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Every week I will be posting a new topic titled "Episode Discussion". In this we will discuss an episode, what we liked about it, what we didn't like, etc.


Episode 59 – The Negotiator

When the builder of a new marina suspects MacGyver’s environmental-impact study will stop the project from going ahead. He hires a beautiful woman to either, buy him off, scare him off… or kill him off.



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QUOTE (rockatteer Oct 16 2005 @ 02:08 PM )
This is one of my top 2 favourite episodes of all seasons.

Strangely enough though I actually don’t like the ending. To me it seems like a let down… they do such a good job of building the story, showing Deborah working her way into Macs life…. him falling in love…etc etc….

The whole warehouse scene is just such a let down.

But the rest of the show is great… and of corse the Eau d’Leo “video” is excellent.

You can view the Eau d’Leo video clip exclusive to MacGyver Online in our http://www.macgyveronline.com/pages/fv3.html.

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QUOTE (sonyab Oct 16 2005 @ 02:16 PM )
I voted excellent!!! Debrah really used everything that MacGyver loved and manipulated him! She was good!!! very evil!!! She tried to kill my Mac!!!!! How dare she!!!!! 


QUOTE (MacGyverGod Oct 16 2005 @ 09:38 PM )
Excellentemundo!!!!!! This is probably the best episode of the third season. I liked Deborah. For me that was a top episode.


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The whole warehouse scene is just such a let down.




What's wrong with it? There were a few great lines.
'I'm a negotiator, MacGyver!!!'
'Come on, honey! Don't make it so hard on yourself.'
'How about it, MacGyver? Am I sight for sore eyes or what?'

That last scene back in court now that was remembers worthy.
'I'm a negotiator, Mr. Knapp. Testifying against you was just the best deal I could make.'
Then they share that last look as we end with a shot on Mac's face. It's beautiful.

For the record: this episode marks doggie death II and marks the return of two first season actors. You noticed Trumbo in there? And the guy from Ugly Duckling?


QUOTE (Kim_K Oct 17 2005 @ 02:13 AM )
The Negotiator is the next best episode in Season 3. My favorite is Widowmaker.
Gotta love Deaborah. rolleyes.gif 


QUOTE (MacGirl Oct 17 2005 @ 12:53 PM )
MacGod, you're right. I had to actually check the credits of this one against Ugly Duckling and Trumbo's World to make sure I wasn't imagining it! tongue.gif

This was definitely one of the best eps of S3, if not THE best. Kristian Alfonso as Deborah really gave me chills... she was about as close to a psychopath as I've ever seen portrayed in a movie or TV show... she was able to convince Mac she was just a regular gal who loved him like crazy, even as she was the one doing all these nasty things to him and to Nikki. She was my all-time favorite female villain... almost like a female version of Murdoc (OK, she wasn't as whacked as Murdoc, but you know what I mean.)

This was one of the few eps in which I got a little annoyed at Mac for being so slow... that is, figuring out who Deborah was and what she was up to. But I guess it goes to show that anyone can be blinded by love.

Of course, LOVED Eau d'Leo, and it's "video." Really wish RDA would record a CD sometime... if he's written that, I'm sure he has more lovely music up his sleeve.


QUOTE (rockatteer Oct 18 2005 @ 09:13 AM )
RDA did write the Eau d'Leo tune. Its been mentioned in articles written about the show. He also has composer credits on the http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000760/#composer


QUOTE (MacNymph Oct 18 2005 @ 09:23 AM )
The Negotiator is one of the episodes that makes me lean toward making season 3 my favorite. smile.gif

(darn that Thin Ice ranting2.gif )


QUOTE (MacNymph Oct 18 2005 @ 09:26 AM )

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Hello Richard! Greetings from Bavaria! My question is about the music you compose. I've loved "Eau d'Leo" from the first moment I heard it in the MacGyver episode, "The Negotiator". It is really good! Is there any chance we'll hear more of the music you have composed?

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LOL! The only thing I have ever recorded other than that was back in the early 80's and that was with a friend, and he thought I could sing. I can't! LOL Any music I compose is for myself or my daughter. But thank you for asking.

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QUOTE (MacGyver Oct 18 2005 @ 10:57 AM )
Well, we finally got around to this episode! biggrin.gif "The Negotiator" is definitely a great episode- mainly because it gives MacGyver another recurring villian to deal with. (Murdoc is obviously the most well-known one, but Dr. Zito and Deborah would be 2 other main ones. Can't think of too many others really, except for Nikolai from "Thief of Budapest" and "Lost Love" (Parts 1 and 2) and The Von Leer brothers, seen in "Legend of the Holy Rose" (Parts 1 and 2) and "Eye of Osiris".)

I think it was really interesting seeing MacGyver fall in love with this woman and how long it did take him to figure things out. But he did, in the end. And I like the "Eau de Leo" song too. And you have to give MacGyver credit for coming through when he was half-blind to find the jumper cables to use to give Deborah a shock. I liked this MacGyverism at the end.
This was definitely a really good episode and also the last episode for Nikki Carpenter. I also like one of MacGyver's lines from the start of the episode.

"I won't back down".- very MacGyveresque! smile.gif sak.gif duct.gif 


QUOTE (MacGyverGod Oct 19 2005 @ 03:25 AM )
You guys think he had real feelings for Deborah? I think he did. 


QUOTE (MacGirl Oct 19 2005 @ 08:47 AM )
I think so, too. She came off as intelligent (which she was!), and sweet (which was an act). If she hadn't been a hired killer, and really HAD been who she was portraying herself to be, who knows, it might have worked out. Mac is obviously attracted to women who are smart as well as pretty. He has good taste, but the poor guy got blinded by his feelings in a big way on this one.

Also, if he hadn't been genuinely attracted to Deborah, he might have been more suspicious of her after she killed Nikki's dog. 


QUOTE (MacGyver Oct 19 2005 @ 11:05 AM )
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If she hadn't been a hired killer, and really HAD been who she was portraying herself to be, who knows, it might have worked out




Yeah, just like that Penny Parker and "Jacques LaRue" thing might have worked out too! biggrin.gif

And I still cringe every time at the dog death scene! ohmy.gif (That's so sad!) sak.gif duct.gif


QUOTE (MacNymph Oct 19 2005 @ 12:24 PM)
Unfortunately... killing a cat doesn't seem to be as dramatic. mad.gif 


QUOTE (rockatteer Oct 20 2005 @ 08:02 AM )
If it was as dramatic, you'd still be cringing at the scene.

Maybe it could have been Nikki's pet rock or something...deborah could through the rock out the window and we could have dramatic scenes of the rock exploding as it impacts on the sidewalk.....

... Or maybe it could hit a stray cat on the head... tongue.gif 


QUOTE (sonyab Oct 20 2005 @ 08:03 AM )
No I disagree.. I think a cat would be very dramatic too.


QUOTE (MacGyverGod Oct 20 2005 @ 08:29 AM )
Oh, please. There's a difference in it. A dog is easier to get close to then to a cat. Why do you think there is a term called the "family dog" instead of "family cat"? What if Deborah killed a goldfish would you still cringe? 


QUOTE (rockatteer Oct 20 2005 @ 09:13 AM )
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Why do you think there is a term called the "family dog" instead of "family cat"?




Actually there is a term "Family cat".



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A dog is easier to get close to then to a cat




You ever tried getting close to a barking growling German Shepard dog, or a labrador or any other sizable dog?

I've seen a lot of cats that are very friendly and come right up to you.

Most dogs I've meet are only friendly if their owner is with them. You try approaching them on their own property with no owner around and they go defensive.. which I guess is one of the main reasons people have dogs... good protection. smile.gif


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What if Deborah killed a goldfish would you still cringe?




Depends.....

If she threw it in her mouth and chewed it up.... yeah I might cringe! laugh.gif


QUOTE (Amy Oct 20 2005 @ 11:02 PM )
roller.gif Thanks for a chuckle so early in the morning!

I have cats that go both ways--one you wouldn't even see if you came in the house, though he's very affectionate when you're no longer an interloper. The other is a stray that showed up outside recently--he'll practically jump into your arms no matter who you are! I'm partial to cats, so I didn't even blink when she killed the dog. If it had been a cat I probably would have been horrified! Sorry to you dog-lovers--but I just don't like dogs much. of course any cruelty to animals is inexcusable...

So Rock, don't eat any goldfish, or throw rocks at cats, K? laugh.gif harhar.gif 


QUOTE (sonyab Oct 21 2005 @ 12:28 AM )
Uhhh yeah okay.. Obviously you are not a cat person I am.. It would upset me if she killed a cat. 


QUOTE (MacGyverGod Oct 21 2005 @ 02:59 AM )
Oh yes I am. I'm a cat/dog lover. It's just the first cat I tangled with died when he was only like 12 weeks old and I had a lot of friendship of it, the second cat is more independent. Eating, sleeping that's all it does it never jumps up on your lap.


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You ever tried getting close to a barking growling German Shepard dog, or a labrador or any other sizable dog?




Throw a bone. Just keep pit bulls (sorry Frog) and rottweilers away from me.



QUOTE (MacNymph Oct 21 2005 @ 11:50 AM )
I think Frog was an English Bull dog (a nice doggie bred) ... not the same as Pit Bull.

sad.gif Pit Bulls and Rotweillers are evil ranting2.gif 


QUOTE (Amy Oct 21 2005 @ 11:47 PM )
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Pit Bulls and Rotweillers are evil 



Well, I don't think you can blame the evil on the dog. I think it's how they're reared that determines their evilness...LOL. Anyway, in general I'm leary of them anyway--Doberman's, too--I was bit by one when I was young. But I know 2 Rots that are the dopiest friendliest dogs I've ever seen. The one is just a big docile horse. The other is just DUMB! She barks at rocks and rolls them around her yard, chasing them. Softball sized rocks. DUMB! drool.gif


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Your mission, if you should choose to accept it, find an example of where a cat is killed in movie or television for dramatic impact. 




K so I can't think of any instances where a cat is killed for dramatic effect....Wait...I might have one, but I can't quite grab onto it... Gotta think some more. hmm.bmp (Dontcha hate that--you know it's there and it's like it's running around inside your brain saying, "Neener neener, you can't catch me!")

Anyway, yeah, I think the general view of cats is that they are independent and snooty and that dogs are more likely to come to you. Plus I think that there are more dog lovers out there than cat lovers. Most of my friends would happily feed most cats to their dog. Thus the higher incidence of doggie deaths on TV. (That's the official scientific observation.) laugh.gif


QUOTE (Amy Oct 22 2005 @ 12:04 AM )
K--all this talk about cats and dogs and I just realized I haven't said one word about the episode! Somebody smack me to keep me on track! laugh.gif

Anyway, I really like this episode, but there were a couple of disappointing parts--I don't know that they're nitpicks, just things that I think could have been done better. I generally agree with Rock that the ending was a little bit of a letdown, although it was appropriate with Deborah pointing out that she made the best deal possible in the situation--that was a good one! And Mac's last glance at her at the very end--I think that was good, but it seemed more or less like the camera just didn't cut soon enough, you know? I think that glance could have said volumes more.

Also when they're driving and it's pouring down rain--she pulls into the warehouse. I don't care how blinded he was ( laugh.gif ) by love, Mac is a smart guy. He should have immediately picked up on the fact that suddenly the rain was muffled and wasn't hitting the roof of the jeep. He doesn't seem to get it that something's amiss until after he steps out of the jeep--and then it's like the sounds of his footsteps trigger him that they're not where they should be. huh.gif Mac's quicker than that. I know earlier he jokingly asks her if the phone's in the middle of a field because they're bouncing around and stuff, but he just accepts her lame explanation that it's around back.

OK--I love a lot of other things about this ep, most of which have been said. When Mac's boat blows up--that's a gut clencher--and any ep that contains one of those is excellent in my book! 


QUOTE (MacGirl Nov 11 2005 @ 06:08 AM )
Oh, thought of one more thing I wanted to mention, and it has to do with Nikki. I found it very interesting that in this one Mac was the one who got blinded by love... the opposite of what happened in Early Retirement, where it was Nikki who got blinded. Also, it was interesting in that Nikki was the one who figured out what Deborah was up to... again, the opposite of Early Retirement, where Mac figures out what Nikki's squeeze was really doing.

I've noticed that this "mirror effect" happened in quite a few eps... another example I think of immediately is The Widowmaker and Blow Out (in both, first Nikki and then Mac confronts the other with something they don't want to deal with). Maybe they did it in order to make Nikki a more sympathetic character (?) Other examples of the mirror effect are, obviously, all the eps where Pete winds up getting Mac out of trouble, instead of vice versa. 


QUOTE (Lee Nole-Isil Nov 11 2005 @ 01:29 PM )
You all have very good points! I really liked this ep. I'm kinda predjudiced against only Jack russel Terriers, because one took a good chunk out of my leg once. That was a nasty dog, so I kinda see where you are coming from. I liked Mac taking art classes the most, I think. 460.gif 


QUOTE (MacGirl Nov 11 2005 @ 05:24 PM )
Yeah, it was fun to see another side of Mac like that. One of my fave scenes of this ep. 


QUOTE (Lee Nole-Isil Nov 13 2005 @ 03:07 PM )
I think they should have done more eps with him in art class.... they could have had a lot of fun with that... biggrin.gif 


QUOTE (Sjaop Jan 11 2006 @ 11:03 PM )
Brilliant episode. Just hate Debrah (is it Debrah or Deborah??) soooo much!!
Everytime I'm watching that epidsode makes me feel like scratching her eyes out. Really hate that nasty woman.
I really hated her in DOOL after that. (if it's not her she looks like fancy face in DOOL) I'm cool with her now... but it took quite a while.


QUOTE (MACGYVERISMYDAD Jan 12 2006 @ 02:57 AM)
yes my girlfriend notice she was in fact from days of our lives. i think mac trusted her enough thats why he didnt mention anything about where he was when he got inside the warehouse. i think he notcied that something wasn't right he just waited till later to ask her because he had her trust. i also feel that the look where he just kinda glances over at her was a great ending. they did keep the camera there to long though, maybe to make you think he is going to say or do something but then you realize he has nothing to say to her. he trusted her and started to fall in love with her. a big jump for mac. although if i would pick any of the women that mac could be with i would pick HEIDI (gx-1) wub.gif or his neighbor on the boat next to his boat house in this ep. also did anyone notcie how when he gets back and mentions something about how plans change and he looks at his neighbor on her boat and she wearing short shorts and he looks down in disappointment. great scene 


QUOTE (MacsChick Jan 13 2006 @ 05:28 PM )
Ah, MacGyver in love! wub.gif Too bad it was with Deborah nasty.gif

I'm more of a cat person, myself, but I like dogs, too, and I have to tell you...it's sad when ANY animal dies, I don't care what it is. If it's cute and furry, you're going down! boxing.gif

I've been considering your earlier posts about how Mac trusted Deborah too easily and didn't seem to get that something sinister was happening. His character strikes me as one that falls in love easily. Sure, he's strong and he's intelligent, but even intelligent people can fall into a trap. Despite his stoic exterior, Mac conveys some vulnerability, as well as some neediness. That makes sense, given his guilt over his parents' deaths and his feeling like he's all alone at times.

Whoa, too much psychology! blink.gif

Anyway, awesome episode! One I watch quite frequently! biggrin.gif


QUOTE (rockatteer Jan 13 2006 @ 08:53 PM )
Interesting stats for this episode.... 13 of the 15 votes are for excellent.

The other 2 are 1 for good and 1 for OK.

that must be oneof the highest votes we've had.


QUOTE (Sjaop Feb 18 2006 @ 04:27 AM )
I was watching this one yesterday (I have to spend my time usefully during my illness, right?)

And again this lady annoys me. She's pretty, got to give her that, and I know she's only acting, but I could break all her limbs quite easily.
Nasty woman, she is! 


QUOTE (MACGYVERISMYDAD Feb 18 2006 @ 09:41 AM )
yes i agree i have a love/hate feeling for her probably kinda like mac does roller.gif 





 
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i hate to be a nuisance, but i am a dedicated guitar player as well as a MacGyver fan!!! i saw and heard the song Eau d'Leo and i immediately fell in love with it. i have searched everywhere for tabs but i can't find them. so please if there is anyone else who has the tabs or knows where to get them. reply here or contact me at funtimesmo--at--yahoo.com - tyvm in advance



 
                                                                     
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They don't exist. It was a private tune written by RDA. Its never been released in any form.

The only way you'll get tabs is for someone to either write them out or run the tune through music software which shows the notes as it plays it... they usually have a print option so you can print out the music.




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At some point in the episode we see Deborah buying a second hand yellow car. But what for...? The car is shown only in that scene and was of no further use to her or the plot.



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Maybe because it would fit better for her "profile" instead of a fancier car? hmm.bmp



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Yeah, she had to ditch the fur coats and limousines, get woodsy and environmentally friendly. A bit more down to earth and appealing to MacGyver.



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exactly. The idea was to show that she was changing her image to suit the needs. It impressed upon the viewer that she wasn't for real. Everything with MacGyver was an act.




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My question is though, he's dating her but they are always at the houseboat, never her place? How did she explain that? What did she tell him she did for a living? I wish they had said more about her cover story to him. Just a thought. But I wondered why Mac didn't suspect her at all, when he knew that he was possibly being followed or threatened. And only two weeks into the relationship, she has keys that he has given her to the houseboat. Some are irked by Mac having a son with Kate, but his relationship with Deborah, and how fast it is, creeps me out even more.



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Me too. There's such a thing as falling for someone so hard you put your brain on autopilot for awhile, but that usually wears off in a few days to a week or so. I am struck by how incurious Mac was about Deborah. Kind of out of character for him, really, now that I think about it.



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And I am not saying that I completely agree with Mac's lifestyle when it comes to women, but of course many of the women he really loved like Kate and Debra left him, not the other way around.
Deborah just ohmy.gif and surprise.gif floored me. I don't see how he couldn't see that he needed to ask more questions. I do think that he learned from the experience, because he questioned Maria extensively.



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I think it's more a case of not showing the viewer all the information.

She seemed to have a pretty good cover story at the art class about being a member of the Darwin Society and knowing Deloris Forchuck and her acid rain article, so it stands to reason that she would have continued her cover story to cover anything MacGyver had asked.

She was after all a professional, so one would expect her to be able to pull of such a deception without being caught.




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Kind of like not showing the shark in Jaws until the last half hour? Keep the audience speculating? I am all for suspense so it I get what you're saying Rock.
And Deborah probably came up with an elaborate cover, like the guy in Deep Cover, Mitch, who seduced Gwen. He obviously had a plan. And Deborah was a professional who made $250,000 before even laying eyes on Mac. And she had (she thought) another $250,000 coming when the job was done. She could afford to rent another place. I can't see her taking Mac to the penthouse/fancy apartment with her fancy stuff. hmm.bmp



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I agree that we didn't see everything. It is, after all, only an hour-long show with commercials, so I'm sure sacrifices had to be made. However, I also agree that Mac seemed to take the bait a little quickly. Maybe she was just REALLY good at figuring out what he liked and didn't like and was able to mold herself into the 'perfect' person for Mac.



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I think also the Eau d'Leo montage was suppose to cover the weeks of "falling in love" but failed to convey the time frame.

I don't think it happened as quickly as the episode makes it appear.




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That makes SO much more sense. I salute your massive brain power, Rocketeer!



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Maybe. But Rock remember the three week time frame. Mac had three weeks to gather evidence on the case to prove his case to the EPA. So, from the time of the hearing at the beginning, before he met her, before she was even hired, to the end where she is arrested and testifies against Knapp is 3 weeks! Not a long time.



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Very good point. hmm.bmp




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Two questions for supposition:

1. Knapp we believe gets arrested at the end after Deborah testifies against him. Anybody want to guess what happened to him? Fanfiction idea.

2. Another one--the testimony that Deborah gave: she would have to plead guilty essentially and testify against Knapp-- I would like to suppose about the amount of detail she would give about how she researched and studied Mac in depth and methodically and carefully concluded that it served her purpose to kill Mac. Of course she had been paid $250,000 already and was expecting another $250,000 from Knapp upon completion. She wrote down 1. Buy him off 2. Scare him off
3. Love him off 4. Kill him off. Question--she knew that scaring him and buying him wasn't going to work, how did she expect to love him with him discovering her rather important secret, no her only real option was to kill him if she wanted to succeed and get paid (and avoid prison). Fanfiction idea: the testimony that Deborah gave and Mac's experience. What do you think?

I just watched it--I still get ticked at Deborah for hurting him---and now, I would be angry at her doing that to anyone---it's just wrong---but she's a baddy and an interesting one at that. I like Kristian Alfonso as an actress too--growing up I was a Days fan--I admit it--but I gave that up as I grew as a person. But I have seen her in other things. I thinks she played Deborah to try to escape the role of Hope on DOOL--Good Luck!

Also, anyone done anything with the aftermath that Mac went through following Deborah or even Lisa Kohler. Mac really gets hurt badly by women in the 3rd season! Yikes!



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Another question and maybe I have asked it before, why didn't she take off the lynx coat before killing the dog? Wouldn't she have wanted for the crime to be untraceable?

And wouldn't killing him with a gun have made more sense?

Deborah's back story would have made a good fanfiction--how did she get like that? Same question that I asked when I first saw the movie Psycho, if you have never seen it, watch it, you'll be scared too, great film and John Anderson (Harry Jackson) is in the first half.



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The whole ending of this episode was pathetic.

The episode started off in great form and built along pretty nicely, then suddenly the writers have a brain fart and drive them out into a broken down old garage in the middle of nowhere and suddenly this cunning negotiator resorts to a flick knife to try and kill MacGyver.

I don't think so Tim. dry.gif

I spose the mink coat could have been an attempt to dress like a big hairy animal to scare the dog away? It's no worse an idea than a knife in an old garage to kill MacGyver.



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QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 23 July 2008 - 08:38 AM)
I don't think so Tim. dry.gif

I spose the mink coat could have been an attempt to dress like a big hairy animal to scare the dog away? It's no worse an idea than a knife in an old garage to kill MacGyver.

One, I get the Home Improvement reference. Great show!! Good reference.

Two, about the coat, very funny!! roller.gif

But I get the idea that Negotiator is not your favorite episode. Go figure.



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QUOTE (Liz1976 @ 23 July 2008 - 08:55 AM)
But I get the idea that Negotiator is not your favorite episode. Go figure.

Actually it is one of my favorite episodes. I just don't' like the way the ended it.




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QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 23 July 2008 - 08:58 AM)

Actually it is one of my favorite episodes. I just don't' like the way the ended it.

Well, how would you have ended it?



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QUOTE (Liz1976 @ 23 July 2008 - 08:04 AM)
You still haven't answered my question about the coat. It  doesn't make any sense and the knife was another point that someone brought up. Why would she use a knife on Mac in the warehouse?

Pete had never seen her in the minx coat. So there was no way that it could be traced to her. Also didn't she mess up Nikki's apartment to make it look like a break in or something?

If you think about how Pete made the connection. It was a bit of a stretch. Pete had no reason to suspect Deborah. As far as he was concerned she was just a nice innocent girl that Mac was dating.. then suddenly out of nowhere he sees lynx hair and "Oh it must be Deborah."

WHAT!!??

There was absolutely no thought process behind his sudden revolution.

Had he ever seen her in a lynx coat?
no.

Did he have any reason not to like her at all?
Not they we know of.. so no.

Did have any reason to think that Deborah was anything other than the wholesome down to earth women she was portraying herself to be?
Again, not that we know of.. so no.

Is Pete psychic?
Must be. It's the only logical explanation captain.






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Remember Pete said about the pathology report :traces of lynx hair in the dog's mouth?
Nikki then said, "A woman?"
Then Pete"Of course two years ago they used a woman to take out Joey Tartana."
Nikki said, "That was clever of them. A woman would have a better chance of getting close to MacGyver."
Pete said to her "Are you thinking what I'm thinking?"
Nikki said, "Deborah!"



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yeah... and?

Why would he suspect wholesome innocent down to earth Deborah?

To us it makes sense, because we know what she is really up to.. but the characters in the story don't. all they know is a nice lady that Macs dating. And then suddenly "oh it must be her, shes a women. It doesn't matter that shes a nice and kind and friendly and MacGyver thinks the world of her. She must be a killer!"

with friends like that who needs enemies.

Nope.. from that scene onwards, the episode takes the slippery slide beyond the S bend. Which is a pity because they did pretty well up until then.




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QUOTE (Liz1976 @ 23 July 2008 - 09:02 AM)

Well, how would you have ended it?

And?



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not relaly sure.

Maybe something more in tune with how Debra operates. Maybe even she just pulls a gun on him at the houseboat, the phone rings causing a distraction, MacGyver tacks advantage of it to knock the gun from her hand and stumbles out onto the pair, Debra grabs her gun and pursues him.

The scene could follow the same idea as the garage scene, with MacGyver stumbling around the marina hiding, finding some way to send Debra in the wrong direction while MacGyver rigs up the spear gun he finds standing in a corner against one of the shacks, so it fires somethign a little heavier to either knock Debra out or knock her into the water.

Maybe they could even use the same MacGyverism with a battery and jumper cables from a neighboring boat, and either use sea water to make a puddle or maybe the pair is wet enough from the rain or something.

*shrugs*

Would be fun to see MacGyver stumbling around the pair(his own back yard) in the dark finding things to use to distract and catch Debra.





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QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 23 July 2008 - 12:29 PM)
not relaly sure.

Maybe something more in tune with how Debra operates. Maybe even she just pulls a gun on him at the houseboat, the phone rings causing a distraction, MacGyver tacks advantage of it to knock the gun from her hand and stumbles out onto the pair, Debra grabs her gun and pursues him.

The scene could follow the same idea as the garage scene, with MacGyver stumbling around the marina hiding, finding some way to send Debra in the wrong direction while he rigs up a fishing net sneer to scoop her up as she approaches him.

Or maybe he could just launch at her and they both end up in the water.

*shrugs*

Would be good to see MacGyver stumbling around the pair in the dark finding things to use to distract and catch Debra.

Maybe they could even use the same MacGyverism with a battery and jumper cables from a neighboring boat, and either use sea water to make a puddle or maybe the pair is wet enough from the rain or something.

She just pulls a gun on him? What they are having dinner there at the the houseboat, and the subject of the impact study come up and she has enough and puls the gun on him. Is MacGyver still blind? One of the things that was spooky about the knife is that Mac was blind essentially.

In the episode, She drives to the warehouse because she can't get to the cliff and the lodge where she had planned to stage the "accident". Wouldn't killing him at the houseboat be a clue implicating her, as would being shot?

An accident like falling from a cliff or driving off a cliff makes more sense if you want no clues.

The marina idea is cool, just trying to figure out what her reasons would be. The boat bomb too was a little too easy too, with her right there. What about that bomb?
Remember what Mac said in Countdown about bombs having a signature like a fingerprint is personal, comparing bombs to art? Also why didn't Pete run a background check on her? In my story when Mac falls in love Pete does do a background on my heroine and evryone she is close to. I thought he would have learned his lesson with Deborah.



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