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I'm not sure if this has already been discussed (I didn't see a thread for it), but CBS has now ordered a full season of "MacGyver," as opposed to just the 13 episodes they originally ordered:

http://www.seat42f.com/cbs-gives-full-seas...d-macgyver.html


CBS has given full season orders to three top rated new series, including the #1 and #2 new series, BULL and KEVIN CAN WAIT, and Friday’s #1 new series, MACGYVER.

The three shows, along with the Network’s returning hit programs, have helped CBS win the first three weeks of the season for the eighth consecutive year. In addition, all three have improved their time period, compared to a year ago.

“We’re thrilled viewers have embraced these three shows creatively,” said Glenn Geller, President, CBS Entertainment. “Each one has made an immediate and positive impact on our schedule, while significantly contributing to growing their respective nights.”

BULL, the #1 new program of the season, is averaging 17.32 million viewers, 2.6/09 in adults 18-49 and 3.8/11 in adults 25-54. BULL has improved the year ago Tuesday (9:00-10:00 PM) time period by +18% in viewers, +24% in adults 18-49 and +23% in adults 25-54.

KEVIN CAN WAIT, the season’s #1 new comedy in viewers and key demographics, is averaging 11.26 million viewers, 2.8/09 in adults 18-49 and 4.0/11 in adults 25-54 on Mondays (8:30-9:00 PM). Compared to the year ago time period, KEVIN CAN WAIT is up +10% in viewers, +17% in adults 18-49 and +14% in adults 25-54.

MACGYVER, Friday’s #1 new program, is averaging 11.35 million viewers, 1.9/08 in adults 18-49 and 2.7/10 in adults 25-54, winning its (8:00-9:00 PM) time period in all these measures. MACGYVER is up +55% in viewers, +12% in adults 18-49 and +17% in adults 25-54 compared to the year ago time period.




 
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Thanks for bringing this here.

I know we all have our fights with and doubts about the reboot, but I actually think this is a good thing. Now we have the chance that the writers, producers and the rest of the cast listens to us to make the necessary changes.

Who knows, we might have the chance to get a reboot that deserves the title of "MacGyver". The show will be picked up in other countries so that many more people get a chance to discover MacGyver and therefore also the original show.

 
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That's a great point Dash. People who have never seen the original Mac might be tempted to check it out once they've seen the new series, out of curiosity if nothing else.

 
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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 18 October 2016 - 06:35 AM)
Thanks for bringing this here.

I know we all have our fights with and doubts about the reboot, but I actually think this is a good thing. Now we have the chance that the writers, producers and the rest of the cast listens to us to make the necessary changes.

Who knows, we might have the chance to get a reboot that deserves the title of "MacGyver".

Yep, that's what I'm hoping.

As I said in another thread, the showrunners must be aware by now that people aren't loving the reboot. The professional reviews have been overwhelmingly negative, and the reaction on social media is equally negative. CBS already did some retooling after the negative response to the initial trailer, so I'm sure they're keeping their eyes and ears open to find out what people are liking/disliking now. This is too big a franchise for them not to be paying attention. Obviously they can't change episodes that have already been filmed, so we're going to get several more that we probably won't like much, but hopefully the second half of the season will show some improvement.


 
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I'm not sure how this works - to they get a higher budget now after they ordered more episodes or will the budget stay the same (as for the earlier episodes)?

 
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 17 October 2016 - 10:07 PM)
This is too big a franchise for them not to be paying attention.

Exactly. The full-season-order isn't as much a surprise for me (despite so many negative reviews).

CBS was willing to greenlight a pilot without a script and to pick it up as a series without actually having a pilot to show.

MacGyver is still a house-hold name and was very successful internationally;they're probably willing to go on with it even if the ratings are lower then they usually allow for the US Market. They see MacGyver as a bankable franchise that they intend to keep alive because there's money to gain in the international markets - after all, the original show still airs in so many different countries after all these years; of course they hope to achieve the same with the reboot.

 
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Good news!!!!! happy_dance.gif sakopen.gif happy_dance.gif thumbsup.gif sakopen.gif

 
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So far this is not MacGyver to me. If they don't change the formula of the show, I certainly wont be watching any more.

 
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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 17 October 2016 - 04:26 PM)
They see MacGyver as a bankable franchise that they intend to keep alive because there's money to gain in the international markets - after all, the original show still airs in so many different countries after all these years; of course they hope to achieve the same with the reboot.

They need to make it a hell of a lot better than it is at the moment for that to happen.




 
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QUOTE (denizen @ 18 October 2016 - 04:20 PM)
So far this is not MacGyver to me. If they don't change the formula of the show, I certainly wont be watching any more.

To be honest, if it wasn't called "MacGyver," I doubt I'd pay any attention to it whatsoever. It reminds me of what happened with The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles-- I never really liked it, but I kept tuning in because it had the name "Indiana Jones" in the title, and so I always thought "maybe THIS time it will feel like Indiana Jones...." To be fair, even though I didn't like Young Indy, at least I could admire the effort they put into it. I can't really say the same about MacGyver.

I do think we'll see some changes to the show in response to the negative feedback, but I also think anyone expecting this show to ever be exactly like the original will still be disappointed. Personally, I'm fine with this show having differences, as long as it ends up being a genuinely good show in its own right. At the moment, sadly, it's different and NOT a particularly good show, which is a bad combination.

 
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The difference between this and Young Indy is that this is meant to be a reboot of the original. Young Indy from the start was intended to be about his life experiences growing up past puberty & adolescent years. Lucas on numerous occasions said it would not replicate the movies. And production wise, score wise, it was superb IMO.

Even if they were going to do something similar with this new incarnation of MacGyver i would still be interested but its like many have said, They simply slap well known names on characters but they are nothing like their original counterparts. At least in Young Indy, His character was the same (You can pick up many traits) and even his father was the splitting image of Sean Connery's depiction.

 
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QUOTE (denizen @ 19 October 2016 - 04:06 PM)
The difference between this and Young Indy is that this is meant to be a reboot of the original. Young Indy from the start was intended to be about his life experiences growing up past puberty & adolescent years. Lucas on numerous occasions said it would not replicate the movies. And production wise, score wise, it was superb IMO.

Even if they were going to do something similar with this new incarnation of MacGyver i would still be interested but its like many have said, They simply slap well known names on characters but they are nothing like their original counterparts. At least in Young Indy, His character was the same (You can pick up many traits) and even his father was the splitting image of Sean Connery's depiction.

For me, that was a bigger problem with Young Indy than it is with MacGyver. The guy we saw in Young Indy was supposed to eventually become Harrison's version of Indy, but it simply didn't line up. Young Indy was such a completely different character, it was impossible for me to imagine that in just a few years, he'd be the "fortune and glory" guy, throwing flaming shishkabobs through people's chests.

At least with MacGyver, it's clearly not intended that Lucas' Mac will grow up to be RDA's Mac, so the differences don't matter as much. It's more of an "alternate universe" approach.

 
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so this means that despite the negativity, they will produce at least 20 episodes. Sadly I'm not enjoying this version, but Dashboard pointed out something important "MacGyver is still a house-hold name and was very successful internationally" which translates into profit for them-

 
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What Indy is concerned I've been watching a bunch of his episodes and it's good and all very fitting for the timeframe. Majority takes place during World War I so not much time for archaeology. He would really enter that world in the 1920's. But that aside. I just saw the trailer of the new episode of the reboot and it looks good.

 
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QUOTE (MacGyverGod @ 20 October 2016 - 03:28 AM)
What Indy is concerned I've been watching a bunch of his episodes and it's good and all very fitting for the timeframe. Majority takes place during World War I so not much time for archaeology.

I didn't really mind the lack of archaeology so much, I minded the fact that he had an entirely different personality, attitude and demeanor from the older Indy. And I realize that people change over time, but young Indy seemed a bit TOO different from the guy we saw in Temple of Doom (which takes place first in the Indy movie time line.) But, like I said before, at least it was a high-quality show, even if it wasn't very Indy-like.

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I just saw the trailer of the new episode of the reboot and it looks good.

Fingers crossed. The problem is, even if the content of the episode is good, the overall presentation of it could kill it. I think all of the previous episodes had some scenes in them that had the potential to be quite good, but then they botched it with choppy editing, annoying music, etc. Hopefully they're learning as they go, and we will start to see improvements gradually. Last week's episode already got rid of the onscreen text during MacGyverisms, so that was a step in the right direction.






 
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If you look through the MacGyverCBS Facebook and twitter comments. There are more likers than haters and that's still being reflected in the ratings too.

But for me personally I'm just struggling to find anything enjoyable about the show. It's certainly got none of the aspects from the original which drew me in.


 
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 20 October 2016 - 01:06 AM)
For me, that was a bigger problem with Young Indy than it is with MacGyver.  The guy we saw in Young Indy was supposed to eventually become Harrison's version of Indy, but it simply didn't line up.  Young Indy was such a completely different character, it was impossible for me to imagine that in just a few years, he'd be the "fortune and glory" guy, throwing flaming shishkabobs through people's chests. 

At least with MacGyver, it's clearly not intended that Lucas' Mac will grow up to be RDA's Mac, so the differences don't matter as much.  It's more of an "alternate universe" approach.

That is the point. This is what Lucas was trying to do. To give his Indiana Jones character a third dimension. He didn't exactly get born with a fedora and crack bullwhips behind everyone's butt on every expedition that he went on. He wanted his character to be more human. That he was different. That his experience in life made him who he was. The difficulties at home and losing his mother and care giver. The war. His friends like Ned.

The exposure to the war in the series was clear indication that he had been exposed to good and bad. And there were some pretty harsh moments in his experience if you recall.

The ongoing adventures with his father fueled his eventual fascination to archaeology.

He was always a ladies man. Heck he even fell for the Austrian princess when he was a kid!

In the movies, his commitment to education shines and he decides to study at the end of the series

Meeting people around the globe helped him develop his reputation and in turn this is how he became "The eminent archaeologist"

Look at the grins and sarcasm that comes out of Sean Patrick Flannery. They are identical to the quirks associated to Harrison's Indy. Even Corey's little grins are a slight reminder of that

The best part. If you refer to Kingdon of the Crystal Skull, there is a scene when Indy tells Mutt of his exprience of meeting Pancho Villa. A direct reference to Young Indy! smile.gif



.I can understand the concept of a different approach when it comes to Mac. HOWEVER if they are going to call people after well known characters of the original and they are nothing like them, then what do you call that? You might as well just call this show, Macmillan. biggrin.gif

It's not like it has reference to MacGyver after all. It's almost as if they are just utilizing the name to cash off on a reputation of a prior show. That is my opinion of course.

 
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QUOTE (denizen @ 20 October 2016 - 04:39 PM)
That is the point. This is what Lucas was trying to do. To give his Indiana Jones character a third dimension. He didn't exactly get born with a fedora and crack bullwhips behind everyone's butt on every expedition that he went on.

Well, like I said in a previous post, I know people change as they get older, and I didn't expect (or want) young Indy to be exactly like Ford's Indy, but I expected to see more traces of the guy he'd eventually become.
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The exposure to the war in the series was clear indication that he had been exposed to good and bad. And there were some pretty harsh moments in his experience if you recall.

True. But by the time the Young Indy series ended, he'd gone through all those harsh experiences, and he was still nothing like the character we saw in Temple of Doom. So he must have experienced something drastically more life changing in the 15 years between his last Young adventure and TOD.

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The ongoing adventures with his father fueled his eventual fascination to archaeology.

He was always a ladies man. Heck he even fell for the Austrian princess when he was a kid!

In the movies, his commitment to education shines and he decides to study at the end of the series

Meeting people around the globe helped him develop his reputation and in turn this is how he became "The eminent archaeologist"

I had no problem with his interest in archaeology. It was the rest of his personality and demeanor that seemed very off to me.
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Look at the grins and sarcasm that comes out of Sean Patrick Flannery. They are identical to the quirks associated to Harrison's Indy. Even Corey's little grins are a slight reminder of that

I think part of the problem was his voice. And I'm not saying that he needed to do a Harrison Ford impression, but Ford's voice had power and authority to it. Flannery's never did, not even after he'd been through the war and all those horrible experiences. He always seemed more like a Michael J Fox character than a younger version of Harrison's character.


I guess one other problem I have with Young Indy, compared to the Mac Reboot, is that it's harder to ignore Young Indy since it does take place in the same timeline and is considered "canon." With MacGyver, the original and the reboot are two separate entities, and no matter what they do with the reboot, the original remains untarnished by it.

But, as I said, I completely acknowledge that Young Indy was VASTLY superior to the Mac reboot. I know I sound like I'm trashing Young Indy, but there's no denying that it was a well-made show, I just never thought it was good as an Indy show.

 
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We seem to be heading off topic a bit here.


 
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QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 21 October 2016 - 09:53 PM)
We seem to be heading off topic a bit here.

Sorry about that.

I think there's just not too much left to say about the Mac reboot, since we're all pretty much in agreement about it (opinions seem to range from "It sucks, but maybe it'll get better" to "It sucks and I doubt it'll get better.")
I actually kind of wish we had some people on this board who really loved it, as that would keep the conversations more interesting.
There used to be someone on this site (his name escapes me at the moment) who was extremely optimistic about the reboot, and loved everything Lenkov said and did. I'd be curious to know if he's as happy with the reboot as he expected to be. And maybe if some of those people on social media who are praising the show would drop by here occasionally, things could get interesting, as we'd get some different points of view.

Anyway, there's a new episode tonight. I'll be interested in seeing if the ratings continue to drop.





 
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QUOTE (denizen @ 19 October 2016 - 08:39 PM)
It's almost as if they are just utilizing the name to cash off on a reputation of a prior show.

This.

 
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 21 October 2016 - 05:36 AM)
QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 21 October 2016 - 09:53 PM)
We seem to be heading off topic a bit here.




I actually kind of wish we had some people on this board who really loved it, as that would keep the conversations more interesting.
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I'm actually enjoying it. I just don't post about it in favourable terms as everyone else around here seems to hate it.
I seem to be the only one on this forum who likes the reboot.

 
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QUOTE (Frog @ 22 October 2016 - 09:09 AM)
I'm actually enjoying it. I just don't post about it in favourable terms as everyone else around here seems to hate it.

Please start.

We could use some balance here. wink.gif

If you start pointing out all the things you think are good it might change our focus as well.



well tonight's episode has promise.

They're stuck on a runaway train - or something to that effect = so not much opportunity for Jack & Co. to shot anything (hopefully) and more opportunity for MacGyver to do his thing.

 
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Posted: 22 October 2016 - 09:45 PM                                    
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Uh, yea, well that SO didn't happen. More killing. I think even MacGyver ended a few lives with aiding a few to exit a speeding train. doh.gif

 
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In the original show, Mac operated pretty much by himself most of the time. In the reboot he has a team to assist. I think many folks miss the "lone wolf" Mac.

 
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Hoping to get a few seasons out of this honestly.

 
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