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Posted by: MacGyverOnline 8 November 2006 - 04:36 PM
Every week I will be posting a new topic titled "Episode Discussion". In this we will discuss an episode, what we liked about it, what we didn't like, etc.


Episode 59 - The Negotiator

When the builder of a new marina suspects MacGyver’s environmental-impact study will stop the project from going ahead. He hires a beautiful woman to either, buy him off, scare him off… or kill him off.

Posted by: Macs Lab Rat 9 November 2006 - 03:41 AM
votes from March 2006

Poor [ 0 ] [0.00%]
Average [ 0 ] [0.00%]
OK [ 1 ] [5.26%]
Good [ 1 ] [5.26%]
Excellent [ 17 ] [89.47%]
Total Votes: 19

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QUOTE (rockatteer Oct 16 2005 @ 02:08 PM )
This is one of my top 2 favourite episodes of all seasons.

Strangely enough though I actually don’t like the ending. To me it seems like a let down… they do such a good job of building the story, showing Deborah working her way into Macs life…. him falling in love…etc etc….

The whole warehouse scene is just such a let down.

But the rest of the show is great… and of corse the Eau d’Leo “video” is excellent.

You can view the Eau d’Leo video clip exclusive to MacGyver Online in our http://www.macgyveronline.com/pages/fv3.html.

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QUOTE (sonyab Oct 16 2005 @ 02:16 PM )
I voted excellent!!! Debrah really used everything that MacGyver loved and manipulated him! She was good!!! very evil!!! She tried to kill my Mac!!!!! How dare she!!!!! 


QUOTE (MacGyverGod Oct 16 2005 @ 09:38 PM )
Excellentemundo!!!!!! This is probably the best episode of the third season. I liked Deborah. For me that was a top episode.


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The whole warehouse scene is just such a let down.




What's wrong with it? There were a few great lines.
'I'm a negotiator, MacGyver!!!'
'Come on, honey! Don't make it so hard on yourself.'
'How about it, MacGyver? Am I sight for sore eyes or what?'

That last scene back in court now that was remembers worthy.
'I'm a negotiator, Mr. Knapp. Testifying against you was just the best deal I could make.'
Then they share that last look as we end with a shot on Mac's face. It's beautiful.

For the record: this episode marks doggie death II and marks the return of two first season actors. You noticed Trumbo in there? And the guy from Ugly Duckling?


QUOTE (Kim_K Oct 17 2005 @ 02:13 AM )
The Negotiator is the next best episode in Season 3. My favorite is Widowmaker.
Gotta love Deaborah. rolleyes.gif 


QUOTE (MacGirl Oct 17 2005 @ 12:53 PM )
MacGod, you're right. I had to actually check the credits of this one against Ugly Duckling and Trumbo's World to make sure I wasn't imagining it! tongue.gif

This was definitely one of the best eps of S3, if not THE best. Kristian Alfonso as Deborah really gave me chills... she was about as close to a psychopath as I've ever seen portrayed in a movie or TV show... she was able to convince Mac she was just a regular gal who loved him like crazy, even as she was the one doing all these nasty things to him and to Nikki. She was my all-time favorite female villain... almost like a female version of Murdoc (OK, she wasn't as whacked as Murdoc, but you know what I mean.)

This was one of the few eps in which I got a little annoyed at Mac for being so slow... that is, figuring out who Deborah was and what she was up to. But I guess it goes to show that anyone can be blinded by love.

Of course, LOVED Eau d'Leo, and it's "video." Really wish RDA would record a CD sometime... if he's written that, I'm sure he has more lovely music up his sleeve.


QUOTE (rockatteer Oct 18 2005 @ 09:13 AM )
RDA did write the Eau d'Leo tune. Its been mentioned in articles written about the show. He also has composer credits on the http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000760/#composer. 


QUOTE (MacNymph Oct 18 2005 @ 09:23 AM )
The Negotiator is one of the episodes that makes me lean toward making season 3 my favorite. smile.gif

(darn that Thin Ice ranting2.gif )


QUOTE (MacNymph Oct 18 2005 @ 09:26 AM )

From a online chat... 2000

Question from Karin2000:
Hello Richard! Greetings from Bavaria! My question is about the music you compose. I've loved "Eau d'Leo" from the first moment I heard it in the MacGyver episode, "The Negotiator". It is really good! Is there any chance we'll hear more of the music you have composed?

Richard Dean Anderson:
LOL! The only thing I have ever recorded other than that was back in the early 80's and that was with a friend, and he thought I could sing. I can't! LOL Any music I compose is for myself or my daughter. But thank you for asking.

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QUOTE (MacGyver Oct 18 2005 @ 10:57 AM )
Well, we finally got around to this episode! biggrin.gif "The Negotiator" is definitely a great episode- mainly because it gives MacGyver another recurring villian to deal with. (Murdoc is obviously the most well-known one, but Dr. Zito and Deborah would be 2 other main ones. Can't think of too many others really, except for Nikolai from "Thief of Budapest" and "Lost Love" (Parts 1 and 2) and The Von Leer brothers, seen in "Legend of the Holy Rose" (Parts 1 and 2) and "Eye of Osiris".)

I think it was really interesting seeing MacGyver fall in love with this woman and how long it did take him to figure things out. But he did, in the end. And I like the "Eau de Leo" song too. And you have to give MacGyver credit for coming through when he was half-blind to find the jumper cables to use to give Deborah a shock. I liked this MacGyverism at the end.
This was definitely a really good episode and also the last episode for Nikki Carpenter. I also like one of MacGyver's lines from the start of the episode.

"I won't back down".- very MacGyveresque! smile.gif sak.gif duct.gif 


QUOTE (MacGyverGod Oct 19 2005 @ 03:25 AM )
You guys think he had real feelings for Deborah? I think he did. 


QUOTE (MacGirl Oct 19 2005 @ 08:47 AM )
I think so, too. She came off as intelligent (which she was!), and sweet (which was an act). If she hadn't been a hired killer, and really HAD been who she was portraying herself to be, who knows, it might have worked out. Mac is obviously attracted to women who are smart as well as pretty. He has good taste, but the poor guy got blinded by his feelings in a big way on this one.

Also, if he hadn't been genuinely attracted to Deborah, he might have been more suspicious of her after she killed Nikki's dog. 


QUOTE (MacGyver Oct 19 2005 @ 11:05 AM )
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If she hadn't been a hired killer, and really HAD been who she was portraying herself to be, who knows, it might have worked out




Yeah, just like that Penny Parker and "Jacques LaRue" thing might have worked out too! biggrin.gif

And I still cringe every time at the dog death scene! ohmy.gif (That's so sad!) sak.gif duct.gif


QUOTE (MacNymph Oct 19 2005 @ 12:24 PM)
Unfortunately... killing a cat doesn't seem to be as dramatic. mad.gif 


QUOTE (rockatteer Oct 20 2005 @ 08:02 AM )
If it was as dramatic, you'd still be cringing at the scene.

Maybe it could have been Nikki's pet rock or something...deborah could through the rock out the window and we could have dramatic scenes of the rock exploding as it impacts on the sidewalk.....

... Or maybe it could hit a stray cat on the head... tongue.gif 


QUOTE (sonyab Oct 20 2005 @ 08:03 AM )
No I disagree.. I think a cat would be very dramatic too.


QUOTE (MacGyverGod Oct 20 2005 @ 08:29 AM )
Oh, please. There's a difference in it. A dog is easier to get close to then to a cat. Why do you think there is a term called the "family dog" instead of "family cat"? What if Deborah killed a goldfish would you still cringe? 


QUOTE (rockatteer Oct 20 2005 @ 09:13 AM )
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Why do you think there is a term called the "family dog" instead of "family cat"?




Actually there is a term "Family cat".



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A dog is easier to get close to then to a cat




You ever tried getting close to a barking growling German Shepard dog, or a labrador or any other sizable dog?

I've seen a lot of cats that are very friendly and come right up to you.

Most dogs I've meet are only friendly if their owner is with them. You try approaching them on their own property with no owner around and they go defensive.. which I guess is one of the main reasons people have dogs... good protection. smile.gif


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What if Deborah killed a goldfish would you still cringe?




Depends.....

If she threw it in her mouth and chewed it up.... yeah I might cringe! laugh.gif


QUOTE (Amy Oct 20 2005 @ 11:02 PM )
roller.gif Thanks for a chuckle so early in the morning!

I have cats that go both ways--one you wouldn't even see if you came in the house, though he's very affectionate when you're no longer an interloper. The other is a stray that showed up outside recently--he'll practically jump into your arms no matter who you are! I'm partial to cats, so I didn't even blink when she killed the dog. If it had been a cat I probably would have been horrified! Sorry to you dog-lovers--but I just don't like dogs much. of course any cruelty to animals is inexcusable...

So Rock, don't eat any goldfish, or throw rocks at cats, K? laugh.gif harhar.gif 


QUOTE (sonyab Oct 21 2005 @ 12:28 AM )
Uhhh yeah okay.. Obviously you are not a cat person I am.. It would upset me if she killed a cat. 


QUOTE (MacGyverGod Oct 21 2005 @ 02:59 AM )
Oh yes I am. I'm a cat/dog lover. It's just the first cat I tangled with died when he was only like 12 weeks old and I had a lot of friendship of it, the second cat is more independent. Eating, sleeping that's all it does it never jumps up on your lap.


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You ever tried getting close to a barking growling German Shepard dog, or a labrador or any other sizable dog?




Throw a bone. Just keep pit bulls (sorry Frog) and rottweilers away from me.



QUOTE (MacNymph Oct 21 2005 @ 11:50 AM )
I think Frog was an English Bull dog (a nice doggie bred) ... not the same as Pit Bull.

sad.gif Pit Bulls and Rotweillers are evil ranting2.gif 


QUOTE (Amy Oct 21 2005 @ 11:47 PM )
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Pit Bulls and Rotweillers are evil 



Well, I don't think you can blame the evil on the dog. I think it's how they're reared that determines their evilness...LOL. Anyway, in general I'm leary of them anyway--Doberman's, too--I was bit by one when I was young. But I know 2 Rots that are the dopiest friendliest dogs I've ever seen. The one is just a big docile horse. The other is just DUMB! She barks at rocks and rolls them around her yard, chasing them. Softball sized rocks. DUMB! drool.gif


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Your mission, if you should choose to accept it, find an example of where a cat is killed in movie or television for dramatic impact. 




K so I can't think of any instances where a cat is killed for dramatic effect....Wait...I might have one, but I can't quite grab onto it... Gotta think some more. hmm.bmp (Dontcha hate that--you know it's there and it's like it's running around inside your brain saying, "Neener neener, you can't catch me!")

Anyway, yeah, I think the general view of cats is that they are independent and snooty and that dogs are more likely to come to you. Plus I think that there are more dog lovers out there than cat lovers. Most of my friends would happily feed most cats to their dog. Thus the higher incidence of doggie deaths on TV. (That's the official scientific observation.) laugh.gif


QUOTE (Amy Oct 22 2005 @ 12:04 AM )
K--all this talk about cats and dogs and I just realized I haven't said one word about the episode! Somebody smack me to keep me on track! laugh.gif

Anyway, I really like this episode, but there were a couple of disappointing parts--I don't know that they're nitpicks, just things that I think could have been done better. I generally agree with Rock that the ending was a little bit of a letdown, although it was appropriate with Deborah pointing out that she made the best deal possible in the situation--that was a good one! And Mac's last glance at her at the very end--I think that was good, but it seemed more or less like the camera just didn't cut soon enough, you know? I think that glance could have said volumes more.

Also when they're driving and it's pouring down rain--she pulls into the warehouse. I don't care how blinded he was ( laugh.gif ) by love, Mac is a smart guy. He should have immediately picked up on the fact that suddenly the rain was muffled and wasn't hitting the roof of the jeep. He doesn't seem to get it that something's amiss until after he steps out of the jeep--and then it's like the sounds of his footsteps trigger him that they're not where they should be. huh.gif Mac's quicker than that. I know earlier he jokingly asks her if the phone's in the middle of a field because they're bouncing around and stuff, but he just accepts her lame explanation that it's around back.

OK--I love a lot of other things about this ep, most of which have been said. When Mac's boat blows up--that's a gut clencher--and any ep that contains one of those is excellent in my book! 


QUOTE (MacGirl Nov 11 2005 @ 06:08 AM )
Oh, thought of one more thing I wanted to mention, and it has to do with Nikki. I found it very interesting that in this one Mac was the one who got blinded by love... the opposite of what happened in Early Retirement, where it was Nikki who got blinded. Also, it was interesting in that Nikki was the one who figured out what Deborah was up to... again, the opposite of Early Retirement, where Mac figures out what Nikki's squeeze was really doing.

I've noticed that this "mirror effect" happened in quite a few eps... another example I think of immediately is The Widowmaker and Blow Out (in both, first Nikki and then Mac confronts the other with something they don't want to deal with). Maybe they did it in order to make Nikki a more sympathetic character (?) Other examples of the mirror effect are, obviously, all the eps where Pete winds up getting Mac out of trouble, instead of vice versa. 


QUOTE (Lee Nole-Isil Nov 11 2005 @ 01:29 PM )
You all have very good points! I really liked this ep. I'm kinda predjudiced against only Jack russel Terriers, because one took a good chunk out of my leg once. That was a nasty dog, so I kinda see where you are coming from. I liked Mac taking art classes the most, I think. 460.gif 


QUOTE (MacGirl Nov 11 2005 @ 05:24 PM )
Yeah, it was fun to see another side of Mac like that. One of my fave scenes of this ep. 


QUOTE (Lee Nole-Isil Nov 13 2005 @ 03:07 PM )
I think they should have done more eps with him in art class.... they could have had a lot of fun with that... biggrin.gif 


QUOTE (Sjaop Jan 11 2006 @ 11:03 PM )
Brilliant episode. Just hate Debrah (is it Debrah or Deborah??) soooo much!!
Everytime I'm watching that epidsode makes me feel like scratching her eyes out. Really hate that nasty woman.
I really hated her in DOOL after that. (if it's not her she looks like fancy face in DOOL) I'm cool with her now... but it took quite a while.


QUOTE (MACGYVERISMYDAD Jan 12 2006 @ 02:57 AM)
yes my girlfriend notice she was in fact from days of our lives. i think mac trusted her enough thats why he didnt mention anything about where he was when he got inside the warehouse. i think he notcied that something wasn't right he just waited till later to ask her because he had her trust. i also feel that the look where he just kinda glances over at her was a great ending. they did keep the camera there to long though, maybe to make you think he is going to say or do something but then you realize he has nothing to say to her. he trusted her and started to fall in love with her. a big jump for mac. although if i would pick any of the women that mac could be with i would pick HEIDI (gx-1) wub.gif or his neighbor on the boat next to his boat house in this ep. also did anyone notcie how when he gets back and mentions something about how plans change and he looks at his neighbor on her boat and she wearing short shorts and he looks down in disappointment. great scene 


QUOTE (MacsChick Jan 13 2006 @ 05:28 PM )
Ah, MacGyver in love! wub.gif Too bad it was with Deborah nasty.gif

I'm more of a cat person, myself, but I like dogs, too, and I have to tell you...it's sad when ANY animal dies, I don't care what it is. If it's cute and furry, you're going down! boxing.gif

I've been considering your earlier posts about how Mac trusted Deborah too easily and didn't seem to get that something sinister was happening. His character strikes me as one that falls in love easily. Sure, he's strong and he's intelligent, but even intelligent people can fall into a trap. Despite his stoic exterior, Mac conveys some vulnerability, as well as some neediness. That makes sense, given his guilt over his parents' deaths and his feeling like he's all alone at times.

Whoa, too much psychology! blink.gif

Anyway, awesome episode! One I watch quite frequently! biggrin.gif


QUOTE (rockatteer Jan 13 2006 @ 08:53 PM )
Interesting stats for this episode.... 13 of the 15 votes are for excellent.

The other 2 are 1 for good and 1 for OK.

that must be oneof the highest votes we've had.


QUOTE (Sjaop Feb 18 2006 @ 04:27 AM )
I was watching this one yesterday (I have to spend my time usefully during my illness, right?)

And again this lady annoys me. She's pretty, got to give her that, and I know she's only acting, but I could break all her limbs quite easily.
Nasty woman, she is! 


QUOTE (MACGYVERISMYDAD Feb 18 2006 @ 09:41 AM )
yes i agree i have a love/hate feeling for her probably kinda like mac does roller.gif 



Posted by: pfloyd 13 August 2007 - 04:32 PM
i hate to be a nuisance, but i am a dedicated guitar player as well as a MacGyver fan!!! i saw and heard the song Eau d'Leo and i immediately fell in love with it. i have searched everywhere for tabs but i can't find them. so please if there is anyone else who has the tabs or knows where to get them. reply here or contact me at funtimesmo--at--yahoo.com - tyvm in advance

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 14 August 2007 - 12:53 AM
They don't exist. It was a private tune written by RDA. Its never been released in any form.

The only way you'll get tabs is for someone to either write them out or run the tune through music software which shows the notes as it plays it... they usually have a print option so you can print out the music.


Posted by: MacGyverGod 2 September 2007 - 09:15 AM
At some point in the episode we see Deborah buying a second hand yellow car. But what for...? The car is shown only in that scene and was of no further use to her or the plot.

Posted by: trtlsoup 2 September 2007 - 09:28 AM
Maybe because it would fit better for her "profile" instead of a fancier car? hmm.bmp

Posted by: MacNymph 2 September 2007 - 09:38 AM
Yeah, she had to ditch the fur coats and limousines, get woodsy and environmentally friendly. A bit more down to earth and appealing to MacGyver.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 2 September 2007 - 01:14 PM
exactly. The idea was to show that she was changing her image to suit the needs. It impressed upon the viewer that she wasn't for real. Everything with MacGyver was an act.


Posted by: Liz1976 3 June 2008 - 07:18 PM
My question is though, he's dating her but they are always at the houseboat, never her place? How did she explain that? What did she tell him she did for a living? I wish they had said more about her cover story to him. Just a thought. But I wondered why Mac didn't suspect her at all, when he knew that he was possibly being followed or threatened. And only two weeks into the relationship, she has keys that he has given her to the houseboat. Some are irked by Mac having a son with Kate, but his relationship with Deborah, and how fast it is, creeps me out even more.

Posted by: MacGirl 4 June 2008 - 04:19 PM
Me too. There's such a thing as falling for someone so hard you put your brain on autopilot for awhile, but that usually wears off in a few days to a week or so. I am struck by how incurious Mac was about Deborah. Kind of out of character for him, really, now that I think about it.

Posted by: Liz1976 4 June 2008 - 05:29 PM
And I am not saying that I completely agree with Mac's lifestyle when it comes to women, but of course many of the women he really loved like Kate and Debra left him, not the other way around.
Deborah just ohmy.gif and surprise.gif floored me. I don't see how he couldn't see that he needed to ask more questions. I do think that he learned from the experience, because he questioned Maria extensively.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 4 June 2008 - 05:53 PM
I think it's more a case of not showing the viewer all the information.

She seemed to have a pretty good cover story at the art class about being a member of the Darwin Society and knowing Deloris Forchuck and her acid rain article, so it stands to reason that she would have continued her cover story to cover anything MacGyver had asked.

She was after all a professional, so one would expect her to be able to pull of such a deception without being caught.


Posted by: Liz1976 5 June 2008 - 02:37 PM
Kind of like not showing the shark in Jaws until the last half hour? Keep the audience speculating? I am all for suspense so it I get what you're saying Rock.
And Deborah probably came up with an elaborate cover, like the guy in Deep Cover, Mitch, who seduced Gwen. He obviously had a plan. And Deborah was a professional who made $250,000 before even laying eyes on Mac. And she had (she thought) another $250,000 coming when the job was done. She could afford to rent another place. I can't see her taking Mac to the penthouse/fancy apartment with her fancy stuff. hmm.bmp

Posted by: Lee Nole-Isil 5 June 2008 - 03:15 PM
I agree that we didn't see everything. It is, after all, only an hour-long show with commercials, so I'm sure sacrifices had to be made. However, I also agree that Mac seemed to take the bait a little quickly. Maybe she was just REALLY good at figuring out what he liked and didn't like and was able to mold herself into the 'perfect' person for Mac.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 5 June 2008 - 03:28 PM
I think also the Eau d'Leo montage was suppose to cover the weeks of "falling in love" but failed to convey the time frame.

I don't think it happened as quickly as the episode makes it appear.


Posted by: Lee Nole-Isil 5 June 2008 - 03:37 PM
That makes SO much more sense. I salute your massive brain power, Rocketeer!

Posted by: Liz1976 6 June 2008 - 01:39 AM
Maybe. But Rock remember the three week time frame. Mac had three weeks to gather evidence on the case to prove his case to the EPA. So, from the time of the hearing at the beginning, before he met her, before she was even hired, to the end where she is arrested and testifies against Knapp is 3 weeks! Not a long time.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 6 June 2008 - 02:39 AM
Very good point. hmm.bmp


Posted by: Liz1976 14 June 2008 - 05:25 PM
Two questions for supposition:

1. Knapp we believe gets arrested at the end after Deborah testifies against him. Anybody want to guess what happened to him? Fanfiction idea.

2. Another one--the testimony that Deborah gave: she would have to plead guilty essentially and testify against Knapp-- I would like to suppose about the amount of detail she would give about how she researched and studied Mac in depth and methodically and carefully concluded that it served her purpose to kill Mac. Of course she had been paid $250,000 already and was expecting another $250,000 from Knapp upon completion. She wrote down 1. Buy him off 2. Scare him off
3. Love him off 4. Kill him off. Question--she knew that scaring him and buying him wasn't going to work, how did she expect to love him with him discovering her rather important secret, no her only real option was to kill him if she wanted to succeed and get paid (and avoid prison). Fanfiction idea: the testimony that Deborah gave and Mac's experience. What do you think?

I just watched it--I still get ticked at Deborah for hurting him---and now, I would be angry at her doing that to anyone---it's just wrong---but she's a baddy and an interesting one at that. I like Kristian Alfonso as an actress too--growing up I was a Days fan--I admit it--but I gave that up as I grew as a person. But I have seen her in other things. I thinks she played Deborah to try to escape the role of Hope on DOOL--Good Luck!

Also, anyone done anything with the aftermath that Mac went through following Deborah or even Lisa Kohler. Mac really gets hurt badly by women in the 3rd season! Yikes!

Posted by: Liz1976 7 July 2008 - 09:35 AM
Another question and maybe I have asked it before, why didn't she take off the lynx coat before killing the dog? Wouldn't she have wanted for the crime to be untraceable?

And wouldn't killing him with a gun have made more sense?

Deborah's back story would have made a good fanfiction--how did she get like that? Same question that I asked when I first saw the movie Psycho, if you have never seen it, watch it, you'll be scared too, great film and John Anderson (Harry Jackson) is in the first half.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 22 July 2008 - 12:03 PM
The whole ending of this episode was pathetic.

The episode started off in great form and built along pretty nicely, then suddenly the writers have a brain fart and drive them out into a broken down old garage in the middle of nowhere and suddenly this cunning negotiator resorts to a flick knife to try and kill MacGyver.

I don't think so Tim. dry.gif

I spose the mink coat could have been an attempt to dress like a big hairy animal to scare the dog away? It's no worse an idea than a knife in an old garage to kill MacGyver.

Posted by: Liz1976 22 July 2008 - 12:20 PM
QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 23 July 2008 - 08:38 AM)
I don't think so Tim. dry.gif

I spose the mink coat could have been an attempt to dress like a big hairy animal to scare the dog away? It's no worse an idea than a knife in an old garage to kill MacGyver.

One, I get the Home Improvement reference. Great show!! Good reference.

Two, about the coat, very funny!! roller.gif

But I get the idea that Negotiator is not your favorite episode. Go figure.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 22 July 2008 - 12:23 PM
QUOTE (Liz1976 @ 23 July 2008 - 08:55 AM)
But I get the idea that Negotiator is not your favorite episode. Go figure.

Actually it is one of my favorite episodes. I just don't' like the way the ended it.


Posted by: Liz1976 22 July 2008 - 12:27 PM
QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 23 July 2008 - 08:58 AM)

Actually it is one of my favorite episodes. I just don't' like the way the ended it.

Well, how would you have ended it?

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 22 July 2008 - 12:59 PM
QUOTE (Liz1976 @ 23 July 2008 - 08:04 AM)
You still haven't answered my question about the coat. It  doesn't make any sense and the knife was another point that someone brought up. Why would she use a knife on Mac in the warehouse?

Pete had never seen her in the minx coat. So there was no way that it could be traced to her. Also didn't she mess up Nikki's apartment to make it look like a break in or something?

If you think about how Pete made the connection. It was a bit of a stretch. Pete had no reason to suspect Deborah. As far as he was concerned she was just a nice innocent girl that Mac was dating.. then suddenly out of nowhere he sees lynx hair and "Oh it must be Deborah."

WHAT!!??

There was absolutely no thought process behind his sudden revolution.

Had he ever seen her in a lynx coat?
no.

Did he have any reason not to like her at all?
Not they we know of.. so no.

Did have any reason to think that Deborah was anything other than the wholesome down to earth women she was portraying herself to be?
Again, not that we know of.. so no.

Is Pete psychic?
Must be. It's the only logical explanation captain.




Posted by: Liz1976 22 July 2008 - 01:09 PM
Remember Pete said about the pathology report :traces of lynx hair in the dog's mouth?
Nikki then said, "A woman?"
Then Pete"Of course two years ago they used a woman to take out Joey Tartana."
Nikki said, "That was clever of them. A woman would have a better chance of getting close to MacGyver."
Pete said to her "Are you thinking what I'm thinking?"
Nikki said, "Deborah!"

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 22 July 2008 - 01:26 PM
yeah... and?

Why would he suspect wholesome innocent down to earth Deborah?

To us it makes sense, because we know what she is really up to.. but the characters in the story don't. all they know is a nice lady that Macs dating. And then suddenly "oh it must be her, shes a women. It doesn't matter that shes a nice and kind and friendly and MacGyver thinks the world of her. She must be a killer!"

with friends like that who needs enemies.

Nope.. from that scene onwards, the episode takes the slippery slide beyond the S bend. Which is a pity because they did pretty well up until then.


Posted by: Liz1976 22 July 2008 - 02:04 PM
QUOTE (Liz1976 @ 23 July 2008 - 09:02 AM)

Well, how would you have ended it?

And?

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 22 July 2008 - 03:54 PM
not relaly sure.

Maybe something more in tune with how Debra operates. Maybe even she just pulls a gun on him at the houseboat, the phone rings causing a distraction, MacGyver tacks advantage of it to knock the gun from her hand and stumbles out onto the pair, Debra grabs her gun and pursues him.

The scene could follow the same idea as the garage scene, with MacGyver stumbling around the marina hiding, finding some way to send Debra in the wrong direction while MacGyver rigs up the spear gun he finds standing in a corner against one of the shacks, so it fires somethign a little heavier to either knock Debra out or knock her into the water.

Maybe they could even use the same MacGyverism with a battery and jumper cables from a neighboring boat, and either use sea water to make a puddle or maybe the pair is wet enough from the rain or something.

*shrugs*

Would be fun to see MacGyver stumbling around the pair(his own back yard) in the dark finding things to use to distract and catch Debra.



Posted by: Liz1976 22 July 2008 - 04:13 PM
QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 23 July 2008 - 12:29 PM)
not relaly sure.

Maybe something more in tune with how Debra operates. Maybe even she just pulls a gun on him at the houseboat, the phone rings causing a distraction, MacGyver tacks advantage of it to knock the gun from her hand and stumbles out onto the pair, Debra grabs her gun and pursues him.

The scene could follow the same idea as the garage scene, with MacGyver stumbling around the marina hiding, finding some way to send Debra in the wrong direction while he rigs up a fishing net sneer to scoop her up as she approaches him.

Or maybe he could just launch at her and they both end up in the water.

*shrugs*

Would be good to see MacGyver stumbling around the pair in the dark finding things to use to distract and catch Debra.

Maybe they could even use the same MacGyverism with a battery and jumper cables from a neighboring boat, and either use sea water to make a puddle or maybe the pair is wet enough from the rain or something.

She just pulls a gun on him? What they are having dinner there at the the houseboat, and the subject of the impact study come up and she has enough and puls the gun on him. Is MacGyver still blind? One of the things that was spooky about the knife is that Mac was blind essentially.

In the episode, She drives to the warehouse because she can't get to the cliff and the lodge where she had planned to stage the "accident". Wouldn't killing him at the houseboat be a clue implicating her, as would being shot?

An accident like falling from a cliff or driving off a cliff makes more sense if you want no clues.

The marina idea is cool, just trying to figure out what her reasons would be. The boat bomb too was a little too easy too, with her right there. What about that bomb?
Remember what Mac said in Countdown about bombs having a signature like a fingerprint is personal, comparing bombs to art? Also why didn't Pete run a background check on her? In my story when Mac falls in love Pete does do a background on my heroine and evryone she is close to. I thought he would have learned his lesson with Deborah.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 22 July 2008 - 05:36 PM
I was only throwing ideas together off the top of my head to answer your previous question. I'm no writer so if you want details you'll have to fill them in yourself.

I don't think MacGyver has to get his girlfriends cleared through Pete.


Posted by: Liz1976 22 July 2008 - 06:39 PM
Ok, that's cool. I think you are probably a better writer than you give yourself credit for. I was only curious about what direction you would take the episode. I wasn't trying to ruffle your feathers.

As for Mac's girlfriends, if his new girlfriend is in trouble, or someone close to her is in trouble, then it's warrented.

Posted by: dinoman 2 September 2008 - 07:45 PM
I feel sorry for Mac! sad.gif It seems that every woman he loved either broke his heart or wanted to kill him!

Posted by: MacsChick 3 September 2008 - 06:14 PM
I know--and he is so unworthy of that kind of treatment.

Posted by: androgyny 24 September 2008 - 01:08 AM
Poor poor Mac. Poor poor dog. Poor poor lynx that died to become a fur coat.

Posted by: Liz1976 28 September 2008 - 10:30 AM
QUOTE (androgyny @ 24 September 2008 - 09:26 PM)
Poor poor Mac. Poor poor dog. Poor poor lynx that died to become a fur coat.

And Nikki was babysitting the dog. What did she say to the owners? A crazy witch with a psychotic complex broke in to dig up info on me. and the dog (Bunky) started barking so the evil lady pulled a knife? The wicked witch of the west thought Bunky was Toto? blink.gif

Posted by: Astra 7 March 2009 - 02:02 PM
In the beginning, at the hearing, Mac puts the yellowish folder into the map and closes it, but at the close-up when Pete talks about him getting a hair cut it lays on top of the map. Later when Mac is walking away with Nikki it is inside again.

Posted by: Astra 7 March 2009 - 02:20 PM
Actually I wonder what Deborah would have done if the dog hadn't been there? She could not know that Nikki was babysitting him? What else did she want in her apartment? Gotta wonder.

It is so sad to see her go after MacGyver and he is so innocent and naive. I think I would have liked it more if they hadn't shown us right from the beginning what she was up to. That we only find out along with Nikki and Pete. Would have been a big surprise! Or maybe dedicated watchers would have figured it out sooner.

Although the scene where she listens to him doing his stuff is very creepy. I mean, these are all private things, you feel save at home, but to imagine that somebody listens to it all, like big brother, is kinda scary.

What I like is this very small gesture of Mac, when he is blind and Deborah helps him sitting down at the couch. That little angry outbreak. Shows his real feelings about feeling helpless. He was almost too cheerfully in the scenes before. Somebody like Mac doesn't take it easily when he depends on others.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 7 March 2009 - 02:44 PM
QUOTE (Astra @ 8 March 2009 - 11:20 AM)
Actually I wonder what Deborah would have done if the dog hadn't been there? She could not know that Nikki was babysitting him? What else did she want in her apartment? Gotta wonder.

Didn't Nikki say something earlier about babysitting the dog?




Posted by: MacGirl 7 March 2009 - 09:44 PM
I'll have to watch this one again, but I don't remember Nikki saying she was babysitting the dog in this one. Sure you guys aren't thinking of Blowout? (In that one, she does mention to the cop on the phone that she's babysitting her neighbor's dog, "and he's driving me absolutely crazy!") I got the impression that in The Negotiator, the dog was Nikki's own.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 7 March 2009 - 11:33 PM
QUOTE (MacGirl @ 8 March 2009 - 06:44 PM)
Sure you guys aren't thinking of Blowout? (In that one, she does mention to the cop on the phone that she's babysitting her neighbor's dog, "and he's driving me absolutely crazy!")

Oh yeah, that might be it too.


Posted by: Astra 8 March 2009 - 01:32 AM
I haven't watched "Blowout" yesterday. I only watched "The Negotiator". And I think Nikki mentioned that it was her neighbour's dog when she called Mac and told him it was dead.

The two women had only met briefly once before and there was no talking about dogs. Of course Deborah made a file about Nikki (after she found out that Mac cares about her), so she could have found out somehow before she went there.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 8 March 2009 - 01:48 AM
I've just finished watching Negotiator, and it is indeed mentioned that the dog was her neighbors dog.. twice.

I thought Deborah seemed surprised to find the dog in Nikki's apartment. Which actually seems weird to me, because the dog was barking before she even opened the door.

The fact that she didn't know the dog would be there might actually explain why she was wearing the minx coat. Of coarse a more practical reason would be that she wouldn't want to be seen in any clothes which would make her identifiable to Mac or Nikki if she was seen by anyone.


Posted by: Liz1976 9 March 2009 - 10:30 AM
QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 8 March 2009 - 09:48 PM)
I've just finished watching Negotiator, and it is indeed mentioned that the dog was her neighbors dog.. twice.

I thought Deborah seemed surprised to find the dog in Nikki's apartment. Which actually seems weird to me, because the dog was barking before she even opened the door.

The fact that she didn't know the dog would be there might actually explain why she was wearing the minx coat. Of coarse a more practical reason would be that she wouldn't want to be seen in any clothes which would make her identifiable to Mac or Nikki if she was seen by anyone.

See that's what I have been saying all along. Deborah wearing the lynx coat has never made sense to me. Also the fact the Nikki's apartment building had absolutely no security system apparently, and before you say that it probably did and Deborah was smart enough to get around it, let's remember that Deborah did a few thing that weren't too bright (aka wearing a lynx coat while killing a dog)

Posted by: Astra 9 March 2009 - 12:50 PM
Which brings us back to the question what she did want there if she did not know beforehand that the dog would be there. Kill Nikki? And where was Nikki anway? Wasn't it late in the evening, dark outside?

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 8 April 2009 - 03:24 PM
QUOTE (Astra @ 10 March 2009 - 09:50 AM)
Which brings us back to the question what she did want there if she did not know beforehand that the dog would be there.

My guess would be that she went to Nikki's apartment for the same reason she was snooping around in MacGyver's place... research...

Looking to see how Nikki ticked and anything, or way, she could use Nikki against MacGyver I guess.




Posted by: Beachbead 22 April 2009 - 07:01 AM
she went to Nikki's apartment to see if she could dig up any info on her and also find out if Nikki and MacGyver was cloer then he was telling her.

Posted by: macsgirl1 1 May 2009 - 09:04 PM
I think it was a good episode. However I agree they could have tweeked things a little. Another senario could be: While Mac was still blind she easily could "accidentally" kill him on the houseboat nasty.gif . Mac kind of opened the door to this when he first came home from the hospital and knocked over the silverware cup. hmm.bmp I voted her poor because she hurt Mac and that is an automatic bad. boxing.gif

Posted by: macsgirl1 1 May 2009 - 09:16 PM
I kind of found it a bit cold on Debra's part in the hospital where she said that she didn't have hope for Mac when she saw the boat blow up. surprise.gif Should not that sent a slight clue hmm.bmp Perhaps a big red flag should have went up for Mac before the boat blew up when Debra made the comment of making things work for ourselves doh.gif kind of a slip on her part blush.gif

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 3 May 2009 - 07:22 PM
Here's a thing.

In this episode we see MacGyver has a cell phone in his jeep. So why don't we ever see him use it to call for help?

There's plenty of times when he could have just called for help rather than go through a whole bunch of unnecessary dangers and putting others at risk.





Posted by: dinoman 3 May 2009 - 11:03 PM
I have a rather sad explanation for that....

Mac might see Deborah as his long-wanted girlfriend to whom he can place his trust on and seek comfort from. Mac could have identified those occasions in which Debbie's true intention could be seen but he might not want to believe or reluctant to confront her. He might well be willing to bet his own life on it.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 4 May 2009 - 01:05 AM
um, actually I meant plenty of other episodes.. But I've given this it's own http://www.macgyveronline.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5353.


Posted by: MACGYVERISMYDAD 4 May 2009 - 08:58 AM
i don't remember the scene where she buys a yellow car in that episode?

Posted by: Beachbead 4 May 2009 - 10:36 AM

i do it was a Volkswagon Beetle Bug Yellow.

Posted by: macsgirl1 6 May 2009 - 11:39 PM
QUOTE (MacGirl @ 8 March 2009 - 05:44 PM)
I'll have to watch this one again, but I don't remember Nikki saying she was babysitting the dog in this one.  Sure you guys aren't thinking of Blowout?  (In that one, she does mention to the cop on the phone that she's babysitting her neighbor's dog, "and he's driving me absolutely crazy!")  I got the impression that in The Negotiator, the dog was Nikki's own.


When MacGyver was in the hospital they are talking about digging for evidence and Nikki says that it was like her neighbor's dog and the trucker.

Posted by: MacGirl 30 December 2009 - 07:59 PM
I don't think Deborah killed Nikki's dog out of jealousy or simple spite. It was a very deliberate attempt at intimidation, in this case, by attacking someone close to Mac. (It's said that the only thing worse than being attacked or tortured yourself is being forced to watch as someone you care about is.) The only problem I have with it is this: even after the dog was killed, no one suspected Deborah. Are Pete, Mac, and Nikki really that slow? If I had been in that bunch, I would have said, "Wait a minute. This doesn't seem random." Is an attempt at intimidation any good unless it's clear who's doing the intimidating?

As for when Pete and Nikki finally did figure it out, I think their reasoning went something like this: a woman would be more likely than a man to wear a lynx coat. Is there a woman who has (relatively) suddenly popped up and might have a reason to use Nikki to get to either Mac or Pete? And since Deborah sort of appeared out of nowhere, both of them thought immediately of her, even though they didn't have any other reasons for suspicion. Intuition is more accurate than you think... in fact, our intuition is always right in dangerous situations, if we're willing to listen to it.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 30 December 2009 - 08:29 PM
QUOTE (MacGirl @ 31 December 2009 - 04:59 PM)
I don't think Deborah killed Nikki's dog out of jealousy or simple spite.

The only problem I have with it is this: even after the dog was killed, no one suspected Deborah.  Are Pete, Mac, and Nikki really that slow?  If I had been in that bunch, I would have said, "Wait a minute. This doesn't seem random."  Is an attempt at intimidation any good unless it's clear who's doing the intimidating?

Your looking at it from the "eye of God" view. As a viewer we get to see what everyone is doing and we know she killed the dog. They don't have that advantage...

Why would they suspect MacGyver's new girlfriend when they thought the intimidation was coming from Knapp?

Posted by: Makedde 13 May 2011 - 12:01 AM
QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 23 July 2008 - 09:29 AM)
yeah... and?

Why would he suspect wholesome innocent down to earth Deborah?

Because she came out of nowhere. Mac had no one and then, all of sudden comes this woman, literally from out of the blue.
They didn't trace the coat back to her, they just understood that only a woman would be wearing lynx fur, and then put two and two together. I can see how they would have done it.

It is an awesome episode. I haven't seen it that many times but today I took the day off work (arranged weeks ago) just so I could watch it. Call me nuts, but I hate missing out on my daily dose of Mac!

I did love the song he played - how come it has a title when no title was even announced for it? It appears to be a French sounding title - how do you pronounce it? I like it, RDA is rather the talented guitar player, eh?

I do admit though...the entire episode I kept thinking of that scene with Deborah in front of the fire...wishing I was her, lol! Surely I am not the only one...ladies? ohmy.gif

Oh, and also, apparently this is Elyssa's last episode as Nikki - why did she leave?

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 13 May 2011 - 01:18 AM
because of all the nasty letters they got from female fans. Same thing happened with Maria. that's why she was dropped as well.

Posted by: Makedde 13 May 2011 - 10:33 PM
QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 13 May 2011 - 09:21 PM)
because of all the nasty letters they got from female fans. Same thing happened with Maria. that's why she was dropped as well.

But they were never going to get her and Mac together - there was never any hint of that at all.
If she had to leave, they could have at least provided an explanation - rather than just have her up and leave.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 14 May 2011 - 12:19 AM
Well there were hints I guess. In GX-1 the psychic told MacGyver he would come to love her. But it may not have been so much about the girl friend issue as it was that she was in at least every second episode in season 3 and was more like a permanent side kick to MacGyver and the fans may simply have been saying they prefer MacGyver to work alone.


Posted by: Makedde 12 December 2011 - 08:15 PM
When Debbie is painting with Mac, she uses her left hand. Her watch is on her left wrist beause usually we wear a watch the on hand we don't write with, so it should have been on her right.

What finger did she use to click the camera? It should have been her left, if she was left handed. I also can't remember what hand she held the knife in when she attacked Mac. I was thinking that perhaps she is right handed but they made her left handed?

Posted by: KiwiTek 29 December 2011 - 04:36 PM
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When Debbie is painting with Mac, she uses her left hand. Her watch is on her left wrist beause usually we wear a watch the on hand we don't write with, so it should have been on her right.

A lot of left handed people wear their watch on their left hand. There's no real rule about which hand you have to wear a watch on. I even know a right handed guy who wears his watch on his right hand - no idea why; even he can't tell me. lol

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What finger did she use to click the camera? It should have been her left, if she was left handed.

The button is on the right side of the camera so how can she click it with her left hand? How you use things like cameras is determined by where the buttons/controls are, not by which hand is your dominant hand.
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Looks like she is left handed. She used the screw driver in her left hand and also when she opened the case with the bug in it, she removed the lid with her left hand and emptied the bug into her right hand which is opposite to what a right handed person would do.
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Posted by: Ad hoc 11 January 2012 - 12:24 AM
This is such a great episode. One thing I really like is that you get to see MacGyver through someone else's eyes. Artistic, athletic, volunteer...
Eau d'Leo is of course wonderful and the montage is superbly done, and I can never get enough of the house boat and jeep. Of course having a beautiful woman on the show didn't hurt either.

Posted by: Mary-Kate 1 August 2012 - 02:36 PM
Another great episode from the third season alongside The Widowmaker. smile.gif

I love the scene where Mac first sees Deborah. He fell for her immediately! I guess that's the profile of women he likes: nice, educated, nature & animal lover, caring, modest...

Also, as a guitar player myself I LOVE the scene where Mac plays guitar! You guys probably knew that RDA wrote the tune. I put the clip of this scene on youtube. http://youtu.be/dh37ObjdlTs

Posted by: NightTinkerer 5 November 2012 - 06:48 PM
So many people have already discussed this *excellent* episode, but I'll add a few of my own observations and opinions anyway.

Once again, we're shown that Mac is a true environmentalist, and that he is willing to put his life at risk for things he believes in.

Someone else also mentioned that in this episode, we'll see MacGyver from a somewhat different perspective--much like how other people see him. And what a sympathetic man he is. But also, from one point of view, so very alone. I found it very heartbreaking that Deborah was studying him so thoroughly and knew exactly which buttons to push to make him fall for her.

Imagine if she had been for real? I think that she, if anyone, would have been an ideal girlfriend for Mac. But she was just an illusion... Maria might have been real, but I didn't like her much; real or not, she still didn't feel genuine to me. I seriously doubt the writers *were* capable of creating a plausible girlfriend for Mac. It's not only because the fans were enraged at every attempt, but what we were shown... just wasn't plausible. I'm not talking out of jealousy here, I just simply didn't like the majority of his girlfriends in the series. Most of them were either too flimsy, too girlish, or too much of a damsel in distress. I always pictured Mac with someone intelligent and rather independent, who even would have the courage to rescue him (or help him out) if needed.

Anyway--imagine if Deborah was for real--their love story could have been beautiful. The Eau d' Leo theme RDA created for this episode is really beautiful, indeed. Too bad we never saw that guitar again! Very suitable for the mood.

I, too, think there were far more efficient ways for Deborah to get rid of Mac--if she really wanted to; she later claimed she was starting to fall in love for real. But yet, she attempted to blow him up, and stab him. But, I mean, as intelligent as she was, and considering for instance how many times they were obviously cooking together, she could easily have poisoned him with something that wasn't easily traced.

In the end, you feel very sorry for Mac. The foundation managed to win the case, and get Mr Knapp and Deborah arrested... but no wonder Mac's commitment issues got even worse after this... sad.gif

Nevertheless--this episode might have its flaws, but it's still a definite "Excellent" for me!

Posted by: MacGirl 14 August 2013 - 06:14 PM
QUOTE (Mary-Kate @ 2 August 2012 - 10:36 AM)
Also, as a guitar player myself I LOVE the scene where Mac plays guitar! You guys probably knew that RDA wrote the tune. I put the clip of this scene on youtube. http://youtu.be/dh37ObjdlTs

Hey, I've started playing guitar, too, and would love it if I could find the chords for this. But I bet it's very hard to find, if not impossible... sad.gif

Posted by: Mary-Kate 15 August 2013 - 02:41 AM
QUOTE (MacGirl @ 15 August 2013 - 02:14 PM)
QUOTE (Mary-Kate @ 2 August 2012 - 10:36 AM)
Also, as a guitar player myself I LOVE the scene where Mac plays guitar! You guys probably knew that RDA wrote the tune. I put the clip of this scene on youtube. http://youtu.be/dh37ObjdlTs

Hey, I've started playing guitar, too, and would love it if I could find the chords for this. But I bet it's very hard to find, if not impossible... sad.gif

I've been playing guitar for 4 years now and have pretty good pitch, but this song is hard to tab or even determine chords, as RDA used only intervals at some parts. It would take some time from me to figure it out.

Grab a guitar and try to find chords/intervals for yourself. smile.gif At least try, it will be a good lesson for ear training. That's how I started, except it was guitar solos that I was craving for to learn. biggrin.gif

Posted by: MiracleMac 19 June 2014 - 01:31 AM
The big warehouse in the end scene looked the same which was used in episode High Control. In episode Outsiders, where was the consruction workers area, we maybe see the same in the background too, atleast there was some sort of warehouse.

Trying to find that filming location

Posted by: KiwiTek 19 June 2014 - 01:57 AM
can you see where he puts his fingers when he's playing on his sofa?


Posted by: Rocket 6 August 2014 - 01:15 PM
QUOTE (NightTinkerer @ 6 November 2012 - 02:48 PM)
Someone else also mentioned that in this episode, we'll see MacGyver from a somewhat different perspective--much like how other people see him. And what a sympathetic man he is. But also, from one point of view, so very alone. I found it very heartbreaking that Deborah was studying him so thoroughly and knew exactly which buttons to push to make him fall for her.


In the end, you feel very sorry for Mac. The foundation managed to win the case, and get Mr Knapp and Deborah arrested... but no wonder Mac's commitment issues got even worse after this... sad.gif




I've just watched this one for the first time in ages. Deborah really is a stinker, isn't she!
It does make you feel sorry for Mac. No wonder he was so wary...

Posted by: RadiantRose 11 September 2016 - 05:46 AM
QUOTE (Mary-Kate @ 1 August 2012 - 02:36 PM)
Another great episode from the third season alongside The Widowmaker. smile.gif

I love the scene where Mac first sees Deborah. He fell for her immediately! I guess that's the profile of women he likes: nice, educated, nature & animal lover, caring, modest...

Also, as a guitar player myself I LOVE the scene where Mac plays guitar! You guys probably knew that RDA wrote the tune. I put the clip of this scene on youtube. http://youtu.be/dh37ObjdlTs

When I first saw it, I thought that it was slightly over-the-top that Mac would be artistic/musical as well as athletic/daring, inventive, sweet and idealistic. I mean, come off it? Despite the line he has (I cannot recall where) about dusting twice a year, he's clearly not a slob. Is there anything he's really, really bad at? (Beware of writing characters who seem too perfect, unless you're actually trying to describe the character you want for your home-made sentient robot ... um, sorry, wrong forum.)

Apart from avoiding trouble and accidents. Mac's very bad at that.

But I suppose it made a little bit more sense when I found out RDA had composed the song himself. Interesting that the "inventing all the MacGyver inventions" part of the role was the element of the role that was least like him.


Posted by: MacGyverGod 11 September 2016 - 01:07 PM
Well, he is a man of 'many many many many many many' talents. biggrin.gif

Posted by: uniquelyjas 4 May 2017 - 03:45 PM
Wow, lots of great comments on this one! Anybody else but me like the part where he drinks right from the blender? Typical bachelor thing to do!

Posted by: zoeryan 29 October 2018 - 09:11 PM
QUOTE (MiracleMac @ 19 June 2014 - 01:31 AM)
The big warehouse in the end scene looked the same which was used in episode High Control. In episode Outsiders, where was the consruction workers area, we maybe see the same in the background too, atleast there was some sort of warehouse.

Trying to find that filming location

Isn't the warehouse also the same one from Birth Day? The inside looked like it anyway...

From a fan girl perspective I love this episode, such a nice insight into dating MacGyver - his adorably timid asking her out at the paint class... It is a shame there couldn't have been someone more like her Mac could have really fell for - the forest ranger girl was kind of similar but she was too caught up in being a forest ranger - Mac does need someone super flexible to all his traveling and missions all the time.

I also am not crazy about the warehouse scene at the end - mostly because I wanted the dialogue to be a little better - especially to support her claims of falling for him in Unfinished Business. Although she's pretty mean at the end of that one too! I'm okay with her only having a knife, because her plan was to drive him off a cliff and make it look accidental, and she wasn't really concerned since he was blind.

I don't have an issue with Pete and Nikki suspecting her after they realize it's a woman behind everything - she was everywhere with Mac all of a sudden, so it would be a natural suspicion.

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 30 October 2018 - 12:15 AM
QUOTE (RadiantRose @ 12 September 2016 - 02:46 AM)
When I first saw it, I thought that it was slightly over-the-top that Mac would be artistic/musical as well as athletic/daring, inventive, sweet and idealistic. I mean, come off it?

You do realize that apart from the inventive bit, you just described RDA right?

They basically used all his hobbies and attributes to create the character.


Posted by: zoeryan 30 October 2018 - 12:19 AM
QUOTE (MacGyverOnline @ 30 October 2018 - 12:15 AM)
QUOTE (RadiantRose @ 12 September 2016 - 02:46 AM)
When I first saw it, I thought that it was slightly over-the-top that Mac would be artistic/musical as well as athletic/daring, inventive, sweet and idealistic.  I mean, come off it?

You do realize that apart from the inventive bit, you just described RDA right?

They basically used all his hobbies and attributes to create the character.

Agreed - I didn't find it unrealistic. MacGyver is super creative, and most creative people have talents in lots of areas, not just one.

Posted by: MacGyverGod 30 October 2018 - 03:02 AM
QUOTE (zoeryan @ 30 October 2018 - 06:11 AM)
QUOTE (MiracleMac @ 19 June 2014 - 01:31 AM)
The big warehouse in the end scene looked the same which was used in episode High Control. In episode Outsiders, where was the consruction workers area, we maybe see the same in the background too, atleast there was some sort of warehouse.

Trying to find that filming location

Isn't the warehouse also the same one from Birth Day? The inside looked like it anyway...

From a fan girl perspective I love this episode, such a nice insight into dating MacGyver - his adorably timid asking her out at the paint class... It is a shame there couldn't have been someone more like her Mac could have really fell for - the forest ranger girl was kind of similar but she was too caught up in being a forest ranger - Mac does need someone super flexible to all his traveling and missions all the time.

I also am not crazy about the warehouse scene at the end - mostly because I wanted the dialogue to be a little better - especially to support her claims of falling for him in Unfinished Business. Although she's pretty mean at the end of that one too! I'm okay with her only having a knife, because her plan was to drive him off a cliff and make it look accidental, and she wasn't really concerned since he was blind.

I don't have an issue with Pete and Nikki suspecting her after they realize it's a woman behind everything - she was everywhere with Mac all of a sudden, so it would be a natural suspicion.

Nope. The warehouse from Birth Day was filmed in Los Angeles and actually doubles as the torture rooms in Lethal Weapon. The so-called back of the club at the end of the film.

Though I'm not fully sure, I think this warehouse was also seen in High Control. Could've been the same one. Who can tell when in The Negotiator the warehouse is only seen during the night and in High Control during the day.

Posted by: sylvain1888 2 December 2020 - 03:17 PM
Total Success, in particular the character of Deborah, she alone, she works miracles ...

5 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Posted by: sylvain1888 2 December 2020 - 03:18 PM

Posted by: MacGyverOnline 23 June 2022 - 04:30 AM
In this episode MacGyver is fighting against having a new marina build which he says will give "a bunch of fat cats a new place to park their yachts and party".... but he lives in a marina himself, which would have also damaged the environment when it was built.

That's a little hypocritical isn't it? laugh.gif

Posted by: Barry Rowland 23 June 2022 - 03:47 PM
That's a very good point huh.gif I've seen the episode a bunch of times and never thought of that.

Posted by: Grazer 23 June 2022 - 06:27 PM
QUOTE (Mary-Kate @ 15 August 2013 - 11:41 PM)
I've been playing guitar for 4 years now and have pretty good pitch, but this song is hard to tab or even determine chords, as RDA used only intervals at some parts. It would take some time from me to figure it out.

Grab a guitar and try to find chords/intervals for yourself. smile.gif At least try, it will be a good lesson for ear training. That's how I started, except it was guitar solos that I was craving for to learn. biggrin.gif

I think there's apps which can show notes of music now.




Posted by: MacGyverOnline 23 June 2022 - 07:43 PM
QUOTE (Grazer @ 23 June 2022 == 07:27 PM)
QUOTE (Mary-Kate @ 15 August 2013 == 11:41 PM)
I've been playing guitar for 4 years now and have pretty good pitch, but this song is hard to tab or even determine chords, as RDA used only intervals at some parts. It would take some time from me to figure it out.

I think there's apps which can show notes of music now.

Thanks for that. I've now wasted an hour finding and playing with a music scanner! laugh.gif

It didn't turn out that great == probably could get it better if I spent some time learning how to use it, but when I played it back as a piano roll it did actually help me find a few basic notes and I can now play the main part of the tune on a piano keyboard.

Here's an screen capture of part of the piano roll so you can see the key range used.

https://www.macgyveronline.com/wp-content/uploads/Eau-d-Leo-oiano-roll.jpg



And here's the sheet music.

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