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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

— John Hancock

 

New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

 





What better way to sum up Independence Day than MacGyver's reply when he was asked if he was American...

American?
Proud of it!





 
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Posted: 3 July 2012 - 01:20 PM                                    
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If tomorrow all the things were gone I’d worked for all my life,
And I had to start again with just my children and my wife.
I’d thank my lucky stars to be living here today,
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom and they can’t take that away.

And I’m proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free.
And I won’t forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A.

From the lakes of Minnesota, to the hills of Tennessee,
across the plains of Texas, from sea to shining sea,

From Detroit down to Houston and New York to LA,
Well, there’s pride in every American heart,
and it’s time to stand and say:

I’m proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free.
And I won’t forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A.





 
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Posted: 3 July 2012 - 01:22 PM                                    
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Here's one other piece of literature which should be spoken with resounding pride today of all days.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation under God,indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.

 









 
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Posted: 4 July 2012 - 12:55 AM                                    
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So, then...

As "Independence Day" has little to do directly with either Oz or NZ (as both gained their independence from England through evolution, and not a war - though, Indirectly, it accelerated the British settlements 'down under', as it needed new colonies..), nor the European countries that several other members come from..

I have to ask: What % of the membership here are Americans, and will be celebrating "Independence Day" along with RDA ?

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Um...just a point of correction here... neither NZ or Australia are independent. They are still both members of the British commonwealth and ruled by the British monarchy. wink.gif







 
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QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 4 July 2012 - 11:38 AM)
Um...just a point of correction here... neither NZ or Australia are independent. They are still both members of the British commonwealth and ruled by the British monarchy. wink.gif

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Check out our relevant parliamentary systems and constitutions, and you will find that we both gained our "independence" back in the 1970s; (it actually started back in 1931 [see ref.s below], but the final papers were signed off in the 1970s..).

Neither Oz nor NZ, nor Canada or India or South Africa or Malaysia, are controlled or ruled by Britain anymore..
That's why the old "British Commonwealth" is now known as the Commonwealth of Nations.

However, our constitutions still recognise the Queen or King as the 'Head of State' in Oz, Nz and Canada ~ as such the Queen is recognised as the Queen of Australia, and NZ and the Canucks..

And the relevant Governors General are the acting/proxy "Head of State", signing off on any relevant paperwork on her/his Maj.'s behalf...


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_did_Austral...in_independence

http://voices.yahoo.com/when-did-zealand-g...295.html?cat=37

http://www.thecommonwealth.org/Internal/142227/members/

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QUOTE (Bushwalker @ 8 July 2012 - 12:09 AM)
QUOTE (KiwiTek @ 4 July 2012 - 11:38 AM)
Um...just a point of correction here... neither NZ or Australia are independent. They are still both members of the British commonwealth and ruled by the British monarchy. wink.gif

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Check out our relevant parliamentary systems and constitutions, and you will find that we both gained our "independence" back in the 1970s; (it actually started back in 1931 [see ref.s below], but the final papers were signed off in the 1970s..).

Neither Oz nor NZ, nor Canada or India or South Africa or Malaysia, are controlled or ruled by Britain anymore..
That's why the old "British Commonwealth" is now known as the Commonwealth of Nations.

However, our constitutions still recognise the Queen or King as the 'Head of State' in Oz, Nz and Canada ~ as such the Queen is recognised as the Queen of Australia, and NZ and the Canucks..

And the relevant Governors General are the acting/proxy "Head of State", signing off on any relevant paperwork on her/his Maj.'s behalf...


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_did_Austral...in_independence

http://voices.yahoo.com/when-did-zealand-g...295.html?cat=37

http://www.thecommonwealth.org/Internal/142227/members/

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In the context of the U.S. Independence Day, independent means NOT having the queen/king as your head of state and NOT being part of their commonwealth (or back in the day, Empire).

As you said Oz and NZ still have the UK king or queen as it's head of state. The queen or her representative has the power to over-rule and even dissemble the current government if the situation was extreme enough to warrant it. We're merely states, like states in the US or Oz, they can make their own rules and do their own thing up to a point, but federal law can overrule the state laws at any time... we're not independent like the US is.




 
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tongue.gif Britain cannot overrule the Australian Government.

The Queen ("the Crown") - acting through the Governor general - would need to be invited to make a ruling at the Government's behest...
She CANNOT do it 'off her own bat' ~ but has to be asked; (the same happens in the other independent member countries in the Commonwealth ~ the Queen is actually described as a "Titular Head" because she has NO remaining external powers over our countries..).
WWIII could break out tomorrow, and Britain would have to ASK Canada, Oz, NZ, S. Africa, Malaysia, India, et al for help ~ they can't demand it..

Australia and New Zealand are both recognised as being MORE democratic, independent and "free" than America in some respects, these days..
Just check out these "Democracy" rankings, for starters: happy_dance.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

First off, average American citizens have lost a lot of their national "sovereignty" to banks, financiers and big corporations since the 1940s; (more than Oz..).
And then, they gave up a lot of freedoms with George W. Bush's regime introducing extra restrictions and spending cuts in the name of 'homeland security'..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_in_the_World boxing.gif
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_ind-...nt-independence



 
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Independence in the context of the US means they have NO ruling/governing connection to the British monarchy The last paragraph of the US Declaration of Independence says exactly that... "that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved" - We on the other hand still have the allegiance and political connections and are therefore not independent.


QUOTE (Bushwalker @ 8 July 2012 - 09:41 PM)
tongue.gif   Britain cannot overrule the Australian Government.

The Queen ("the Crown") - acting through the Governor general - would need to be invited to make a ruling at the Government's behest...
She CANNOT do it 'off her own bat' ~ but has to be asked; (the same happens in the other independent member countries in the Commonwealth ~ the Queen is actually described as a "Titular Head" because she has NO remaining external powers over our countries..).
WWIII could break out tomorrow, and Britain would have to ASK Canada, Oz, NZ, S. Africa, Malaysia, India, et al for help ~ they can't demand it..


Have you heard of reserve powers?

The Australian Governor General website describes the reserve powers as...

QUOTE (Aussie Governor General web site - http://www.gg.gov.au/content.php/page/id/3)
However, there are some powers which the Governor-General may, in certain circumstances, exercise without – or contrary to – ministerial advice. These are known as the reserve powers. While the reserve powers are not codified as such, they are generally agreed to at least include:

1. The power to appoint a Prime Minister if an election has resulted in a ‘hung parliament’;

2. The power to dismiss a Prime Minister where he or she has lost the confidence of the Parliament;

3. The power to dismiss a Prime Minister or Minister when he or she is acting unlawfully; and

4. The power to refuse to dissolve the House of Representatives despite a request from the Prime Minister.


Here in New Zealand the reserve powers go even further...

QUOTE ( NZ Governor General website - http://gg.govt.nz/role/powers.htm)

Other reserve powers are to dismiss a Prime Minister, to force a dissolution of Parliament and call new elections, to refuse a Prime Minister's request for an election, and to refuse assent to legislation.


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Australia and New Zealand are both recognised as being MORE democratic, independent and "free" than America in some respects, these days..
Just check out these "Democracy" rankings, for starters:    happy_dance.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index  

First off, average American citizens have lost a lot of their national "sovereignty" to banks, financiers and big corporations since the 1940s; (more than Oz..).
And then, they gave up a lot of freedoms with George W. Bush's regime introducing extra restrictions and spending cuts in the name of 'homeland security'..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_in_the_World   boxing.gif
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_ind-...nt-independence

Your confusing the discussion with other political matters.



 
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