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|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 9 January 2009 - 06:09 PM|
|Posted by: MacsChick 9 January 2009 - 08:46 PM|
|His character is the perfect combination of fiendishness, melodrama, and comedy. I voted excellent, of course.|
|Posted by: Liz1976 10 January 2009 - 03:57 AM|
|Murdoc---inventive, sadistic, insane, musical and over the top theatrical, creepy, cross dressing, highly intelligent, yet prone to do very stupid things when overconfident to desparate (every time that he had been "killed"), antisocial, psychotic, angry, clever, at times funny-----Murdoc is MacGyver's archnemesis, the one name, the one voice that MacGyver dreads, someone who gets a kick out of messing with MacGyver's mind, he's not just a killer, he seeks out anything and anyone to get at Mac and that makes him different and a better villian than all the rest.|
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 10 January 2009 - 02:04 PM|
| Wow. Someone voted poor.
Someone hates Murdoc.
|Posted by: Liz1976 11 January 2009 - 05:19 PM|
And they didn't say why. You know the creepiest part about Murdoc and I didn't think about it before when I commented, but the creepiest part is that laugh---the one in Halloween Knights, before he says Happy Halloween MacGyver and the one in Obsessed--dang that gives me shivers.
|Posted by: Miasma 12 January 2009 - 08:50 AM|
| As a kid, I LOVED the Murdoc episodes, and I would have voted Excellent back then. These days, though, I'm a bit less impressed. I still like Murdoc, but there's something a bit TOO cartoonish about him. He's kind of like the Wyle E Coyote of the MacGyver universerse-- always coming up with overly elaborate plots to kill Mac, and always falling victim to his own traps in the end. It's hard to really see him as threatening or scary. I prefer Dr. Zito these days.
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 12 January 2009 - 01:58 PM|
yeah I would pretty much agree with that assessment.
I'm pretty sure Murdoc was never meant to be scary evil though.
|Posted by: Liz1976 14 January 2009 - 03:40 AM|
MacsChick and I are in agreement: Murdoc is a Goauld. How else is he coming back to life after stuff like that. Yeah he could have escaped the fireball in partner, but the fall from the Widowmaker, well how else do you explain it?
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 14 January 2009 - 01:08 PM|
Isn't it obvious?
The hell bent preoccupation with killing MacGyver, the constant failing to do so; The inability to be killed off...
He's a terminator! Just look at his face in Widowmaker.
|Posted by: Liz1976 14 January 2009 - 01:21 PM|
|Posted by: ScreamingBansheila 15 January 2009 - 09:11 AM|
I agree, when I watch the Murdoc episodes, I keep waiting for his eyes to flash gold (Any wouldn't that be creepy!). And there are quite a few other MacGyver/Stargate fans that have explored this angle. There is one particular crossover fanfic (one of my favorites) that, while it hasn't gone into any detail yet, kind of explores why it is that Murdoc keeps 'coming back fromt he dead.'
I also agree that he was supposed to be more of a creepy evil then a scary evil, at least thats the way I saw it.
If you're interested the fanfic I was talking about is called the "Thicker than Water" series, and you can find it on a website called Eshers Jest, by author Maggie.
|Posted by: MacGirl 1 February 2009 - 08:09 PM|
| Murdoc always gave me a serious case of the creeps. However, his character was balanced out with just enough humor to keep from being truly frightening.
I think the reason that he was always falling victim to his own plots was rather simple: he hated Mac (and Pete) so much that it screwed up his thinking.
Much as I liked Murdoc, I really would have liked for his character to have been fleshed out a bit more. For instance, I would love to have seen how he and Pete crossed paths in the first place, and why he took such a hatred to Pete, and later, to Mac. I also would love to have found out more about why he made the choices he did that led him to do what he was doing. (What on earth drives someone to choose to become a hit man??) And finally, I would have liked to have seen just a bit more of him: some foreshadowing, like a brief scene towards the end of an episode, a few episodes before he actually shows up as part of the main plot. A sort of, "Uh, oh, what's he doing now and when is he going to strike?" kind of thing.
In one of my fics (which I rather doubt I'll ever finish!) I give Murdoc some history. That was actually the relatively easy part of it. Guess I've been writing Murdoc's "backstory" in my head for years now...
|Posted by: Murdoc12 10 March 2009 - 09:23 AM|
|Murdoc is awesome. No denying that. He is creepy, inventive, musical, and has the awesomest ways to kill people. Oh and he has creepy realistic disguises (Watch "Partners") Yeah he is awesome.|
|Posted by: Caroline 10 March 2009 - 10:47 AM|
|I can't stand Murdoc. He's so... irritating and, yeah, he's just a bad guy. very bad. I'm not very fond of episodes with him.|
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 11 March 2009 - 12:54 AM|
Thats a perspective we don't see much of around here.
Who would your favorite bad guy be?
|Posted by: Caroline 11 March 2009 - 05:39 AM|
| hehe, I know that it's rare what I think about Murdoc but I hate him from first episode when he wanted to kill Mac & Pete. I prefer quite conventional bad guys. But on the other hands, no always too (vide goauld's)
Generally, Murdoc is irritating for me with his indestructibleness (I hope you know what I mean) Good 'bad guy' can't be immortal. It breaks fun!
Sure, episodes with him are good (but not excellent) and have lots of nice moments but aren't my favourite.
|Posted by: Murdoc12 11 March 2009 - 09:14 AM|
|WOW. That is interesting. I always thought his indestructiblility-whatever-you-call-it was pretty cool, because you have a reoccuring character who also "dies."|
|Posted by: aatgmac 11 March 2009 - 10:23 AM|
|I like Murdoc mainly I think because of the way he plays of Mac, the dialogue, the way he infuriates Mac especially in Halloween Nights and Strictly Business, is commical whilst deadly...interesting mix|
|Posted by: Murdoc12 20 March 2009 - 09:36 AM|
Yeah, Murdoc is pretty cool that way. He bugs Mac with what he says. Really cool .
|Posted by: SMeeceymouse 21 March 2009 - 09:21 AM|
| I like the character of Murdoc, especially in Halloween Knights. He shows to Mac and the audience that he does have a heart and a weakness for his sister (Ashton). I really don't like how he was forced to go back on his word to Mac when he tried to rejoin HIT.
I would love to see (if and when the movie comes out) some information about Murdoc's childhood.
|Posted by: Murdoc12 23 March 2009 - 03:43 PM|
Yeah, they don't really tell us much about him.
|Posted by: SMeeceymouse 1 April 2009 - 08:21 AM|
|I know that he has a heart because he supports his sister Ashton, and when he goes back to HIT he tries to get out of killing Mac because he gave his word. But it just makes me wonder what his childhood was like. Just an idea.|
|Posted by: Liz1976 1 April 2009 - 08:26 AM|
|I agree. I don't think that Murdoc had much of a childhood. I wonder too what the age differnce was between Murdoc and Ashton. I would be interested too to see Murdoc's file to check for any military experience and intelligence training.|
|Posted by: SMeeceymouse 1 April 2009 - 11:43 AM|
|That's a great idea Liz. I know that Ashton was younger then Murdoc, and that he really loved her. But there is something there that just doesn't sit right. I guess I just want to see the good in the character. I mean there must have been something that caused him to go bad, but not all bad.|
|Posted by: RamonCota 4 April 2009 - 04:39 PM|
| murdoc = always entertaining!!!!! he looks an interesting guy too.
used to creep me out all the time when i was little cos of his scary burnt face and evil laugh of his....lol
|Posted by: Beachbead 5 April 2009 - 06:16 AM|
|he was one of thoses characters that put his all in every kill he did.|
|Posted by: macsgirl1 5 May 2009 - 09:19 PM|
I voted poor because ,yes, I dispise Murdoc. Why would anyone want to hurt Mac?
|Posted by: HERBALTLADY 6 June 2009 - 08:26 AM|
|Don't get me wrong here, I like how Murdoc is mischeif at times, it makes the show more action packed! "Where's that duct tape when you need it?!"|
|Posted by: macsgirl1 17 June 2009 - 02:53 PM|
|I must say that Murdoc is the type of bad guy that you love to hate. He somewhat redeemed himself in Halloween Nights until he went back to "normal". He also showed he had a small heart in Strictly Business when he helped MacGyver get his memory back before he tried to kill him again. However he needed to re-think the duct tape comment.|
|Posted by: Liz1976 17 June 2009 - 05:29 PM|
Well in the beginning (Partners) Mac was in Murdoc's way--wrong place, wrong time, then 7 years later it was about revenge.
I think that in Widowmaker and Cleo Rocks it was about revenge with getting paid big bucks as a plus. In Cleo Rocks too, Murdoc was after Pete too.
Strictly Business was all about getting back his reputation and about money.
Obsessed---well, I think that Murdoc simply wanted to mess with Mac's mind, and his job, reputation and cause him great amounts of sleep deprivation before kiling him.
Question: In which episode do you think that Murdoc was at his most diabolical?
|Posted by: MacGyverOnline 17 June 2009 - 05:48 PM|
| That question might be worth it's own thread; if there isn't already one for it.
|Posted by: macsgirl1 17 June 2009 - 06:06 PM|
|The Widowmaker. It was an emotional time for MacGyver and Murdoc didn't give him time to grieve.|
|Posted by: SMeeceymouse 20 June 2009 - 04:30 PM|
|I always felt kind of sorry for Murdoc. I think he was a great character. Just wish we had known a little bit more about his background and what made him tick.|
|Posted by: Shiloh 28 September 2009 - 02:03 AM|
| Oh, I loved Murdoc!!!!
Michael played him so perfectly!
I just watched "The Widowmaker" again last night, after many many years,
and when I saw Murdoc, I was so
I mean, I don't like it when people try to hurt Mac (or anyone),
but, Murdoc just does it so well!!!!!
My only complaint was that he should have been in the series more than he was!
|Posted by: MacGyver and Magnum, pi 9 November 2009 - 06:42 PM|
|Although the episodes with Murdoc were extremely good, all I could do was just hate Murdoc through the TV because he just wasn't a very likable character.|
|Posted by: ebonaskavi 11 November 2009 - 06:13 PM|
| I adored Murdoc - he was a very, very determined man!
All though ... he was determined to destroy Mac - which wasn't certainly wasn't all that nice!
|Posted by: hackssh 19 November 2009 - 07:23 PM|
| Excellent character
Immortal and insane
Eyes full of madness -flame thrower scene, ripping the mask in Cleo
Great sense of humour - grenade in Knights
|Posted by: Rinceoir 12 April 2010 - 07:13 PM|
| Murdoc's either my favourite character or a very close second. Love the way he and Mac interact - he brings out aspects of MacGyver's personality we wouldn't otherwise see, helps to fill out the character even more.
Wish we could've learned more about Murdoc. He's inventive (often to his own undoing), persistent, talented and nearly indestructible. And under his diabolical persona, there's a good heart and a sense of honour. His backstory must be interesting, to say the least.
He seems like a man proud of his skills and accomplishments, so it must have killed him to have to stuff his pride and ask MacGyver for help. Made for a great episode, though.
|Posted by: deepfathom393 24 April 2010 - 09:22 AM|
|I think Murdoc is probably the creepiest and most psycho bad guy, but sometimes he come across as a little cheesy....still, that can translate as melodrama. And sometimes I think Murdoc thinks too hard and that's why Mac always gets away in the end. I mean, Mac has escaped from him how many times??? and just by simple means like cutting a climbing rope....|
|Posted by: MurDaltonfan 20 July 2010 - 01:23 PM|
|I voted excellent! Murdoc is my favorite character. I love his general creepiness.|
|Posted by: jaebird 7 August 2010 - 06:40 AM|
|My sister and I agree that Murdoc's one of the best villains ever, but she still insists that he should have killed Macgyver in the end...|
|Posted by: MacGirl 2 September 2010 - 06:59 PM|
| I was intrigued when it turned out Murdoc had a sister... made him more interesting. Also, I often thought of Murdoc as the flip side of Mac... what Mac would have been like had he been a bad guy. And yet, for all of Murdoc's creepiness, his humanity did show through from time to time. He wasn't totally one-dimensional.
Murdoc definitely ranks as one of my all-time favorite fictional villains... right up there with Voldemort (yes, I'm a Harry Potter fan, if you haven't figured that out from my signature).
|Posted by: Miasma 14 September 2010 - 11:36 AM|
Haha... I was just saying to my girlfriend the other day that it would have been hilarious if on the final episode, as Mac and SAM ride off into the sunset, their motorcycles suddenly explode killing them both, and then we cut to a scene of Murdoc hiding behind a tree with a remote detonator, laughing, and saying, "Gotcha!"
|Posted by: Makedde 5 March 2011 - 11:28 PM|
| I think he's awesome. I've seen two episodes featuring him so far and I love him. I can't remember the other episodes he is in, I may have been too young at the time to remember those early episodes.
He's creepy, funny, insane, and just plain bonkers. Whats not to like?
|Posted by: spencerific93 16 June 2011 - 08:42 PM|
|My favorite villain (and possibly my favorite irregular character). He was unpredictable, maniacal, and completely insane, making him a fun character to watch. And yet, at the same time, he was not just a flat, typical villain. His character had depth, and it is shown that he definitely has a sense of humanity (especially in Halloween Knights).|
|Posted by: Telah777 8 November 2011 - 07:32 PM|
| My brother and I use to cheer for Murdoc and got all excited to see him try and get Mac. Something about villans like that, I just love them. I also like Sylar in Heroes.
That would be creepy if Murdoc had abilities like Sylar, the indestructible one would explain why he keeps coming back and all his wounds would heal. That would for sure freak Mac out if he saw that!
|Posted by: KiwiTek 19 July 2012 - 02:43 AM|
| Murdoc's Best Moments
|Posted by: Tobop 28 July 2012 - 09:39 AM|
| To me, Murdoch has always scared me. It's only recently that I've seen episodes where he talks a bit about his past. He tries to push the blame on Mac, but also trying to impress other assassins.
Still a psycho though, excellent character.
|Posted by: MiracleMac 17 September 2012 - 03:27 AM|
|Murdoc is like a nightmare, appearing to wrong place in wrong time.|
|Posted by: MacGyverisms 7 February 2013 - 06:56 PM|
|Murdoc is the right amount of being insane, creepy, professional and funny all at the same time.|
|Posted by: AussieMacFan 16 February 2013 - 03:18 PM|
| Murdoc is my favourite bad guy
I usually sit there laughing at him though...
Should have had more Murdoc episodes!
|Posted by: KiwiTek 16 February 2013 - 06:55 PM|
| Yeah there is a certain amount of Wylie Coyote amusement to Murdoc, although at the same time the way he finds death and torment to be as highly amusing and entertaining as he apparently does adds to his evilness. So it kind of works both ways at once.
|Posted by: AussieMacFan 15 March 2013 - 12:49 AM|
| http://www.scaryforkids.com/shades-of-death/ kind of reminded me of Murdoc, the photos part.
Note: Some people may find someof the stories on Scary For Kids disturbing etc...
|Posted by: KiwiTek 15 March 2013 - 01:05 AM|
| How does it remind you of Murdoc?
|Posted by: AussieMacFan 15 March 2013 - 01:44 AM|
| Photos being his calling card, the whole taking pictures of your victims...
Lets just say everything reminds me of something linked to MacGyver.
|Posted by: Rocket 31 March 2013 - 02:48 AM|
| I think Murdoc is great.
He walks that tightrope-thin line between creepily insane on one side and laughably cheesy on the other without ever falling off
Having just watched 'Two Times Trouble', I also find it interesting that Michael des Barres, villain extraordinaire and recovered trustee of modern chemistry, was one of the founding members of Rock Against Drugs.
|Posted by: MDBfan 31 March 2013 - 07:12 AM|
I haven't thought about that.
|Posted by: AussieMacFan 31 March 2013 - 04:30 PM|
|Indeed, some interesting stories associate with MDB.|
|Posted by: Rocket 1 April 2013 - 11:49 AM|
| They really do - according to Wikipedia (that veritable font of all knowledge!), he's also done volunteer addiction counselling and worked with homeless teens. Could the MacGyver state of mind have rubbed off on him too?
In other news, he's a serious musician and has done tons of TV acting besides being Murdoc...
|Posted by: AussieMacFan 14 May 2013 - 02:51 AM|
|He's just damn awesome!|
|Posted by: MDBfan 14 May 2013 - 08:20 AM|
|Posted by: YopeGyver 14 May 2013 - 08:28 AM|
| I voted EXCELLENT!!!!
I think Murdoc was an awesome villain! When I first saw him in an episode, I was reminded of Sherlock Holmes' arch-nemesis, Moriarty. I enjoy clever villains. Especially the ones that can't be killed.
|Posted by: Scwilson 7 August 2013 - 04:57 PM|
|The best nemesis in the series. He reminds me of Edward Enigma A.K.A. The Riddler. He keeps you guessing.|
|Posted by: Jaz 5 September 2013 - 03:01 PM|
| Does anyone else think Murdoc is cute ?
I know he's evil and creepy to most people. I think his laugh is adorable. His burnt face doesn't even turn me off. I even found his fake skin pealing off in scene Cleo Rocks was attractive.
(I really think Murdocs MacGyver impersonation was the cutest thing )
|Posted by: AussieMacFan 5 September 2013 - 03:12 PM|
| Well, ok, I'll admit, he is kinda cute...
I'm just going to admit right now that at the moment I've moved obsession from MacGyver to Michael Des Barres...
|Posted by: Jaz 5 September 2013 - 03:49 PM|
|You're not the only one. I don't know if I should be on Macs side or Murdocs haha. And you know he's more then KINDA cute I will always be a Mac girl but lately I've been fangirling over Murdoc.|
|Posted by: AussieMacFan 5 September 2013 - 04:06 PM|
|Totally agree with you! I'm the same! *goes off and fangirls to the tune of a few of his songs*|
|Posted by: Jaz 5 September 2013 - 04:44 PM|
|I love his work in the Power Station!|
|Posted by: AussieMacFan 5 September 2013 - 05:19 PM|
|oh yes, definitely. Have you seen his Live Aid performance?|
|Posted by: Jaz 5 September 2013 - 05:41 PM|
|Yes! I am so in love with Andy and John Taylor (Big Duran Duran fan) and Michael was great especially on Murderous|
|Posted by: AussieMacFan 5 September 2013 - 06:04 PM|
|I'll admit I cried when I first watched that performance...|
|Posted by: Jaz 6 September 2013 - 02:30 AM|
| You cried ?
I cried at him before too I cry a lot when it comes to people I like.
|Posted by: YopeGyver 6 September 2013 - 07:17 AM|
| Oh no! Another Murdoc sidekick!
If you'd care to join Aussie and Murdoc in their plot against MacGyver, feel free to join our little roleplay! We're very informal.
|Posted by: Jaz 6 September 2013 - 08:59 AM|
| I would love to join in
I've never done RolePlay like that so it may take me a while to fit in haha
Last MacGyver RolePlay I done I ended up dating Murdoc and then Jack Dalton
But hopefully I will fit in
Thank you for inviting me (I'm extremely shy)
|Posted by: YopeGyver 6 September 2013 - 09:31 AM|
| I'm sure you'll fit in just fine! And you're very welcome, glad to have you with us! Here's the link: http://www.macgyveronline.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7304&st=60entry1000061170
Haha! Your last RP sounded awesome! Another one I'm in on another site, Murdoc has a sister who's just like him. XD
|Posted by: Jaz 6 September 2013 - 10:51 AM|
| Thanks I'll just jump right in haha
There's other places to do Mac RP ?
I RPed through messages with a friend haha .
|Posted by: YopeGyver 6 September 2013 - 11:57 AM|
| Haha! Not really that I know of. I stumbled on someone with the username "Murdoc" and we started chatting and turns out she was a Mac fan. We have a 1x1 in a RP section of the other site's forum.
Which reminds, I should go reply - it's been awhile since I responded.
On another note, there was a poll/survey on the best bad guys on TV, and I said, "MURDOC!" Found some more MacGyver fans that way.
|Posted by: Jaz 6 September 2013 - 12:53 PM|
| I wan to make some MacGyver fan friends but I'm too shy to Personal Message someone haha
And for a bad guy Murdocs a pretty popular guy haha
|Posted by: AussieMacFan 6 September 2013 - 03:27 PM|
|He's the best villain out! Be bold, personal message people! Not many of us bite|
|Posted by: Jaz 6 September 2013 - 04:42 PM|
| He's also the cutest and most talented
I'm not bold at all haha I'm quite shy. I normally wait for someone else to approce me. But I'll try to talk to someone.
|Posted by: AussieMacFan 7 September 2013 - 12:34 AM|
| I'm pretty shy actually, but I usually be bold and cover it up with crazy!
PM me! I'd love to chat!
|Posted by: MDBfan 7 September 2013 - 07:33 AM|
|Hello Jaz! It's nice meeting another Murdoc and Michael Des Barres fangirl. Personal message me!|
|Posted by: Jaz 7 September 2013 - 12:56 PM|
|Thanks for being so friendly Aussie and MDBfan|
|Posted by: MDBfan 7 September 2013 - 01:19 PM|
|Posted by: YopeGyver 7 September 2013 - 01:24 PM|
|Feel free to PM me as well! I enjoy chatting with new people!|
|Posted by: Jaz 7 September 2013 - 01:24 PM|
|Thank you, Yope|
|Posted by: Rocket 15 September 2013 - 10:12 AM|
I've just been and watched it on Youtube - I'd forgotten he was in it.
He proper gets into it, doesn't he!
|Posted by: Harry1982 3 August 2014 - 03:08 PM|
|I voted excellent. Back in childhood it was the highlight of the season to see the Murdoc episode and he was truly a beloved character. Nowadays he feels less intimidating and more of a cheesy character, but it's not a bad thing though, since he's extremely enjoyable, entertaining and has a great sense of humor. Hands down he's one of the best nemesis in tv history and I wouldn't take my MacGyver without him.|
|Posted by: Jediferret 3 August 2014 - 07:04 PM|
| I remember as a kid Murdoc used to scare the crap out of me. I remember watching Widowmaker when it first aired, and that episode gave me nightmares for years. lol
I just love Murdoc as a villain, he's so fantastically evil you can't help but like him.
|Posted by: denizen 4 August 2014 - 12:47 PM|
| Murdoc is the perfect 1980's villian. Television was VERY different back in those days and this was the most excessive that villians became. As times changed, so did villians and nowadays they are truly disturbing at times.
I guess the thing is that one could associate with MacGyver because it was a fun but thrilling fantasy with a positive outlook on life. In todays shows, everything is real and the fantasy factor is somewhat removed.
|Posted by: Jediferret 5 August 2014 - 08:45 AM|
|Well, Murdoc is a good example of that. Part of the fantasy was wondering HOW he always survived? I was always perplexed. XD|
|Posted by: cmbj67 5 August 2014 - 12:48 PM|
| Me too, but it's a show for kids and I like episodes with him, so I just don't wonder how he did.
I like the character because sometimes he's very bad , frightening , but sometimes he can also be goodhearted, as in Halloween Knights and Cleo Rocks.
|Posted by: Harry1982 6 August 2014 - 05:46 AM|
|Murdoc had different kind of knives, does anyone know what was he using?|
|Posted by: Hannibal_Smith 8 August 2014 - 12:20 PM|
| Murdoc was never used *quite* as well as he could have been. I mentioned on the relevant episode thread that I wish he was more like Piedra – the scenes with Piedra making lethal MacGyverisms out of everyday objects and moments like him breaking out of prison, there are ways he felt like a better anti-MacGyver.
But Murdoc just had that theatrical, charismatic, larger-than-life personality that made him incredibly fun to watch. And what turned out to be a great story arc and some hidden depths. He’s easily my favorite villain in not just MacGyver but all of eighties television.
|Posted by: Harry1982 8 August 2014 - 05:23 PM|
| I really loved the Assassin and Piedra in it. I have always wondered if he was something that later on created Murdoc to the serie. Piedra definitely had some quality to him and even though he wasn't exactly like Murdoc, there were some similarities. Piedra ranks also pretty high on my list on villains of the show. He felt like anti-MacGyver like you said Hannibal. Love the fight between Macgyver and Piedra in the clockshop or the scene where Piedra escapes the cell.
By the way, Anthony De Longis played Blade villain in the Masters of the Universe movie.
|Posted by: DaveS 17 August 2014 - 08:28 AM|
| I was disappointed in the Murdoc episodes, which were rather campy and unrealistic. There was alot of realism in Macgyver, but in these episodes it stretches all credulity for this guy Murdoc to have escaped death every time with not even a hint of an explanation about how he did it.
Not only that, but how did he manage to set up all his contraptions so easily and without detection? In "Strictly Business" he managed to get the money and food for an elaborate table in Macgyver's apartment without being detected, as he did previously in Jack Dalton's apartment, where he planted a bomb.
There is no reason a couple of minutes could not have been dedicated to explaining these strange anomalies.
Furthermore, we get no background at all about the life and events of Murdoc that enabled him to operate the way he did without detection.
Finally, if it was so easy for him to track down Macgyver, why couldn't the Phoenix Foundation track down Murdoc? Where did he live? Where did he hang out? The Foundation managed to track down all kinds of obscure details on people except for Murdoc......
Then again, wasn't Pete Thornton the original enemy of Murdoc, yet HIT and Murdoc forgot all about him.
|Posted by: denizen 17 August 2014 - 08:52 AM|
| Hey Dave,
Welcome to MacGyverOnline. Some great points you have raised there.
In all honesty, I think everyone wondered how Murdoc managed to survive everytime he faced certain death. MacGyver came out at a time when shows did not necessarily throw in too much characterisation or development when it came to its occasional or supporting cast. There was also a fun factor involved in not knowing.
Campiness was the norm. Look at the A-Team for instance. Family entertainment consisted of drama, action and adventure without the reality of life. It was fantasy. Where MacGyver rose above others was the logic of his MacGyverisms and his good spirited personality.
Looking at TV now, its all about the nitty gritty & harsh realities. Even disturbing at times. Most like that sort of thing.
When I used to watch MacGyver, I was just 11 years old but it was incredible & scared the hell out of me at times. Again, it was a different age & TV was innocent.
As time went by, television started changing to soceity.
|Posted by: DaveS 17 August 2014 - 08:59 AM|
| Yes, you're right, but I still feel they overdid the campiness with Murdoc. Come to think of it, many endings of many episodes left things hanging. If Macgyver and company were out in the middle of nowhere with no access to phones (or cell phones!) or neighbors, HOW did he get back from that gas station with those bad guys watched with a gun? How long did it take to find the airport before turning around and getting those kids back from the hiking area?
And HOW MANY TIMES could one man get beaten, kicked, hit, banged up, knocked unconscious before it affects his health and ability to function?
Ah well, the world of television....... ;-)
|Posted by: MacGyverGod 17 August 2014 - 10:10 AM|
| Murdoc's a man of mystery. The less we know about him, the better. And I think most of his episodes were like: 'forget logic, this is Murdoc.'
It's also good that we don't know how it comes that he keeps coming back. The guy got a building on his head, blew himself up with his dynamite, fell of mountain, electrocuted and drowned, threw a grenade on his own boss, fell in a mineshaft and drove a car into a cliff.
After he fell of the mountain, death was a certainty. You might wonder why didn't Mac jump in the pool to look for the body himself in Cleo Rocks or why didn't he go down the mineshaft in Strictly Business? Maybe the scream and the echoing bang was enough?
As far as doing things undetected is concerned... it's called breaking in. Waiting till the occupants of the residence are gone to strike.
You have seen Strictly Business. Murdoc says MacGyver is the only blemish on his otherwise spotless record. So he obviously got paid on his other contracts, that's where he gets the money from for the food. Do you really consider it odd that he wasn't noticed? This guy is a pro. And even if he was noticed would you think it's odd if you see someone bringing food into a house?
But you obviously haven't seen Halloween Knights. That episode shed a little light on Murdoc's background.
Phoenix never tracked down Murdoc, because he was believed to be dead. And each time he showed up, he ended up dead. Or dead-ish. Point is believed to be dead by mostly everyone except for MacGyver. That's how he became 'Obsessed' and Murdoc is still out there. Also where he lived and hangs out, you find your answer in Halloween Knights. Also in that episode Mac mentions that he read Murdoc's file. So Phoenix does have a file on him and probably a complete as possible one. Probably going back to the days the DXS was looking for him.
Pete hunted down Murdoc all over the world as stated in Partners before he met MacGyver. Apparently all the way into Lisbon and to Murdoc's count they've been at each other for like 10-15 years. On the hunt he met MacGyver who helped him out. After they chased Murdoc into a demolition zone, the explosives went off. Again Murdoc believed to be dead life just went on. Mac and Pete became partners and Mac joined the DXS until they both transfer to Phoenix. Seven years pass and Murdoc captures them both in a trailer. Thanks to Mac they could escape and I think Murdoc couldn't accept that. He hold him responsible for his failure with the trailer, the broken bones, the scars. Maybe Mac is a better challenge for Murdoc. After all they are each others match.
To me the Murdoc episodes are the better episodes. Maybe with exception of Cleo Rocks. Seriously, staging a full blown musical to get to Mac?
A character like Murdoc is fun. He's a badass and with most badasses you gotta keep something in mind: don't take it too serious. After all it's just fiction.
|Posted by: Harry1982 17 August 2014 - 12:14 PM|
|Murdoc was the ultimate badass of that era. Fun, adventure, fantasy factors lived strong, it didn't need to be realistic about everything. It's something that I really love and miss about the old times. There were lots of over the top characters in the 80's for example, something that you don't see nowadays. Many of them may seem a bit comic today, but times were different back then. I have always enjoyed Murdoc episodes and even though he's not scary as in the childhood, he's tremendously funny and entertaining. Majority of the people has voted Murdoc as excellent character and his episodes are highly rated among the fans. I myself could not think MacGyver without Murdoc, it definitely gives richness to the show to have him around.|
|Posted by: DaveS 17 August 2014 - 01:01 PM|
| I guess while we're at it, I'll verbalize my wonder how it was possible for Pete and Macgyver to live in apartments without proper high class security and warning systems. All that kind of stuff that would be expected in such circumstances. But of course it's hard not to laugh about life before the age of cell phones or GPS systems. If just those two elements existed, I guess there would have been no Macgyver show at all. ;-)
Then there is the mystery of why the writers were able to reference European countries by their true names, but use fictional names for Latin American and African countries. There was San Pablo and another couple of countries, but then there was Russia, China, etc.
Mystery of mysteries - why there was no explicit reference to the big Israel-Palestinian conflict and its assorted implications. Then there was the other side of the show: the Challengers Club for the kids at risk, and the assorted personal cases that didn't involve the Phoenix Foundation.
And did Pete have a staff that covered for him when he was away, or filled in for him? A deputy director of Operations, etc.?
And the most "nagging" question: How was the Phoenix Foundation going to function without Macgyver and also without Pete? Who was going to successfully handle all those tough cases around the world, dealing with the environment, the inner city, and everything else? And what happened to poor Pete after going blind and presumably quitting his job, and Macgyver at 40 years old with a whole future in front of him, with or without his son?
|Posted by: MacGyverGod 17 August 2014 - 02:06 PM|
| Pete lived in an apartment building as shown in Early Retirement. Mac and Nikki got in thanks to the maid. So I assume there had to be some kind of guard. Mac usually lived in places with lots of peoples so I guess everybody watched each others back (this being in the day neighbors didn't bark at each other) and if he's not at home, Pete usually checks in every once in a while as seen in The Widowmaker.
Why would be it a mystery for using fictional countries in Latin America? Could've been a choice of the writers. It's not only Latina America. Also Africa has fictional countries in Macverse. Kambezi (Black Rhino) and the country he helped in Brainwashed. Kabulstan/Ammukash, Samadia and the nation of the Azmirs.
I think the Israel/Palestina conflict wasn't as topical than as it is now. And if it was I don't think people needed to be reminded about a forever ongoing conflict in their show when they want to get a load of a few things. It's the same thing as with the Russian/Afghan war. Only mentioned once very briefly in Gold Rush, they never mentioned it in the show. And that war lasted almost a decade.
What is so mysterious about the other aspects of the show? It shows MacGyver has a wide variety of interests and will help out whoever needs help. It can't always involve the Foundation.
When Pete is away his secretary Helen fills in for him. She shows up mostly in season 3 and 4. I'd like to think the other personel knows what they have to do when Pete is absent.
How many episodes have you actually seen? MacGyver and Pete don't own the Foundation, it'll function without them as well. There is a board doing all the meetings. And the chairman of the Board is called Farrell. Also seen in Early Retirement. Pete is a board member That is a heavy Phoenix Foundation related episode. MacGyver, Pete and Nikki are all high ranking staff members.
Pete was still able to do his job after eye surgery and there's no way to indicate Pete was going to quit his job. MacGyver's resignation was just a quick way to end the show. It seems indeed a little far fetched for him to retire at 40. But that's how it happened.
|Posted by: MatGyver 17 August 2014 - 03:01 PM|
| I love the Murdoc episodes. I watched MacGyver when I was a kid. If I had started watching as an adult I probably wouldn't feel the same way. That said, Murdoc in Macgyver isn't the only unrealistic aspect of the show. Most of it is unrealistic. It's fun. That's why I like it.
One of my favorite episodes, Cleo Rocks, is probably the most absurd Murdoc episode. Jacque looked just like Murdoc. He wasn't disguised one bit. Mac should have probably given up his day job after that episode. But it is one of my favorites, mainly for its nostalgic value.
|Posted by: Miasma 20 August 2014 - 11:18 AM|
| As a kid, I used to love the Murdoc episodes because I thought they were the scariest ones. Now, I find them hilarious. So they're still entertaining episodes, but on a totally different level.
As for why they used fictional South American countries-- I think sometimes it was simply because the writers were creating fictional circumstances. For example, if they wanted to do an episode about a revolution and an evil dictator, they had to make up a fictional country since they couldn't really show Mac taking on a real-life dictator. Fictional countries gave them more leeway in that regard.
And regarding Mac living with little security: I asked the same thing a while back. He doesn't even bother to lock his door sometimes. I mean, the guy has made enemies all over the world, and a good percentage of his ex-girlfriends are psychopaths, yet he takes fewer precautions than most regular people do. Yeah, it's silly. But that's just how t.v. was back then.
I think it would be interesting to see how MacGyver would be done in today's world. Back in the 80s, characters never evolved. No matter how many times Mac watched friends die, or was betrayed by people, he was always smiling by the next episode, and always willing to help someone else. Nothing really had any lasting impact on him. In the 80s tv world, that was the norm. Good guys always had to be good guys. Today, though, his character would likely evolve. The bad experiences would gradually change his outlook on life. He'd become more cynical, less trusting, etc.
|Posted by: DaveS 20 August 2014 - 01:10 PM|
|Poor Murdoc. Has no real character at all. Kind of like Wiley the Coyote chasing after the Road Runner. Nothing to describe where he lived, how he got involved with HIT and why, anything of his life, etc. Just a bad guy out there. At the end of Obsessions after apparently being burned up in the military jeep he is calling Macgyver. So poor Macgyver can never know how his life will go because Murdoc may pop up without any advance notice. Yet once Macgyver leaves the Phoenix Foundation, would Murdoc still have an incentive to kill Macgyver? At least he could have gone after Pete when he was going blind and became so vulnerable.....|
|Posted by: MacGyverGod 21 August 2014 - 03:24 AM|
|Murdoc will keep going after Mac. It's a never ending story. I think Murdoc takes it kinda personal, that he never got Mac.|
|Posted by: Joe SAKic 21 August 2014 - 04:08 AM|
Murdoc had a supernatural element attached to his character. It allowed the script writers to push his episode de jour that much more and still have him return for another. That's it, that's all!
|Posted by: MACGYVERISMYDAD 21 August 2014 - 04:56 AM|
|Just watched Cleo Rocks last night. Its funny when you really think about it. Murdoc rents a theater, sets up and directs a play on Cleopatra just so he can kill Mac and Pete. That sure seems like a lot of work to go through when he could have just waited for them outside their homes or the Phoenix Foundation. He must have went through a lot of time and money developing Cleo Rocks play. Plus he had to hire the cast members and everything. Really funny when you stop and think about it.|
|Posted by: Harry1982 21 August 2014 - 06:28 AM|
Cleo Rocks is one ludicrous episode and has a laughable appearance by Murdoc, including the worst disguise ever. Even as a young kid I identified Murdoc immediately, so it was puzzling that MacGyver didn't. Still we like to watch Cleo Rocks, despite all of the foolishness of it . It's guilty pleasure, it's fun and entertaining.
By the way Monsieur Murdoc had a crush on Penny, yes?
|Posted by: Miasma 21 August 2014 - 07:43 AM|
Yes, EXACTLY like Wyle E. Coyote. I've described him that way myself a few times.
The only reaon I think Murdoc works as well as he does (for most of us) is because of Michael Des Barres' performance. He managed to take what is essentially a cartoon character and somehow make him very watchable. You can just tell that he's having fun with the role, which, in turn, helps the audience have fun with it, too.
|Posted by: MACGYVERISMYDAD 21 August 2014 - 08:04 AM|
|Also find it funny when Pete has photos of Murdoc that you knew noone was there to take. There is a photo of Murdoc posing with a gun, dressed up like Sarah ect. How did Pete get these photos lol|
|Posted by: Miasma 21 August 2014 - 09:28 AM|
Cleo Rocks is hilarious on so many levels. I remember watching that with my ex gf, and she was practically peeing on herself from laughing so hard at the absurdity of it. She actually made me pause it a few times so she could regain her composure.
Not only did Murdoc write a play, hire actors, rent a theater, costumes, etc, etc, he also rigged up that whole booby trap arrangement under the theater. And even after all that, he STILL failed to accomplish anything, which I think makes him officially the world's worst hitman ever.
What's funny is that he's supposed to be such a formidable enemy and yet he's completely inept.
|Posted by: Harry1982 21 August 2014 - 10:00 AM|
Lol, that's just too funny . You had to pause, hilarious . I also remember something funny. Me and wife, we used to watch MacGyver together when we met 13 years ago and as we watched Cleo Rocks, she had no idea that Jacques was Murdoc and I was about to burst into laugh since she didn't have a clue and it was obvious. When it was revealed she said "I knew it, no honestly I knew it all the time'', I was laughing so hard to her
But anyway, how ridiculous it may be, we always wanna watch it no matter what and enjoy the ride over and over again
|Posted by: MDBfan 21 August 2014 - 01:13 PM|
| Hey! Am I the only one who didn't know that Jacques was Murdoc?
Ok, it isn't much of a disguise. But I hadn't watched MacGyver in years and I didn't recognize him!
I love the Murdoc episodes and I don't have a problem with some things being a bit unrealistic. It's entertaining and as Denizen said, today's shows can get a little too realistic and disturbing some times. (That said, I used to be scared of Murdoc!)
To come to Murdoc's defence: According to Murdoc, he has a spotless record, so I guess he is more effective when MacGyver is not involved.
Maybe they were selfies?
|Posted by: cmbj67 21 August 2014 - 02:26 PM|
Me too. I like episodes with Murdoc, even if I know it's impossible that he survives everytime. They are entertaining.
It's a show after all. I just enjoy it without too many questions.
|Posted by: Harry1982 21 August 2014 - 02:59 PM|
Same here. It's tv show for crying out loud Besides not everything needs to be explained always, since there should be some room for mystery and to your imagination.
|Posted by: MacGyverGod 21 August 2014 - 03:30 PM|
|Cleo Rocks decent moments were the trap and the fight, that's it. But I admit, I like Murdoc's more direct approaches. The dude has guns, knives, mines, flamethrowers, bazookas, rocket launchers, dynamite, grenades, bombs and an axe. Maybe he figured that all didn't work before so that's why he tried it subtle with a musical before going on a brief retirement to strike back afterwards with a vengeance.|
|Posted by: Jediferret 21 August 2014 - 08:52 PM|
| Murdoc is awesome. He scared me so much as a kid. lol I love Murdoc because he's so much fun. He's actually my second favorite villain after Albert Wesker from the Resident Evil franchise.
I like the mystery of Murdoc's survival to all his "deaths". Even Mac is like... "that's not possible" every time he has to deal with him. Murdoc is a funny kind of crazy, but they're the most dangerous because people like that are usually underestimated. But he got under Mac's skin, and caused him emotional distress with every encounter.
Poor Mac. lol I can only imagine how much he pays in therapy. Unless... Mac's therapist is Murdoc in disguise! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Granted, MacGyver isn't always very realistic, but I really don't care. That's the fun of fantasy. Realism is what real life is for... and sometimes realism isn't as much fun.
|Posted by: denizen 22 August 2014 - 04:14 AM|
|Nicely put, Jedi!|
|Posted by: AussieMacFan 26 October 2014 - 01:28 AM|
He always does, with everything haha
I love his dancing onstage though
|Posted by: Dancer 26 December 2014 - 03:08 AM|
| I remember the first time I saw Murdoc when I was little was in the episode with the flame thrower and it really scared me. I didn't like any of those episodes until I was a lot older.
|Posted by: Elizabeth MacGyver 3 May 2015 - 12:17 PM|
|I liked Murdock. He was an awesome villain. I'm not saying I like the bad guys on movies and tv shows I don't like them (except for Darth Vader he was cool) but I do think that he was a good challenge for MacGyver.|
|Posted by: Kristelle 3 May 2015 - 10:13 PM|
|I hated Murdoc when I was kid. He scared me, but I was always scared of psychopaths anyway. And the way he has to just show up when everyone though he was dead (why is he surviving the Widowmaker while Mike didn't?!) buhe is like the Coyote (then Mac has to be the Road Runner ), falls, explods, burns, gets crushed by trucks, and still climbing up on his rock to prepare a new develish plan to catch the Road Runner. I like the Coyote|
|Posted by: MacGyverGod 4 May 2015 - 10:16 AM|
|Posted by: Agent MacGyver! 14 May 2015 - 08:49 PM|
|In my opinion, and perhaps my memory is a little foggy, Murdoc only tried to kill Pete because Pete was chasing him while as a DSX agent. Murdoc likes being the hunter, not the hunted, so after Pete assumed Murdoc was dead, Pete stopped looking for Murdoc. Murdoc, on the other hand, gets a lot of pleasure chasing after a worthy foe - Macgyver, and probably doesn't deem Pete as a real threat. Especially since at the end, he was blind.|
|Posted by: Paladin 30 May 2015 - 08:14 AM|
Hate to burst everyone's bubble, but I thought you all knew....
Phoenix Foundation = NSA
Murdoc = JoeSAKic
|Posted by: KiwiTek 30 May 2015 - 08:04 PM|
Murdoc only kills when he's paid to, so I would assume that http://www.macgyveronline.com/pages/hit.html#.VWqGrPmqpBc had ordered a hit on Pete originally after they found him getting too close to Murdoc. Having said that I wouldn't put it past Murdoc to kill people close to the target in order to finish the hit successfully.
For the most part that's MDB's real laugh too!
It's weird seeing him in interviews and he laughs at something, it's like "OMG! Murdoc!!"
|Posted by: Hannibal_Smith 3 June 2015 - 06:52 AM|
| Mystery of mysteries - why there was no explicit reference to the big Israel-Palestinian conflict and its assorted implications.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict was the background for "Cease Fire" in Season 5. On one side (the one we didn't see much of), you had people dressed in the most basic, stereotypically Arab clothing ever (beards and head scarves). On the other, people dressed like Westerners and played by Jewish actors, or at least Yanif was. (Point of interest: he had basically the same role twenty years later on The West Wing, where he played an Israeli defense minister opposed to a peace agreement, and a lot of the episode turned around Bartlet trying to get the Prime Minister alone without Yanif there to apply pressure). We only saw one of the flags, which amusingly was a cross between those of the two sides - the design is Palestinian or Jordanian, but the color scheme is Israeli.
(Speaking of flags, I love that they threw in the flag of Geneva on the guard post. It's the sort of tiny detail that plenty of people wouldn't bother with - just stick with the Swiss flag - and that no one would notice if they didn't include, but they did it anyway. Good research department).
Why is there no EXPLICIT reference? Because the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is quite possible the single thing most guaranteed to start a furious political argument of the kind that makes gun control debates look mild. I'm impressed that the show referenced it at all.
|Posted by: Stevethebarian 25 September 2015 - 09:57 AM|
|Murdoc is to the Joker what Dr Zito is to Hannibal Lecter.|
|Posted by: Barry Rowland 25 September 2015 - 11:29 AM|
|Murdoc is to bad buys what Jack Dalton is to fictional tales....incorrigible!!|
|Posted by: Widowmaker 1 August 2016 - 12:22 AM|
I think that's one of the things that attracted me back to the show years ago. I had vague memories of Murdoc(especially from the Widowmaker and Cleo Rocks) and I remembered him being so creepy due to his horror villain-like ability to cheat death and being all scarred from his constant close-calls. The darker episodes with Murdoc and also Kill Zone are what really stuck with me.
|Posted by: MurdocFan 7 September 2016 - 12:36 PM|
but you have to remember... in "Cleo Rocks" he had a very elaborate set-up with the whole- Pete drowns or a MAc pancake- but after Mac got out of THAT Murdoc simply pulled gun on him... which doesn't seem so elaborate to me
|Posted by: denizen 7 September 2016 - 08:42 PM|
| Perhaps but its like the James Bond debate. Why go through all that to begin with if you wanted to kill someone? It's not like he's trying to make it look like an accident. He's an assassin for crying out loud! Just take a gun and shoot when he's not looking. Bam. Job done. They touched on this in Austin Powers when Scott Evil was asking his father for gun to kill his father's nemesis but he wouldnt have it. Instead, elaborate schemes were so much more rewarding for him.
|Posted by: macdoc 22 October 2016 - 11:38 AM|
|i loved murdoc as a villan he was a perfect foil for mac i loved there back and forth|
|Posted by: uniquelyjas 29 September 2017 - 07:00 PM|
|Just had a thought...Did Murdoc have a first name? Was it ever revealed? I haven't read all the posts on this thread so excuse me if this has already been answered.|
|Posted by: MacGyverGod 1 October 2017 - 04:12 AM|
|There was a theory here one time Murdoc's first name was probably Eddie. But I don't remember how or when they came up with it.|
|Posted by: Jediferret 1 October 2017 - 05:28 AM|
| I've always believed that "Murdoc" was his code name. It's obvious with the first part of his name Murd(er), not sure the last part. Doc(tor)? A shortened version of Murder Doctor? I'm probably looking into it too much, but that's just what I've always thought it meant. His real name is probably something he got rid of to protect him and his sister.
But that's just a theory. I have no idea. XD
|Posted by: Sanguine 6 October 2017 - 10:07 PM|
| One would think that Murdoc would be smart enough to use a code name instead of his real one, but then again, if you look at everyone else in HIT, not all of them use code names. Nicholas Helman and Sonia Chapel are probably real names...that, or very convincing aliases. Also, in theory Murdoc could be his real name, since he does have other false names, like Jacques and Sarah, that he throws around. In a way, I kind of think that Murdoc is confident enough in his ability to avoid capture that he could plausibly use his real name just to spite the people chasing him. Think about it: he's so good at escaping and vanishing without a trace that he's almost impossible to catch, so giving Pete and the DXS a clue---I.e., his real name---could be his way of taunting them a little more, making the game a bit more interesting.
But given that I'm posting this at 2 A.M., I don't even know if what I said makes any sense.
Sometimes, if a character has only one name, people will substitute the actor's name for the missing info. Which could lead to speculation that his first name would be Michael.
Eddie would be an adorable first name for him, though. :-D
...unless Murdoc *is* his first name, which is also theoretically possible.
This reminds me of the time that fans asked the actress who portrayed Lady Amanda what Mr. Spock's other name was. She smirked and told them that his first name was Harold. Of course, later DC Fontana made it (more or less) canon that Spock is his first name.
My two cents' on the subject is that I don't want to know if Murdoc has another name. Not knowing is part of the magic.
...y'know, unless it turns out to be something like Xtmprszntwfld. That would be something that I would want to know.
|Posted by: Sanguine 6 October 2017 - 10:11 PM|
Good point about him protecting Ashton. That would be a huge motive for using a code name. I didn't think of that.
Doctor?! Maybe he's a Time Lord! That would explain a lot.
.........He's the Dr. Johnny Fever of murder.
...which means that his name must be Sir Charles Weatherby. WKRP crossover, anyone?
|Posted by: Murdoc is back 4 December 2017 - 03:28 AM|
Great summary, Liz I couldn't have said it any better!!!
|Posted by: Murdoc is back 4 December 2017 - 03:39 AM|
That's a good comparison I mean when you see that smile/grin ...
I am sorry I don't have a clue who Dr Zito is Can not remember...
|Posted by: beth 6 December 2017 - 10:38 AM|
Dr. Zito appeared in two episodes. In "Deadly Dreams" he was a patient in an institution who helped another man escape to kill LAPD Lt. Kate Murphy. He also was in "Lessons in Evil" where he escaped during his trial and led Mac on a sort of scavenger hunt leaving him clues that he had to solve to pass Zito's "test".
|Posted by: Murdoc is back 6 December 2017 - 12:24 PM|
Thank you so much, Beth!!! I really have to check all the characters again one day ... ...
|Posted by: Dragondog 20 December 2017 - 05:47 PM|
Did you ever see that episode of ALF MDB was in? He actually played a guy named Eddie.
|Posted by: Sanguine 20 December 2017 - 07:46 PM|
I did not, but now I must see this for myself!!!
|Posted by: Dragondog 21 December 2017 - 03:38 PM|
In case you were wondering, the name of the episode was "Promises, Promises". It was in season three.
|Posted by: Sanguine 21 December 2017 - 04:41 PM|
Danke! I'll look it up!
|Posted by: Dragondog 23 December 2017 - 06:48 PM|
You'll have to tell me what you think of it after you see it.
|Posted by: Dragondog 9 January 2018 - 06:42 PM|
|So while reading random facts online today, I read something that says that men who post more selfies are more likely to become serial killers. Not sure if I believe it or not, but it DOES fit Murdoc pretty well, doesn't it?|
|Posted by: Sanguine 9 January 2018 - 07:22 PM|
In some ways, yes. Murdoc does take an awful lot of photographs. My best guess would be that people who take a high number of selfies sometimes score higher on psychological tests for traits like Narcissism and other psychological issues. Those same traits are also commonly (but not always) found in serial killers.
I wouldn't at all be surprised if Murdoc were diagnosed with narcissism or something, but he's definitely not a serial killer. Zito would be, I guess, but not Murdoc.
|Posted by: beth 10 January 2018 - 01:03 PM|
Murdoc didn't take selfies. He photographed his kills.
|Posted by: Sanguine 10 January 2018 - 01:44 PM|
True. He does seem a bit too practical to take photos of himself for no reason, doesn't he? He might see it as a waste of film.
Reboot Murdoc might snap one every now and then, just to be snarky.
|Posted by: Dragondog 10 January 2018 - 02:00 PM|
And to get with the times. It cracked me up in "Hole Puncher" when he told MacGyver, "You'll have to improvise. Isn't that supposed to be, you know, like... your THING?" Original Murdoc would probably never say it quite like that.
|Posted by: Sanguine 10 January 2018 - 07:35 PM|
Ha!!!! No, you're right. The original Murdoc would be much too refined to phrase it that way. I'd forgotten about that part. Reboot Murdoc cracks me up sometimes. Nothing compares to the original, but Dastmalchian is a very good actor.
I really like the way that both Murdocs are very sarcastic and witty. It just adds to their confident villain personas.
|Posted by: Dragondog 11 January 2018 - 01:05 PM|
I love Dastmalchian a lot, but he seriously creeps me out, more so than MDB's version ever did. Sometimes I wonder how Dastmalchian can keep his eyes in the sockets. They're HUGE! Boy, I hope he doesn't read these forum posts... I would regret posting this.
|Posted by: Sanguine 11 January 2018 - 02:03 PM|
Hey, ya never know.
I think part of the creep factor is that Reboot Murdoc is much more of a madman, in some ways, than the original Murdoc. The original Murdoc was a killer for hire, and sure, he enjoyed his job, but he didn't just kill people for the heck of it, and he usually tried to keep innocent people out of the crossfire. Reboot Murdoc has no such scruples. He seems much less emotional (or at least, much more controlled) and a little more sadistic than the original Murdoc. Not to mention that Reboot Murdoc is way more secretive and sneaky than the original.
One of my favorite ever Reboot Murdoc moments was when Baby Mac ran into the interrogation room and shouted, "You kill people for free?! And he just grinned and said, "Sometimes." The original Murdoc didn't have the luxury of killing people for free. He actually did need the money!
|Posted by: Dragondog 11 January 2018 - 03:44 PM|
I don't think rebooted Murdoc is 100% evil, though he's definitely worse than the original (in a good way). Rebooted Murdoc clearly cares about his son, even though he tried to hide it. I think some of his cruelty is something of an act. I think that was true of the original, too.
Also, sometimes I think about how hilarious it would be if some of the users on this site were undercover actors. I seriously doubt it, but it's fun to think about.
|Posted by: beth 12 January 2018 - 11:29 AM|
|MDB confirmed on his facebook page today that he will indeed be making an appearance in the MacGyver reboot! He will be playing a mentor to the new Murdoc. This is one episode that for me is a must-see!|
|Posted by: Dragondog 12 January 2018 - 06:53 PM|
Mentor, huh? Definitely a "Halloween Knights" reboot.
|Posted by: Sanguine 12 January 2018 - 08:19 PM|
Yyyyyeeesss!!!! I did a little happy dance when I saw that. MDB and Dastmalchian both posted pictures on their Instagram accounts, and MDB posted on his Twitter, too. Is it just me, or does Reboot Murdoc look a wee bit scared, or at least in respectful awe, of MDB in that photo?
I'm just so excited that I can hardly wait!
|Posted by: Sanguine 12 January 2018 - 08:28 PM|
Oh, he's definitely not totally evil. But he is very gleeful about his wickedness, which makes me smile.
Yeah, I agree that they both put up a lot of barriers. They put up a front and hide behind half-truths and lies. It's probably necessary for their survival.
But, you know, since you mentioned Murdoc's son: it bothers me every time that Matty & Baby Mac & the gang don't seem to understand why Murdoc wants his son so badly. They seem to think that it's unreasonable for him to want to be in control of Cassian's life and they act like he's some kind of danger to his own child. But Murdoc is very obviously a concerned father just like any other reasonable man would be, so why did they act surprised when he reacted with anger towards them using Cassian as a bargaining chip?
Personally, I think it'd be funny if the kid turns out to be just as crazy as his daddy. Joke's on you, Baby Mac!
I think about that sometimes, too. If I were a professional actor, or even a professional writer whose work got picked up as a TV show or a movie or something, I would definitely be stalking the fan forums, at least at first.
I know for a fact that some of the writers and actors out there are very tuned into their fandoms. The Psych writers and actors are especially good at that, because they *always* find ways to sneak Easter eggs about fan theories and fan terms into the show. So it's all but certain that they stalk the fansites. I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that the people who create other shows sometimes do the same thing.
|Posted by: Dragondog 13 January 2018 - 01:44 PM|
I'm SO glad you noticed that too! Murdoc DOES look a little afraid of MDB's character. I watched the 2 Gotham episodes David Dastmalchian guest starred in. He was a henchman of the Joker, and was terrified of his boss. I thought the picture of the two Murdocs reminded me of Gotham.
|Posted by: Dragondog 13 January 2018 - 01:47 PM|
After watching "X-ray + Penny", I've been wondering if rebooted Murdoc's greatest fear is losing his son's respect. When Mac said, "After Cassian finds out the truth about you, he won't want anything to do with you." Murdoc's response of, "You're wrong, sons need their fathers! You're living proof of that." had me wondering. Murdoc's expression looked almost panicked, like Mac just hit the nail on the head. And why else would he be so worried about his son knowing what he does for a living?
|Posted by: Sanguine 14 January 2018 - 07:45 PM|
That wouldn't surprise me at all. The original Murdoc seemed to feel the same way about Ashton, given what he said to MacGyver at the beginning of "Halloween Knights." He said that "she certainly doesn't know what I do for a living." So he obviously wanted to keep the truth from her as well. Now, that may have been for her protection instead of any regard for her opinion of him, but something tells me that as much as Murdoc loves his sister, he'd also never want to do anything that would harm her view of him. Nobody wants to be rejected by their own family.
|Posted by: beth 15 January 2018 - 05:41 AM|
|New info straight from MDB himself on his facebook page!! He will appear in the MacGyver reboot episode that is airing on 2/2. This character must be really something because his post reads "bad to worse" with pictures of him as classic Murdoc and the current character.|
|Posted by: Dragondog 15 January 2018 - 03:06 PM|
I always thought that that just goes to show how much Murdoc really loved Ashton. He always tried to pretend that he had no love for anyone, no true weaknesses. He was so worried about his sister that he was willing to ask MacGyver's help, even though that meant letting his emotion show a bit. He wanted MacGyver to see that he really cared about her and wasn't kidding around.
As for rebooted Murdoc, I think Cassian will eventually find out the truth about his dad. The whole, "We'll tell him the truth if you don't cooperate" bit followed by Murdoc's reluctant, "Fine, let's get this over with" attitude just sets it up for a big reveal to the kid. I know he's in the upcoming episode with MDB, so maybe we'll see a little interaction between Murdoc and his son then, even if he doesn't find out the truth yet.
I'm thinking Murdoc's story about the death of Cassian's mother wasn't entirely true, assuming it was true at all. In my opinion, Murdoc looked a little sad talking about it, so if she really is dead, I don't think he found it as "poetic" as he claimed. Most likely, he didn't kill her, though someone else could have. In fact, he DID say to Mac, "We fell in love" when he told the story. It was actually Mac who said, "You're not capable of love" before Murdoc said, "Fine, SHE fell in love, I just found her less repulsive than other humans." If you ask me, he said that THEY fell in love a little too casually for a guy who tries to look as though he doesn't care about anyone. Most likely, he really did care about her, and maybe got swept up in his description of her to try to hide his feelings?
|Posted by: Dragondog 15 January 2018 - 03:09 PM|
Definitely looking forward to seeing what he means by that!
One thing I noticed, hanging out on twitter, was Michael's response to some of the excited fans. It sounds like he didn't expect anyone to get so excited over his appearance on the reboot. I'm wondering if he just doesn't know that there are a lot of people who DO like the reboot, or if all the haters are denting the confidence of some of the actors. I'm hoping that if it's one of these, it's the former.
|Posted by: Dragondog 18 January 2018 - 06:51 PM|
|I just noticed something interesting. MDB was promoting the reboot episode he's in, while sharing pictures from "Strictly Business". Someone commented that he holds the rocket launcher so indifferently, and MDB replied, "Well, villains hate themselves, so it doesn't matter." He's got pretty good insight into the mind of the villain he played, doesn't he?|
|Posted by: Dragondog 22 January 2018 - 07:02 PM|
| Funny thing about being part of a fandom is that it's made me realize how much of a hypocrite I am sometimes.
ME: *watching girls on twitter swoon over David Dastmalchian* Okay, I know he's cute, but calm down a little.
ALSO ME: *sees cute picture of David Dastmalchian or old picture of MDB* Bow bow chicka BOW!
Maybe I should get some help.....
|Posted by: Dragondog 28 January 2018 - 06:43 PM|
|So skimming on pinterest I started seeing tips for writing. Found this. Now I want to write a series of fanfiction stories in which Murdoc turns good just to use these. I love 'em!|
|Posted by: Dragondog 1 February 2018 - 03:58 PM|
|I like this too.|
|Posted by: Dragondog 4 February 2018 - 07:00 PM|
|I read this thing where someone said that the problem with falling for a fictional guy yet shipping him with a girl is that half of them is like "marry me" but the other half is like "No, marry her!" Basically me with Murdoc and Penny.|
|Posted by: Sanguine 6 February 2018 - 01:34 PM|
That is one of the main struggles of my life. I utterly love Murdoc and I am desperately in love with him, but Murdoc and Penny are my OTP---and this is coming from someone who was previously known for *not* having an OTP and shipping the most random people, so Murdoc and Penny are a big deal to me. I know that a lot of people dislike Penny and don't like the dynamic between her and Murdoc, but honestly, they're so different that I think they complement each other well. Murdoc grounds Penny and can provide her with the "looking after" that she needs, but Penny is sweet and kind enough to give Murdoc some of his innocence back.
...in other news, is it odd that I kinda want Baby Murdoc (Dennis) to hook up with Matty Webber?
|Posted by: Dragondog 6 February 2018 - 02:55 PM|
Not weird, just new. I think that thought popped in my head a couple of times myself.
As I've been posting about in another thread, I've got mii characters made in video games based on Mac and the gang. Penny is currently dating Fonzie (from Happy Days) but now I want them to break up so I can put her with Murdoc. Oh, the virtual world.
|Posted by: Sanguine 7 February 2018 - 02:59 AM|
| Something new to add to Murdoc's résumé?
|Posted by: Dragondog 7 February 2018 - 12:59 PM|
MDB is so hilarious!
|Posted by: MacGyver85 7 February 2018 - 09:01 PM|
|Posted by: Dragondog 10 February 2018 - 08:49 AM|
|Did anyone else see that MDB was live tweeting last Friday for the airing of "Murdoc + Handcuffs"? I saw that someone thanked him for being so in touch with his fans and he replied, "Friends! Not fans!" Just a little reminder of why we love him.|
|Posted by: Dragondog 28 February 2018 - 06:59 PM|
|Sorry, I couldn't resist!|
|Posted by: Dragondog 1 March 2018 - 03:32 PM|
|Okay, I found a different site for making memes, and it has way more options. I like this meme better.|
|Posted by: Dragondog 5 March 2018 - 11:08 AM|
And then Murdoc blows up, and Pete whips out a detonator and says, "I got you!"
|Posted by: Sanguine 11 March 2018 - 06:51 PM|
And that's right about when Zito shows up.
|Posted by: Dragondog 12 March 2018 - 09:35 AM|
|Posted by: beth 27 April 2018 - 06:42 AM|
|MDB hinted on facebook that he may be returning to the MacGyver reboot.|
|Posted by: Dragondog 27 April 2018 - 06:55 AM|
He's been teasing it since the episode aired. I hope he does, though. That would be cool!
|Posted by: Krug 5 August 2019 - 08:00 PM|
|I found this little guy at the Wisconsin State Fair. Was disappointed to not see a MacGyver, Pete, Penny or Nikki alongside him...|
|Posted by: uniquelyjas 6 August 2019 - 05:05 AM|
Awww....much more sweet and cuddly than the original!! I agree, he should have brothers and sisters named for the other characters!! I forget that you're from Milwaukee like me but am glad to see someone else likes the animal barns at the fair!!!
|Posted by: Krug 7 August 2019 - 07:15 PM|
A lot of times in my adult years, I wouldn't get there 'til after most of them are closed for the day.
Made sure to hit them up first this time around!
|Posted by: uniquelyjas 8 August 2019 - 04:54 AM|
The last time I went to the Fair it was in its final days and almost all of the animals had already been moved out:(
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 8 August 2019 - 11:46 AM|
aww, what a cutie. and he sure won't try to kill us like the "real" Murdoc
|Posted by: Dragondog 8 August 2019 - 07:59 PM|
Surely not, not with that innocent face
|Posted by: MacGyver85 9 August 2019 - 08:23 PM|
|Posted by: Cuckoo 7 October 2019 - 05:54 PM|
I feel the need to reference Monty Python here...
|Posted by: Hannibal_Smith 26 March 2021 - 04:49 AM|
| Anybody here ever watch "The Finder?"
I got to the penultimate episode last night, and Michael Des Barres cameos in a role that I swear was an homage to his "MacGyver" days. Not only is he a professional hitman, but he's a professional hitman who's defeated, but not killed or captured, by the end of the episode, and he even shows up in the last scene to give one of the heroes a hat tip before disappearing. (We'll never know if he'd actually have returned, since the show only ran one season. All we know is he's still at large).
I'm glad the guy is still getting work. Also, new headcanon: that totally was Murdoc. He stayed off the feds and Phoenix Foundation's radars long enough to settle down in Miami under a new identity, though still one that lets him do what he does best (but under a new name and with a specific quirk that Murdoc never had, which is enough to keep anyone from making the association).
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 26 March 2021 - 05:30 AM|
I think I've only seen the crossover episode with "Bones". Sadly, it wasn't a show that aired on German TV very often. So far, I wasn't able to catch reruns but I wouldn't mind watching the episode with MDB.
I've seen MDBs episode on "Bones" though. That was a fun one.
|Posted by: Sanguine 30 August 2021 - 02:28 PM|
I haven't seen it, but headcanon accepted!