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Posted on 23 July 2008 - 01:36 PM                                    
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I was only throwing ideas together off the top of my head to answer your previous question. I'm no writer so if you want details you'll have to fill them in yourself.

I don't think MacGyver has to get his girlfriends cleared through Pete.




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Posted on 23 July 2008 - 02:39 PM                                    
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Ok, that's cool. I think you are probably a better writer than you give yourself credit for. I was only curious about what direction you would take the episode. I wasn't trying to ruffle your feathers.

As for Mac's girlfriends, if his new girlfriend is in trouble, or someone close to her is in trouble, then it's warrented.



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I feel sorry for Mac! sad.gif It seems that every woman he loved either broke his heart or wanted to kill him!



 
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I know--and he is so unworthy of that kind of treatment.



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Poor poor Mac. Poor poor dog. Poor poor lynx that died to become a fur coat.



 
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Posted on 29 September 2008 - 06:30 AM                                    
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QUOTE (androgyny @ 24 September 2008 - 09:26 PM)
Poor poor Mac. Poor poor dog. Poor poor lynx that died to become a fur coat.

And Nikki was babysitting the dog. What did she say to the owners? A crazy witch with a psychotic complex broke in to dig up info on me. and the dog (Bunky) started barking so the evil lady pulled a knife? The wicked witch of the west thought Bunky was Toto? blink.gif



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Posted on 8 March 2009 - 10:02 AM                                    
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In the beginning, at the hearing, Mac puts the yellowish folder into the map and closes it, but at the close-up when Pete talks about him getting a hair cut it lays on top of the map. Later when Mac is walking away with Nikki it is inside again.



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Posted on 8 March 2009 - 10:20 AM                                    
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Actually I wonder what Deborah would have done if the dog hadn't been there? She could not know that Nikki was babysitting him? What else did she want in her apartment? Gotta wonder.

It is so sad to see her go after MacGyver and he is so innocent and naive. I think I would have liked it more if they hadn't shown us right from the beginning what she was up to. That we only find out along with Nikki and Pete. Would have been a big surprise! Or maybe dedicated watchers would have figured it out sooner.

Although the scene where she listens to him doing his stuff is very creepy. I mean, these are all private things, you feel save at home, but to imagine that somebody listens to it all, like big brother, is kinda scary.

What I like is this very small gesture of Mac, when he is blind and Deborah helps him sitting down at the couch. That little angry outbreak. Shows his real feelings about feeling helpless. He was almost too cheerfully in the scenes before. Somebody like Mac doesn't take it easily when he depends on others.



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Posted on 8 March 2009 - 10:44 AM                                    
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QUOTE (Astra @ 8 March 2009 - 11:20 AM)
Actually I wonder what Deborah would have done if the dog hadn't been there? She could not know that Nikki was babysitting him? What else did she want in her apartment? Gotta wonder.

Didn't Nikki say something earlier about babysitting the dog?






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Posted on 8 March 2009 - 05:44 PM                                    
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I'll have to watch this one again, but I don't remember Nikki saying she was babysitting the dog in this one. Sure you guys aren't thinking of Blowout? (In that one, she does mention to the cop on the phone that she's babysitting her neighbor's dog, "and he's driving me absolutely crazy!") I got the impression that in The Negotiator, the dog was Nikki's own.



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QUOTE (MacGirl @ 8 March 2009 - 06:44 PM)
Sure you guys aren't thinking of Blowout? (In that one, she does mention to the cop on the phone that she's babysitting her neighbor's dog, "and he's driving me absolutely crazy!")

Oh yeah, that might be it too.




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Posted on 8 March 2009 - 09:32 PM                                    
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I haven't watched "Blowout" yesterday. I only watched "The Negotiator". And I think Nikki mentioned that it was her neighbour's dog when she called Mac and told him it was dead.

The two women had only met briefly once before and there was no talking about dogs. Of course Deborah made a file about Nikki (after she found out that Mac cares about her), so she could have found out somehow before she went there.



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I've just finished watching Negotiator, and it is indeed mentioned that the dog was her neighbors dog.. twice.

I thought Deborah seemed surprised to find the dog in Nikki's apartment. Which actually seems weird to me, because the dog was barking before she even opened the door.

The fact that she didn't know the dog would be there might actually explain why she was wearing the minx coat. Of coarse a more practical reason would be that she wouldn't want to be seen in any clothes which would make her identifiable to Mac or Nikki if she was seen by anyone.




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Posted on 10 March 2009 - 06:30 AM                                    
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QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 8 March 2009 - 09:48 PM)
I've just finished watching Negotiator, and it is indeed mentioned that the dog was her neighbors dog.. twice.

I thought Deborah seemed surprised to find the dog in Nikki's apartment. Which actually seems weird to me, because the dog was barking before she even opened the door.

The fact that she didn't know the dog would be there might actually explain why she was wearing the minx coat. Of coarse a more practical reason would be that she wouldn't want to be seen in any clothes which would make her identifiable to Mac or Nikki if she was seen by anyone.

See that's what I have been saying all along. Deborah wearing the lynx coat has never made sense to me. Also the fact the Nikki's apartment building had absolutely no security system apparently, and before you say that it probably did and Deborah was smart enough to get around it, let's remember that Deborah did a few thing that weren't too bright (aka wearing a lynx coat while killing a dog)



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Which brings us back to the question what she did want there if she did not know beforehand that the dog would be there. Kill Nikki? And where was Nikki anway? Wasn't it late in the evening, dark outside?



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QUOTE (Astra @ 10 March 2009 - 09:50 AM)
Which brings us back to the question what she did want there if she did not know beforehand that the dog would be there.

My guess would be that she went to Nikki's apartment for the same reason she was snooping around in MacGyver's place... research...

Looking to see how Nikki ticked and anything, or way, she could use Nikki against MacGyver I guess.






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she went to Nikki's apartment to see if she could dig up any info on her and also find out if Nikki and MacGyver was cloer then he was telling her.



 
                                                                     
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I think it was a good episode. However I agree they could have tweeked things a little. Another senario could be: While Mac was still blind she easily could "accidentally" kill him on the houseboat nasty.gif . Mac kind of opened the door to this when he first came home from the hospital and knocked over the silverware cup. hmm.bmp I voted her poor because she hurt Mac and that is an automatic bad. boxing.gif



 
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  Posted on 2 May 2009 - 05:16 PM                                    
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I kind of found it a bit cold on Debra's part in the hospital where she said that she didn't have hope for Mac when she saw the boat blow up. surprise.gif Should not that sent a slight clue hmm.bmp Perhaps a big red flag should have went up for Mac before the boat blew up when Debra made the comment of making things work for ourselves doh.gif kind of a slip on her part blush.gif



 
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Here's a thing.

In this episode we see MacGyver has a cell phone in his jeep. So why don't we ever see him use it to call for help?

There's plenty of times when he could have just called for help rather than go through a whole bunch of unnecessary dangers and putting others at risk.







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I have a rather sad explanation for that....

Mac might see Deborah as his long-wanted girlfriend to whom he can place his trust on and seek comfort from. Mac could have identified those occasions in which Debbie's true intention could be seen but he might not want to believe or reluctant to confront her. He might well be willing to bet his own life on it.



 
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um, actually I meant plenty of other episodes.. But I've given this it's own topic for discussion here.




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i don't remember the scene where she buys a yellow car in that episode?



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i do it was a Volkswagon Beetle Bug Yellow.

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QUOTE (MacGirl @ 8 March 2009 - 05:44 PM)
I'll have to watch this one again, but I don't remember Nikki saying she was babysitting the dog in this one.  Sure you guys aren't thinking of Blowout?  (In that one, she does mention to the cop on the phone that she's babysitting her neighbor's dog, "and he's driving me absolutely crazy!")  I got the impression that in The Negotiator, the dog was Nikki's own.


When MacGyver was in the hospital they are talking about digging for evidence and Nikki says that it was like her neighbor's dog and the trucker.



 
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I don't think Deborah killed Nikki's dog out of jealousy or simple spite. It was a very deliberate attempt at intimidation, in this case, by attacking someone close to Mac. (It's said that the only thing worse than being attacked or tortured yourself is being forced to watch as someone you care about is.) The only problem I have with it is this: even after the dog was killed, no one suspected Deborah. Are Pete, Mac, and Nikki really that slow? If I had been in that bunch, I would have said, "Wait a minute. This doesn't seem random." Is an attempt at intimidation any good unless it's clear who's doing the intimidating?

As for when Pete and Nikki finally did figure it out, I think their reasoning went something like this: a woman would be more likely than a man to wear a lynx coat. Is there a woman who has (relatively) suddenly popped up and might have a reason to use Nikki to get to either Mac or Pete? And since Deborah sort of appeared out of nowhere, both of them thought immediately of her, even though they didn't have any other reasons for suspicion. Intuition is more accurate than you think... in fact, our intuition is always right in dangerous situations, if we're willing to listen to it.



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QUOTE (MacGirl @ 31 December 2009 - 04:59 PM)
I don't think Deborah killed Nikki's dog out of jealousy or simple spite.

The only problem I have with it is this: even after the dog was killed, no one suspected Deborah.  Are Pete, Mac, and Nikki really that slow?  If I had been in that bunch, I would have said, "Wait a minute. This doesn't seem random."  Is an attempt at intimidation any good unless it's clear who's doing the intimidating?

Your looking at it from the "eye of God" view. As a viewer we get to see what everyone is doing and we know she killed the dog. They don't have that advantage...

Why would they suspect MacGyver's new girlfriend when they thought the intimidation was coming from Knapp?



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QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 23 July 2008 - 09:29 AM)
yeah... and?

Why would he suspect wholesome innocent down to earth Deborah?

Because she came out of nowhere. Mac had no one and then, all of sudden comes this woman, literally from out of the blue.
They didn't trace the coat back to her, they just understood that only a woman would be wearing lynx fur, and then put two and two together. I can see how they would have done it.

It is an awesome episode. I haven't seen it that many times but today I took the day off work (arranged weeks ago) just so I could watch it. Call me nuts, but I hate missing out on my daily dose of Mac!

I did love the song he played - how come it has a title when no title was even announced for it? It appears to be a French sounding title - how do you pronounce it? I like it, RDA is rather the talented guitar player, eh?

I do admit though...the entire episode I kept thinking of that scene with Deborah in front of the fire...wishing I was her, lol! Surely I am not the only one...ladies? ohmy.gif

Oh, and also, apparently this is Elyssa's last episode as Nikki - why did she leave?



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Posted on 13 May 2011 - 09:18 PM                                    
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because of all the nasty letters they got from female fans. Same thing happened with Maria. that's why she was dropped as well.



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Posted on 14 May 2011 - 06:33 PM                                    
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QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 13 May 2011 - 09:21 PM)
because of all the nasty letters they got from female fans. Same thing happened with Maria. that's why she was dropped as well.

But they were never going to get her and Mac together - there was never any hint of that at all.
If she had to leave, they could have at least provided an explanation - rather than just have her up and leave.



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