge potential for a 2017 movie from Loingate!

I love Lucas's take on the character. I'm liking this protrayal... And this is the pilot in its worse shape.

It can only get better !

Well so far.... It's better than I could have wished for !

So keep the improvements coming. Looks amazing!

 
                                                                     
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I'm not feeling the characters yet... and yes, too much of Lincoln for me. But lots of action, nice!

Everyone's talking about that "Hanson Brothers" Hair on Twitter, though - now I can't get the Hanson's "MmmmBop" out of my mind roller.gif

 
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Interesting... not many complaints, but still nothing to rejoice over yet. Some small things I don't care for, but that's just my personal preference. My only major complaint is the hair... dear god, it's distracting! I do like Lincoln and the overall feel of the trailer. I will give the pilot a shot.

Until then, I'm staying on my fence.

 
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Better than I was hoping for, so that's a good sign. It has potential for sure, and my God that hair, cut that please Lukas biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Lincoln seems cool, but one thing I do hope they bring from the original series is MacGyver's dislike for guns.

 
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It looks great! Then again, rarely do trailers miss their mark of drawing/enticing/luring potential subscribers. sak.gif

 
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Ah come on Joe Sakic,

Let's not take this moment away from CBS, their on the ball !

With Peter Lenkov on board, some MacGyvering with the cast, and some tweeking here and there.

But hey....a Great start !

 
                                                                     
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No, it's just a fact. I just made a drone trailer for an upcoming documentary. I used all my sexy footage and I'm now scrambling to produce a full length product sans mediocre lulls - that lives up to the teaser. doh.gif Not so easy, having said that, gonna assume that CBS is trendsetting here and put their worst clips for this trailer and that the end product will thus blow everyone away - re: glass half full. wink.gif

 
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Does the release of the trailer mean that the pilot won't be reshot, or do you think that still in play?

 
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QUOTE (themacgyverproject @ 19 May 2016 - 01:20 PM)
Does the release of the trailer mean that the pilot won't be reshot, or do you think that still in play?

Yeah I wondered the same thing because it has Addison in it and we now she has now been dropped.... or had been dropped. Maybe she's back on again? doh.gif

I'm liking the look of this so far. The only thing which is really bugging me is the long hair. I really don't like the scruffy surfer hippy look. Yes I know RDA had long hair at times, but it never looked completely out of control and un-cared for like Lucas' hair does.


 
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One thing in the trailer which seems to be catching peoples attention is the "Crafting the bow and explosive arrow to blow up a truck which would have at least a driver in it."

There's some commenting about MacGyver is suppose to be opposed to violence and wouldn't deliberately blow people up like that which is a fair comment. Now it could be that those are 2 separate scenes edited together in the trailer, but I think this is something CBS need to be very aware of. MacGyver isn't just about gimmick MacGyverisms. There were very strong "brains over brawn" undertones which drew the fans to it and they need to be careful not to break that down, otherwise it's just another Burn Notice show.

Hopefully those are to different scenes, but I reckon then need to be careful not to make it look like MacGyver is being violent because they're already walking a tight rope with the fans as it is.


 
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It's way late I have like a million things I want to say but I will post a full discussion tomorrow

I do like the bow and arrow and is one of the cooler new macgyverisms from the trailer

Till owns the part this is essentially Macgyver Begins and I like Till and can feel he will become RDA's Mac over the course of 6-7 seasons


Like I said I have a ton more observations but if I don't shower and sleep now I won't get to work on time tomorrow.. All I can say is I LOVE IT

 
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QUOTE (themacgyverproject @ 19 May 2016 - 03:20 AM)
Does the release of the trailer mean that the pilot won't be reshot, or do you think that still in play?

I wondered about that, too! I've spotted both Addison and Michelle; the only secondary character I didn't see was Joshua Boone. Even if they won't end up on the team that join MacGyver and Lincoln for this "clandestine operation" (according to the synopsis), I don't see why they couldn't stay on the pilot episode - especially now that it seems pilot script writer Colaizzo and director von Ancken still seem to be on board. Everything they created initially could stay in the pilot (and been dealt with later)...

They could use the existing material, reshoot some scenes and background stories and cut it new together; maybe use some of the old scenes for a second or third episode - no?

 
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Well, Addison is not amused:

Addison Timlin ‏@Addijay
I wish network television would quit firing me but putting me in their promotions anyway.

Addison Timlin ‏@Addijay
I know a couple of people that would sue for false advertising and their names are, my parents.

 
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KiwiTek,

You made a comment about MacGyver being opposed to violence and that the bow and arrow scene is somehow out of character. I must disagree. Your comment has an air, which screams NANNY-STATE...?

I could highlight many times in RDA's version, he did something similar. Here is one video clip that highlights my point best, (see ending of clip) ....and there are more examples. So, CBS aren't doing anything different or wrong.

https://youtu.be/XfCa3wn37mU

When James Bond is seen in those action scenes, riding a motorbike on the roof tops of houses. You don't honestly sit there and question how he still has a driving license or that this is somehow setting a bad example for young kids watching? C'mon!

MacGyver always used enough violence to get the job done. That's what made the show great!

...and it is what will make this show great. The show isn't meant to be a life lesson. It meant to be an action packed hour long show... for pure escapism.

RDA was like a modern day James Bond, Lucas has the same vibe... but with perhaps an air of Jason Bourne about him also.

And even if they are trying to go for a scorpion or burn notice vibe, why would that be so bad?

There is a type of audience who like certain things and producers make shows, that will fit that demographic.

For example, ER was a classic, but their have been many other medical procedural dramas since, trying to replicate it's success. Some fail, some don't. A show has certain perimeters, elements that make them unique or different to other shows.
Some appeal to audiences better than others. They make new show and try to emulate and learn from the success of others. Grey Anatomy being the most prominent - is a medical drama, it isn't trying to copy ER, but I'm sure it serves as, and caters too the same audience in it's appeal.

 
                                                                     
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It looks to me like he is aiming at the front, just under the truck to try and flip it rather than blow it up outright. The other night we had the original on and Mac blew a Jeep over with two people in. No way in reality could he have been sure he wasn't going to hurt or kill anyone. I recall it because my mom commented on it!

My only beef with the trailer is if they reshoot they've teased us with something that doesn't exist anymore!

 
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MacJeep,

CBS are professionals - they know how to entertain.

The pilot is being tweeked. Yes the supporting cast is being culled. So it means a few new scenes must be reshot and the episode needing to be re-edit.

The story modified and script changed... but in essence the pilot is 90% there. It's about reworking. Peter Lenkov will know what to do and to bring this to series. This guy is no one hit wonder, he is very talented and highly professional.

The audience can rest assure, he'll do a good job. And he'll be aware of the negativity and vibes about the hair etc

But it may not be fixed in the Pilot episode... but certainly adjusted long-term.




 
                                                                     
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QUOTE (RDoyletv @ 19 May 2016 - 06:04 PM)
I could highlight many times in RDA's version, he did something similar. Here is one video clip that highlights my point best, (see ending of clip) ....and there are more examples. So, CBS aren't doing anything different or wrong.

https://youtu.be/XfCa3wn37mU

No where in that scene does he make a weapon and use it to blow up a vehicle while the drive is inside it.

I find your Nanny state comment arrogant and insulting.

Do you actually think that using your brains over violence is a nanny state??

DO you not understand that that was the whole basis of MacGyver? He avoided violence as much as possible and certainly didn't deliberately put peoples lives in danger as blowing up a vehicle while it's being driven would do.

My point which you have either ignored or competently missed is that the fans are already picking up on that explosion and that it looked like MacGyver blew a car up with people in it...something the old Mac wouldn't' do.

MacGyver is anti violence... that clip wasn't I was saying CBS need to take care that they don't give that impression.


 
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Kiwitek,

I'm sorry you found that insulting, I didn't mean to offend. I was merely illustrating the way society has become. SO... POLITICALLY CORRECT!

Heck, there was violence in Tom and Jerry cartoons, that doesn't mean we can't watch it for what it was... pure entertainment.

If you watched the clip again - you'll see MacGyver blowing up a car with a detonator, the car contained driver and passengers. Either way, it leads to the same thing.

I was one of those people who watched the trailer, and saw nothing wrong with it.

He aimed up in the air, shot the make-shift arrow up and over, it's clearly seen going up and over the vehicle, and exploding beyond the car, making the car flip in the air.

It is quite similar to the example I showed you. Maybe your deliberately not seeing the connection?

There is clearly nothing different about that, than say any action scene James Bond would do, or any other action hero for that matter. Violence is part and parcel of all action shows.

And their was always violence in MacGyver, always.

 
                                                                     
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The point I was making in my original statement is that the whole underlying theme AND the thing which made MacGyver different from other heroes is that he hated violence and tried his best to avoid it. The whole MacGyverisms thing was as a result of being anti-violence and anti-guns.

CBS have to maintain that underlying theme to the show. There are certain things which must remain the same in a reboot in order to keep the essence of the show.. for MacGyver those things are SAK, MacGyverisms, no guns or gratuitous violence.

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There is clearly nothing different about that, than say any action scene James Bond would do, or any other action hero for that matter. Violence is part and parcel of all action shows.

And you've COMPLETELY missed the point of MacGyver. He's not James Bond or a normal action hero. The whole premise of the character is that he's the opposite of normal heroes. He out-thinks rather than outguns.




 
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Speaking for myself, I didn't like that bow and arrow thing, because I got a pro-violence vibe from it. I could be wrong of course, and watching the full episode, it may look differently. CBS should take notes and get the feedback from the fans, to try and correct a few things.

 
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Hello smile.gif I'm a 16 year old fan of MacGyver:) Glad to finally be a member of macgyveronline smile.gif

I'd just like to say that I was really excited about the reboot because I knew that MacGyver was a different and unique hero and that our generation could learn a lot of stuff from him. The show is very special for me, because I think that I MacGyver isn't just an action show. Maybe it was like that purely during the first few seasons but as the seasons went buy a lot of episodes were almost PSA-like. Also, I know a person who had watched the show when it was still on and that person learned a lot of things from MacGyver, so I really think that MacGyver eventually came to be an action show that also teaches values to people. It never ended purely as an action show. I think that's what makes MacGyver special from the rest. Take away the life lessons, take away the idealistic characteristics out of him and he'll just be like the other action heroes with the difference of not carrying a gun. That was what the show was for me. I cannot argue with how it was for other people, I respect your reasons. For some, it may be just an action show. I'm okay with that. smile.gif For some, it may be just a thing of the past (and I don't even think there's a single member in here who thinks that.) What's really important here is that we all share one thing in common: MacGyver is special for us all.

The bow and arrow scene did make me raise my eyebrows because I think it was the first time I saw Mac use a bow and arrow which has a pretty similar concept to a gun. I would think the old MacGyver would hate to use them, too...but he would if he had to. MacGyver has used lots of improvised weapons before which have similar concepts to guns but I think the main principle here is that he makes sure the weapons are as harmless as possible. I think the explosive arrow from the trailer is something the new MacGyver could have been hesitant to use, but had to use for whatever reason the story presents us. So I guess we'll be able to perfectly judge it only after we see the whole pilot.

I believe that CBS has done a good job, tho. I also like their optimism because from the looks of it, they really believe in MacGyver. But I hope that modernizing doesn't mean taking away the life lessons that the show once had, though I think it would be lessened. Well, not everything has to be exaggerated. Just make MacGyver a cool secret agent while being a good role model for others is already great. We need more role models in the messed up world that we have smile.gif

 
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Welcome to the site. smile.gif

You make good points.

I guess we could say that in the original pilot, MacGyver fired a gun, but never did it again, so maybe he fires a bow and arrow in this pilot, but will never do it again. laugh.gif


 
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Trailer looks spectacular enough for me to win me over. Seems a few great nods to the 80's. The yellow glasses (On A Wing and a Prayer) The fingerprint is even a mix of Two Times Troubles and Halloween Knights when getting Carla's fingerprint from the jar on a piece of tape and using Nicolas's glass, the ponytail, again On A Wing and a Prayer, Jenny's Chance, Deep Cover, The Lost Amadeus.

Now I come to the exploding arrow. A nod to Rambo/Predator apparently. Before we all go to Mac-correctness, I think we can only speculate to what we saw. Maybe the driver jumped out of the car but it was cut from the trailer. However it seems unlikely and from what I saw, he fired the arrow from a car that was driving away from him, not towards him. So that makes it actually quite spectacular. Shooting an exploding arrow over a car that is driving away and lands in front of it? That's pretty cool. Than we can start nitpicking; was it his intention to kill the people inside? I'd say not because if he can shoot an arrow that good he could've hit the car if he really wanted to but instead he shoots it over the car.

Plus the original show has at least three-four moments in which MacGyver could've killed someone. He did fire a gun in the Pilot, agreed it was the first episode and there was still some figuring out which way the character would go, but we also didn't see if he actually killed somebody. It was decided he wouldn't use guns afterwards unless for MacGyverism. He didn't seem to bother to go after Murdoc when he fell into the fiery pool after he deliberately electrocuted him in Cleo Rocks. In Log Jam he stayed on top of Glass on the conveyor belt until all the way on the top before he jumped aside and not giving Glass the chance to jump to safety. He fell to his death instead. And don't forget, MacGyver threw the bomb to the bad guys their car in Off The Wall and it exploded right on the moment they drove over it. They crawled out with cuts on their faces and coughing.

Should we really fall over this than? He didn't hit the car, it seems more like the car was blown upwards from the explosion. It doesn't have to mean the person inside is dead. Because if it is, they really missed the point here.

And when it comes to violence... even in the original show, I know there are plenty of fights started by MacGyver himself but I think most of those fights happened when there were no other options or just simply not enough time to come up with a MacGyverism, than you might as well take them out with a good punch. I know he hated guns and violence, than you might wonder why he didn't shy away from fights more. I think he just fought when the situation called for it. Would you start coming up with an ism when your (girl)friend/colleague is being strangled by a burglar? Or what if you're in a restaurant and they say you got a telephone call in the back and you're about the jumped by four construction workers? That and plenty other of moments where a good fight seems in place. But like I said, sometimes there is no other option. I think the biggest one that usually isn't there is time.

But now back to the trailer. Of course it's being booed in the comments and quite frankly I still understand even though I'm coming around. The new logo seems good, using the SAK as a 'V' is a nice touch. Maybe there is something in it after all. The only thing I don't understand is, while this seems good enough, they want to start over? Why bother releasing the trailer than? It already seems better than expected in my opinion.

And why does Lincoln remind me of Dominic Purcell? Because he played Lincoln in Prison Break and this guy looks like him?

 
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Trailer is ok. Certainly not the direction i would have taken it if i was in the director's chairs.

I honestly dont see this show hitting the mark. Looks and feels a little like Human Target. And there will probably be a team. No lone man.

Is it all bad? No. Obviously not. But i didnt get that feeling i got when i saw the trailer to the original over 30 years ago.

 
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I thought the trailer looked pretty good, but judging by the comments on YouTube, this show won't last long. It seems people really don't like it! Yikes.

 
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My comments... I love the trailer but there are things I dislike so I figure I will split it up in terms of three things, things I love, things I don't like, and things the don't bother me yet everyone else hates for some reason....

Let's start with what I don't like
1. The music for the trailer: even the horrible ghostbusters trailer had the classic theme sort of... The lack of good Macgyver music or even generic espionage music kind of bugs me slightly. My hope is with Peter (from Hawaii 5-0) the theme will return similar to Hawaii 5-0

2. He doesn't introduce himself: a minor complaint but "Hi Name's Macgver" to me is right up there with "I'm Batman" and "My Name's Bond James Bond" not that I want him to constantly introduce himself but like I said its minor but I want to hear Till say the classic line

3. No mention of his grandfather?: again a minor complaint the line "my father always said every thing I need is right in front of me" bothers me slightly as In the original it was always his grandfather that tought him things now mind you its just the pilot all scenes are from but I hope later on Mac's grandfather is introduced (and maybe even played by Richard Dean Anderson)

Things that don't bother me but every else doesn't like

1. His hair: shrugs it just doesn't bother me at all I know a lot of people say it's too long but the mullet wasn't going to come back and Mac with really short hair is well odd same with Bond having really long hair.... So for the first season I am fine with it

2. The bow and arrow: I am siding with Rdolev here. Again I see no difference beteween the bow and arrow and the bomb and vent in both instances it is clear to me at least Mac is trying to stop the bad guys from escaping and well he does a good job of it. Kiwi I am sorry you don't like it and I do hope the rest of the show you and everyone here likes as well come on its new Macgyver lets be happy about this

3. Friday night time slot: shrugs who cares in this day of TiVo and prerecording television and enjoying it when we want I just don't see Friday night as a death toll as many others do.

Things I love

1. Lucas Till as Macgyver: I love it!!! This is fantastic casting he really feels like a younger version of RDA and I am so happy about it. I don't know how Winkler casted the role perfectly three times but wow

2. The last line of the trailer: the bubblegum and q-tip thing was awesome and funny

3. Pretty much all of the macgyverism and the locations feel spot on smile.gif


Over all I am quite happy

 
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I am a little confused. If the pilot is going to be reshot, then why are we seeing a trailer to the original?

 
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QUOTE (denizen @ 19 May 2016 - 01:44 PM)
I am a little confused. If the pilot is going to be reshot, then why are we seeing a trailer to the original?

Maybe CBS wanted to give a taste of the new MacGyver at their presentation ?! Just a guess wink.gif

 
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I think the plot points in the pilot will remain (Mac being captured by terrorists breaking out joining either the DXS or Phonex foundation etc) however certain things will be changed as well.

 
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