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Did anyone else catch that the DXS used a cover of being a Think Tank? I thought that was a cool idea. I'm guessing the Phoenix Foundation will also use that cover. Great way to cover both bases.

 
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I miss the intro to the original already. Honestly it felt more like a cheap knock off of "Burn Notice" than a proper "MacGyver". I know some people thought the original "Jack Dalton" was an ass, but he was a lovable ass that helped add some comedy to the stressful situations he usually got Mac into. I was really hoping that this was going to be set up as a sort of sequel/continuation of the original with this "Mac" being the original character's son, that would have made the differences between the original series and this version work much better, in my opinion. I am glad that Mac's little science lessons seem to have been kept, I always loved hearing the explanation for why what he was doing does what it does. It doesn't seem like it's going to be as good as the original, but so far it's good enough that I'll keep watching and give it a proper chance.

 
                                                                     
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QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 25 September 2016 - 10:15 PM)
thinking back on the original MacGyver many of the best episodes were team efforts with Pete, Jack, Nikki, Penny, etc so it probably shouldn't' be that surprising,

Exactly. That's why I wasn't too worried about the team approach, even when it was first mentioned. Season 3 of the original series is among the strongest seasons, and part of that is because it's the season when Mac worked regularly with "teammates", whether it was Jack, Nikki, Pete, Penny, or some combination of all three. In other seasons, he either worked alone, or the show created some random "best friend we never heard of," just to give Mac somebody to work with.

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However MacGyver cussing and being sexed up is not what I personally want to see and I think the producers may have missed a mark with that


It's different from the original, but it doesn't bother me. The language is still VERY mild by today's standards, and I think makes him a bit more believable (I mean, if you thought you saw somebody shoot and kill your girlfriend, would you really just say, "Gosh darn it!"? Probably not.) As for him being sexed up, the show left it largely to the imagination. I was afraid they'd be more in your face about it, especially after seeing the bikini babes on the tank, but what we got were just a few hints, and nothing at all explicit. (Also, even in the original show, he didn't become the ultra-pure monk until the later seasons. I still remember him happily skipping along after his conjugal visit in "The Escape," clearly letting the audience know that he had some fun the night before.)

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This MacGyver goes into a situation already with an idea of what he's going to do and proceeds to look for the tools/resources he needs to do THAT idea. The original MacGyver went into a situation looked at what was available and THEN came up with a plan on how to use those items.
In fact that's why the finger print didn't work in this episode. MacGyver 2.0 went in with a plan already in his head and then found the situation was different. If he had just gone in and seen what the situation was and THEN made his plan on what to do he would have immediately gone for the wall plaster. This REALLY needs to change, otherwise it's just Mission Impossible.

Yeah, but to be fair, that was because he knew ahead of time what his goal was, and so it would make sense from him to have worked out a plan. The later MacGyverisms in the episode, such as using his bowtie to steer the speed boat, making a parachute out of the truck's roof, etc, were the traditional "making it up along the way" style that we all know and love from the original series.

 
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That's exactly what I meant Dash!! In a way, its the Jack Dalton show now, with Mac as a second character. I want Mac on his own, doing it HIS way. I don't think I am going to get that, though.


 
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This is what we call a reshuffle,isn't it ? Jack is the main character , Nikki a traitoress ...I'm appalled.

 
                                                                     
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=Tvero I don't know why I appeared as a guest but it was me who sent the previous post .There's something wrong in the kingdom of MacGyver Online...

 
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ooooooh, a conspiracy! or CBS is trying to hack into the forums to change our comments into something more positive roller.gif

 
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QUOTE (Guest @ 26 September 2016 - 04:59 AM)
Jack is the main character ...I'm appalled.


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That's exactly what I meant Dash!! In a way, its the Jack Dalton show now


Um, what? Did I watch a different show from everyone else? blink.gif

- Jack stayed outside the mansion doing nothing while Mac dealt with stealing the bioweapon.
- Jack stood around just making occasional wise-cracks while Mac interviewed Riley.
- Jack sat in the truck doing nothing while Mac was hanging under the plane and figuring out how to take it down.
- Jack stayed in the helicopter while Mac worked on disarming the bomb and got into a fight with the bad guy.

Jack was definitely not the main character. He's a sidekick. Mac had more screen time, and Mac was the guy doing the majority of the heroics. Jack wasn't given any character depth at all. At least Mac went through the trauma of losing his girlfriend.

 
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I think what they're doing is merging Elyssa Davalos' two characters from Season 3. Lisa Kolher got romantically close to MacGyver, "died", came back to life and betrayed him... but eventually redeemed herself at the end and stating that her feelings for him were true...

In the pilot, Nikki did all those things, with the exception of redeeming herself... yet. Depending on the turn out, her character may disappear much like the original Nikki Carpenter, or suffer the same fate as Lisa. We'll just have to wait and see.

And to be fair, when Bruce McGill was in an episode, he was kinda stealing the show anyway.

I have no real issues so far... but, as already stated, I think part of my problem is that I'm trying to compare it with the original.

However, RDA will always be the better MacGyver... hands down.

But I honestly believe the reboot has a leg to stand on. It's fun, entertaining and I think as time goes by, we will come to love Lucas Till as MacGyver... just not as much as RDA. wink.gif

That doesn't mean I don't have any gripes, but I'm just gonna look those over for now...

 
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Okay, I'll explain my thoughts better...

Mac had more screen time and did more heroics, yes! But his character just wasn't there. I felt myself more interested in Jack, it could simply be Eads is older, has more experience and slipped into the part more quickly. Thus came over better onscreen.

Don't worry, I do intend giving Lucas a chance to sink his teeth into the role, but at the moment there is no heart and soul to his performance. Its just my opinion, but I need to believe in his Mac more...

 
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It may have been any number of factors... Lucas was probably under a lot of pressure, and he did get a lot of hate. Because of that alone, I really want to give him a fair chance to grow into the character.

RDA's shoes are big ones to fill and that's not gonna be an easy feet for him (haha, see what I did there?).

Hopefully he won't let any backlash get to him.

 
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You may be right. It feels like Eads is relaxed with his role, but Lucas seemed the opposite. I think if he can just chill and ignore backlash he'll start to feel it more, and become"Mac".

 
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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 26 September 2016 - 05:30 AM)
ooooooh, a conspiracy! or CBS is trying to hack into the forums to change our comments into something more positive roller.gif

Who knows ? I may be not only unregistered but unwanted too... wink.gif

What I found appalling was the way they 'treated' Nikki in the pilot because I was very fond of that character. But it was in ANOTHER show.

 
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 25 September 2016 - 03:25 PM)
Exactly. That's why I wasn't too worried about the team approach, even when it was first mentioned. Season 3 of the original series is among the strongest seasons, and part of that is because it's the season when Mac worked regularly with "teammates", whether it was Jack, Nikki, Pete, Penny, or some combination of all three. In other seasons, he either worked alone, or the show created some random "best friend we never heard of," just to give Mac somebody to work with.

I agree, Miasma! Episodes with Jack, Penny or Nikki were always fun and I definitely prefer a team aspect over a new friend of the week (or ex-girlfriend of the week).

But...

I read an interesting sentence in one of the comments (maybe the RDA forums, I don't remember exactly): MacGyver doesn't need a backup team - he IS the backup team.

The show is still called MacGyver and not "Team MacGyver". He's the one that has to do a mission because he's the only one who can do it. And I don't want the team to bail him out all the time (especially with over-the-top technology or guns). I think RDA got that right - MacGyver's talents aren't that unique anymore in a modern world; especially if there's always someone a few feet away with access to technology or a gun. They gave him fighting capabilities and language skills, but that makes him a bit too "perfect" for me (especially since New MacGyver is so young).

Having Riley on standby means MacGyver doesn't have to do much detective work anymore - she can find everything in a few seconds and spy on everyone all the time. That means more action. But MacGyver is no Bond, Bourne or Hunt and I wouldn't mind a few more "quiet" moments of MacGvyer looking for something, traipsing around in mazes and stuff; checking around what he could use as a distraction... I always liked that stuff.

 
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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 26 September 2016 - 09:37 AM)
I read an interesting sentence in one of the comments (maybe the RDA forums, I don't remember exactly): MacGyver doesn't need a backup team - he IS the backup team.


It was Kate Ritter on rdanderson.com.

I don't know if the show will ever get shown in the UK so I may not get to see it. I'm curious to see it but not overly fussed at the moment!

 
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QUOTE (Connelly @ 26 September 2016 - 12:03 AM)
It was Kate Ritter on rdanderson.com.

You're right, thanks for reminding me!

I've read so many previews, reviews, recaps and blog-posts that it's all starting to blur together... there is no love or acceptance on the RDA Forums (most didn't watch anyway), but I think Kate had a point in this.

Overall, I think the pilot might have been better if they had been able to make it a two-parter (or like 90 Minutes as a pilot-movie). I think they crammed so much stuff in it that MacGyver kinda disappeared and the MacGyverisms didn't stand out, either because everything was so quick-quick-hush-hush.

 
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Just noticed that there's a rebroadcast tonight @ 10:30PM on CBS - just after NCIS:LA - for those that (somehow) missed it on Friday.

 
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Also, it's up on CBS.com to stream... http://www.cbs.com/shows/macgyver/

I have to agree that it's a good point that MacGyver is the back up team, not having one. One of the things I loved about him was that he was very unassuming and easy to underestimate, which he used to his advantage. He was tough without really seeming like he was.

Seriously, these guys need to employ us in character development. Who's with me!?

 
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MacGyver has a 3rd nipple?!?! blink.gif

I'm out!!






All joking aside... the more I think about and process this show the more things I'm finding wrong with it.

I'm really hoping that Lenkov is taking on board all the feedback and looking at fixing at least some of the things.



 
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Doubt it...

Since they've seem to have a hit show (so far), they probably won't pay any attention to the fans.

Don't make fun of Mac's third nipple... he's sensitive about it.

 
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Totally wrong sex for a '3rd' one gimmick. unsure.gif tongue.gif

 
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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 25 September 2016 - 09:25 PM)
Since they've seem to have a hit show (so far), they probably won't pay any attention to the fans.

One high rating pilot episode does not a hit make.

It'll be really interesting to see ratings for the next few episodes.

Judging from all the negativity I'd say they're going to see a sharp decline if they don't put some fixes in place smartly.


That's a good point about MacGyver was the backup team. He's suppose to be the guy you go to when there's no-one left to go to. The whole needing a team thing destroys that whole aspect of the character.


 
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The pilot is always seen by millions.Its how many tune in the following week that counts. biggrin.gif

Sheesh, this thread is treading like a land rover! Or a better suited Jeep! biggrin.gif

Managed to watch the pilot through internet streaming. I just have two things that bother me.

1. In the beginning, Mac steers the boat the other way around and it rams into the bad guys blowing them up? Huh?
2. He sits down to a beer at the end of the episode? Huh?

I personally disliked Eads. He suggestively comes across as an overgrown grunt. biggrin.gif

Till is okay. But he doesn't grab your attention like RDA did in the original. That's what made him interesting. A normal guy in a most unusual place doing the most extraordinary things with literally nothing.

And of course the Nikki character was bland. No spunk like Elyssa. She was a little transparent.

That aside, i knew it was not going to be the original show. But compared to a lot of other shows out there at the moment, it sure beats them! So I give it a humble 3. It passed in my books. Just not with flying colors.

 
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QUOTE (denizen @ 26 September 2016 - 06:46 AM)
And of course the Nikki character was bland. No spunk like Elyssa. She was a little transparent.

I was a bit surprised because Tracy had lots of spunk in "Revolution" (that's the only thing I've seen her in, though).

I didn't see or feel the betrayal; also because we didn't really know her. There's no backstory in the pilot. The first time we see her, it's practically them getting it one while (presumably) at work. All we know about her is she's not bad to look at, has a nice smile, and is good on a keyboard *lol*. I'm not sure that was the right way to introduce her to an audience if they wanted us to care, because...

I didn't care for her at all. Or what happened to her. Or if she's good (doing bad things for a cause) or bad. How long have they been dating? Enough to have some selfies and pictures of them as an item and some memories of being intimate. Could have been a one-time-thing for me; some minor "mishap" between colleagues... I don't believe Mac if he spends the next 12 episodes pining for her; but maybe we get to see some more flashbacks, who knows.

 
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I am disappointed.

I thought the script was way too long-winded, the camera work too choppy and the graphics excessive. It was like Mission Impossible meets Jason Bourne meets Sherlock.

On the characters:

The roommate is probably like the kid in the original MacGyver pilot. Just there for the one episode, never to be seen again? Not really sure how smart he is to be, if he never realised MacGyver is some secret agent, especially if MacGyver got injured in the course of his work.

George Eades is a pretty decent actor, I always liked him. The banter between him and Till, is a work in progress. Not too bad but Eades seemed to do well with men-bonding, his Nick Stokes worked well with Greg Sanders in CSI.

When it comes to Lucas Till, I think it is a more of a show-don't-tell thing, they need to show how intelligent, not him telling how intelligent he is. From the original series, we know of MacGyver's experience in various field over several episodes/series. His work in DXS was obvious, but his bomb defusing experience was told in Countdown, his excellence in school was from Hell Week, and general science knowledge drip fed throughout the entire series.

No point just dive bombing all that information in the first 10 minutes of the episode, then expecting people to accept it as it is. Telling people he's got several degree from MIT isn't that believable as showing his intelligence in solving problems. Doesn't work that way, not in scriptwriting, nor in good shows.

Considering CBS already commissioned the entire series, the writers and producers should have spent a bit more time laying the foundations.

And like some people said, Mac shouldn't have a backup team. He is the backup team. jack Dalton in the old series was probably his backup, but more like the tripping stone, that Mac has to drag his ass out of trouble. The idea that someone was talking and giving info to Mac as he made his way about the house, felt too Mission Impossible to me.

I am fine with the beer though, I am sure Mac drank a few beers in the first few season. Heck, he was shooting people in the pilot, and lived a huge observatory in the pilot.

About the MacGyverisms:
Man, in this CSI, TV science day and age, some of those MacGyverism just seemed *meh*.

If that wall plaster thing could have worked, why did he even start with getting the fingerprint from the glass in the first place? He could have done the same for the finger, and saved all the work. (That also reminds me, taking off your jacket in the middle of the room, then assuming the role of the waiter... no one in the room noticed? How drunk was everyone? LOL!)

And cutting the cable on the landing gear means the plane has to land, that logic seemed a bit weird to me.

Overall, I am pretty upset by what I watched. sad.gif

 
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QUOTE (MacDawn @ 26 September 2016 - 06:09 AM)

And cutting the cable on the landing gear means the plane has to land, that logic seemed a bit weird to me.

Nowadays, aircraft are so laden with sensors that that seems well in accordance. Get home before there's still some fluid left ...or things get worse, overheat, cause they sure as heck aren't going to get any better. I liked the whole scene. 10/10 The show did not drag like some of the original episodes did, keep it short and simple ... especially in this day & age where millennials have the attention span of a special ed. gnat. biggrin.gif

 
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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 27 September 2016 - 01:09 AM)
QUOTE (MacDawn @ 26 September 2016 - 06:09 AM)

And cutting the cable on the landing gear means the plane has to land, that logic seemed a bit weird to me.

Nowadays, aircraft are so laden with sensors that that seems well in accordance. Get home before there's still some fluid left ...or things get worse, overheat, cause they sure as heck aren't going to get any better. I liked the whole scene. 10/10 The show did not drag like some of the original episodes did, keep it short and simple ... especially in this day & age where millennials have the attention span of a special ed. gnat. biggrin.gif

I have to wonder who thought having a MacGyver jump out of that van and run after a taxing plane and actually catch it was either a good or realistic idea. I started wondering if he might be Bionic! unsure.gif


 
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I agree about Nikki being a bit bland, but at the same time, I think she has the potential to become a more interesting character in this than she was in the original. In the original series, she started out as a tough and interesting character, but then quickly became just another damsel in distress for Mac to rescue, and that always bothered me. She didn't feel like a qualified field agent to me, despite the fact that she was supposed to be one. Without Mac, she wouldn't have lasted a day. I think this new version of Nikki has already shown more resolve, and can't really see the writers turning her into some weak-willed woman. (I'm still not completely convinced that she's bad. I wonder if she might be working as a double-agent, and can't let Mac know... hmmm...)


One interesting thing I noticed about Jack Dalton when I rewatched the episode: Despite the fact that George Eads is nothing like Bruce McGill, I could actually picture Bruce McGill's Jack saying many of George Eads' lines, and doing many of the things that George's Jack did, but with a different "flavor" to it all, if that makes any sense. For example, "You go kaboom, I go kaboom!" is a line I could definitely hear Bruce's Jack saying. I was kind of pleased to notice that with many of Jack's lines throughout the episode.

 
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I thought it wasn't bad.

I wish, however, they had just done it with MacGyver's son (like they tried with his "nephew" a few years ago) rather than just reboot it with the same character. If they had, then it would have been more like Star Trek TNG, i.e., set in the same universe, but not the same guy. It would have also left room for an appearance by RDA at some point as the character he originated.

One thing I thought was hokey was the use of the SAK. When they showed it, it looked something like a Spartan, but I swear he did a one handed opening of it, which you simply can't do. Victorinox DOES make one hand openers, but the Spartan, and it's close relatives aren't among them. I am, nevertheless, glad he's using an SAK rather than some modern tactical knife or Leatherman Wave etc.

I also agree with those who thought the MacGyverisms were rushed. They should take a bit more time, and show a bit more of a struggle with thinking them up (like the original show). I think the new show rips off Sherlock a bit with the labeling everything and the camera work rushing through the making of them.

 
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I was pleasantly surprised with the episode. I expected it to be an over sexed, over computerized "modern" version. I found it to be not as bad as I expected and actually enjoyed most of it. The wife surprisingly thought it was good as well and found many of the humorous lines to be funny. Lucas Till is doing a pretty good job acting like Mac. The haircut is very similar to Mac's mullet but somewhat more upated. Face it, if Lucas rocked the mullet he would stand out like anyone else who chooses to wear that hair style in the current times. Either way he has a big role to fill and I can understand him being somewhat nervous about it all. I expect him to come into his own as the series goes on much like RDA did.

I did enjoy some of Jacks humor but I think he is a little too military like for the show. The original Jack Dalton had funny one liners but always dragged Mac into trouble. The new Jack seems to have no problem shooting someone and seems to get Mac out of trouble. Like stated several times, he seems to be comfortable with the character and does a good job.

Patricia Thorton kinda even resembles what I think Petes old wife may have looked like in her younger years. I am not a huge fan of her cut and dry by the book approach. Something that made Pete and Mac such good partners was that Pete was willing to bend the rules sometimes to let Mac do things his way. Although it is too early to judge this much, she did bend to allow the hacker women to stay out of prison. Hopefully she becomes more compassionate and liberal.

Things I loved were the original intro showing the up close hands doing things (like the original). The explosion with the macgyver logo made me wet my pants with excitement. I loved the throw back to the original that they did. Mac carrying the missle just like RDA posed within one so many years ago. Love that Mac and Jack have a Cairo story kinda like Mac and Pete did in the original with the camel smuggling bit. I absolutely loved the voice overs.

Some things I didn't care about were that the Macgyverisms seemed rushed. I would like them to take more time to have Mac thinking about what he is going to do. Of course this may change in the following episodes but the pilot made it seem like he already had the Macgyerism figured out before he even knew he would have to do one. I would like more time for him thinking the plan out and more time constructing and building the macgyverism. The special effects where pretty lacking especially with the explosions. They just didn't look real. The first explosion of the truck looked believable but the 2nd explosion (which did scare me) looked fake with the shrapnel flying over his head. I am not really sure about mac's roomate. He seems like he was just thrown in there at the last minute. His character seems like he can be a likeable guy but as of right now, it doesn't seem like he brings much to the table. I am hoping his character is expanded upon in the series. Possibly he takes over the role of getting Mac into trouble?

But I am pretty impressed with the series. It was much better then I could of expected. I found it entertaining, fun to watch, cringy at some times. It was an hour well spent and I will continue to watch. I did try to tell myself not to compare it to the original as much as I could. I think, if you can get over that, it becomes much more enjoyable to watch. I didn't expect it will ever surpass the original series in my mind, but that is basically impossible as the original has a level of nostalgia that nothing new could ever exceed. I would give it a 7 out of 10.


 
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