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| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 2 November 2006 - 06:36 PM |
| Every week I will be posting a new topic titled "Episode Discussion". In this we will discuss an episode, what we liked about it, what we didn't like, etc. Episode 25 - twice stung MacGyver and Thornton devise an elaborate sting operation to get back the life savings of a friend who was swindled by a dangerous con artist. (First use of the term “MacGyverism) |
| Posted by: Macs Lab Rat 8 November 2006 - 11:37 AM | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Votes as of 26th of March 2006 Poor [ 2 ] [18.18%] Average [ 0 ] [0.00%] OK [ 1 ] [9.09%] Good [ 2 ] [18.18%] Excellent [ 6 ] [54.55%] Total Votes: 11 Archived comments
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| Posted by: Tygr 24 April 2007 - 08:04 PM |
| In the final part of the "sting," it looks like the plan is falling apart because of the sheer pandemonium, but then it all comes together, and you realize that Mac had everything under control from the beginning. Awesome! |
| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 24 April 2007 - 11:18 PM |
| Yeah I like the plot twists in this episode. I actually think Jenny's chance pulled it off better, but this is still a good episode.  |
| Posted by: victorinox 17 May 2007 - 08:22 AM |
| great episode. so many twists and turns. and unlike most people here, i liked the geeky blonde named joanne. blondes are usually portrayed as dumb. but here is a blonde who wrote a major research paper (i forgot on what). |
| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 12 May 2008 - 11:59 PM | ||
The effects of peroxide on brain cells?  |
| Posted by: androgyny 5 June 2008 - 07:28 AM |
| because i was very entertained throughout this ep, i voted excellent. love hearing "macgyverism" for the first time. love the mac/pete team. love the scene of how angry mac was about the suicide attempt. love mac's outfit at the surprise party and at the police station. |
| Posted by: Liz1976 22 June 2008 - 05:35 AM |
| She wrote a research paper I believe on bunko scams---and was helping them research sting operations. |
| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 22 June 2008 - 11:16 PM |
| huh? |
| Posted by: Liz1976 23 June 2008 - 04:33 AM |
| Joanne-- Victorinox said that it was unclear in the episode what Joanne did her research paper on--bunko scams |
| Posted by: MacGyverOnline 23 June 2008 - 03:57 PM |
| oh |
| Posted by: annemjj 26 June 2008 - 12:12 PM |
I voted EXCELLENT because, my favorite quote "Macgyverisms" is in it. He also look very good in the white clothes + the fedora, which reminds me of Michael Jackson's music video Smooth Criminal, and I love MJ as much as MacGyver. The whole episode is very good!! Excellent, Excellent!!  |
| Posted by: Miasma 13 February 2009 - 07:39 AM | ||||
So THAT explains why Mac stopped doing so many scientific MacGyverisms in the later season!!!  |
| Posted by: Murdoc12 25 March 2009 - 12:34 PM | ||
I totally agree with that Rocky. This one was good, but Jenny's Chance was better. |
| Posted by: Beachbead 20 April 2009 - 09:25 AM |
| Loved this one because of the word. MacGyverism |
| Posted by: aatgmac 20 April 2009 - 12:01 PM |
| Loved this because of Macgyverism and Pete stangling Mac hehe. |
| Posted by: Hannibal_Smith 25 February 2011 - 11:43 AM |
| Money line from the beginning of the episode: "I don't like going to people with my problems." "You don't go to people with your problems. You come see your friends." "Well you don't always remember that!" "Yeah. I know." So true... |
| Posted by: Makedde 8 April 2011 - 11:27 PM |
| It was okay. Some of the images looked to be very poor quality though, when Mac and that guy (his friend who got robbed or whatever) were in his house talking I thought there must have been something wrong with the camera because the color looked all wrong, then it cleared up. I was surprised to see that Mac had a white tank top on under his shirt. Very nice, hehe. |
| Posted by: NightTinkerer 22 August 2012 - 03:41 PM |
| This episode has its upsides... and its downsides. Sometimes, RDA seems to have a problem with anger--on many occasions when he's supposed to be upset over something, it just doesn't convince me. This time, however, he looks genuinely agitated when yelling at Kelly. Joanne *could* have been an interesting character. I thought her pictures were quite unique, ("I'm always photographing strange things when I'm angry" ) but I just couldn't STAND her attitude. She was supposed to be a professional, but in general, she seemed very immature and represented every common prejudice you could possibly have against women in this line of profession. Ugggh.  The MacGyverisms (actually even referred to as "MacGyverisms" in this episode! ) were interesting, though, and the box exchange at the police station was high class entertainment.  Voting "Good", but could have been an "Excellent" had it not been for Joanne's attitude. |
| Posted by: GoldenHawk 20 November 2012 - 04:57 AM |
| More of a technical remark, but I especially like the directorial touch at the end with the 360º camera swerve right before MacGyver discards the hat - followed by the iris shot as the episode ends. Incredibly cool stuff! |
| Posted by: Mela_007 20 November 2012 - 06:28 AM |
| I thought this episode was good and I really liked the acting by RDA during the scene with Kelly!! I was annoyed by Joanne too, partly by her attitude and partly by the way she was portrayed. Being in a science field, I appreciate when female characters are not always portrayed as either the dizzy blonde or the glasses wearing nerd. I know times and attitudes were different back then, but they did good in most of the episodes I have seen (I am still catching up, haven't got my dvd set yet). This includes the pilot, where the female scientist is actually extremely sharp and can think on her feet too. I agree they did a better job with the 'sting' in Jenny's Chance. |
| Posted by: KiwiTek 20 November 2012 - 01:53 PM | ||||
Yes I've noticed that as well. For me it's particularly apparent when he has to raise his voice. I'm thinking of the Final Approach episode where the kids are fighting and he jumps in the middle of them, when I say that, but I know I have noticed it in other episodes to. I think the only really convincing anger scene he did was in the Challenge after Booker is killed and he confronts Larson about it ready to beat him senseless.
This is the episode that coined the term. It's where it all started. Right there in that scene. |
| Posted by: KiwiTek 29 November 2012 - 04:29 PM |
| I just watched this episode again. I think it has to be one of my favorites. There's just so much fun and humor going on all the time. Very entertaining. This ones gets an excellent from me. |
| Posted by: Scwilson 8 August 2013 - 09:25 PM |
 another good episode seeing Mac and Pete in the field this time helping a friend con a con artist. We also learn where the term Macgyverism came from. They were them best in this episode. |
| Posted by: John Litteral 28 January 2014 - 06:41 PM |
| Joanna was nice looking to say the least! I love Pete's acting real well in this episode, playing the hot-head! |
| Posted by: kristiina86halonen 22 February 2014 - 02:53 AM |
| [QUOTE=KiwiTek,21 November 2012 - 09:53 AM] [QUOTE=NightTinkerer,23 August 2012 - 12:44 PM] Sometimes, RDA seems to have a problem with anger--on many occasions when he's supposed to be upset over something, it just doesn't convince me. [/QUOTE] Yes I've noticed that as well. For me it's particularly apparent when he has to raise his voice. I'm thinking of the Final Approach episode where the kids are fighting and he jumps in the middle of them, when I say that, but I know I have noticed it in other episodes to. I think the only really convincing anger scene he did was in the Challenge after Booker is killed and he confronts Larson about it ready to beat him senseless. _________________________ I don't think, there was any problem for RDA with acting anger. I think it's only part of the character - MacGyver didn't get real angry to anybody, except in Challenge. When I watched this scene in Challenge, my daughter said, "Whoo, MacGyver is SO angry! MacGyver can't be so angry!" So, even the child understood, that there was something wrong, when MacGyver was too angry. I said to her, that this bad guy was rea-a-ally bad, that's why MacGyver's got so angry. But about this episode: it's not one of my favourites, but I still voted it as Good, 'cause there is one of my favourite scenes - when they are in the office and Pete says, "Listen, I could get my head handed to me for getting into something like this", and Mac stands up and says, "Pete, guy...you're dying to do it, you know it", and the way like RDA hugs Dana and looks at him, there is so much real warmth in this scene, that it don't even seem like acting. |
| Posted by: MacGyverGod 22 February 2014 - 11:33 AM |
| I think it all depends on what you call being angry. Are you angry out of disappointment or desperation or aggression or out of setting someone straight. I think in this episode he was more like disappointed in Kelly for his suicide attempt. 'You don't go to other peoples with your problems, you come to your friends.' In The Challenge it was out of aggression. But I would've called that furious. It was a higher level of being angry. 'Why?! Why did you kill him?!' To me the best scene in which he gets angry is in The Gun with Breeze. I think RDA really nailed that scene. Just how he persuaded Breeze into telling who the killer was. He raised his voice at Breeze like I think he never did before to anyone else, the way he moved his arms when he told him how important it was to know who the killer was so that he could help him and how dangerous that gun was. I just like the way Mac stood there moving his arms and always placing them back on the car. And in the end they shake hands. Great scene. In Twenty Questions and Jerico Games there are I think more sudden bursts. When Mac tried to explain Lisa's problem to Eric. In the end Mac goes: 'Oh, Eric!' More out of annoying because he wasn't listening. And in Jerico Games it was more out of shock and because he was lied to. I like it how he had to call Ellen twice when they had to enter the incinerator. 'Ellen. Ellen! You're grudge is against me. Leave Nikolaï out of this. |
| Posted by: kristiina86halonen 23 February 2014 - 04:07 AM |
| There's a great acting of anger from RDA in Widowmaker, too. Anger from self-accusing, grief and frustration. These scenes at that cabin, first with Pete and then with Nikki, were quite creepy, 'cause you can't recognize MacGyver at all. |
| Posted by: MiracleMac 23 February 2014 - 05:50 AM |
In Gunz n' boys episode he yelled and sounded very angry when he yelled Brian's name and when he flip out about Brians attitude.  |
| Posted by: Barry Rowland 16 September 2015 - 02:49 PM |
I loved this show....it was great to see Pete and Mac working together on a theme that was different than the average. Loved "MacGyverisms" too!  |
| Posted by: Maclover 16 September 2015 - 10:57 PM |
| Did Mac and Pete T ever argue? NB. I'm still working through all the episodes. |
| Posted by: Barry Rowland 17 September 2015 - 12:36 AM |
| I wouldn't say argue, but they had heated disagreements! I'm still working my way thru, too. I'm on the Youtube plan |
| Posted by: Jediferret 17 September 2015 - 05:49 PM |
| They did have an argument in the beginning of Serenity. But it was more out of frustration than anger. How far along are you guys? |
| Posted by: Maclover 17 September 2015 - 11:01 PM |
| I reckon I must be a couple of series in. However, I think they have all been shown on UK TV. My box has recorded them, but I am short of viewing time and no end of the final moments have been missed by the series record - the DVD's are due for delivery any day now :-D |
| Posted by: Barry Rowland 18 September 2015 - 12:04 AM |
| Getting into Season 2 right now. I love watching them, and get an even bigger kick out of the fun my boys have watching them with me! Waaaay back when ABC aired them, I couldn't get ABC thru my television. I tried MacGyvering the aerial but it just didn't work, so I'm playing catch-up. |
| Posted by: Maclover 18 September 2015 - 09:27 AM |
| A complete boxed set of DVD's arrived today - 2nd hand, but they are mine, all mine!! :-D I also bought a new 55" TV and sound bar last week!! Now all I need to do is to MacGyver some time! |
| Posted by: Barry Rowland 18 September 2015 - 10:44 AM |
| You are so lucky!!!! I'm on the hunt for a set now....tell me about MacGyvering time...I know the feeling |
| Posted by: Maclover 18 September 2015 - 01:03 PM |
| Hi Barry, I picked up my set on ebay, apparently only lightly played so I took a chance on a Buy It Now. Just watched the first three, they are excellent - to go with the new TV I bought a matched DVD HD/Blue Ray player. We had only been watching the black box recorded ones previously, but I was halfway through when one of the kids walked in and didn't know what signal I was watching (they didn't know I had them on order or that anything had arrived). Child took one look at the TV and without hesitation announced - how come that's in HD? I had already though how much better the quality of the recordings were than the TV broadcast, that comment absolutely confirmed it. Actually the discs are not really HD (the box doesn't say so), but the quality is miles better than the TV. |
| Posted by: Barry Rowland 19 September 2015 - 01:17 AM |
| I've got to try that. I've a lead from the local library on some loaners from another library, but I want my own to enjoy at our leisure. Both my sons, ages 18 and 9, really enjoy Mac, and I think there's a lot to learn from the show. My oldest and I have a modest collection of SAK's and try to outdo one another in new, creative ways in using them! I have never used Blue Ray but have heard awesome things about the quality....I'd like to spring the surprise on them like you did! |
| Posted by: RadiantRose 4 December 2016 - 02:51 AM |
When Joanne is wondering what  is going to make out of her hair pins, ribbon, glasses and buttons ... And then when he rescues her and she says his name twice. The first "MacGyver" being one of surprise and relief, the next one ... well, I think that he should probably hang on to that white suit for a while. Or get a similar one. |
| Posted by: RadiantRose 21 May 2017 - 12:42 AM |
| "The woman really irritated me--she was like an annoying little kid! But I do like her reaction to MacGyver's white suit, the way she says, "MacGyver?" with a questioning, disgusted voice!" I heard it differently. I thought the first time she said it was questioning and the second time she was clearly saying he should dress like that more often. I don't know why he threw away the hat, as Joanne clearly liked it ... What annoyed me was the way Mac and Pete were all "you can't do this, it's for your own good". I assume because the writer found it more convenient for her to be kidnapped than to take an active part in the proceedings. But she wasn't scared or inept, so I found their patronising attitude to her rather baffling. If they had made a habit of it, I'd be really pissed off. Normally, if a woman says she knows it will be dangerous, Mac just accepts it. As he did with Spencer in the very first episode. Like in the episode when Tommy Giordano got kidnapped and Mac told Tommy's mum (Mary-Ruth?) that she had to find a way to distract the bad guys. In the episode where Mac dresses as a priest, he doesn't even warn the supposed call girl (who is out to avenge her sister's murder) that the assignment will be dangerous. So the way Joanne is told that she can't take part in the sting because she needs to be protected is not only irritating but also out of character for Mac. |
| Posted by: Hawk 10 September 2020 - 05:52 PM |
| Fun to watch, with some promising concepts thrown in, but ultimately not one of my favourites. I found Joanne a little too ditzy and unrealistic as a character in her line of work.. not too mention too self-knowing what with the “MacGyverism” quip which I reckon most people liked. I did like Kelly though I always have some trouble when they attempt to establish a novel and never-to-return character as an “old friend.” His predicament was interesting though. The plot felt a little too over-elaborate and the sting operation appeared dependent on a series of developments that I could never fully accept - I find it hard to believe that big shot Romanus would fall for any of that. I gave it a 3/5. A bit of a disappointment coming after the one-two punch of The Human Factor and The Eraser. |
| Posted by: sylvain1888 8 November 2020 - 12:36 PM |
| very very good episode in sight, no downtime, suspense and also a dose of humor, moreover Joanne is really motivated for her character ... I like this tied up scenario, just like the pink and blue shirt of Mac. In France the episode is titled "The Double Sting" and the term "MacGyverism" is not used here or in any other episode. 5 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ |
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