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Airdate: 30 September 2016
Writer: Craig O'Neill
Director: Jerry Levine
Guest Cast: Amy Acker (Sarah Adler), Aina Dumlao (Andie Lee), Jocko Sims (Jimmy Green), Al Vincente (Julio),
G-Rod (Marco), Jonathan Ralph Fritschi (Sweaty Cashier), Billy Blair (Creepy Guy)
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MacGyver and the team attempt to rescue Jack's former CIA partner and ex-girlfriend, Sarah, who went missing in Venezuela after she obtained evidence to take down an international arms dealer.




 
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After the "trying too hard to be funny" scenes with Wilt, this episode eventually had some good moments. I'm not a fan of the soundtrack on this show, though. I know this isn't meant to be a serious show like Homeland, and that's fine, but the soundtrack sometimes makes the whole thing feel a bit TOO comical (also, I think something's odd with the sound mixing in this series. Last week and this week, I found there were times when the music is a bit too loud, to the point where it's a bit difficult to hear what's being said.)

On a positive note, there were plenty of moments that felt like classic MacGyver. The arc-welder, the elevator shaft descent, the night vision glasses, using the mirrors to ignite the boxes of ammo, and stopping the bad guy with the netting were all very MacGyver-ish.

I feel like there's potential for this to be a much better show than it is. For starters, they need to tweak the tone of the show, and write Wilt out. I'm also a bit unsure about Mac's aversion to guns, since he has no problem throwing exploding fireballs at pursuing bad guys.

 
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I agree on the comical music -- Five-0 is the same way and I don't mind it as much there, but here I'd rather it be more serious.

My other thoughts are here:
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Overall I didn't think this episode was as good as the first one.

 
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I haven't seen this episode yet - but I want to agree about there being a sound issue. I thought the problem was my end last week, because I had to keep turning the TV down on action scenes, and then up really loud to try and hear what they were saying.

This used to be a massive issue with Five O for me, and eventually it caused me to stop watching, so its obviously some process they're using that end. Maybe its only something that affects certain types of equipment/tv, as the majority don't seem to notice it?

 
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I've noticed this on a number of shows and even movies. It seems to becoming a common way to setup the the volume levels.

I find it REALLY annoying. dry.gif


 
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Maybe they thought because so many OLD fans of the original show are watching, they need to crank up the volume... us being half death due to old age and all laugh.gif

It's really annoying on many shows and movies; especially if you're already at a disadvantage with English not being your mother tongue... but it happens on German dubbed movies as well nowadays. As long as they're talking it's too quiet and as soon as music starts playing your ears are shattering and you have to hurry to turn the volume down again. So annoying! mad.gif

 
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QUOTE (MacsJeep @ 1 October 2016 - 08:09 PM)
I haven't seen this episode yet - but I want to agree about there being a sound issue. I thought the problem was my end last week, because I had to keep turning the TV down on action scenes, and then up really loud to try and hear what they were saying.

This used to be a massive issue with Five O for me, and eventually it caused me to stop watching, so its obviously some process they're using that end. Maybe its only something that affects certain types of equipment/tv, as the majority don't seem to notice it?

I have to admit that I'm just using the speakers built into my television, not some advanced sound system, so I don't have the greatest set-up for audio. But even so, I should be able to hear the dialogue. The opening gambit in this episode was particularly bad for that. I don't know why they felt the need to have loud music (with lyrics) playing while the actors were talking. It wasn't as if the scene took place in a dance club or at a concert.

Speaking of the opening scene: I guess I'll give them points for paying homage to a classic season 1 MacGyver situation, with Mac racing to cross the border to get away from his pursuers. But, somehow, I just didn't really care. I think it's because of the presentation. Again, the soundtrack is problematic. Some good, tense action music would have really helped the scene. Instead, we got rock music.



 
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Random thought: Notice that in this reboot, Mac's dad left when Mac was 12 years old. They didn't mention anything about him dying. So I think it's safe to say there are plans to bring Mac's dad onto the show. I wonder if RDA was supposed to play that role (remember Lenkov said he had a role in mind for RDA?) Seems very possible.

 
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Yes I'm hating this reboot more and more! dry.gif

- They have MacGyver working with a gun happy team.
- He doesn't seam the slightest bit worried about them shooting and killing people.

and now they're creating a new back story for the character!

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QUOTE (Walter @ 1 October 2016 - 11:59 PM)
Yes I'm hating this reboot more and more! dry.gif

- They have MacGyver working with a gun happy team.
- He doesn't seam the slightest bit worried about them shooting and killing people.

and now they're creating a new back story for the character!

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I don't mind them altering the back-story. It is a reboot/reimagining, after all, not a retelling. And if the writers feel they can come up with something more interesting by not having both parents be dead, that's fine. Mac's dead parents weren't really a huge factor in the original series anyway.

My problem with the gun thing is that I simply don't understand Mac's position on it. He doesn't seem to have any moral qualms about his friends using guns, nor does he mind tossing firebombs at people, so does he just not carry a gun because he enjoys the challenge of thinking of more creative ways to deal with the bad guys? If so, that's a bit silly.

 
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 1 October 2016 - 02:08 PM)
My problem with the gun thing is that I simply don't understand Mac's position on it.  He doesn't seem to have any moral qualms about his friends using guns, nor does he mind tossing firebombs at people, so does he just not carry a gun because he enjoys the challenge of thinking of more creative ways to deal with the bad guys?  If so, that's a bit silly.

In this video by ET Online http://www.etonline.com/tv/199302_exclusiv...ewest_bromance/ , around the 1-minute-mark , Lucas Till says about Jack Dalton: "He uses the guns, because MacGyver famously doesn't use guns."

Yes, that's right. But the writers still didn't get the point, did they?

In every scene so far, MacGyver was covered by someone with a gun (usually Jack; this time also Sarah). So what's the point in keeping MacGyver not using a gun? What's the point using a MacGyverism instead of a gun if there's a gun (or two, maybe even three with Thornton on board) at hand anyway? Instead of throwing the net onto the bike, they could have kept shooting at the tires...

Back when Lenkov and Wan attended ComicCon, I was actually pleasantly surprised that they really intended to keep Mac not using guns. I thought they would never get away with this; that the network would be against it since they planned on still making it a modern action show. I never expected them being as strict anti-gun as the original; and I'm pretty sure we'll never see an episode like "Blood Brothers".

But what they're doing right now, they could just hand MacGyver a gun; it doesn't really matter. MacGyver doesn't just not use guns - he condones it. He hates them. And he insists on people leaving their gun at home if they want him to help. As soon as they made Jack an gun-wielding Ex-CIA-Agent, I knew that would be problematic storywise.

The story still has to work if there wasn't a gun involved. Let Jack's gun disappear (lost, taken by the bad guys, running out of ammo) and see what happens. Does the storyline hold up? Do the MacGyverism still work? If not, that's not a MacGyver story.

 
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Also, the way they're "breezing" over the MacGyverisms is BAD.

I recently watched the "Birdlady-Episode" (Rush to Judgement, I think?) for the first time in years. It's one of those episodes I've only seen once or twice in my life. I didn't remember anything about it besides the MacGyverism with the soda machine. That's what most people will remember of the show; especially if they're not fans or overly interested in one of the actors.

I don't even remember the MacGyverisms from last week's pilot. Something about fingerprints and a parachute. And that's bad. I mean, the poster features the final MacGyverism of the pilot episode. The one they also used in the unaired pilot. Yet it's over in not even 10 seconds without creating a lasting image...

In this episode, MacGyver builds night-vision-goggles. How cool is that??? Well, I don't remember what and how he did it, just that he did it. And the part is so soulless and non-memorable, it would have been the same if he had brought a pair of ordinary ones with him... I don't really care where he got them.

 
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QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 1 October 2016 - 02:49 AM)
I've noticed this on a number of shows and even movies. It seems to becoming a common way to setup the the volume levels.

I find it REALLY annoying. dry.gif

Sounds like they have made theather release sound mixing for the episode, because the theater release movies which are shown in TV, usually have the sound problem that you have to change the volume all the time by remote or you don't hear dialogue under the music. That problem is fixed when they make own external sound mixing for the broadcasting release.

It's extra money, but if this is already TV release, it should't affect.




 
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Totally agree with everything you wrote, Dashboard.

Regarding Mac not using a gun in this-- It sometimes ends up just making him look like the least efficient member of the team. Like you said, why bother doing the netting trap when it would have been easier to just shoot out the bike's tires?
And having Jack cover him all the time just puts Jack in more danger for no good reason. It would be like if two police officers were partners on duty, but one of them refused to carry a gun for no real reason, and just trusted that the other one would cover him.

And yes, the MacGyverisms are being done WAY too quickly. The main problem with doing it so quickly is that it builds no tension at all. In the original series, Mac would find himself in a situation, and there would be tension because we wouldn't know how he'd get out of it, and then we'd see him notice something, and we'd see an idea form in his head, the background music would kick in, and the audience felt a sense of satisfaction and anticipation as we watched him cobble together a clever solution. In the reboot, he sometimes has the MacGyverism almost finished before we even know what the problem is (for example, the arc-welder. As far as I can remember, the audience didn't even know the locked door existed, and he already had the solution to it. Same thing with the fireballs during the opening gambit. He had come up with that solution before the episode even started!)

 
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Ok, I do NOT like the way the MacGyverisms are done. The "ingredients" just "pop out of nowhere' Ok, where did the car battery come from when they blew off the door? Did they go to their car (that beat up thing? yeah right) and get it?

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the night vision glasses, using the mirrors to ignite the boxes of ammo,

Now THOSE were good MacGyverisms! Especially the night vision glasses! But, when he said "Bad A** glasses," well, the A** part wasn't "MacGyver" to me...... Just 20 year old show off language.

And like Miasma said about "tweaking the show," it's so DARK to me. The original was a little more cheery!

I fell asleep half way through.

 
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Dashboard, I agree. That is what I have been saying. You can't have MacGyver not carry a gun or use them, but have everyone around him shooting people for him. That is not anti gun, that's just he doesn't have to carry one since everyone else does the dirty work for him. The scene where he is surrounded and Jack snipes the bad guys instead of MacGyver figuring out how to distract them while he runs was pretty bad and a wasted opportunity. He even seems happy about the situation. Also when he blew that other boat up, we would have seen the bad guys jumping and swimming to shore instead of assuming they are basically blown up.

I agree Wilt needs to be written out. He reminds me of back in day when everyone had to have goofy sidekick. Too many sidekicks on this show.

MacGyver is also a loner who uses the person he is helping as a surrogate for the audience as he explains what he is doing and why. It's hard to fit those moments in when you have 5 main characters around all the time.

If they are really listening to the audience, and I know old people over 49 don't count, then they will streamline the show and give it some heart. Even if it's not a serious drama, we have to care about the character and the message. And so far, that seems to be that if you don't want to do something, then have other people do it for you.

 
                                                                     
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Okay, so here we go...That was just AWFUL!!!!! I have always been a bit negative of this reboot. Then I chided myself, gave it a chance, and last week I actually saw some potential for it to work with a few tweaks.

This week, I was SO bored within fifteen minutes I had to force myself to not switch off. Whatever this show is, it is NOT MacGyver.

The gun thing is terrible. It's like watching The A Team rather than Mac, because everyone bar him has a gun, and are constantly using them, and he doesn't give a hoot. He doesn't care that those around him are doing it, so um...he may as well have one as well. I'm not anti-violence in shows, and I love a good action movie, but that was not what the original show was about. Is this "Die Hard?" or is it "MacGyver?"

I'm not happy with the "team" element. It felt very "new Knight Rider" this week, and that didn't work for me, either. Wilt also gets on my nerves and is pointless.

The MacGyverisms are rushed, and he pulls stuff out of thin air to do them with, and those on screen prompts are ridiculous! I hate it that they split the screen in three and have to put visual "text" up there. I am sorry, but I really don't need to have it spelled out to me that Mac is about to cut up a "camoflage net", for heavens sake!

I was going to watch two or three before making a verdict, and had hoped and actually believed after last week things would improve, but to be honest, after this weeks, I think I'm done with it altogether.

I am off to wash the bad memory of it out of my mind with an original episode, methinks.

Sorry if this was really negative, but I really couldn't find one positive thing about it this week. sad.gif Oh, I still like the voiceovers. There, something positive, but certainly not enough for me to tune in again. Now I know why RDA said no thank you...

 
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Interestingly, it still holds up via https://twitter.com/TVMoJoe/status/782237442275282944

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Overall, ratings have dropped - but not as much as expected. Still 9 Mio viewers (compared to 11 Mio last week): http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/10/ratings-n...tober-2016.html

 
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QUOTE (paracelsus @ 2 October 2016 - 03:22 AM)
I agree Wilt needs to be written out. He reminds me of back in day when everyone had to have goofy sidekick. Too many sidekicks on this show.

Wilt's even worse than a goofy sidekick because he's NOT a sidekick. He's nothing. He makes waffles and hits on women. What's the point? I really can't figure out why they thought adding him to the show was a good idea. He could have worked, possibly, as a guest star who shows up in one or two episodes per season for a few minutes, just to kind of flesh out Mac's home life, but it's totally unnecessary to have him as part of the regular cast, especially when Mac already has several other characters to interact with.


 
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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 1 October 2016 - 05:29 AM)
So what's the point in keeping MacGyver not using a gun? What's the point using a MacGyverism instead of a gun if there's a gun (or two, maybe even three with Thornton on board) at hand anyway? Instead of throwing the net onto the bike, they could have kept shooting at the tires...



hmmm...I don't know Dash. It's like asking why MacGyver in original series doesn't have a bag full of bombs or granates instead of making them out of chewing gum.

Maybe it will sounds like a heresy for some of You but since childhood I consider Mac as a lethal weapon, and a very DANGEROUS guy, in general. Using uncontrol explosions instead of a gun always seemed to something more messy in every way. This is something what producers of original were aware of, and that is why after the explosions there always was a scene of bad guys steping out of distroyed car or building.


It looks like for now that Mac in the team is this plan A, and Jack with a gun - plan B. Jack in pilot: " You've got 30 minutes, the I'll crush the party."
That's why scene with neeting the motocykle has sense to me. Using a gun in that situation was risky beacuse of possibility to shot the villian instead of catch him alive. Probably if this would not work, Jack or someone else from the car would use plan B - the gun.

Don't get me wrong I love this allergy for guns in original and I don't like that this "new" Mac accept using them without even a blink of the eye unsure.gif

And that is why I hope P. Lenkov has an explanation for Mac's behaviour towards guns.



 
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Definitely better than the pilot. Some of the emotional scenes were a tad cringe inducing, and felt pretty forced. I do miss RDA's sincerity when it came to caring about his friends.

I still like Riley the best, and the Nikki story line is now getting interesting. It was also nice to see a Jeep Wrangler being used... hopefully homage to Mac's Jeep.

Still a little concerned, like you guys, about Mac's lack of aversion to guns. He seems far too okay with all the violence and death going on. The original Mac was always against that.

I thought the makeshift night-vison goggles was clever.

I haven't paid much attention to the music, and have to agree that this seems to be an ongoing problem with most shows. I know this happens with Supernatural a lot too... usually with dialogue I have to turn it up until there's an action sequence, and it's too loud.

I certainly hope if RDA decides to come about and they make him Mac's father that they don't make him some sort of dead-beat dad or something. =P

I think they really need to address the gun aversion, and fix that. Mac's disdain for guns is a big part of his character.

I do believe the timing for the emotional scenes and comedic scenes are a bit off. I'm spoiled on Supernatural, which has it down to a science. The show feels like it's trying WAY too hard to be something it's not.

Also, the song they play in the beginning sounds like "Taking Care of Business" but in a different language.

All in all, not a bad episode! Still needs some tweaking, but looking forward to the next episode... I give it a 3.5/5

 
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ok so let's talk about episode 2


I loved it. but there are still some weak points


lets get the negatives out of the way first

1. Everyone keeps discussing about the gun situation which doesn't bother me nearly as much as the first name thing STOP SAYING ANGUS it's seriously pissing me off!!!!!! Young Macgyver (2003) had a lot of faults and manged to get that at least right!


2. the 5 minute scene at the Parole office was painful. absolutely painful. Bowzer needs to go make his movie and get offf of macgyver


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1. Till and eads continue to shine

2. Paticia thorton made a complete turnaround I love her as a bad ass i love her as a field agent and I LOVED how she reacted at the end "unofficially I would of done same thing" I could picture Pete saying the same thing.


3. More references to Mac's grandfather and Mac being afraid of the dark which I kind of like and makes sense honestly

4. FINALLY NEW macgyverisms the Bar thing and the Night vision goggles were never in the old show (the first episode kind of let me down as all the macgyverisms are from the original show)

5. I like the twist on Nikki does this mean this Ann chick stole the name from someone else will me meet the really Nikki?

6. and Mac is still doing good with ratings so I am happy

7. Also the CGI looked much better

so over all the second episode was a bit better then the first looking forward to next week

 
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I really don't think this episode was that bad. The previous qualms I had with the pilot are there, but given that they are already 6 shows into filming, i'm not expecting to see if any fan input has been taken into account yet if they take it.

I think the aversion to violence complaint is kind of silly. When I watched the original with my dad growing up we always used to joke about how Mac doesn't like to shoot the bad guys and that his preferred style was to only blow them up. The no guns deal was always just a gimmick to give him a reason to think up a solution. So far, he's been able to do that in this series, and i've actually enjoyed a lot of his MacGyverisms. I just wish they'd give more screentime to his thought process and the execution. I agree he pulls the items he needs out of nowhere. I want him to work with what he's given. The fact that the others are using guns around him makes it actually a bit more realistic for me, and to be honest I think I prefer it because it shows a Mac that is working things out even with all of the commotion going on around him. In that aspec t it shows a Mac that can think on his feet. Plus, It's not like Pete and others from the foundation never returned fire in the original series, it just wasn't as spectacular as in this version.

 
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Basketball? Basketball??? doh.gif Please tell me that this won't be his new sports obsession, and since we've learned that his Grandfather used to take him to hoop games and all. Oh well, they're just tying to cover their backsides and maximize the viewing audience, I guess . They're starting to slowly but surely veer off course - as much as I'd like to cut them some slack and back off the nitpicky critique stuff for a few months. But really, hockey is the ultimate sport for a MacGyver character because it's the fastest game in the world, you have to deal with bullies, physical adversity, and only seconds to react and implement your plans to triumph.

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Uh, no. It didn't work for me. Saw the episode with a lost look on my face. There is an imbalance here focusing on all the characters yet emphasis is placed on the main characters voice overs. I'm just not feeling it. MacGyver keeps on being held on a leash while chaos happens around him. Wilt Bozer is about as interesting as watching paint dry and Dalton is no Dalton I know. Sorry guys, disliked this episode immensely.

 
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Well about episode 2, what to say ? It's slightly better, just a little bit better and that's all really.

Just like the pilot, it just doesn't feel like MacGyver sorry. The vibe I keep getting is a strange cross between a-team and mission impossible. Mac works alone end of story. They need to drop the "team" element ASAP (Unfortunately, I know they won't), and what the hell is with everybody calling Thornton, instead of Miss Thornton or Patricia, give the boss some respect.

Basketball is lame also! At least hockey gave Mac some character traits and personality.



Maybe Lenkov would've been more suited for a A-Team revival.

 
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Ah..I knew there was something else that annoyed me that I'd forgotten to mention...

Thank you for reminding me MacGyver12186 - The Mac I know would never keep using Angus, we all know dang well he hated it that much it was a no go area for him, and yet "this" Mac seems to flaunt it. A very small nitpick, I know, but its just another little thing they have gotten wrong that ads to the whole mess.

I am just not feeling it. Sorry guys. sad.gif

 
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QUOTE (MacsJeep @ 3 October 2016 - 01:27 AM)
Ah..I knew there was something else that annoyed me that I'd forgotten to mention...

Thank you for reminding me MacGyver12186 - The Mac I know would never keep using Angus, we all know dang well he hated it that much it was a no go area for him, and yet "this" Mac seems to flaunt it. A very small nitpick, I know, but its just another little thing they have gotten wrong that ads to the whole mess.

I am just not feeling it. Sorry guys. sad.gif

I didn't think he flaunted it. When he's with his friends, he always just goes by "Mac" or "MacGyver." He used "Angus MacGyver" when identifying himself to the border patrol guards in Korea, which makes sense. To be honest, it was a bit silly in the original series that he was able to get away with never properly identifying himself to anyone just because he had a childish dislike of his first name. I think they even make a joke about that when he was in the lawyer's office in "Harry's Will."

So as long as he goes by "Mac" or "MacGyver" when he's in a casual setting, I don't mind if he uses "Angus MacGyver" to officially identify himself. Besides, we all know his first name by now, so there's really no point in keeping it as some kind of contrived secret.

 
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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 1 October 2016 - 03:25 PM)
Some of the emotional scenes were a tad cringe inducing, and felt pretty forced.

Yes. As it is in much of TV these days. You have young actors trying to convey sophisticated emotions that are often above their own personal experiences. How do you act out something so deep that you've rarely/barely experienced yourself? Why, you copy off somebody else, of course. It marginally works, but comes across as more mechanical. cookie-cutter, than genuinely sincere.

 
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