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Posted: 12 August 2016 - 07:57 AM                                    
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I was trying to see if someone had started this discussion elsewhere, didn't find it.

I'm kind of glad he decided not to participate. I don't understand his rationale, though..... It's kind of "wordy" like he isn't sure how to say it.....

I think it would be just kind of..... weird.......

I notice that they are reproducing the "Explosion" but kind of making it a little different.....

And the airplane thing..... that was done in one of the RDA episodes, forgot which one, but I remember RDA hanging from an airplane.....


 
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Nobody has started a thread yet, but it was mentioned in the "Production Begins" thread.

A lot of us feel RDA's statement was a little weird, but we respect his decision. It's possible he knows something we don't, or may just feel they want him involved only to bring in the fans that refuse to give the reboot a chance.

It seems he may just be looking out for his fans that have been so loyal to him over the years... but it could also be that he may just not want to do it. He is retired after all.

In any case, I do think convincing fans, or tricking fans, into watching something they don't want to watch goes against the very spirit of MacGyver. The show should be able to hold it's own without RDA, and this is it's chance to do so.

 
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His explanation struck me as very odd at the time. I certainly don't think he NEEDS to be part of the show, and honestly, if he had just said, "Thanks, but I'm enjoying retirement too much," I wouldn't have any issue with it whatsoever. They way he did it, though, felt slightly unprofessional to me, since he was basically bad-mouthing a show that, as far as I know, he couldn't have seen yet. (I wonder how he would have felt if Kurt Russell had publicly bad-mouthed Stargate SG-1 before the first episode even finished filming....)

Still, I suspect his decision may have come from seeing how some diehard Mac fans were acting about the reboot. I look around social media, and I see many fans acting as if this reboot is practically blasphemous, so perhaps that's what RDA was responding to (in other words, he wasn't really opposed to the show itself, exactly, but since he saw that his fans weren't in favor of it, he decided to steer clear.)

Frankly, I think his appearance on the show might have been a bit distracting, and could have overshadowed Lucas (especially early in the series when Lucas is still trying to convince people that HE'S MacGyver now), so maybe it's all for the best.

 
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Frankly, I think his appearance on the show might have been a bit distracting, and could have overshadowed Lucas (especially early in the series when Lucas is still trying to convince people that HE'S MacGyver now), so maybe it's all for the best.


That's kind of what I was thinking...... Let Lucas Till be MacGyver now....... Although I hate reboots as it shows no sense of creativity, I am still excited about this one.

I hope they keep the spirit of the original show.

My only concern is RDA was in his 30's when he did the show. Lucas Till looks 20 something...... I'm not sure he'll be taken seriously.........

And, George Eads is a bit.... um.... "old" to be MacGyver's friend unless the relationship is going to be different...... But I think George Eads can make the part work....... Love the shaved head idea. Puts a new spin on Jack Dalton. But I still expect "Jack Dalton" and the schemes.....


 
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QUOTE (DXS @ 13 August 2016 - 11:34 AM)
My only concern is RDA was in his 30's when he did the show. Lucas Till looks 20 something...... I'm not sure he'll be taken seriously.........

This MacGyver is meant to be younger. He's in his 20's in this series.


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Puts a new spin on Jack Dalton.  But I still expect "Jack Dalton" and the schemes.....

You're going to be sadly disappointed I think.

This Jack is ex CIA gun toting conspiracy theorist. It's Jack Dalton in name only. mad.gif


 
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Lucas Till is 25 actually.

If you really want to see a contrast in personality, watch Partners. MacGyver was only supposed to be about 28/29 years old when he met Pete Thornton and started his career. His personality during that time frame is VERY different, as he wasn't cocky at all. In fact, he was the polar opposite. But, I'm hoping that's just because we haven't seen the whole pilot yet.

 
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When's the last time he acted? I mean, he's a hockey play, right? Nothing worse in hockey than having an over-aged journeyman reenter the league when he's clearly over-the-hill ... 'cause that's all anyone will ever remember. It happens. This isn't a theatrical curtain call, so no need for an RDA peep show - go out @ the top of your game, with your hair on fire, and never look back!!!! biggrin.gif

 
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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 14 August 2016 - 01:39 PM)
When's the last time he acted?

I remember he did a brief guest spot on some prime time crime show a couple of years ago, but I can't remember what show it was. I'm sure somebody here remembers. I just remember the main character in the show was female... at least, I think I remember that. Anyone?

EDIT: It was "Dont' Trust The B___ in Apt. 23". Found it on IMDB. 2013

 
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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 13 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)
Lucas Till is 25 actually.

If you really want to see a contrast in personality, watch Partners. MacGyver was only supposed to be about 28/29 years old when he met Pete Thornton and started his career. His personality during that time frame is VERY different, as he wasn't cocky at all. In fact, he was the polar opposite. But, I'm hoping that's just because we haven't seen the whole pilot yet.

To be fair, Partners wasn't exactly consistent with what had been established in season 1 anyway. Mac said he saved Pete from quicksand when he first met him, then Partners showed them meeting in Los Angeles while Pete was trying to bust Murdoc. Other than that, Mac's personality had changed between the first and second seasons, and his portrayal in Partners was based on how he was being portrayed in season 2, even though it was supposed to be 7 years ago.

 
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I thought again about him declining a participation after the TCA panel.

We all kind of agreed that his statement was a bit harsh back then and would have made more sense with the Unaired Pilot Trailer. They made many changes since then, but now that Lenkov has said at the TCAs that they had already created a specific role for him, and RDA still thinks that after all the overhauling of the personnel involved in the reboot the show doesn't honor the original character, I wonder...

 
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I can't help wondering if his decision has come solely from certain people telling him "your fans hate it. Don't do it"..... or if it's really just an excuse he's using because he likes being retired and really doesn't want to do TV any more - who can blame him for that?



 
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The next time RDA is at a panel or convention, this could be question to raise.

 
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 13 August 2016 - 06:18 PM)
QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 14 August 2016 - 01:39 PM)
When's the last time he acted?

I remember he did a brief guest spot on some prime time crime show a couple of years ago, but I can't remember what show it was. I'm sure somebody here remembers. I just remember the main character in the show was female... at least, I think I remember that. Anyone?

EDIT: It was "Dont' Trust The B___ in Apt. 23". Found it on IMDB. 2013


It was "Fairly Legal". But RDA was small part of it. Important but small, as far I remember.

 
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QUOTE (MacDobromir @ 15 August 2016 - 08:49 PM)
QUOTE (Miasma @ 13 August 2016 - 06:18 PM)
QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 14 August 2016 - 01:39 PM)
When's the last time he acted?

I remember he did a brief guest spot on some prime time crime show a couple of years ago, but I can't remember what show it was. I'm sure somebody here remembers. I just remember the main character in the show was female... at least, I think I remember that. Anyone?

EDIT: It was "Dont' Trust The B___ in Apt. 23". Found it on IMDB. 2013


It was "Fairly Legal". But RDA was small part of it. Important but small, as far I remember.

Thanks! You're right, that's the one I was thinking of. That was 2011.
But I also see him listed for "Don't Trust The B___ In Apt. 23," in 2013.


 
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Really? Is this real?

In a statement made through his website dated July 25 he wrote...



"I'm not considering being a part of a project that has overlooked the insanely LOYAL FANS of the original character and has proceeded without considering how and why they all became and STAYED loyal fans...

Yes, I was asked, but no, I won't be involved in the MacGyver reboot. I have tried to recognize that there really is a balance to be found here. Hence, my loyalty to my fans."



 
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QUOTE (Drawz @ 30 August 2016 - 07:32 PM)
Really? Is this real?

In a statement made through his website dated July 25 he wrote...



"I'm not considering being a part of a project that has overlooked the insanely LOYAL FANS of the original character and has proceeded without considering how and why they all became and STAYED loyal fans...

Yes, I was asked, but no, I won't be involved in the MacGyver reboot. I have tried to recognize that there really is a balance to be found here. Hence, my loyalty to my fans."

 
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That's his choice. I don't mean he's right ( Ok. I think he is). And there's nothing unprofessional about that .Some people who took part in the original show accepted to change MANY THINGS. They are to blame .They just want to make money out of it ,very sad ...
As for the actor's charisma hmm.bmp ,come on...

 
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QUOTE (tvero @ 1 September 2016 - 12:46 AM)
Some people who took part in the original show accepted to change MANY THINGS. They are to blame .

I'm not sure what you mean. Who are you referring to, and what are we supposed to blame them for?

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They just want to make money out of it ,very sad ...

Well, EVERY tv show wants to make money. As long as they make a quality show, I don't see a problem with it.

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As for the actor's charisma hmm.bmp ,come on...

??

 
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You want names? Ok. Henry Winkler, Lee David Zlotoff .They should have defended the original show/character ...they didn't .YES , they just want to make money . It's sad ...to me this is betrayal .

And the 'baby' they have found to play the new MacGyver ...so full of himself ...this is all wrong. THIS IS NOT MACGYVER (my opinion shared by many others).

 
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I do understand your point of view, in fact Zlotoff did several attempts to merchandise Macgyver as a product, (comic book, university auditions, etc) which were good and did not interfere with the original series, but now we have a new production team working full time for a tv show that only God knows how it will work--

RDA was right, in his interviews he always feels glad to talk about Mac and the memories of the show, even if just was a character, I strongly believe he feels proud of his part in the series and obviously even if had more shows/movies, people usually relate him with Macgyver.

As most of you know, every show is created to generate profit, sometimes they provide us entertainment and sometimes we relate ourselves with the characters, in my personal case Magyver has inspired me in a lot of aspects of my life, Im sure RDA was the main driver that created such an ingenues hero. So i just wish that the new show stand by its own and bring new ideas instead of trying to replicate what was done 30 years ago.

 
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I have stated before and I say it again. MacGyver 2016 will never be MacGyver 1985. But it could be fun. They are at least trying to implement familiarity with the original to which I applaud them. It could have been MUCH worse. But with the hype they're investing in it is grounds to give it a go.

 
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In total we have probably seen about 2 minutes of footage and that definitely isn't enough to make a considered judgment on a new show. That's like deciding if you like a house just by looking through the front door.

Lets at least watch a few episodes to see how it all fits together and get a feel for how the characters are presented AND THEN decide if we like it.

 
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Don't get me wrong. I 'm not against the fact that they wanted to create a new show .I'm against the fact that they picked up an iconic and unique character and turned him into a far less original one (apparently).Why keep the name "MacGyver" if it has no (not many) connection(s) with the original one ?
MacGyver is special and from what I saw ,they didn't realize it. The first MacGyver was 'brand new' and 'fresh' (actors, producers),this one isn't. Calculated...but maybe not successful.
Let's wait and see.smile.gif

 
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QUOTE (tvero @ 6 September 2016 - 03:51 AM)
MacGyver is special and from what I saw ,they didn't realize it.

Well said

 
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QUOTE (tvero @ 6 September 2016 - 11:51 PM)
I'm against the fact that they picked up an iconic and unique character and turned him into a far less original one (apparently).Why keep the name "MacGyver" if it has no (not many) connection(s) with the original one ?

The main thing that made MacGyver original was his use of MacGyverisms rather than using a gun. From everything we've heard, it sounds like they're keeping that element. Heck, it sounds like they'll actually be doing it more than the original show did. By the later seasons of the original series, there were times when he did maybe ONE little MacGyverism per episode, while show is promising about eight per episode.

As for the other aspects of his personality that made him original, we simply don't know at this point. As Kiwitek said, we've seen about 2 minutes of footage, and naturally those two minutes were focused purely on action since they needed to grab the audience's attention. We haven't even seen one full conversation.

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MacGyver is special and from what I saw ,they didn't realize it.

Again, though: You've seen only two minutes (I'm assuming.)

Also, I think what a lot of people chalk up to "special" is actually nostalgia. The original series was fun, definitely, but my attachment to it really comes from the fact that I grew up with it, so when I see it now, it brings back my childhood, making it special.

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The first MacGyver was 'brand new' and 'fresh' (actors, producers),this one isn't. Calculated...but maybe not successful.

Lucas Till is pretty "fresh" actually. I hadn't even heard of him before we all started talking about this. It's not as if he's been in the starring role of any other major tv series. As far as I know George Eads is the only actor in the main cast who has had a starring role in a long running, successful series before this. As for the producers, I don't really see what advantage there is to having inexperienced people, so I don't see any problem there.
(Actually, looking back at season 1 of the original series, it might have helped if RDA hadn't been quite so 'fresh.' His acting was a bit dodgy for a while, and he even admits that.)

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Let's wait and see.smile.gif

Exactly. Look, I haven't been thrilled with everything I've seen so far, but I want to keep an open mind about this, and remain optimistic. The show WILL be different, no doubt. It NEEDS to be different, because as much as we all loved the original show in the 80s, a show like that wouldn't really stand up in today's world. Standards have gone up. Audiences expect more now. Let's hope this new MacGyver can live up to those standards. And if it doesn't, no big deal. It will disappear, and the original series will still be available to watch whenever we want.

 
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QUOTE (tvero @ 6 September 2016 - 03:51 AM)
I'm against the fact that they picked up an iconic and unique character and turned him into a far less original one (apparently).Why keep the name "MacGyver" if it has no (not many) connection(s) with the original one ?



I think tvero that "MacGyver" means something different for different people.

For some fans "MacGyver" is equal to RDA.Obviously You cannot pleased that kind o people by making reboot with different actor.
For some others "MacGyver" means a lot of "macgyverism". There will be plenty of that according to Lenkov (And I hope more realistic than some from the original).

For some it means humble creative guy who is trying to save the World, etc,
and more, and more....

So many fans, and so many pictures of "Macgyver", We can choose, but it is really hard to choose which one is THE ORIGINAL.

There will be always some elements that we will love, like or hate in this reboot.

But as many of You just put this before - Let's wait and see wink.gif

 
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Posted: 26 September 2016 - 02:54 PM                                    
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Interview from Gatecon 2 weeks ago: http://wormholeriders.net/stargate/?p=28312

RDA talks again about the Reboot at around 20 minutes in.

 
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Posted: 27 September 2016 - 05:06 AM                                    
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I think RDA has some good points. MacGyver did perfectly belong in the 80's. When I re-watched it back in 2012, it was out of nostalgia. My life was such a mess, I just wanted to feel like a kid again. Not only did it do that, but it was like "comfort food" television. lol I actually felt better after watching an episode.

How it did that, I have no clue... I'm still trying to figure that out. XD

 
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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 28 September 2016 - 01:06 AM)
I think RDA has some good points.  MacGyver did perfectly belong in the 80's.  When I re-watched it back in 2012, it was out of nostalgia.  My life was such a mess, I just wanted to feel like a kid again.  Not only did it do that, but it was like "comfort food" television. lol  I actually felt better after watching an episode.

How it did that, I have no clue... I'm still trying to figure that out. XD

You don't have to feel guilty about it. We needed (male) models when we were younger . Things are different now (we know them with their faults ...and ours ).But Mac (1985...) will remain our model. This new Mac won't, no way.

 
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straight answer from the real man! thx DashboardOnFire, finally I understand this video was worth watching.

Objectively speaking, they created the 1st version of the Pilot episode but it was not well received but some fans so they decided to recreate the episode, just wondering at what point did they try to contact RDA as he indicated it was a little too late, seems they noticed some issues or future issues, so they tried to get the original actor-

 
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