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Just came across this while browsing...
A lot of points that we are making here.

http://www.tvovermind.com/tv-news/10-reaso...yver-better-one

 
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Not a bad assessment. You gotta tee up the macgyverisms, don't ya? The new series is missing the foreplay to the main course. What is the foreplay? I don't know exactly, but it has to do with the cinematography, music, and accordingly the intensity/buildup to the act/scene of macgyverization. I'm not articulate enough to describe/define it any better but the new series is somehow lacking in this 'main event'. WTF UP Executive Producers!!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif macsak.gif

 
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What the actual flip-flop? The fake Mac endorses torture? I wouldn't have referred to him as a "fake Mac" until now, but, assuming this is correct, they've really, really, really disrespected the original character and original series.

 
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Guns are such a political football in the US. They are doing right by towing the line, as such and in order to survive the ratings crunch. For the record, I watched the original series and it totally flew over my head that Mac was anti-gun. And it doesn't really matter one way or the other and for the love of the series, imo.

 
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I agree with most points. Old Mac is FAR superior to new Mac. It had the potential to be something but each episode is "MEH". I have yet to see one single episode that has made me think, "Wow".
For someone who was a "Fan" Lenkov is sure missing the mark. Hell, i could write better.

 
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QUOTE (Riddick @ 15 November 2016 - 03:32 AM)
I didn't see the episode with the torture thing that's described in the article, so I can't comment on that aspect. I definitely saw how this new Mac is more violent by how he doesn't mind everyone around him using guns. Not original Mac at all. The real Mac wouldn't even let Murdoc use a gun when he helped him get his sister back from HIT.

I don't think the article is new to be honest, but was reposted (because the date on the article says November 14). I think I've read this shortly after the premiere of the pilot episode hmm.bmp

Many reviews criticized the "torture thing" in the pilot, but I really didn't see it.

I think Jack stapled the bad guy (Vinnie Jones) through his clothes into the ground (similar to the original show where MacGyver did this in an episode; maybe "There but for the Grace"?); he didn't really hurt him by stapling his leg or something like some reviews stated.

 
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Not a bad list, though I have some issues with it.

They kind of cheated with #3 and #4, though, since they're essentially the same points:

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3. Lone Wolf

Part of Andersonís appeal was the fact that he was somewhat of a loner. Lucas Till surrounds himself with a group of cohorts and it sort of detracts from the solo hero features that we had become accustomed to with the first Mac. This takes the focus off of MacGyver as the main character and spreads the glory around. We liked the lone wolf aspect of the first MacGyver.

4. He didnít need a team

The Original MacGyver was more independent. The new one has more people at his disposal to help him out of the jams that he gets in to. Richard Dean Anderson was not surrounded by an entourage of friends and family. He depended on his brilliant mind to figure out how to free himself or escape from many harrowing situations. In the reboot, Mac has plenty of people around to help him figure things out and it lacks the necessity for ingenuity that the previous version offered fans.


I find #5 kind of interesting:
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5. Deep seated pain

The new MacGyver faces plenty of challenges but he lacks the deep seated pain that we grew accustomed to seeing in Anderson. It was as though he was trying to to survive on the inside as much as physically. We watched Anderson make his journey through life while carrying a heavy burden and it was difficult to tell what he was thinking, you just had to assume it. The Mystery of the first Mac drove fans wild, particularly the women. It made you wonder if he would ever find happiness again.

Mac never struck me as somebody with "deep-seated pain." Did anyone else see him that way? (other than the author of the article, of course.) Considering how many times he'd been betrayed, and how many of his friends died throughout the years, he always seemed remarkably good-natured and cheerful.

And that bring us to #9:
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9. More Understated

The old Mac was more understated with regard to personality. It was as though the writers kept him as a more reserved individual and built crescendos into the script that allowed Mac to shine through at just the right moments in time. The more recent character is more outgoing and has a decidedly different personality that is not close to the original at all. There is a lack of mystery about the current Mac that just doesnít satisfy the older generation who expect to see at least some of the personality traits that we came to know and love in Richard Dean Andersonís character.

Again, I don't quite agree with this. If anything, I think the original Mac had more spark. We saw a lot more humor from the original Mac than we do from this one, and he seemed to have a tremendous number of "very good friends" who randomly popped up throughout the years. In this new version, it seems like Mac's only friends are Bozer and Jack (oh, and Penny, who appeared for about 5 seconds.)

Regarding the "torture scene"-- that's really really overstating it. Jack stapled some guy's pants, that's it. He threatened to do more, but never actually did, and I'm sure Mac knew he wouldn't.

So although I do agree that the original Mac was better, I don't quite agree with all their reasons.

 
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I think Mac had some deep-seated pain, maybe more about the deaths of his parents and grandmother than about other people who had died.

As for the betrayals ... he did have commitment issues. I think RDA didn't entirely help matters by giving so many interviews where, when he was asked why he was still single, he implied he had actual commitment issues rather than saying that wasn't anyone else's business. I think by the time of "The Lost Amadeus" and "MacGyver's Women", the writers were making not-so-subtle allusions to it. But Mac had actual reasons to be suspicious of potential love interests.

 
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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 14 November 2016 - 05:45 PM)
Guns are such a political football in the US. They are doing right by towing the line, as such and in order to survive the ratings crunch. For the record, I watched the original series and it totally flew over my head that Mac was anti-gun. And it doesn't really matter one way or the other and for the love of the series, imo.

Guns are indeed a controversial issue in the USA. And, for me, the fact MacG.gif was so strongly opposed to them is what makes me a fan.

 
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 15 November 2016 - 09:22 AM)
Regarding the "torture scene"-- that's really really overstating it. Jack stapled some guy's pants, that's it. He threatened to do more, but never actually did, and I'm sure Mac knew he wouldn't.


But the old Mac would have objected.

 
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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 15 November 2016 - 01:45 PM)
For the record, I watched the original series and it totally flew over my head that Mac was anti-gun.

Even when he specifically stated "I hate guns" in the Flames End episode or when Pete talked him out of shooting in MacGyver DOA episode when he told MacGyver "You don't use guns. You hate them" or when he told Diego in The Gauntlet episode "I do much better without them"? How about the WHOLE episode of Blood Brothers which tells us why MacGyver hates guns? How about The Eraser where he tells Jimmy there are other ways than using a gun? Or Halloween Knights when he tells Murdoc no guns? Or Serenity where he gets ridiculed for not carrying a gun in the old west? Or every time he disarmed a bad guy he kicked or threw the gun away instead of using it?

You really missed all that? blink.gif

I know there are more, but these are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

 
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QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 16 November 2016 - 06:35 AM)
QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 15 November 2016 - 01:45 PM)
For the record, I watched the original series and it totally flew over my head that Mac was anti-gun.

Even when he specifically stated "I hate guns" in the Flames End episode or when Pete talked him out of shooting in MacGyver DOA episode when he told MacGyver "You don't use guns. You hate them" or when he told Diego in The Gauntlet episode "I do much better without them"? How about the WHOLE episode of Blood Brothers which tells us why MacGyver hates guns? How about The Eraser where he tells Jimmy there are other ways than using a gun? Or Halloween Knights when he tells Murdoc no guns? Or Serenity where he gets ridiculed for not carrying a gun in the old west? Or every time he disarmed a bad guy he kicked or threw the gun away instead of using it?

You really missed all that? blink.gif

I know there are more, but these are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Yes, sorry dad, I guess I must have. Focused on what he did like, not what he (occasionally) ranted or preached about. He liked hockey, good food, travel, tech, and the out of doors. Gun were a part of the series, whether he gave his stamp of approval or not. That's enough for me. If, it turns out, that he was some kind of Patron Saint for an emerging anti-gun lobby, and those who worshipped would not have done so had he carried a firearm .... then I would be surprised but not shocked in this day and age. smile.gif

 
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I imagine that for some viewers, it doesn't matter that MacG.gif was aiming to temporarily incapacitate his enemies rather than to kill them. But it matters a lot to me. Doesn't make me a better fan with different reasons for liking him, of course.

 
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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 16 November 2016 - 03:45 AM)
Yes, sorry dad, I guess I must have. Focused on what he did like, not what he (occasionally) ranted or preached about. He liked hockey, good food, travel, tech, and the out of doors. Gun were a part of the series, whether he gave his stamp of approval or not. That's enough for me. If, it turns out, that he was some kind of Patron Saint for an emerging anti-gun lobby, and those who worshipped would not have done so had he carried a firearm .... then I would be surprised but not shocked in this day and age. smile.gif

If he'd liked to use guns, I would have got to mid-November 2016 just thinking, "Oh, yeah, this was on TV when I was in my teens and early 20s, and now it's on one of many, many TV channels. May as well have it on in the background. If I can't find anything else to watch." I certainly wouldn't be on this forum.

 
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'Carrying' a gun to protect yourself, friends and colleagues in a high risk industry does not have to mean that you would prefer killing over incapacitating thy enemy. He could easily have carried a gun for clever diversions, ruses, expedited sos', wilderness substance, and never wounded another human. That would be okay. Indiana Jones carried a gun but improvised much of the time with his whip & wit - he shot one bad guy with his revolver and that the whole world laughed at. biggrin.gif

 
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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 16 November 2016 - 04:05 AM)
'Carrying' a gun to protect yourself, friends and colleagues in a high risk industry does not have to mean that you would prefer killing over incapacitating thy enemy. He could easily have carried a gun for clever diversions, ruses, expedited sos', wilderness substance, and never wounded another human. That would be okay.

I am not disputing any of your statement. I will consider my previous comment and think about whether to retract it (not delete it or edit it because then the discussion wouldn't make sense to anyone reading it) and make a different comment that reflects my views more accurately.

 
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QUOTE (Frog @ 14 November 2016 - 06:44 PM)
Just came across this while browsing...
A lot of points that we are making here.

http://www.tvovermind.com/tv-news/10-reaso...yver-better-one

I can't agree more with this. I know I'm being biased, but I have to admit it... after giving the reboot a fair shot, it's just not the original. I'm pretty sure RDA is the reason why. Sure, the guy may not have been a rocket scientist, but he had personality...

As far as the deep-seated pain, that was pretty obvious he was carrying around some emotional baggage from the guilt of losing his grandmother, father, mother and Jessie. I don't think Mike's death helped either. Not to mention the deaths of other loved ones, and many betrayals.

Honestly, this not only makes him more relatable, but also makes him more human.

Just because he has some baggage doesn't mean he can't be optimistic and cheerful. It's all about mindset.

 
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Having thought about it a little, I have come to the conclusion that I can't see a reason why Mac would take a gun into the wilderness (assuming he wasn't anticipating encountering Bad Guys). In terms of survival, he would have found another way of frightening off bears, etc, if he needed to.

And we never saw him try to capture any birds or mammals to eat.

Let me try and be very clear about this, 'cos I'm not saying he was vegetarian. He clearly wasn't.

We know that he came from a hunting background. As a child, he made a duck decoy for his grandfather ("Target: MacGyver"). We know that his grandfather also hunted "game" - there is a reference to how animals tended not to look down when they were running in an episode with a water clock and a boat. I don't think there's anything that makes us think that the adult Mac had any inclination to trap animals.

We know he ate chicken, lizard and whatever was in that stew when he was on assignment.

We know that, beyond one reference to fishing being "violent" in "Humanity", he had no problem with eating fish. Caught them as recreation, caught fish in the great outdoors on trips, cooked them at home. Or tried to cook them.

What we don't have is any evidence that when he was being an outdoorsman, travelling light, living off the land, he would have wanted to shoot animals. Kill and eat fish, yes, kill lizards and other small reptiles for food, yes, probably kill a whole lot of edible insects (although we can't be sure). Take eggs from nests and cook them - probably.

We know from "Blood Brothers" that he has some issues with killing birds. Not to the point of never eating them, but definitely some kind of issue.

In conclusion, even if things had gone differently in "Blood Brothers", and Jesse had never died, and Mac had never had a problem with guns ... there's still a strong case for saying that when he was living off the land, he wouldn't have used a gun to shoot birds or mammals in order to eat them.


 
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There's also the age thing. Most of us original series fans were younger than Mac, first time around. Now that has flip-flopped. This is not a make or break characteristic, but this was an air/authority to the old Mac's age/voice/demeanor that Till cannot possibly light a candle to. Same thing has happened in hockey, I just can't view the players of today in the same light as when I was younger and more impressionable fan. The players are big, stronger, and faster today but there is a softness too them that has crept into the game & society. I watched one player interviewed not long ago that had to cut his talk short because he had a Justin Bieber concert to go to. unsure.gif surprise.gif doh.gif

 
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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 17 November 2016 - 01:57 AM)
As far as the deep-seated pain, that was pretty obvious he was carrying around some emotional baggage from the guilt of losing his grandmother, father, mother and Jessie. I don't think Mike's death helped either. Not to mention the deaths of other loved ones, and many betrayals.

But that "deep-seated pain" only appeared in a few episodes of the original, and only when it served the plot. He always got over it by the end of the episode.
The reboot did the exact same thing, actually, when we saw him struggling with his guilt over the death of his mentor in the bomb episode, and we also saw him going through some angst about his relationship with his father.
And while it's true that we saw more instances of Mac struggling with pain in the original series, that's because the show had 7 seasons to show it. This reboot has had less than half a season so far. It would be a pretty depressing show if they managed to cram as much heartache into half a season as the original did into 7 seasons.


 
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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 17 November 2016 - 02:26 AM)
There's also the age thing. Most of us original series fans were younger than Mac, first time around. Now that has flip-flopped. This is not a make or break characteristic, but this was an air/authority to the old Mac's age/voice/demeanor that Till cannot possibly light a candle to.

Very true. This bothered me from the moment they announced who would be playing Mac. He just looked too much like a kid for me to take him seriously as a top-secret government agent. I wish they had gone with somebody closer to 40 years old.


 
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Yes, there is a certain age line that one crosses and determined by having 'lived life' that becomes written on your face and entwined in your movements and gestures and which somehow telegraphs your curriculum vitae and vocational experience. For some it's 35, some 40, others 45. RDA had this going easily .... but ya gotta take a leap of faith and buy into this for a few hundred bucks with Till's portrayal.

 
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QUOTE (Miasma @ 16 November 2016 - 09:41 AM)
QUOTE (Jediferret @ 17 November 2016 - 01:57 AM)
As far as the deep-seated pain, that was pretty obvious he was carrying around some emotional baggage from the guilt of losing his grandmother, father, mother and Jessie.† I don't think Mike's death helped either.† Not to mention the deaths of other loved ones, and many betrayals.

But that "deep-seated pain" only appeared in a few episodes of the original, and only when it served the plot. He always got over it by the end of the episode.
The reboot did the exact same thing, actually, when we saw him struggling with his guilt over the death of his mentor in the bomb episode, and we also saw him going through some angst about his relationship with his father.
And while it's true that we saw more instances of Mac struggling with pain in the original series, that's because the show had 7 seasons to show it. This reboot has had less than half a season so far. It would be a pretty depressing show if they managed to cram as much heartache into half a season as the original did into 7 seasons.

Well, you asked if anyone other than author saw Mac that way. All I said was that Mac had some emotional baggage, which he did. MOST people have emotional baggage of some sort, and Mac definitely had some... otherwise he wouldn't have the fear of commitment that he did.

My conclusion is based on my experiences with my close guy friends. Many of them acted like they were okay until they got home, then they sulked.

The problem with the reboot is that the angst and drama is anticlimactic. It feels forced and unrealistic.

I'm not saying that I want MacGyver crying his eyes out in every episode, or crying at all... but there is a big difference in the actor's believability. I don't think this is Lucas' fault either as I actually like him as MacGyver. I just want him to be able to shine a bit more in the role. I believe script and directing is the problem at this point. =P

New Jack: I can't do my thing if I'm worried about losing you every minute!
Old Mac: Stop behaving like a grandmother.

I think RDA's snarkiness also makes a big difference. I loved him in Stargate because his one-liners are hilarious.

 
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QUOTE (Joe SAKic @ 16 November 2016 - 06:26 AM)
There's also the age thing. Most of us original series fans were younger than Mac, first time around. Now that has flip-flopped. This is not a make or break characteristic, but this was an air/authority to the old Mac's age/voice/demeanor that Till cannot possibly light a candle to. Same thing has happened in hockey, I just can't view the players of today in the same light as when I was younger and more impressionable fan. The players are big, stronger, and faster today but there is a softness too them that has crept into the game & society. I watched one player interviewed not long ago that had to cut his talk short because he had a Justin Bieber concert to go to. unsure.gif surprise.gif doh.gif

I think RDA brought the exactly the right balance of hardness and softness to MacG.gif ...

 
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QUOTE (RadiantRose @ 16 November 2016 - 10:20 AM)
Having thought about it a little, I have come to the conclusion that I can't see a reason why Mac would take a gun into the wilderness (assuming he wasn't anticipating encountering Bad Guys).† In terms of survival, he would have found another way of frightening off bears, etc, if he needed to.†

And we never saw him try to capture any birds or mammals to eat.

Let me try and be very clear about this, 'cos I'm not saying he was vegetarian.† He clearly wasn't.† †

We know that he came from a hunting background.† As a child, he made a duck decoy for his grandfather ("Target: MacGyver").† We know that his grandfather also hunted "game" - there is a reference to how animals tended not to look down when they were running in an episode with a water clock and a boat.† I don't think there's anything that makes us think that the adult Mac had any inclination to trap animals.†

We know he ate chicken, lizard and whatever was in that stew when he was on assignment.

We know that, beyond one reference to fishing being "violent" in "Humanity", he had no problem with eating fish.† Caught them as recreation, caught fish in the great outdoors on trips, cooked them at home.† Or tried to cook them.†

What we don't have is any evidence that when he was being an outdoorsman, travelling light, living off the land, he would have wanted to shoot animals.† Kill and eat fish, yes, kill lizards and other small reptiles for food, yes, probably kill a whole lot of edible insects (although we can't be sure).† Take eggs from nests and cook them - probably.† †

We know from "Blood Brothers" that he has some issues with killing birds.† Not to the point of never eating them, but definitely some kind of issue.

In conclusion, even if things had gone differently in "Blood Brothers", and Jesse had never died, and Mac had never had a problem with guns ... there's still a strong case for saying that when he was living off the land, he wouldn't have used a gun to shoot birds or mammals in order to eat them.

Well, Mac was a bit superhuman and had nine lives to boot. Nothing wrong with using a gun to kill an animal and in order to sustain oneself in a dire or life-threatening situation. So many carnivores in the animal world; hawks, eagles, crows, tigers, lions, bears, etc, etc. but more & more nowadays and in the Peta-sized world, if a human does it - it's classified as total taboo. Not condoning trophy hunting, any kind of bait hunting or even decoy hunting of ducks, or the archaic, middle-ages fox hunting protocol ... but one on one, mano a mano hunting for sustenance is just basic animal nature, and does more to perpetuate a species, than it does any harm.

 
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I am not against anyone killing to survive. And if I were going anywhere where I might encounter a bear, I might take a gun with me (but this scenario is unlikely to happen).

However, a lot of time people seem to come up with stuff about animals "giving their lives to sustain us" when they don't actually need to eat the animal to survive.

That is my personal opinion. I am aware that my opinion does not coincide with Mac's or RDA's.

 
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I walk through dense bear country all the time without a gun. The only bears that are really dangerous are those that get too accustomed to humans and of course any sows with cubs. The rest don't want anything to do with you(I've only come face to face with 3 in a lifetime in the woods) and I do carry a whistle for any potential springtime encounters. You can also easily smell areas with heavy bear activity .... and so to avoid or take precaution. They really stink and especially on wet, damp days. Peee ewwww!!!! blink.gif

As for sustaining yourself in the wilderness ..... in winter .... true, you don't 'need' a gun ... but it sure helps ... unless you're really into spruce needle tea or the inner barks/sap of select trees .... good for a few days but the tummy is gonna start getting a bit growly after that! biggrin.gif

 
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I own several rifles and shotguns and grew up shooting, but I've found that the older I get, the more I enjoy "primitive" weapons, and get a real kick out of actually hitting a target I've set up with one of them! Probably my favorite is the traditional bow followed by the sling shot. My son has used an Atlatl for several years and I've enjoyed slinging arrows with him. Like Joe, we've a lot of bears around here but rarely do they make an appearance. Usually when they do, it's only for a minute then off they go into the woods and obscurity. Typically, if a bear does attract, it's thru an error made by someone that just doesn't know what they've gotten into.

 
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