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Posted: 24 September 2016 - 06:35 AM                                    
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I loved it. as did my parents my wife who hated the original doesnt like this one but knows she married me and has no choice ( hey i suffer through teen Mom teen Mom OG and my big fat faboulous life she can sit through Macgyver)

I felt like something was off with the first episode but I can't put my finger on it


anyways

Lets get the negatives out of the way

1. Wiltz Bowzer: why is he there and why is he in the show. He felt like a studio note tacked on character and just felt well weak.

2. I didn't mind the team element but why was Riley even there 95% of the mission was Mac and Jack anyways

3. Eads is a good Dalton and does have a lot of the playfullnes of the original but I miss the trademark Exactly and I hope on 1 mission Eads' Dalton drags mac on a wild goose chase to find treasure is that too much to ask.

4. Minor thing I don't like the fact we got the first name right off the bat of Macgyver we know his name is angus can we move on.

5. I was kind of hoping the transition from DXS to Phoenx Foundation would be a full season or 2 not just 1 episode..

On the postives

1. Lucas Till is Macgyver Everything I wanted from him I got the humanity the ingenuity the fact that he would love to live a normal life but he knows only he can do what he can do.

2. Nikki Carpenter: ok this is controversial but I buy her as the bad guy sure they used the Ra'z Al ghul mentality which Mac sees through but in the original show Nikki and Mac had very different viewpoints she was miss buracracy and Mac well hated Buracracy so the idea that an orgnizqation can convince (and bribe) Nikki to betraying Mac for the "greater good' I buy and actually kind of like. I am curious to see who she is really working for (my guess is Hit) and how her role will impact Mac throughout the season

3. the music: after the trailers kept using garbage music the fact that Dalton listens to classic rock while flying similar to his older counter part and for the most part we got good orchestral music made me happy and I love the new theme so sue me

4. Patricia Thorton: I like her she does embody element of Pete and there is an underlying aspect of respect and knowing to trust Mac even though she doesn't full understand what he will do

5. the voiceovers: good god I love the voice overs so much i felt like a 7 year old kid again.

6. the Macgyverisms: Loved every single one of them

overall I loved the show but realize it's a pilot as long as Bowzer is shown less and less and jack gets a few more of the original characters trademarks I may like this season more then some seasons of the orginal series (yeah finding a great episode from season 6 is tough man they zapped the espionage out of the show and replaced it with PSA even the Wall feels more PSA mac then Espionage Mac)

 
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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 24 September 2016 - 10:32 AM)
SpoilerTV just posted the first early ratings: http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/09/ratings-n...ember-2016.html

I don't know ANYTHING about ratings, but MacGyver has the highest number... that's good, right?

sorry to double post but that is fantasic hope those numbers remain throughout the season.

 
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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 24 September 2016 - 08:15 AM)
Gah! The pilot has my feelings all over the place! I think I need to ponder over it for a while before writing some more and discussing it... there is stuff I didn't like at all, but overall I liked the episode.

It's not perfect, but it's MacGyver! And it got people talking about it! When was the last time MacGyver trended on Twitter? Probably... never, I guess. But it trended last night and that's amazing!

I with you on that one Dash. I have a lot of mixed feelings, and I'm not really sure how to put it in words.

But, so far, it's only been one episode, and this one seems a bit rushed. Once the cast gets a bit more comfortable, maybe we'll see a bit more "fun" out of it.

I think it would be wise to give it a few more episodes...

It's almost like meeting someone for the first time, and it was kind of uncomfortable, and you're not really sure how to react to that person yet. wink.gif That's the best way I can describe my feelings on it.

 
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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 24 September 2016 - 04:44 PM)
But, so far, it's only been one episode, and this one seems a bit rushed.

I think it would be wise to give it a few more episodes...

Right now, it feels like a love-hate-relationship *lol*. It's so bad and yet so good! Even when I was shouting mentally at that stupid-looking CGI-Explosion, I was grinning like a fool; because it's MacGyver!

The stuff I really didn't like mostly has to do with the fast and shaky camera movements and the fast pacing (but I never like that anyway), the music, some bad CGI and the use of Jack Dalton (I might write some more about that later).

So it definitely isn't perfect, but the pilot of the original show wasn't either. Also, it's really not as bad as I feared after reading so many negative reviews.

I guess the episode WAS rushed - I mean, they realized in April or May that the pilot is being scrapped and that they have to write and film a complete new episode with complete new locations, a new team and hire a new crew...

I think ratings-wise, the second episode will be more important. Many tune in for a pilot, but the ratings of the second episode may decide if a show is cancelled or not. It definitely has potential! So far, it feels a bit more like Bond or Bourne than MacGyver. Sadly, they're already shooting Episode 6, but I guess they still can change some things around. I'd like to see a second season so they can clean it up and make it better.

 
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that's pretty cool... here are all the numbers via http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/09/ratings-n...ember-2016.html



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now that the first episode has aired I have my own perception: This is not Mac, the show should be called Team Macgyver, I did not see any new macgyverisms and if recall correctly, all of them were already shown in the original series (i might be wrong) My biggest complain is the voice of the new Mac, as he doesn't sound as good as other ppl voices (it may be a Lucas Till thing) not sure if I'm the only one complaining but his voice is terrible. I praised the fact that you could hear him in the background just like the old show, but for me it was not realistic and well not sure a way to improve it- despite all the reviews and comments here and there, I feel that they didn't do such a great job, the special effects aren't good enough.

The ending was just.... can't say much regarding the beer thing but regarding PF, they came up with that name by having a drink- so why the producers don't drink the same beer, they could come up with new ideas. huh.gif

 
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Saw the double cross coming a mile away. Disappointing plot. Gratuitous and cheaply executed effects. Mac has a horrible over-confident attitude. Jack is the bad ass muscle character?!??! Hoping this season moves in a different direction.

 
                                                                     
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Soooo, this is weird. Part of me is screaming THIS IS NOT MACGYVER, but the other half didn't think it was so bad. I can't really put my feelings into words yet as my brain is still processing it, but it will never, in my head at least, surpass the original. Here are a few of my thoughts:

Opening title and music - it somehow did the original justice, so I was happy with this. Also liked the incidental music and rock in the helicopter scene rather than the ghastly hip hop used in the promos.

Jack Dalton - I HATED the idea of Eads in this role, and didn't think it would work one bit, but HE IS mischevious, playful and cheeky like the original. He flies and has a good knowledge of aircraft. The only real difference is the moustache and he seems to like guns a whole lot more...all in all, shocked that I like him.

Thornton - Sorry folks, but I HATE this version of the character. Pete was a best friend, a father figure, and a boss to Mac. I can't stand this female version, and no amount of watching the show progress will change that. sad.gif Thumbs down on that one.

Bozer - Sorry again, but all I kept asking myself in his scenes was how quickly he would bugger off! He's pointless, and annoying, and I hope we don't get a lot of him.

Mac - Lucas wasn't a bad MacGyver, and with all the shoutouts to the original it should work, but somehow he just doesn't have the presence of RDA to turn the character into something special - at least, not yet. It's early days for Till, and we do have to give him time to sink into the role and find himself, so the jury is out on that one. Not a bad first effort, not an amazing one.

Voiceovers - really like them, BUT, do we really need to have the onscreen text prompts as well? I found those a bit annoying - they reminded me of the on screen text scenes in "Sherlock" telling us what's in the character's head. They just distract me. Just do the voiceover, and let us see what is happening by not rushing the scene so much that if I sneeze I'll miss it!

Plot - Well, it was a bit daft and a bit thin and the whole Nikki thing was obvious blah blah, but then, the original show was like that. This is MacGyver, and its mostly a fun ride, we're not supposed to be Einstein, after all.

All in all, not amazing, not bad, but hopefully a work in progress that will improve as the writers and crew find their feet and what the viewers want.

I don't think RDA has anything to worry about though, I think the Mac crown is always going to be his (at least in my head)

Will I watch again? Bottom line, yes, if I get the chance!

 
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It’s hard not to compare this new MacGyver to the original, I think I would enjoy it more if I never had watched the original one. MacG.gif
I think they are trying to appeal to a new generation of viewers, as for this old fan, I still have a kick out of watching the old guys.
Sorry “new guys”, you have some pretty enormous shoes to fill, good effort though. happy.gif


 
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Hihi, RDA's daughter is retweeting the MacGyver writers... guess she is watching, too? happy.gif

I'm curious what she thinks of this...

 
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If she is like me, its too early to really tell! I bet its even weirder for her, being brought up with "Mac" and now seeing the new version, because really the new one is more her "era". RDA is still my Mac, though. tongue.gif

Of course, there is no reason why I can't watch the new one as well. smile.gif

 
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QUOTE (MacsJeep @ 24 September 2016 - 11:07 PM)
I bet its even weirder for her, being brought up with "Mac" and now seeing the new version, because really the new one is more her "era".

Also, she's now able to have a crush on MacGyver laugh.gif

 
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LOL... and that's really the point isn't it wink.gif

 
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QUOTE (MacsJeep @ 25 September 2016 - 09:07 AM)
If she is like me, its too early to really tell! I bet its even weirder for her, being brought up with "Mac" and now seeing the new version, because really the new one is more her "era". RDA is still my Mac, though. tongue.gif

Of course, there is no reason why I can't watch the new one as well. smile.gif

Went over to Twitter... Didn't see anything from Wylie... am I missing something?

 
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CBS... Highest rated show in time slot!

MacGyver Debuts To 11-Year Ratings High In Time SlotMacGyver Debuts To 11-Year Ratings High In Time Slot

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It seems CBS has another hit on its hands, courtesy of their anticipated MacGyver reboot starring Lucas Till in the title role.

The premiere episode debuted on Friday and drew 10.9 million total viewers with a 1.7 in the demo (via TV Line). That easily surpasses the previous owner of MacGyver's timeslot, The Amazing Race, which a year ago brought in 5.8 million viewers and held a 1.2 in the demo. In fact, that performance gave CBS an 11 year high for audience turnout in that leadoff spot, which was held previously by The Ghost Whisperer. It also gave the network it's highest demo numbers ever since Undercover Boss took top honors 4 years ago.


That's impressive, but it will be interesting to see how much of the audience stays around for the second and third episodes. MacGyver also beat out Fox's reboot of Lethal Weapon, which still impressed with 7.9 million and a 2.2 in the demo.

A reimagining of the classic series, is an action-adventure drama about 20-something Angus "Mac" MacGyver, who creates the Department of External Services (DXS), a clandestine organization within the U.S. government where he uses his extraordinary talent for unconventional problem-solving and vast scientific knowledge to save lives. Joining his team on high-risk missions around the globe is maverick former CIA agent Jack Dalton; Patricia Thornton, an ex-field agent turned director of operations; and Riley Davis, an unpredictable computer hacker with a chip on her shoulder. At home, MacGyver is entertained by his ambitious roommate, Wilt Bozer. Under the aegis of the Department of External Services, MacGyver takes on the responsibility of saving the world, armed to the teeth with resourcefulness and little more than bubble gum and a paper clip.

MacGyver airs on Fridays on CBS.



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QUOTE (Mac2Nite @ 25 September 2016 - 12:08 AM)
Went over to Twitter... Didn't see anything from Wylie... am I missing something?

She didn't tweet anything herself, but she retweeted about 12 tweets about the reboot; 2 of them from Lucas Till and several from the Script Writers... thought that was interesting.

 
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QUOTE (Mac2Nite @ 24 September 2016 - 06:41 PM)
CBS... Highest rated show in time slot!

MacGyver Debuts To 11-Year Ratings High In Time SlotMacGyver Debuts To 11-Year Ratings High In Time Slot

Matthew Mueller
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It seems CBS has another hit on its hands, courtesy of their anticipated MacGyver reboot starring Lucas Till in the title role.

The premiere episode debuted on Friday and drew 10.9 million total viewers with a 1.7 in the demo (via TV Line). That easily surpasses the previous owner of MacGyver's timeslot, The Amazing Race, which a year ago brought in 5.8 million viewers and held a 1.2 in the demo. In fact, that performance gave CBS an 11 year high for audience turnout in that leadoff spot, which was held previously by The Ghost Whisperer. It also gave the network it's highest demo numbers ever since Undercover Boss took top honors 4 years ago.


That's impressive, but it will be interesting to see how much of the audience stays around for the second and third episodes. MacGyver also beat out Fox's reboot of Lethal Weapon, which still impressed with 7.9 million and a 2.2 in the demo.

A reimagining of the classic series, is an action-adventure drama about 20-something Angus "Mac" MacGyver, who creates the Department of External Services (DXS), a clandestine organization within the U.S. government where he uses his extraordinary talent for unconventional problem-solving and vast scientific knowledge to save lives. Joining his team on high-risk missions around the globe is maverick former CIA agent Jack Dalton; Patricia Thornton, an ex-field agent turned director of operations; and Riley Davis, an unpredictable computer hacker with a chip on her shoulder. At home, MacGyver is entertained by his ambitious roommate, Wilt Bozer. Under the aegis of the Department of External Services, MacGyver takes on the responsibility of saving the world, armed to the teeth with resourcefulness and little more than bubble gum and a paper clip.

MacGyver airs on Fridays on CBS.



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It's a bit premature to be calling MacGyver a hit based on the ratings of a very highly publicized and controversial pilot episode.

It was always going to be a highly watched premiere just because of all that controversy. They wont know true ratings until after the first few episodes have played and the regular audience has established itself.
The reports so far seem to have a fairly even split of likes and haters so you would think that the ratings will drop by around half once all those haters move on, although I suppose some will stay just so they can continue to complain about it each week hmm.bmp


 
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I found it highly entertaining. Will keep watching

 
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QUOTE (Mac2Nite @ 25 September 2016 - 12:47 AM)
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Plot Twist: They're dating and Daddy can't say much about it roller.gif

I'm still hoping for RDA to play Murdoc *lol*; Peter Lenkov but that idea into my mind since he said he has a specific role for RDA...

 
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I love all the headlines in my Twitter Timeline like "MacGyver beats The Exorcist"... haven't seen THAT episode yet laugh.gif

 
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QUOTE (MacsJeep @ 24 September 2016 - 05:07 PM)
If she is like me, its too early to really tell! I bet its even weirder for her, being brought up with "Mac" and now seeing the new version

She wasn't brought up on Mac. She was born during the StarGate era. wink.gif




 
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Hope Daddy approves wink.gif

Plot Twist: They're dating and Daddy can't say much about it roller.gif

I'm still hoping for RDA to play Murdoc *lol*; Peter Lenkov but that idea into my mind since he said he has a specific role for RDA...

OMG!! Imagine Willie bringing Lucas home as he boyfriend! roller.gif

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QUOTE (Walter @ 24 September 2016 - 07:27 PM)
QUOTE (MacsJeep @ 24 September 2016 - 05:07 PM)
If she is like me, its too early to really tell! I bet its even weirder for her, being brought up with "Mac" and now seeing the new version

She wasn't brought up on Mac. She was born during the StarGate era. wink.gif

Actually, RDA himself mentioned in an interview that Wylie enjoyed watching MacGyver when she was little. wink.gif

 
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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 24 September 2016 - 09:43 PM)
QUOTE (Walter @ 24 September 2016 - 07:27 PM)
QUOTE (MacsJeep @ 24 September 2016 - 05:07 PM)
If she is like me, its too early to really tell! I bet its even weirder for her, being brought up with "Mac" and now seeing the new version

She wasn't brought up on Mac. She was born during the StarGate era. wink.gif

Actually, RDA himself mentioned in an interview that Wylie enjoyed watching MacGyver when she was little. wink.gif

Yeah wasn't there a story about how she first found MacGyver while RDA and her were channel surfing one night/day and there was an episode playing on won of the channels?

I wonder if she recognized him and wanted to see what it was or if he stopped to watch it for a bit of nostalgia - maybe just trying to place the episode and a "Oh I remember filming that scene" type thing.





 
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QUOTE (Walter @ 25 September 2016 - 12:27 PM)
QUOTE (MacsJeep @ 24 September 2016 - 05:07 PM)
If she is like me, its too early to really tell! I bet its even weirder for her, being brought up with "Mac" and now seeing the new version

She wasn't brought up on Mac. She was born during the StarGate era. wink.gif

I meant as in having RDA as a father, that's why I put Mac like so "Mac". wink.gif

Still not sure how I felt about it after sleeping on it. The whole team thing is going to get on my nerves after awhile, I think. I hope they do some lone wolf episodes, or I may get bored of George trying to steal the show.

I hope we get some "none espionage" plots too. While I liked the early seasons of the original, I also liked the unpredictability of it. You never were sure what he was going to be up to - as long as its not preachy!

I still can't think of this as MacGyver yet, maybe I never will. My mother, a staunch fan of the original hates it lol!

 
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I hope they do some lone wolf episodes, or I may get bored of George trying to steal the show.

I guess showing a kid some MacGyver episodes was easier (and probably happened earlier) then Stargate episodes - just because of the gun and violence aspect?

The use of Jack Dalton is one problem I have. From a production stand point, bringin in Jack as the character he is is kinda brilliant. It means more action. And George is a delight to watch; I think he's doing a brilliant job portraying a guy that's kind of smarmy and difficult to handle yet so likeable. But it's also an easy and lazy way what they're using him for.

Because bringing Jack in as a gun-wielding CIA- and military guy makes MacGyvers unique way of problem solving void. If Mac can't do it, there's always Jack who can get him out while using a gun. So in the end, Mac doesn't really manage to solve the problem without guns (and unnecessary violence).

Remember "Halloween Knights" - it would have been an easy and lazy way for the writers to let Murdoc bring out the knife, the gun or a mine right at the beginning. But MacGyver made it a deal - no guns or I don't help you. It was the core of the show to catch the bad guys without the help of guns and bombs (or only for using it as distractions).

That's exactly what the writers have to be careful about - they're erasing the core point of the no-guns-policy by MacGyver traipsing around without a gun, yet there is Jack 2 metres behind him wielding one; having to save Mac more than once by shooting bad guys. In that aspect, MacGyver could just let Jack enter first while hiding behind him...

 
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The show has potential, but there's a number of targets which have been well and truly missed by the producers. Having said that Most of the things I don't like about this show are more production related rather than MacGyver related (at the moment), which is actually a better result than I was expecting.

My biggest issue is with how everything was so rushed. The MacGyverisms were over and done with before you had time to even read the on-screen descriptions explaining what he was doing - which I thought were unnecessary - they may have seemed like a good idea on paper, but in execution they're just distracting and a little bit silly. The story felt shallow much of the time, like things needed more in depth explanation but was just rushed through instead and we're left with situations we don't really understand or don't have enough relevance for us to care about.

The shaky camera certainly doesn't add anything either and made some scenes practically unwatchable at times. I actually found myself looking away in one scene because of it.

I was surprised at how well the team approach worked, although thinking back on the original MacGyver many of the best episodes were team efforts with Pete, Jack, Nikki, Penny, etc so it probably shouldn't' be that surprising, unlike Jack Dalton, which I have had reservations about from the get-go, but surprisingly found entertaining and a lot more similar to the original Jack than I expected although it doesn't fit that MacGyver would allow Jack to use a gun. MacGyver hates violence and always went out of his way to show those who would us it that there's "always another option" so having armed backup just isn't MacGyver in any way shape or form.

MacGyver himself (Lucas) was OK and I think after some adjustment time we'll be able to see him as MacGyver just fine. However MacGyver cussing and being sexed up is not what I personally want to see and I think the producers may have missed a mark with that although there is an even bigger mark missed with the MacGyverisms...

This MacGyver goes into a situation already with an idea of what he's going to do and proceeds to look for the tools/resources he needs to do THAT idea. The original MacGyver went into a situation looked at what was available and THEN came up with a plan on how to use those items.
In fact that's why the finger print didn't work in this episode. MacGyver 2.0 went in with a plan already in his head and then found the situation was different. If he had just gone in and seen what the situation was and THEN made his plan on what to do he would have immediately gone for the wall plaster. This REALLY needs to change, otherwise it's just Mission Impossible.


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