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Posted: 21 April 2021 - 03:10 AM                                    
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QUOTE (Jediferret @ 19 April 2021 - 04:48 PM)
Honestly, in my opinion, the show would be better off it was picked up by like... Netflix or something. CBS isn't known for showing much love to the MacGyver franchise, even with the original. =P

CBS has always been bad with these things I recall the original Star Trek had similar issues and that is their biggest money maker...

Any word yet on cbs reversing their decision?



 
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Wasnít surprised. Once Jack left, the show lost its way..

Not meaning to sound disrespectful, but Lucas wasnít an actor who could command a screen presence as a lead actor. Those that remember RDA, from the OG show, will understand what I mean. I would add however, that Lucas worked extremely hard over the seasons, and grew into his leading role. But that said, the first and second season worked because of the great double act of Lucas and George.

Where it lost it way... was in the writing. George Eads character overnight went from being the cool muscle man to Incompetent and stupid Ross Gellagher from Friends (season 4 & onwards) with no clear direction. I sensed in season 2, Eads resisting his character going in this direction, and ultimately decided to leave because, he didnít like his silly character role.

Also, the show had no clear direction. Season 1 was mysterious alright, the setup to looking for Macís dad. That was good. But, Seasons 2 the writers setup all these clues, to eventually have the audience learn Daddy was never missing at all but actually working and running the Phoenix (where Mac works). I have to admit, I felt like Mac, when he left annoyed at end of season 2. Cos I had invested all this time in that mystery - and there was this anti-climax at end.

But for me, I got peeíd off when they kept killing off all the great characters (The Ghost, Jill, Helmen, Aunty Gwen, I could go on). Murdoc was even a disappointment. Loved the actor, but he wasnít ever menacing enough or seen to be murderous (like Micheal des barres OG version). I also hated (HATED) that he was always captured 3 out 4 times, by phoenix.

As soon as I heard CSI: Vegas had been green-lit. I was convinced MacGyver was going to be axed.

They will rest the show now for approx 5 to 10 years now, and reboot it again. And the sad things is, they wonít have learnít from these mistakes.



 
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This reboot was supposed to be about a 20 something home from war, not a 35-40 year old established character. (Lucas even said if Peter wanted a 35 yr old he should have hired one) Personally, I loved how Lucas and George worked together, and how this MacGyver was developing. It was a sad day when George left. I think Desi was poorly introduced, and seemed to be contrary to the family feels of the show. I blame the original showrunner for the direction the show took. He never really cared imo and turned it over to Matalas S4. He also wanted that triangle which was not necessary.

For me, Lucas is MacGyver, (to be fair I've not seen the og) and I do believe if given the chance, Monica would have done a lot of positive things with the characters. I think CBS treated the show poorly, and the fans disrespectfully. They could have announced a midseason final season to wrap things up, instead of 3 weeks before the end and dare use words like respect. It's baffling, because MacGyver is the most diverse before and behind the camera with decent ratings for Friday especially. CBS should stop giving lip service to inclusion. But then, the network is so proud of itself the next NCIS will have a female lead. I wonder how many NCIS and FBI shows there ultimately will be



 
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I have total respect for fans on this new show. I saw a few episodes and realized it was not for me. That is fine. All the old episodes still exist. Itís always disappointing when a show we like is canceled but it happens all the time.

I pop in here once in a while to see what is happening with the show. Curious if anything would motivate me to watch. Even just an episode or two. Have no idea why CBS cancelled the show.

But I just want to be blunt - Television is often is very disrespectful to its fans. Maybe the worst media format in how it treats fans. This is nothing new. You watch a show and get attached to its characters. Maybe for year after year...

Than they cancel shows. With no warning or reason. No Obligation to resolve story. Than they move on to new shows. It really sucks! I have been there. Too many of my favorite shows were canceled. Even with cliffhangers with that are never resolved.

I am not at all trying be a jerk. But I would waste time try to figure out theirs reasons. My minor speculation is the pandemic actually gave it longer life than if that did not happen. They stuck with existing shows because it would be harder to launch new series in the middle. Often series are cancelled because networks think the ratings have hit a plateau. Meaning no significant change. It road on name recognition in first few years. Ratings lowered, happens to most shows. Now the network is greedy and wants to see if something else will do better than core fan base.

I know a lot about the CW shows. Supergirl moved from CBS because it had the same producer Greg Berlanti as the other superhero shows on CW, Arrow and The Flash. It probably should have been there all along. But even than doing that meant the show had to move production from Los Angeles to Vancouver. Also lost Calista Flockhart as a regular cast member. She did not want to move away from her family to Canada. I could never imagine that happening with Macgyver. Especially now. Any American actor who guests on a show produced in Canada needs to be in quarantine for 2 weeks once they arrive before working. Imagine doing that with a whole cast and crew. Even if offered some might not want to move at all.

Good luck. Maybe a I am wrong. Networks like to try new things and throw out current shows to do it. That is how they have always operated.



 
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QUOTE (RYERSON @ 21 April 2021 - 04:40 PM)
Where it lost it way... was in the writing. George Eads character overnight went from being the cool muscle man to Incompetent and stupid Ross Gellagher from Friends (season 4 & onwards) with no clear direction. I sensed in season 2, Eads resisting his character going in this direction, and ultimately decided to leave because, he didnít like his silly character role.

Um, Eads left because he didn't wanted to be away from his family for so long. It had nothing to do with the show as far as i know.



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I think publicly the reason was George wanted to be with his daughter. Interesting that as soon as he left he went to Korea to make a film (Gensari I believe with Megan Fox). There were also rumors of on set arguments, whether with writers or Peter I dont know, and he apparently stormed off one day before filming was done. In any case, there were problems on set, and I'm sure we will never know the whole story. Whatever the case, the bromance left with him.



 
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Also he did the same with the original CSI (departing out the blue), for whatever reason was used that time. So he has a history of hauling tail mid-season.



 
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QUOTE (BabyEinstein @ 23 April 2021 - 01:59 AM)
I think publicly the reason was George wanted to be with his daughter. Interesting that as soon as he left he went to Korea to make a film (Gensari I believe with Megan Fox)..

I doubt filming in Korea is put together that fast. He must have been attached for quite some time and CBS was informed. I think he filmed his scenes in less than a week. With his reduced schedule in Season 3 (missing out every 4th episode), he must have planned it that way and it would have worked out fine.



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Guess it's too late to have an "FBI/MacGyver" tie-in episode. Seems like the FBI would find Phoenix's resources quite helpful.



 
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QUOTE (Slater @ 23 April 2021 - 05:49 PM)
Guess it's too late to have an "FBI/MacGyver" tie-in episode. Seems like the FBI would find Phoenix's resources quite helpful.

I couldn't see that. The tiein shows with Mac worked because they were in the lenkoverse. Those 27963 FBI shows they have now are on an island somewhere creatively.



 
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QUOTE (Slater @ 24 April 2021 - 12:49 AM)
Guess it's too late to have an "FBI/MacGyver" tie-in episode. Seems like the FBI would find Phoenix's resources quite helpful.

In theory, they could still write in one of the characters (similar to H50-actor Jorge Garcia showing up as his H50-character in Episode 5x08), but I doubt they would do that. I think the Magnum writers room is the only one that would bother because they had their offices right next to each other and some of them are friends with each other.



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QUOTE (Macgyver12186 @ 21 April 2021 - 11:10 PM)
QUOTE (Jediferret @ 19 April 2021 - 04:48 PM)
Honestly, in my opinion, the show would be better off it was picked up by like... Netflix or something.† CBS isn't known for showing much love to the MacGyver franchise, even with the original. =P

CBS has always been bad with these things I recall the original Star Trek had similar issues and that is their biggest money maker...


The original Star Trek was on NBC. CBS had nothing to do with its cancellation.

That was in the 1960s. Star Trek was produced by Desilu Productions but aired on NBC. It was not until later Desilu was sold and became part of Paramount Television. Which eventually merged with CBS. At a certain point of all the television shows owned by this combination of many different companies became labeled ďCBSĒ and under their control.

Itís more complicated than even that and very confusing. Perfect example is the original Macgyver it aired on ABC. Back than it was very common for networks to air shows produced by outside studios. Not producing most of the series they aired themselves. But now that there has been all these corporate mergers - everything in the Entertainment business is owned by a small number of companies. So now the networks air stuff that they mostly own. Even if they have no history with its predecessor.

CBS had no history with MacGyver before current version . Itís just a property it owns because the original was produced by Paramount Television. Unlike Hawaii Five-O and Magnum PI whose original shows did air CBS. So those remakes are more at home.

No offense to fans of this new show - that is part of the reason many of the fans of the original show had a hard time excepting it. CBS had no history with MacGyver. They took something they bought and changed it to match the styles of their other shows. Having no history with the show probably partially explains its cancellation too. They have no loyalty to it.



 
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QUOTE (Avilos @ 22 April 2021 - 04:34 AM)
Good luck. Maybe a I am wrong. Networks like to try new things and throw out current shows to do it. That is how they have always operated.

CBS has a lot of older and expensive shows. CBS cancelling NCIS: NO while setting up NCIS: Hawaii suggests cost cutting since it's essentially the same show with a presumably cheaper cast in a cheaper location.

According to Deadline, the NCIS: LA renewal hinged on renewing leading actor contracts aka take a pay cut or be cancelled. SEAL Team not being renewed yet suggests they are haggling with pay cuts there as well.

Also, lower-rated shows that were renewed (e.g. SWAT) are co-financed by another network. Magnum PI has a bigger audience, but the demo ratings is basically the same as MacGyver. It's also co-financed.

Generally, it seems like CBS is more willing to axe shows that are produced in-house if they don't get a golden syndication deal (e.g. Scorpion).

While Justin Hires said CBS told them MacGyver was cancelled due to financial reasons, there's still the possibility of CBS simply axing it because now it doesn't look as suspicious as if they had axed it directly after the Lenkov debacle - especially with Bull being renewed despite CBS paying 10 millions to keep a harrassment scandal under wraps (that came out anyway). With those 10 millions, they could have paid another 5 episodes for MacGyver. It also implicitly states that you get punished for standing up against bullying.

Shows get cancelled all the time, but it's a bitter pill in MacGyver's case; no matter if you're a fan of the show or not.



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I love Macgyver both new and old the pain here is there is no silver lining and before someone says oh we will get a reboot in ten years I have been following Mac and the creation of this show for a while

In 2000 we had the first rumors of a macgyver movie
In 2003 we got the rumbling confirmation and casting of Macgyver 2003 (known here as young Macgyver) but then nothing the pilot has been leaked but the show was never picked up
2004-2015 we had so many false hopes we had 2 decent commercials and a great comic book series (and a decent mobile game) but that is it

Until one fall day when a writer from NCIS was apparently going to write a new Macgyver show with I believe Peter Lenkov producing and then it came too the show we have now


Honestly I donít want to go back to the development hell that we had to trudge through in those years of nothing

Again if we had
The original series 1985-1992
TV movies 1994-1996 (yes I know only two were done in 94 but I would love a third one in 96 with murdoc as the villain)
Macgyver 2003-2008 (sequel series with Jared Paladacki as Clay Macgyver
Macgyver 2016-2021 (reboot series)

Along with a series of novels comic books and video games

Yeah I would be sad but we would be taking about the new novel or the new video game or thinking yeah we will get another eventually or maybe a movie for once with Lucas as Mac


But no we had development hell really from 1995-2016 that is 21 years guys I donít want to be in my 50ís when the next macgyver comes out (34 now)



 
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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 24 April 2021 - 08:40 AM)
QUOTE (Avilos @ 22 April 2021 - 04:34 AM)
Good luck. Maybe a I am wrong. Networks like to try new things and throw out current shows to do it. That is how they have always operated.

CBS has a lot of older and expensive shows. CBS cancelling NCIS: NO while setting up NCIS: Hawaii suggests cost cutting since it's essentially the same show with a presumably cheaper cast in a cheaper location.

According to Deadline, the NCIS: LA renewal hinged on renewing leading actor contracts aka take a pay cut or be cancelled. SEAL Team not being renewed yet suggests they are haggling with pay cuts there as well.

Also, lower-rated shows that were renewed (e.g. SWAT) are co-financed by another network. Magnum PI has a bigger audience, but the demo ratings is basically the same as MacGyver. It's also co-financed.

Generally, it seems like CBS is more willing to axe shows that are produced in-house if they don't get a golden syndication deal (e.g. Scorpion).

While Justin Hires said CBS told them MacGyver was cancelled due to financial reasons, there's still the possibility of CBS simply axing it because now it doesn't look as suspicious as if they had axed it directly after the Lenkov debacle - especially with Bull being renewed despite CBS paying 10 millions to keep a harrassment scandal under wraps (that came out anyway). With those 10 millions, they could have paid another 5 episodes for MacGyver. It also implicitly states that you get punished for standing up against bullying.

Shows get cancelled all the time, but it's a bitter pill in MacGyver's case; no matter if you're a fan of the show or not.

Not to mention CBS KNOWS how to fight for a series.

Recently, the Equalizer franchise with Denzel was trending alot, that might have to do with viewers thinking he was the better one at the franchise over Queen Latifah's version. All of a sudden the promo for her's got turned up several notches as of late on social media. The results of whatever unsatisfactory standing it has is directly tied to their efforts at CBS



 
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This is a shame.

It took me a while to get into, and in the finish I had to accept it was a different show, there was no other way around it these were different characters. The hardest character to accept the change to, I felt, was Jack. He went from a character in TOS that cropped up every now and then and appeared rather bumbling at times, to a mainstream, hands-on character of skill and talent. Some of the females in the TOS were often a bit a comic afterthought too - after-all there was no 'Penny' in the new show. Females in the reboot were talented, stand on their own two feet, modern written female leads. The show also had a totally modern feel.

The difference between the TOS and the reboot was almost like the difference between the music of the Beatles in the 1960's and modern music - if you listen to the general 'feel' of the different music genres early music almost sounds 'empty' as though there is not as much going on - there are less instruments involved and less notes being played, the earlier music almost feels less complex than more recent material. There is the same difference IMO in the two MacGyver shows. RDA's shows seem to have less going on in every shot, some of the new shows have been very complex in comparison (a bit like a CGI superhero movie assaulting the senses) in terms of what goes on in each shot visually. I guess it was done to cater for modern audience expectation. For me, this made comparisons very different, and I don't think it is fair to compare the two shows. Whilst I've been enjoying the new shows I've found that many of the episodes have been very difficult to follow with such fast paced action and different locations and some have taken more than one viewing to work out the entire storyline. This was never the case with TOS. Which I think I still prefer.

However, I can't deny that I've enjoyed the new shows, to the point that we've seen them in the UK the cast seem to have gelled (after the initial getting used to each other that every new show goes through). The cast have given it their all, its been slick, well done and I was more impressed than I expected to be. It would have been nice for the writers to have had the cancellation predicted much more in advance though so they could have wrapped up story lines - it's never good when things end abruptly (think the new Knight Rider series - so many loose ends there). I hope for the fans and actors that the producers relent and give us a few more episodes at least to do that, but I must admit, when it was first proposed I did wonder whether as a concept it would even last more than one or two series, so to go to five it exceeded my expectation of the concept of rebooting such a legend. To me its a different show, but has proved more than enjoyable despite my expectations and I'm sorry to hear it's been shelved without giving everyone at least a chance to tie up loose ends.



 
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It must be hard for those involved can't really say what they wanna say

looks like the contracts are up; considering the main cast started posting about it? hmm.bmp



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QUOTE (DashboardOnFire @ 29 April 2021 - 05:43 PM)
QUOTE (real_ness @ 29 April 2021 - 09:33 PM)
It must be hard for those involved can't really say what they wanna say

looks like the contracts are up; considering the main cast started posting about it? hmm.bmp

Something else lasted one season was tristin and jesse lol. I'm sure them being together got him the cameo. They were done by the time it aired, now they're not even friends anymore.



 
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Something else lasted one season was tristin and jesse lol. I'm sure them being together got him the cameo. They were done by the time it aired, now they're not even friends anymore.

Casting is a time-consuming process; so it's pretty much standard for the cast and crew recommending other actors and crew members to come on board.

I'm sure Frank Whaley (1x14) got the part because Lucas worked with him on "Monsters Truck". Same goes for Mike Milligan, who is friends and lives with Lucas in the same house. He might also had the idea to get Robert Patrick (5x08). Lance Gross (Billy Colton) has been friends with Tristin for years before he got the role. And Peter Weller (Mason/Director) is best friends with Lenkov.

I find Kate Bond (Jill) getting a recurring role much more questionable, even though she did a good job - she is married to David Slack, one of the writers/producers (Seasons 1-2). As soon as he got dropped, her character got killed. Coincidence? I doubt it.



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QUOTE (real_ness @ 30 April 2021 - 11:36 AM)
Something else lasted one season was tristin and jesse lol. I'm sure them being together got him the cameo. They were done by the time it aired, now they're not even friends anymore.

Casting is a time-consuming process; so it's pretty much standard for the cast and crew recommending other actors and crew members to come on board.

I'm sure Frank Whaley (1x14) got the part because Lucas worked with him on "Monsters Truck". Same goes for Mike Milligan, who is friends and lives with Lucas in the same house. He might also had the idea to get Robert Patrick (5x08). Lance Gross (Billy Colton) has been friends with Tristin for years before he got the role. And Peter Weller (Mason/Director) is best friends with Lenkov.

I find Kate Bond (Jill) getting a recurring role much more questionable, even though she did a good job - she is married to David Slack, one of the writers/producers (Seasons 1-2). As soon as he got dropped, her character got killed. Coincidence? I doubt it.

In the same house he lives in with his wife and family?



 
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QUOTE (real_ness @ 30 April 2021 - 02:06 PM)
In the same house he lives in with his wife and family?

as far as I know, Lucas and his brother Nick live with their friend Mike Milligan in the same house and neither of them are married or have kids...

but it's not like I'm in the know since I'm not friends with them tongue.gif



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QUOTE (Slater @ 30 April 2021 - 06:58 PM)
I guess "Phoenix" is appropriate biggrin.gif

yes hehe.

there should be one up in Atlanta soon. would be cool if Lucas got to see it in "real life" instead of on a photo.



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