How does Petes background fit together?
  Reply to this topic Start new topic Start Poll
Track this topic | Email this topic | Print this topic
MacGyverOnline
Posted: 29 September 2007 - 01:25 PM                                    
Quote Post


Administrator
*********

Posts: 9,373
Joined: 29 Nov 2003
Gender:   ---
Country:
SAK owned:

Favorites
Season: ---
Episode:
Vehicle: ---
Jacket:  ---
House:  ---



I'm wondering how Petes background fits together.

In Deathlock, MacGyver refers to Pete as the General and is then told that he's a colonel.

And in The Human Factor Pete makes a reference to his time in Vietnam.

In family matter theres references to Pete never being around his family because of his work with the DXS.

So how does it all fit together? Is the DXS part of the military? or did Pete leave one to join the other? or what?






Join the MacGyver Online Network

Facebook ~ X ~ Instagram

 
PMEmail Poster                                                                     
Top
MacGyverGod
Posted: 29 September 2007 - 07:57 PM                                    
Quote Post


Director of Intelligence
*********

Posts: 7,777
Joined: 14 Jan 2004
Gender:  Male
Country: Belgium
SAK owned: Don't know

Favorites
Season: season 5
Episode:Serenity, Passages, Humanity
Vehicle: Jeep
Jacket:  Black/Navy flight
House:  House boat



Pete just did his time in the army as a colonel and served in Vietnam. Since Murdoc mentioned something about playing their game for about ten or fifteen years in 1980, Pete must've been called out of the DXS to join 'Nam. Or the DXS has had a function like Phoenix had for the Navy in Pirates. One thing is for sure that 'Nam took place in the late sixties, early seventies. So the only thing I can see that everything fits together is that Murdoc was also in Vietnam and that Pete went after him since 'Nam.



I think the poison that was used was applied to this knife, passed to the mutton when it was cut and then activated by the wine. - MacGyver.
Sometimes you just have to die a little inside to be reborn and rise again as a stronger and wiser version of you.
It's better to be a little sad than to be fake content.

 
PMEmail PosterMSN                                                                     
Top
MacGyver
Posted: 30 September 2007 - 05:01 AM                                    
Quote Post


Phoenix Field Agent
*******

Posts: 2,135
Joined: 23 Jan 2004
Gender:   ---
Country:
SAK owned:

Favorites
Season: season 1
Episode:
Vehicle: Jeep
Jacket:  Brown bomber
House:  Observatory



I've always considered the Department of External Services (which just sounds like a government organization) to be part of the government. And I figure all the military generals and stuff that contacted MacGyver in the first few episodes were connected with the DXS in some way, as we see by "Nightmares" that this is the group Mac's working with and Pete is his superior. Then by the start of season 2 they both join up at the Phoenix Foundation, which is more of an autonomous organization, though it does work with police and government organizations as well.
The Vietnam War stretched from as early as 1959 or so until 1975, when the last American troops left the country. Pete could have been involved in the early years of Vietnam and gotten out in the early 60s. In order to corroborate the story in "Partners" of him and Murdoc playing this game of cat and mouse for about 10 or 15 years- well, first off I'd say it was probably more like 10 years, which would put it starting around 1970. Even if it was 15 years, that would still put the start of it around 1965. And that would still theoretically give Pete time to serve in Vietnam for a few years and get out. And maybe that's what got his wife so upset- he jumped straight from being consumed with the Vietnam War to being consumed with his work with the DXS-mainly chasing Murdoc.
And then along came MacGyver... cool.jpg



 
PM                                                                     
Top
MacBeth
Posted: 30 September 2007 - 12:16 PM                                    
Quote Post


Phoenix Special Agent
********

Posts: 5,799
Joined: 26 Jul 2007
Gender:  Female
Country: Ecotopian in Exile
SAK owned: Swiss Memory

Favorites
Season: season 1
Episode: must I choose?
Vehicle: Motorcycle
Jacket:  Black leather
House:  House boat



Based on Deathlock, Countdown and later The Human Factor, I assumed that Pete was in active military service, probably in military intelligence, where he reached the rank of Colonel. He would have been 21 in late 1951, so he could have seen service in Korea prior to Viet Nam; or he might just have done Cold War-related intelligence work. Based on The Human Factor, I’d surmise that he ended up thoroughly disillusioned with the military (since he was intelligent, competent, and gave a damn about wasting lives, it would have been inevitable), and left the military to work in government intelligence after the US was out of 'Nam (1975).

I can easily imagine him having been recruited by the DXS (which is based on the CIA, which is part of the US government), and it would have been a reasonable career move at the time, since the Cold War hadn’t let up. In the Partners flashbacks (1980), he was working as a field operative, so he’s been consistent in preferring to remain close to the action and probably resisted advancement that would have banished him to desk work.

From the DXS, the Phoenix Foundation could have actively recruited him in turn, and Mac followed him to his new employer. Phoenix may have offered him the chance to get farther away from the military and from government bureaucracy, to work more on social issues and scientific research instead of the amoral world of government intelligence and political intrigue, and possibly to remain closer to field work in spite of being in what should have been a command role.

As for Murdoc: if Pete left the military for the DXS in, say, 1975, he might have run into Murdoc starting at the beginning of that phase of his career – which would make their history particularly telling.

As for Pete’s personal background, I like to imagine that he’s third or fourth generation Irish-American, hails from the South Side of Chicago, and that his father was a cop. (Rocky, you already know I have an overactive imagination.) biggrin.gif With his lively career path, the overseas work, and his character having been established as a workaholic, it’s no wonder Pete didn’t have good family ties; what surprises me is that he got married at all.



[No wilderness] is so dangerous as a city home "with all the modern improvements".
One should go to the woods for safety, if for nothing else.
-- John Muir
---
LOLMac daily:
lolmac.livejournal.com
icanhastofu.tumblr.com

Writing & personal blog:
BethInExile

 
PMUsers Website                                                                     
Top
MacBeth
Posted: 30 September 2007 - 12:17 PM                                    
Quote Post


Phoenix Special Agent
********

Posts: 5,799
Joined: 26 Jul 2007
Gender:  Female
Country: Ecotopian in Exile
SAK owned: Swiss Memory

Favorites
Season: season 1
Episode: must I choose?
Vehicle: Motorcycle
Jacket:  Black leather
House:  House boat



Oh, yeah:

QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 28 September 2007 - 07:00 PM)
In Deathlock, MacGyver refers to Pete as the General and is then told that he's a colonel.

Mac was using standard ‘spycraft’ – forcing Karen to verify her actual familiarity with Pete by deliberately and casually misstating a fact, which required her to volunteer the correction. A (much more entertaining) version of the same technique was used on Stargate in Holiday – the exchange about Jack dating Daniel’s sister.



[No wilderness] is so dangerous as a city home "with all the modern improvements".
One should go to the woods for safety, if for nothing else.
-- John Muir
---
LOLMac daily:
lolmac.livejournal.com
icanhastofu.tumblr.com

Writing & personal blog:
BethInExile

 
PMUsers Website                                                                     
Top
jackwabbit
Posted: 1 October 2007 - 01:32 AM                                    
Quote Post


DXS Agent
*****

Posts: 704
Joined: 8 Jul 2007
Gender:  Female
Country: USA
SAK owned: Tinker

Favorites
Season: season 3
Episode:The Widowmaker
Vehicle: Jeep
Jacket:  Black/Navy flight
House:  House boat



I don't have a sister, Jack, and if I did, I wouldn't let you near her!!!

LMAO!!!

I just had to read this thread to see how some of the glaring inconsistencies in Mac cannon were rationalized. Honestly, rationalization is all you can do sometimes, like how in the world Mac had time to do all that he supposedly did, etc.

Anyway, thanks for the SG laugh at any rate!

biggrin.gif



"Now, come on, Pete! Look at me! I'm a hurtin' guy! I'm beat up! I need a month's worth of sleep! And I need a haircut!" MacGyver, 'Serenity'

 
PM                                                                     
Top
MacGyverOnline
Posted: 7 October 2007 - 02:44 PM                                    
Quote Post


Administrator
*********

Posts: 9,373
Joined: 29 Nov 2003
Gender:   ---
Country:
SAK owned:

Favorites
Season: ---
Episode:
Vehicle: ---
Jacket:  ---
House:  ---



QUOTE (MacBeth @ 30 September 2007 - 01:52 PM)
Mac was using standard ‘spycraft’ – forcing Karen to verify her actual familiarity with Pete by deliberately and casually misstating a fact, which required her to volunteer the correction.

You know.. that you say that.. it seems obvious and I wonder why I didn't realize that myself?

But I never actually picked up on it.. all these years I just thought Mac got it wrong



Join the MacGyver Online Network

Facebook ~ X ~ Instagram

 
PMEmail Poster                                                                     
Top
MacGyverGod
Posted: 7 October 2007 - 09:08 PM                                    
Quote Post


Director of Intelligence
*********

Posts: 7,777
Joined: 14 Jan 2004
Gender:  Male
Country: Belgium
SAK owned: Don't know

Favorites
Season: season 5
Episode:Serenity, Passages, Humanity
Vehicle: Jeep
Jacket:  Black/Navy flight
House:  House boat



QUOTE
But I never actually picked up on it.. all these years I just thought Mac got it wrong

Mac never gets anything wrong. Well, once, maybe twice.



I think the poison that was used was applied to this knife, passed to the mutton when it was cut and then activated by the wine. - MacGyver.
Sometimes you just have to die a little inside to be reborn and rise again as a stronger and wiser version of you.
It's better to be a little sad than to be fake content.

 
PMEmail PosterMSN                                                                     
Top
MacBeth
Posted: 9 October 2007 - 07:57 AM                                    
Quote Post


Phoenix Special Agent
********

Posts: 5,799
Joined: 26 Jul 2007
Gender:  Female
Country: Ecotopian in Exile
SAK owned: Swiss Memory

Favorites
Season: season 1
Episode: must I choose?
Vehicle: Motorcycle
Jacket:  Black leather
House:  House boat



QUOTE (Rockatteer @ 6 October 2007 - 08:19 PM)
QUOTE ('Beth @ 30 September 2007 - 01:52 PM)
Mac was using standard ‘spycraft’ – forcing Karen to verify her actual familiarity with Pete by deliberately and casually misstating a fact, which required her to volunteer the correction.

You know.. that you say that.. it seems obvious and I wonder why I didn't realize that myself?

But I never actually picked up on it.. all these years I just thought Mac got it wrong

You probably didn't read enough cheesy spy thrillers when you were growing up!



[No wilderness] is so dangerous as a city home "with all the modern improvements".
One should go to the woods for safety, if for nothing else.
-- John Muir
---
LOLMac daily:
lolmac.livejournal.com
icanhastofu.tumblr.com

Writing & personal blog:
BethInExile

 
PMUsers Website                                                                     
Top
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
 0 Members:
     

 Topic Options Reply to this topic Fast Reply Start new topicStart Poll