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|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 16 May 2016 - 01:57 PM|
| We just got our first still by the New York Times
|Posted by: Joe SAKic 16 May 2016 - 02:51 PM|
|Wow from that angle, a very unisex/effeminate looking Mac this time round. Needs to do some curls for the girls!|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 16 May 2016 - 02:56 PM|
| I knew from recent pics that Lucas would have long hair in the pilot - but it does look longer then assumed. Though I always assumed that they would show him with very short hair in some flashbacks for his military service time (like Arrow did, only in reverse)... if they rewrite / reshoot the pilot, that Mazari and Military Background story might change, though.
We'll see if he's going to keep it - what if he needs to have very short hair for the movie production Lucas starts in September? Maybe some explosion in the chemistry lab and MacGyver has to shave it off eventually during the season
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 16 May 2016 - 03:10 PM|
|Looks fine to me we all knew we weren't getting the mullet so the long hair approach is fine with me I kind of like it. As an aside I just jumped up and down and sent the pic to everyone I know|
|Posted by: denizen 16 May 2016 - 08:08 PM|
|Long hair. Short hair, horns, beard. I'm just waiting on a pilot. Although as "good budgeted" as it may appear, not really "feeling" it. Just IMO.|
|Posted by: MacsJeep 16 May 2016 - 09:46 PM|
|Well that does nothing to change my mind on Lucas. He's still not for me. He looks like a member of One Direction rather than an action hero. Sorry. 😩|
|Posted by: RDoyletv 16 May 2016 - 10:44 PM|
| Is it just me, or does this picture look as though MacGyver is the apprentice, and Lincoln (if that is his name now) is showing him a cool trick.
Interesting angle... but perhaps this is why they are change it.
|Posted by: KiwiTek 17 May 2016 - 01:30 AM|
| That long haired scruffy look doesn't work for me at all.
Yeah it kind looked like that to me as well.
|Posted by: RDoyletv 17 May 2016 - 03:37 AM|
| Having just watched the promos for both Prison Break 5 and 24: Legacy, both these shows look AMAZING !
MacGyver needs to be competing at this level
I reckon that's why CBS are having a major rethink, and direction for the show.
But all this can be achievable, with Peter Lenkov on board
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 17 May 2016 - 04:07 AM|
| Macgyver to me looks like he is ripped from the comic book honestly my wife agrees with me as well..
Personally he looks like Macgyver to me so I am excited like I said once The Night Manager is over (next week is the final episode) this becomes my number 1 entertainment thing I am looking forward too (in terms of Television/film)
Very exciting times my hope is a promo is released tonight
|Posted by: Mr Duct Tape 17 May 2016 - 04:36 AM|
| As other channels have release the trailers for their upcoming tv shows, I guess CBS will do the same thing with MacGyver. can we presume that ?
Prison Break looks good, 24:Legacy not so much IMO.
|Posted by: RDoyletv 17 May 2016 - 05:23 AM|
Oh my GOD, that's harsh Mr Duct Tape!
How did you not like the 24:Legacy promo. It was 24 at it's pure best! Corey Hawkins plays an excellent lead role.
...and Bauer wasn't even missed !
The same will probably be said when we see Lucas as MacGyver in promo.
Three cheers to Casting, They tend to be spot on nowadays !
|Posted by: Macgyver1985 17 May 2016 - 05:45 AM|
I agree, MacsJeep.
Definitely not the "MacGyver" type of guy.
|Posted by: RDoyletv 17 May 2016 - 05:52 AM|
| Here is my last and final mock up... I wanted to take the iconic MacGyver image of the 80's, and give it a modern-day take.
Hope that CBS do something similar like this, when it eventually airs?
|Posted by: Joe SAKic 17 May 2016 - 05:56 AM|
| They have him listed on Wiki @ 5'10" x 134lbs. That's very slight for such a physical position
in MacGyver as we have come to know it. Brains can alleviate much of the needed
brawn, no doubt, and you don't need a Hulk Hogan like physique .... but not a Peewee
Herman like one either.
|Posted by: RDoyletv 17 May 2016 - 06:11 AM|
| I had a similar thought myself,
But to be honest Joe SAKic,
It has never effected Tom Cruise playing the lead in any of his action movies. He is only 5' 7", but on Camera he looks way taller.
|Posted by: Mr Duct Tape 17 May 2016 - 06:12 AM|
It's not that it doesn't have Jack Bauer, I just don't feel that Corey Hawkins is leading man material.
|Posted by: Joe SAKic 17 May 2016 - 06:29 AM|
Cruise was/is an athlete and didn't shy away from the gym though. True, you can 'macgyver' the lack of height thing pretty easily these days ,,,,,
|Posted by: RDoyletv 17 May 2016 - 07:43 AM|
| Loved that article, Joe SAKic !
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 17 May 2016 - 07:58 AM|
|Shrugs he won't appeal to everyone I suppose but like I said I think it works and so far I like what I see but perhaps I am easily pleased case in point I am seeing Leathel Weapon this fall.|
|Posted by: RDoyletv 17 May 2016 - 08:23 AM|
| Lethal Weapon, looks very witty and action packed !
Certainly one to watch !
|Posted by: Miasma 17 May 2016 - 09:16 AM|
I'm definitely much more excited about "Prison Break" and "24," than I am about "MacGyver."
I said it before-- At this point, I'm mainly just "curious" about MacGyver, and trying to remain optimistic. Hopefully I'll see something that makes me genuinely excited for it.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 17 May 2016 - 09:20 AM|
I like a bit scruffy; but for me it doesn't work on Lucas.
Also not the long haired look (think he looks better with short hair) - especially because the Reboot is placed in our timeline. Do guys in their midtwenties even wear long hair anymore? I'm kinda out of the loop
Well, I guess I won't have any crush on Lucas as MacGyver as I had on RDA back then - what a relief; Lucas is way to young for me
|Posted by: RDoyletv 17 May 2016 - 10:01 AM|
I don't get time to watch TV, because I'm generally making it.
So when I do, I have to be selective.
If I have MacGyver, Lethal Weapon, 24, and Prison Break. That's good enough for me.
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 17 May 2016 - 10:37 AM|
|An hour and a half till CBS's presentation can't wait|
|Posted by: Mr Duct Tape 17 May 2016 - 12:16 PM|
| I have a feeling we'll see a teaser. really hope so
Fox released a bunch of trailers for their upcoming series, so maybe CBS will follow that route.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 06:02 AM|
| A new pic was just released and people are already raving about MacGyver's hairdo... the reactions are hilarious
I like this response, though:
MacGyver 2016 has no time for haircuts! He’s gotta make a thing out of a thing!
|Posted by: KiwiTek 18 May 2016 - 08:06 AM|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 08:12 AM|
|CBS created an official MacGyver Twitter-Account with an interesting header: https://twitter.com/MacGyverCBS|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 08:13 AM|
|There's also an official Instagram-Account: https://www.instagram.com/macgyvercbs/|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 08:16 AM|
| I guess that will be the new logo then, according to the official Twitter and Instagram-Account:
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 08:31 AM|
| a third still via http://www.cbs.com/shows/cbs-fall-preview-2016/photos/1006504/macgyver-a-first-look-at-the-new-cbs-adventure-show/110735/lucas-till-portrays-secret-agent-macgyver-/
description: Lucas Till portrays secret agent MacGyver.
|Posted by: Mr Duct Tape 18 May 2016 - 08:37 AM|
This logo is terrific!
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 08:40 AM|
| They also created an official Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/#!/MacGyverCBS/?fref=ts
I like how they cover all social media, but I guess that's pretty standard procedure nowadays (I've never followed TV-show-accounts before, only movie accounts on social media).
|Posted by: Joe SAKic 18 May 2016 - 08:41 AM|
|How come it's in the Friday Night "Death Time Slot" .... when even everbody's great grandmamma is out on the town? Good(k)night MacGyver.|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 08:41 AM|
I like it, too! It's pretty simple and yet still pretty clever and easily recognizable. Everyone associates the SAK with MacGyver; even 30 years after the original series.
|Posted by: Mr Duct Tape 18 May 2016 - 08:45 AM|
The social media is really important nowadays to promote tv or movies. I follow a few shows on facebook and it's a cool way to know everything about it and to interact with the fans.
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 18 May 2016 - 09:17 AM|
A few things
1. Friday night is no longer a death slot as well with the invention of recordable television you can record your shows go to the bar (or pub if your British) have a few drinks with your friends and then come home at 1Am make a bowl of popcorn and watch the new episode of Macgyver from earlier that night) and Nielsen ratings will still show I have watched the show lol
2. The third picture is my favorite so far I am getting a Jason Bourne/Quantum of Solace vibe which I quite like
3. Secret Agent Macgyver.... So so so SO happy about this.
|Posted by: Jediferret 18 May 2016 - 09:45 AM|
Heh, I actually really like this shot.
I remember writing one of my very first fanfics about MacGyver's character, which was that most folks go into battle with an arsenal, but MacGyver goes into it with his hands in his pockets.
This is very reminiscent of how nonchalant MacGyver was in the original pilot as he crawls through a duct while whistling to himself.
Okay, I'll admit it... I'm actually getting a bit excited.
|Posted by: MacsJeep 18 May 2016 - 09:52 AM|
|I agree Jedi, the third shot is the best! I too feel better about the whole thing after seeing CBS are "tweeking" this whole deal. The new synopsis makes me feel better - which I wasn't expecting.|
|Posted by: RDoyletv 18 May 2016 - 10:42 AM|
| I really hope a promo (however short), will be release today ?
Just to tease us !
|Posted by: Joe SAKic 18 May 2016 - 11:41 AM|
Friday night is still Friday night. It's all about the ratings and how many people watch and buy into the adverts. Diehards will tape and watch, sure, it but the audience volume on that night is low to begin with and they'll be missing a big prospective/potential audience from the getgo. For example I used to watch The Amazing Race religiously ... but then their ratings plummeted and it eventually got moved to the death slot on Friday night .... and then I just forgot about it and have not watched an episode since.
|Posted by: RDoyletv 18 May 2016 - 12:34 PM|
| You make a very good point, Joe SAKic
But it seems CBS have a very strong line-up with MacGyver leading the charge.
Also, they will take into account how well it does in other territories also. MacGyver is huge, and should travel well.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 12:55 PM|
| They showed a trailer at the CBS upfronts:
TV GuideVerifizierter Account @TVGuide
Scenes in the #MacGyver trailer show Mac using items laying around to get out of traps, blow stuff up, and undo a seatbelt #CBSUpfronts
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 12:57 PM|
"MacGyver" looks silly but George Eads is well-cast in his sidekick/consiglieri role. #upfronts2016
|Posted by: RDoyletv 18 May 2016 - 12:58 PM|
|Dash, did you see it? Were you impressed?|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 12:59 PM|
| Screen at the CBS Upfronts before the trailer starts via Twitter:
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 01:01 PM|
No, I couldn't find a source yet - I was "monitoring" via Twitter using several hashtags on multiple browser windows.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 01:02 PM|
|so far only one screenshot via Twitter:|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 01:04 PM|
| Eric Goldman@TheEricGoldman
The MacGyver trailer uses the same tagline as My Girl: “Mac is back!”
|Posted by: RDoyletv 18 May 2016 - 01:07 PM|
| Saw that? That doesn't even make sense...
Eh, the tagline to My Girl was
"When your Dad's an undertaker, your Mom's in heaven, and your Grandma's got a screw loose...it's good to have a friend who understands you. Even if he is a boy."
Not even My Girl 2
"There's being a kid. There's being an adult. And then there's that year in between."
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 01:12 PM|
|I thought the tagline was weird, but who knows. Maybe he just made it up. I guess we have to wait if the trailer leaks somewhere - I'm not sure if we're going to see it officially if they need to recast and reshoot first... They might want to add some additional material and cast members for an official TV trailer probably?|
|Posted by: Joe SAKic 18 May 2016 - 01:25 PM|
I thought only the national ratings were the deciding factor as to make or break? That's what will happen here, if it can make it on a Friday night with a predominately oldish+kiddie audience - iis that really their target market? Then it should be able to stick around for a year or three. Big if though ....
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 01:33 PM|
| I found a YT-trailer-link on Twitter 2 minutes ago, but it was already deleted before I got to see it... Guess nothing official yet *sigh*
Or maybe I just can't see it due to my location? If you want to try it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pS39X658Vw
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 02:10 PM|
| Yeah, that's how I feel *lol*
|Posted by: Mr Duct Tape 18 May 2016 - 02:14 PM|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 02:20 PM|
| Well... there are some nice people out there... Check out this Instagram-Account - a smaller screen, but at least I'm able to watch
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 02:24 PM|
| new still via http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/macgyver-cbs-releases-action-series-reboot-trailer/?utm_content=buffer5313e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
|Posted by: RDoyletv 18 May 2016 - 02:37 PM|
| Trailer looks AMAZING!
Without ruining it...It even has a nod to the original opening gambit (from the pilot). You'll know when u see it.
Loved every second of it - Powerful!
My only criticism is that it features too much of Lincoln (George Eads).
But it has everything I wished for, and Lucas plays the part very well !
Well done !
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 02:41 PM|
| And here a working YT-video in fine quality (full length):
|Posted by: RDoyletv 18 May 2016 - 02:55 PM|
| There is definitely all the hallmarks of a classic in this ! MacGyver is in safe hands at CBS, and it has huge potential for a 2017 movie from Loingate!
I love Lucas's take on the character. I'm liking this protrayal... And this is the pilot in its worse shape.
It can only get better !
Well so far.... It's better than I could have wished for !
So keep the improvements coming. Looks amazing!
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 02:58 PM|
| I'm not feeling the characters yet... and yes, too much of Lincoln for me. But lots of action, nice!
Everyone's talking about that "Hanson Brothers" Hair on Twitter, though - now I can't get the Hanson's "MmmmBop" out of my mind
|Posted by: Jediferret 18 May 2016 - 03:18 PM|
| Interesting... not many complaints, but still nothing to rejoice over yet. Some small things I don't care for, but that's just my personal preference. My only major complaint is the hair... dear god, it's distracting! I do like Lincoln and the overall feel of the trailer. I will give the pilot a shot.
Until then, I'm staying on my fence.
|Posted by: Mr Duct Tape 18 May 2016 - 03:41 PM|
| Better than I was hoping for, so that's a good sign. It has potential for sure, and my God that hair, cut that please Lukas
Lincoln seems cool, but one thing I do hope they bring from the original series is MacGyver's dislike for guns.
|Posted by: KiwiTek 18 May 2016 - 04:17 PM|
|Posted by: Joe SAKic 18 May 2016 - 04:25 PM|
|It looks great! Then again, rarely do trailers miss their mark of drawing/enticing/luring potential subscribers.|
|Posted by: RDoyletv 18 May 2016 - 04:36 PM|
| Ah come on Joe Sakic,
Let's not take this moment away from CBS, their on the ball !
With Peter Lenkov on board, some MacGyvering with the cast, and some tweeking here and there.
But hey....a Great start !
|Posted by: Joe SAKic 18 May 2016 - 04:53 PM|
|No, it's just a fact. I just made a drone trailer for an upcoming documentary. I used all my sexy footage and I'm now scrambling to produce a full length product sans mediocre lulls - that lives up to the teaser. Not so easy, having said that, gonna assume that CBS is trendsetting here and put their worst clips for this trailer and that the end product will thus blow everyone away - re: glass half full.|
|Posted by: themacgyverproject 18 May 2016 - 05:20 PM|
|Does the release of the trailer mean that the pilot won't be reshot, or do you think that still in play?|
|Posted by: KiwiTek 18 May 2016 - 05:41 PM|
Yeah I wondered the same thing because it has Addison in it and we now she has now been dropped.... or had been dropped. Maybe she's back on again?
I'm liking the look of this so far. The only thing which is really bugging me is the long hair. I really don't like the scruffy surfer hippy look. Yes I know RDA had long hair at times, but it never looked completely out of control and un-cared for like Lucas' hair does.
|Posted by: KiwiTek 18 May 2016 - 06:47 PM|
| One thing in the trailer which seems to be catching peoples attention is the "Crafting the bow and explosive arrow to blow up a truck which would have at least a driver in it."
There's some commenting about MacGyver is suppose to be opposed to violence and wouldn't deliberately blow people up like that which is a fair comment. Now it could be that those are 2 separate scenes edited together in the trailer, but I think this is something CBS need to be very aware of. MacGyver isn't just about gimmick MacGyverisms. There were very strong "brains over brawn" undertones which drew the fans to it and they need to be careful not to break that down, otherwise it's just another Burn Notice show.
Hopefully those are to different scenes, but I reckon then need to be careful not to make it look like MacGyver is being violent because they're already walking a tight rope with the fans as it is.
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 18 May 2016 - 07:17 PM|
| It's way late I have like a million things I want to say but I will post a full discussion tomorrow
I do like the bow and arrow and is one of the cooler new macgyverisms from the trailer
Till owns the part this is essentially Macgyver Begins and I like Till and can feel he will become RDA's Mac over the course of 6-7 seasons
Like I said I have a ton more observations but if I don't shower and sleep now I won't get to work on time tomorrow.. All I can say is I LOVE IT
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 08:52 PM|
I wondered about that, too! I've spotted both Addison and Michelle; the only secondary character I didn't see was Joshua Boone. Even if they won't end up on the team that join MacGyver and Lincoln for this "clandestine operation" (according to the synopsis), I don't see why they couldn't stay on the pilot episode - especially now that it seems pilot script writer Colaizzo and director von Ancken still seem to be on board. Everything they created initially could stay in the pilot (and been dealt with later)...
They could use the existing material, reshoot some scenes and background stories and cut it new together; maybe use some of the old scenes for a second or third episode - no?
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 18 May 2016 - 09:10 PM|
| Well, Addison is not amused:
Addison Timlin @Addijay
I wish network television would quit firing me but putting me in their promotions anyway.
Addison Timlin @Addijay
I know a couple of people that would sue for false advertising and their names are, my parents.
|Posted by: RDoyletv 18 May 2016 - 10:04 PM|
You made a comment about MacGyver being opposed to violence and that the bow and arrow scene is somehow out of character. I must disagree. Your comment has an air, which screams NANNY-STATE...?
I could highlight many times in RDA's version, he did something similar. Here is one video clip that highlights my point best, (see ending of clip) ....and there are more examples. So, CBS aren't doing anything different or wrong.
When James Bond is seen in those action scenes, riding a motorbike on the roof tops of houses. You don't honestly sit there and question how he still has a driving license or that this is somehow setting a bad example for young kids watching? C'mon!
MacGyver always used enough violence to get the job done. That's what made the show great!
...and it is what will make this show great. The show isn't meant to be a life lesson. It meant to be an action packed hour long show... for pure escapism.
RDA was like a modern day James Bond, Lucas has the same vibe... but with perhaps an air of Jason Bourne about him also.
And even if they are trying to go for a scorpion or burn notice vibe, why would that be so bad?
There is a type of audience who like certain things and producers make shows, that will fit that demographic.
For example, ER was a classic, but their have been many other medical procedural dramas since, trying to replicate it's success. Some fail, some don't. A show has certain perimeters, elements that make them unique or different to other shows.
Some appeal to audiences better than others. They make new show and try to emulate and learn from the success of others. Grey Anatomy being the most prominent - is a medical drama, it isn't trying to copy ER, but I'm sure it serves as, and caters too the same audience in it's appeal.
|Posted by: MacsJeep 18 May 2016 - 10:31 PM|
| It looks to me like he is aiming at the front, just under the truck to try and flip it rather than blow it up outright. The other night we had the original on and Mac blew a Jeep over with two people in. No way in reality could he have been sure he wasn't going to hurt or kill anyone. I recall it because my mom commented on it!
My only beef with the trailer is if they reshoot they've teased us with something that doesn't exist anymore!
|Posted by: RDoyletv 18 May 2016 - 10:40 PM|
CBS are professionals - they know how to entertain.
The pilot is being tweeked. Yes the supporting cast is being culled. So it means a few new scenes must be reshot and the episode needing to be re-edit.
The story modified and script changed... but in essence the pilot is 90% there. It's about reworking. Peter Lenkov will know what to do and to bring this to series. This guy is no one hit wonder, he is very talented and highly professional.
The audience can rest assure, he'll do a good job. And he'll be aware of the negativity and vibes about the hair etc
But it may not be fixed in the Pilot episode... but certainly adjusted long-term.
|Posted by: KiwiTek 18 May 2016 - 11:03 PM|
No where in that scene does he make a weapon and use it to blow up a vehicle while the drive is inside it.
I find your Nanny state comment arrogant and insulting.
Do you actually think that using your brains over violence is a nanny state??
DO you not understand that that was the whole basis of MacGyver? He avoided violence as much as possible and certainly didn't deliberately put peoples lives in danger as blowing up a vehicle while it's being driven would do.
My point which you have either ignored or competently missed is that the fans are already picking up on that explosion and that it looked like MacGyver blew a car up with people in it...something the old Mac wouldn't' do.
MacGyver is anti violence... that clip wasn't I was saying CBS need to take care that they don't give that impression.
|Posted by: RDoyletv 18 May 2016 - 11:23 PM|
I'm sorry you found that insulting, I didn't mean to offend. I was merely illustrating the way society has become. SO... POLITICALLY CORRECT!
Heck, there was violence in Tom and Jerry cartoons, that doesn't mean we can't watch it for what it was... pure entertainment.
If you watched the clip again - you'll see MacGyver blowing up a car with a detonator, the car contained driver and passengers. Either way, it leads to the same thing.
I was one of those people who watched the trailer, and saw nothing wrong with it.
He aimed up in the air, shot the make-shift arrow up and over, it's clearly seen going up and over the vehicle, and exploding beyond the car, making the car flip in the air.
It is quite similar to the example I showed you. Maybe your deliberately not seeing the connection?
There is clearly nothing different about that, than say any action scene James Bond would do, or any other action hero for that matter. Violence is part and parcel of all action shows.
And their was always violence in MacGyver, always.
|Posted by: KiwiTek 19 May 2016 - 12:41 AM|
| The point I was making in my original statement is that the whole underlying theme AND the thing which made MacGyver different from other heroes is that he hated violence and tried his best to avoid it. The whole MacGyverisms thing was as a result of being anti-violence and anti-guns.
CBS have to maintain that underlying theme to the show. There are certain things which must remain the same in a reboot in order to keep the essence of the show.. for MacGyver those things are SAK, MacGyverisms, no guns or gratuitous violence.
And you've COMPLETELY missed the point of MacGyver. He's not James Bond or a normal action hero. The whole premise of the character is that he's the opposite of normal heroes. He out-thinks rather than outguns.
|Posted by: Mr Duct Tape 19 May 2016 - 12:50 AM|
|Speaking for myself, I didn't like that bow and arrow thing, because I got a pro-violence vibe from it. I could be wrong of course, and watching the full episode, it may look differently. CBS should take notes and get the feedback from the fans, to try and correct a few things.|
|Posted by: manueloooord 19 May 2016 - 01:00 AM|
| Hello I'm a 16 year old fan of MacGyver:) Glad to finally be a member of macgyveronline
I'd just like to say that I was really excited about the reboot because I knew that MacGyver was a different and unique hero and that our generation could learn a lot of stuff from him. The show is very special for me, because I think that I MacGyver isn't just an action show. Maybe it was like that purely during the first few seasons but as the seasons went buy a lot of episodes were almost PSA-like. Also, I know a person who had watched the show when it was still on and that person learned a lot of things from MacGyver, so I really think that MacGyver eventually came to be an action show that also teaches values to people. It never ended purely as an action show. I think that's what makes MacGyver special from the rest. Take away the life lessons, take away the idealistic characteristics out of him and he'll just be like the other action heroes with the difference of not carrying a gun. That was what the show was for me. I cannot argue with how it was for other people, I respect your reasons. For some, it may be just an action show. I'm okay with that. For some, it may be just a thing of the past (and I don't even think there's a single member in here who thinks that.) What's really important here is that we all share one thing in common: MacGyver is special for us all.
The bow and arrow scene did make me raise my eyebrows because I think it was the first time I saw Mac use a bow and arrow which has a pretty similar concept to a gun. I would think the old MacGyver would hate to use them, too...but he would if he had to. MacGyver has used lots of improvised weapons before which have similar concepts to guns but I think the main principle here is that he makes sure the weapons are as harmless as possible. I think the explosive arrow from the trailer is something the new MacGyver could have been hesitant to use, but had to use for whatever reason the story presents us. So I guess we'll be able to perfectly judge it only after we see the whole pilot.
I believe that CBS has done a good job, tho. I also like their optimism because from the looks of it, they really believe in MacGyver. But I hope that modernizing doesn't mean taking away the life lessons that the show once had, though I think it would be lessened. Well, not everything has to be exaggerated. Just make MacGyver a cool secret agent while being a good role model for others is already great. We need more role models in the messed up world that we have
|Posted by: KiwiTek 19 May 2016 - 01:34 AM|
| Welcome to the site.
You make good points.
I guess we could say that in the original pilot, MacGyver fired a gun, but never did it again, so maybe he fires a bow and arrow in this pilot, but will never do it again.
|Posted by: MacGyverGod 19 May 2016 - 02:09 AM|
| Trailer looks spectacular enough for me to win me over. Seems a few great nods to the 80's. The yellow glasses (On A Wing and a Prayer) The fingerprint is even a mix of Two Times Troubles and Halloween Knights when getting Carla's fingerprint from the jar on a piece of tape and using Nicolas's glass, the ponytail, again On A Wing and a Prayer, Jenny's Chance, Deep Cover, The Lost Amadeus.
Now I come to the exploding arrow. A nod to Rambo/Predator apparently. Before we all go to Mac-correctness, I think we can only speculate to what we saw. Maybe the driver jumped out of the car but it was cut from the trailer. However it seems unlikely and from what I saw, he fired the arrow from a car that was driving away from him, not towards him. So that makes it actually quite spectacular. Shooting an exploding arrow over a car that is driving away and lands in front of it? That's pretty cool. Than we can start nitpicking; was it his intention to kill the people inside? I'd say not because if he can shoot an arrow that good he could've hit the car if he really wanted to but instead he shoots it over the car.
Plus the original show has at least three-four moments in which MacGyver could've killed someone. He did fire a gun in the Pilot, agreed it was the first episode and there was still some figuring out which way the character would go, but we also didn't see if he actually killed somebody. It was decided he wouldn't use guns afterwards unless for MacGyverism. He didn't seem to bother to go after Murdoc when he fell into the fiery pool after he deliberately electrocuted him in Cleo Rocks. In Log Jam he stayed on top of Glass on the conveyor belt until all the way on the top before he jumped aside and not giving Glass the chance to jump to safety. He fell to his death instead. And don't forget, MacGyver threw the bomb to the bad guys their car in Off The Wall and it exploded right on the moment they drove over it. They crawled out with cuts on their faces and coughing.
Should we really fall over this than? He didn't hit the car, it seems more like the car was blown upwards from the explosion. It doesn't have to mean the person inside is dead. Because if it is, they really missed the point here.
And when it comes to violence... even in the original show, I know there are plenty of fights started by MacGyver himself but I think most of those fights happened when there were no other options or just simply not enough time to come up with a MacGyverism, than you might as well take them out with a good punch. I know he hated guns and violence, than you might wonder why he didn't shy away from fights more. I think he just fought when the situation called for it. Would you start coming up with an ism when your (girl)friend/colleague is being strangled by a burglar? Or what if you're in a restaurant and they say you got a telephone call in the back and you're about the jumped by four construction workers? That and plenty other of moments where a good fight seems in place. But like I said, sometimes there is no other option. I think the biggest one that usually isn't there is time.
But now back to the trailer. Of course it's being booed in the comments and quite frankly I still understand even though I'm coming around. The new logo seems good, using the SAK as a 'V' is a nice touch. Maybe there is something in it after all. The only thing I don't understand is, while this seems good enough, they want to start over? Why bother releasing the trailer than? It already seems better than expected in my opinion.
And why does Lincoln remind me of Dominic Purcell? Because he played Lincoln in Prison Break and this guy looks like him?
|Posted by: denizen 19 May 2016 - 03:22 AM|
| Trailer is ok. Certainly not the direction i would have taken it if i was in the director's chairs.
I honestly dont see this show hitting the mark. Looks and feels a little like Human Target. And there will probably be a team. No lone man.
Is it all bad? No. Obviously not. But i didnt get that feeling i got when i saw the trailer to the original over 30 years ago.
|Posted by: Miasma 19 May 2016 - 05:10 AM|
|I thought the trailer looked pretty good, but judging by the comments on YouTube, this show won't last long. It seems people really don't like it! Yikes.|
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 19 May 2016 - 05:13 AM|
| My comments... I love the trailer but there are things I dislike so I figure I will split it up in terms of three things, things I love, things I don't like, and things the don't bother me yet everyone else hates for some reason....
Let's start with what I don't like
1. The music for the trailer: even the horrible ghostbusters trailer had the classic theme sort of... The lack of good Macgyver music or even generic espionage music kind of bugs me slightly. My hope is with Peter (from Hawaii 5-0) the theme will return similar to Hawaii 5-0
2. He doesn't introduce himself: a minor complaint but "Hi Name's Macgver" to me is right up there with "I'm Batman" and "My Name's Bond James Bond" not that I want him to constantly introduce himself but like I said its minor but I want to hear Till say the classic line
3. No mention of his grandfather?: again a minor complaint the line "my father always said every thing I need is right in front of me" bothers me slightly as In the original it was always his grandfather that tought him things now mind you its just the pilot all scenes are from but I hope later on Mac's grandfather is introduced (and maybe even played by Richard Dean Anderson)
Things that don't bother me but every else doesn't like
1. His hair: shrugs it just doesn't bother me at all I know a lot of people say it's too long but the mullet wasn't going to come back and Mac with really short hair is well odd same with Bond having really long hair.... So for the first season I am fine with it
2. The bow and arrow: I am siding with Rdolev here. Again I see no difference beteween the bow and arrow and the bomb and vent in both instances it is clear to me at least Mac is trying to stop the bad guys from escaping and well he does a good job of it. Kiwi I am sorry you don't like it and I do hope the rest of the show you and everyone here likes as well come on its new Macgyver lets be happy about this
3. Friday night time slot: shrugs who cares in this day of TiVo and prerecording television and enjoying it when we want I just don't see Friday night as a death toll as many others do.
Things I love
1. Lucas Till as Macgyver: I love it!!! This is fantastic casting he really feels like a younger version of RDA and I am so happy about it. I don't know how Winkler casted the role perfectly three times but wow
2. The last line of the trailer: the bubblegum and q-tip thing was awesome and funny
3. Pretty much all of the macgyverism and the locations feel spot on
Over all I am quite happy
|Posted by: denizen 19 May 2016 - 05:44 AM|
|I am a little confused. If the pilot is going to be reshot, then why are we seeing a trailer to the original?|
|Posted by: Mr Duct Tape 19 May 2016 - 06:04 AM|
Maybe CBS wanted to give a taste of the new MacGyver at their presentation ?! Just a guess
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 19 May 2016 - 07:08 AM|
|I think the plot points in the pilot will remain (Mac being captured by terrorists breaking out joining either the DXS or Phonex foundation etc) however certain things will be changed as well.|
|Posted by: denizen 19 May 2016 - 08:24 AM|
|Aha. Noted. Well might as well try to be positive about this so decided to update my avatar.|
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 19 May 2016 - 09:00 AM|
| The more I watch the trailer the more I love it... And the more the general hatred of the idea by youtubers and facebookers scare me I really don't want this show to join the looooooooong list of shows I love and no one else does...
But hey arrow worked out one and it's on season 4 with season 5 gaurenteed so maybe there is hope.
|Posted by: Mr Duct Tape 19 May 2016 - 09:14 AM|
| Wow this is getting the same kind of hate and comments like the new Ghostbusters. damn
this kind of feedback is not good at all
|Posted by: Macgyver1985 19 May 2016 - 09:42 AM|
| I viewed the trailer, it's not my preference, as it is not RDA playing the part any longer.
Despite everything I stay opposed to this new series, yet then again, I do agree that this will be loved amongst a hefty portion of the adolescent and grown-ups as well. Despite everything I stay near the original series, as I grew up watching it on TV. MacGyver was my role model and has affected my life massively! The reboot is by all accounts working out well right now, yet as I would like to think, the likelihood of the show losing prevalence after some time is a high risk, the same number of individuals have communicated an aversion towards the show. Everything I can say until further notice is that we should wait for the pilot to air then make judgements.
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 19 May 2016 - 09:51 AM|
| A fan edit with the music from the original series replacing what we had and I like it ten times more now
If I have the time (and can get first look footage off the Internet as well as maybe a scene or two from first class), I plan on doing a credits sequence as if you add a bit of the original clips I should have enough...
As for the comments yeah this is insane thank God the bond films existed before the Internet. I just don't get the hate I mean I love Macgyver1985 for his honesty and kindness regarding this
"It's not for me because RDA isn't Mac but I hope everyone else enjoys it, and the show succeeds" God what a refreshing attitude why can't more people be like that. 1985 if your ever in the Connecticut area reach out I owe you a beer for your honest but kind approach
|Posted by: MacGyverGod 19 May 2016 - 10:15 AM|
| We're not going to like it if we don't accept the changes. I always will agree that first actor who got the part is the actual character. RDA will always be MacGyver, Tom Selleck will always be Thomas Magnum and Harrison Ford will always be Indiana Jones. Will it ever be better than our original? No. Can it live up to it? Perhaps but it'll always be second place but it can be all it wants to be on his own. This is just the MacGyver for the new generation, just as there was Star Wars in the 70's/80's for the then generation and the Star Wars in the 90's/00's for actually my generation and JJ Abrams Star Wars movies for the younger generation which in my experience was very or even more accessible than the old ones.
After this trailer, I willing to give it a chance.
|Posted by: MacsJeep 19 May 2016 - 10:21 AM|
| I agree with MacGyverGod, nothing will EVER replace the original or RDA for me - but I am also willing to give this a shot in its own right after watching the trailer. Apart from a few niggles that can easily be sorted, I enjoyed it.
I also agree with the fact that the trailer REALLY needed some form of the original theme to get us all in the right mindset! Come on CBS, if Mac is really back give us our theme !
(Yes, that was a positive post from me )
|Posted by: perfectlykevin 19 May 2016 - 11:14 AM|
|I haven't seen the promo yet, nor much else other than a few still and the synopsis. I'm of the mind that Mac, in any form, or retelling is a good thing. Mac isn't a real person, more an icon now. Using the mind instead of brute force to accomplish good and positive outcomes. I enjoy those old Macgyver episode where Mac was more of a spy but I also like the overarching message that the mind is a powerful tool. I'm hoping that the new show will retain the spirit of the old. The rest, the details, the hair etc, just details.|
|Posted by: Miasma 19 May 2016 - 04:34 PM|
| I just realized something about the trailer: When I watch it, I see Lincoln, and he immediately reminds me of Lincoln Burrows from "Prison Break," and then I find myself thinking, "Oh, right, 'Prison Break' is coming back! Cool!", and I kind of forget about MacGyver. So, actually, this trailer is getting me more psyched up for Prison Break than it is for MacGyver. (yes, I'm weird, I know.)
|Posted by: KiwiTek 19 May 2016 - 05:11 PM|
| It was only a matter of time.....
Can't say I really like this but their heart was in the right place.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 19 May 2016 - 11:53 PM|
| Yes, the trailer gets a LOT of hate and that concerns me a bit, too.
Of course, disappointed and angry people are very vocal and tend do comment more on social media. But so far I haven't found a single positive view in German or French, for example and these rants will influence how others see this.
While a lot of the ranting is a bit useless (e.g. on the "Inception-Bääääääääääm" in the trailer that's really been overdone with trailers in general in the past) and on things that might change anyway (e.g. hair length), that's some serious pressure on CBS.
A lots of these ranting people will tune in anyway for the trailer just to see if its really as bad as they expected it to be. I don't mind that CBS aims at a younger, modern viewer but they shouldn't forget that a lot of regular TV shows viewers watched Original MacGyver while growing up. They really need to hook them, too - they need a large enough audience to keep the show from getting canceled and for that, they need to keep the tones of the original (at leas for the first few episodes) - otherwise, it's just another action show.
They did something very clever with the new logo - while there isn't a SAK in the trailer and new viewers might not care about that now, anyone who knows the original show recognizes the logo. It would have been clever to do some more of that - like a notion to the theme song or mentions of hating guns. I'm not sure if the trailer managed to make the viewers curious about the show and it's hero. I guess the only thing that stands out from other action TV is the arrow and the parachute jump - but is that really enough for today where there's so many TV shows around?
|Posted by: KiwiTek 20 May 2016 - 01:11 AM|
| Yep. I agree with your comments Dash.
Something else which I noticed a bit of a vibe for in the comments around the trailer is that this MacGyver seems a lot more cocky and sure of himself than the RDA one.
Now it's true that in season one we saw a more cocky MacGyver than later as he mellowed and it's probably a pretty good guess that if we worked back 10 years from the RDA season 1 we would probably have that level of cockiness. I personally don't have an issue with this if they are planning on mellowing him out as the show goes on, but whats apparent from some of the comments is that the cockiness feels like it's alienating people right off the bat, so it may not have been the best idea to present that in the trailer you trying to encourage the fans to watch your new show with.
With a show this well known around the world I would be listening to the chatter from fans and trying my best to smooth over their fears with any promotional material I presented. It would seem that if they were trying to do that, they may have either missed the mark a bit or not considered that response.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 20 May 2016 - 02:17 AM|
I never noticed Mac's cockiness in the first season until I started rewatching while listening to the Phoenix Foundation Podcast - probably because I've never wached the show in English before and only knew the episodes in the German dubbed version, but also because I didn't pick up on it when I was younger.
Why I don't mind a more cocky MacGyver, the hate on his "smugness" and "smarmyness" might indeed be a problem. People commenting how they want to punch him right into his "cocky face" - people who are maybe double his age - that's some serious hate right there...
|Posted by: denizen 20 May 2016 - 02:24 AM|
| I didn't jump for joy at the trailer. I mentioned in my previous post that if i was in the directors chair, i would have done things differently.
For one, i would have shown an emotional side to the character in a small snippet. Mainly because whether this is new or not, its still a reboot of a well known character. People may not know Lucas Till. But they KNOW MacGyver. Therefore people need to connect to the character. Not his "methods". His methods are what made him unique. But he had an unpredictable nature to him. Optimistic, funny and charming, can-do and anxious to help others. Even in season 1.
|Posted by: KiwiTek 20 May 2016 - 03:11 AM|
When did I say I personally had an issue with it? Did you read my comment? Did you notice the bit where I said those comments were from people on facebook?
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 20 May 2016 - 03:33 AM|
I'm sure CBS expected some backlash - I mean, that's probably in "Reboot 101". People ranted when the reboot was announced, they ranted about the cast (especially Lucas) and they commented often negative when we got the first stills.
Yet I do wonder if they expected this much hate for the trailer. I really hope they listen the worries of the original fans - if they really go all the way and spend money to recast and reshoot, they should do it right (or at least do it better).
|Posted by: denizen 20 May 2016 - 03:39 AM|
|I totally agree.|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 20 May 2016 - 03:58 AM|
| Maybe I'm not the typical audience, but even if I wasn't a MacGyver fan and didn't know the original show I don't think I would have been interested in watching the show after this trailer.
There is something fundamental missing there because it just appears to be the usual action show. It's difficult to name it (and even more difficult to explain it since English is not my native language) but probably it is the fact that we don't get anything from the characters besides that they seem to be quite intelligent, tech-savvy and not afraid. What's special about that? Yes, MacGyver seems to have some PTSD-background; but that's in every TV-hero's background nowadays. I don't care about these people (yet).
I have to admit that I don't like modern blockbusters and I rarely watch any superhero and actions movies that should be watched on a big screen (e.g. Transformers or Avengers). It's just about these huge explosions and CGI stuff and which studio is able to do something that was never there before. It's never about the characters.
I used to think my preference for 80's and 90's movies might be because of nostalgia but that's just not it. Modern movies rely so much on CGI and to get as many movie stars in a single movie as possible that they forget to flesh out the characters and their stories. They're introduced and killed off so fast for plot twists and shock effects that I don't even care anymore (meh, another one dead... but hey, they were just another 10 explosions and gun fights, I don't have the time to think about that poor guy who just got shot).
I was never a sci-fi fan and only got into Stargate SG-1 last year after rewatching MacGyver. I used to laugh quite a bit about some silly and cheap CGI things until listening to the audio commentaries from director PeterDeLuise. He's aware of that and comments about how the modern viewers are used to something better with a bigger budget and that they hate it when there's a big explosion or a helicopter or an alien vessel taking off in the show, they plan on an actor's face (because often they didn't have the budget to afford the CGI or the helicopter). Yet the show shouldn't be about that huge alien vessel - it should be about the character and his emotions and how he deals with the fact that e.g. his team member just got abducted in this big alien ship. In fact, the characters are so well fleshed out that every one of them can pull off an episode alone (which was a relief when RDA reduced his on-screen time more and more).
Every one of the team-members of SG-1 could easily have had his own spin-off series. And the same can be said about the original MacGyver show: I can totally imagine a MacGyver-Spinoff with Jack, with Murdoc *lol*, Penny, the Coltons or even Pete. I don't see that possibility with this trailer because I don't feel anything for the characters and I'm not really curious about them; not even the hero. I hope that will change when we get a new trailer or the first clip released, otherwise, I'm not sure how the show will survive the competition with other action shows.
|Posted by: Barry Rowland 20 May 2016 - 04:31 AM|
|It looks like an interesting action show, but it's not MacGyver. Just like I figured, there's more violence in the trailer than there was in the entire run of the original show. Might be an interesting watch, but glad I have my DVDs. But to each their own...I'm pretty sure it should draw a crowd.|
|Posted by: Miasma 20 May 2016 - 07:14 AM|
| One thing I'll say in defense of the trailer: Although a lot of people have criticized it for making Mac seem more violent (particularly with his bow & arrow trick), there is a brief scene which shows another side to him. When he asks Lincoln how he got the passcard, Lincoln says he had to kill someone, and Mac gives him a shocked look until Lincoln assures him he was just kidding. It's subtle, but I think it's an indication that Mac isn't going to be Jack Bauer.
Regarding his cockiness: Actually, I thought that was pretty much true to Mac's character. As Kiwi mentioned, Mac was quite cocky in the first season, and this is showing Mac at an even younger age, so it makes sense. But it needs to be handled with some moderation, or it will just get annoying. If he acts like nothing ever phases him and thinks he's always smarter than everyone else, he'll be an obnoxious protagonist, and I'll probably find myself wanting him to fail, which is obviously not a good thing.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 20 May 2016 - 07:49 AM|
| I'm also not sure how much we can judge the first episode based on this trailer.
The trailer for the new CBS-show "Bull" was almost 5 minutes long - it's like a mini movie telling the whole plot of the first episode. The MacGyver-Trailer is quite fast-paced and action-heavy. They probably cut a lot out they had initially wanted to show after the big announcement about recasting. If they're going to recast anyway, there's no point in introducing e.g. MacGyver supposed best friend (Josh Boone). I guess they just took what they assumed might stay in the pilot and added some more action...
|Posted by: angus20 20 May 2016 - 08:11 AM|
|I'm on the same page, we just can't judge until the first episode it's released- but at the same time I know this is a business, they are trying to create a good product to sell. Somehow I'd like to be a relevant show, so maybe someday we will get the full Blue Rays with extras that I'd like to have.|
|Posted by: themacgyverproject 20 May 2016 - 08:21 AM|
| I don't mind some swagger/cockiness, but they should also give the character some depth/seriousness and should be careful not to make him too much of a caricature. http://themacgyverproject.blogspot.com/2015/08/jerry-freedman-conversation.html (director of the original pilot) said about RDA:
A lot of what made the character work, besides the good writing, was Richard. He had good comic timing and brought a nice sense of irony and reality to the role. It could have been cartoonish and sitcomy, but he made it seem real.
That's well said, and while I don't want to nitpick too much at this stage about individual lines, the part in the trailer where he's on the plane and asks about the q-tip and the bubble gum seems to me to play into that cartoonish feel and I hope they don't go too far down that road.
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 20 May 2016 - 08:37 AM|
I plan on doing my own version this weekend yes I will borrow a bit from the season 7 opening (and possibly young Macgyver) but it is what it is.
|Posted by: Macgyver1985 20 May 2016 - 09:14 AM|
| People's opinion about the new Macgyver trailer on the RDA forums...
This was my primary concern about this new reboot, the same number of individuals express an aversion towards it.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 20 May 2016 - 09:36 AM|
| A lot of people asked on Twitter if this trailer was some kind of parody or compared it to MacGruber.
I've never seen the MacGruber-movie (not even sure if it's available in German; never seen the DVD in stores or the movie on TV), but I'm pretty sure that's NOT a nice compliment...
|Posted by: Miasma 20 May 2016 - 10:03 AM|
Sheesh... these people sound like a bunch of toddlers throwing a temper tantrum.
Not liking the trailer is perfectly fine, but some fans go WAY over the top, acting as if the original show is something sacred, and as if any attempt to remake it is some kind of blasphemous moral offense.
And that one person saying, "It's all fluff and no substance." What, exactly, are they basing that on? We saw less than 2 minutes of footage! If you took two minutes of action footage from the original series, it would look pretty vacuous, too.
|Posted by: RDoyletv 20 May 2016 - 11:25 AM|
| I completely agree also Miasma,
I have read with great interest peoples views and opinions (here on this website and further a field). While all this is great and therapeutic for some. Others are complete and utter hypoc****s.
These are the same people that go and see the latest James Bond, watch Doctor Who, and look forward to the latest iPhone. If we never tried in our attempt to remake things... the iPhone would not exist. And I could include other examples, but I won't.
We need to take a moment and stop comparing this new series to the past. CBS own the rights to the original show, they continue to show the original....And the DVD is available to watch for prosperity.
We need to see this for what it is... a new series, a new take, a new interpretation and a new direction.
Take a look at this, how 24 fans are reacting to their re-casting. They certainly are coming across as more mature, and open to their reboot.
MacGyver fans who believe this reboot has affected or ruined their childhood? PLEASE?
ALL...CBS want to do is to re-ignite this amazing character and continue his adventures for a new audience, who may not know who MacGyver even is.
And I for one appreciate the hard work and efforts they are going too. The promo looks good and the fact they are making improvements to the cast and script from there means it can only get even better.
|Posted by: Jediferret 20 May 2016 - 11:44 AM|
| Those comments from the RDA forums don't surprise me. None of them will support the reboot, and I can guarantee that. I used to be a regular poster over there for a short time but left because I wasn't enough of a fangirl and didn't fit in. lol
*sigh* I'll be in my corner...
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 20 May 2016 - 12:19 PM|
Well, if CBS gets RDA for a cameo, that sure would change
It's one reason why I would have like a sequel better; e.g. if the protagonist was Sam's son or daughter and therefore MacGyver's grandson or granddaughter. We could have had lots of interesting cameos in it, even if it was for a single episode.
I'm pretty sure Dalton James, Michael des Barres or Bruce McGill or some minor characters from the original would have been on board for that.
|Posted by: RDoyletv 20 May 2016 - 12:32 PM|
| Ohhhh! The thoughts of Michael Des Barres doing a cameo.
Now that would be the icing on the cake.
I hope CBS read these comments
|Posted by: Jediferret 20 May 2016 - 12:37 PM|
This is true! lol
I think the reboot is a hard pill to swallow for some folks... and that's okay. I mean, I wasn't very ecstatic about it either. But I've come to accept it and want to see what they'll bring to the table. I honestly believe that cameos from some of the original cast might help some fans accept the reboot more.
As Mary Poppins once said... a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down. Right? Right.
|Posted by: Joe SAKic 20 May 2016 - 12:45 PM|
|Star Trek TNG was light years away from TOS ..... and the (few) fundamentalist fans ragged on & complained about it - albeit sans social media. But the franchise continues today. Hopefully he'll continue with his hockey enthusiasm, that was thee drawing card for many of us (North of the Border) ... but ain't holding my breath with a Texan at the helm of the character.|
|Posted by: Miasma 20 May 2016 - 12:46 PM|
| Imagine Michael Des Barres taking over the Grandpa Harry role! That would be surreal.
|Posted by: RDoyletv 20 May 2016 - 12:54 PM|
| I just found this on CBS Action twitter feed - This illustrates how respectful CBS are of the show. Nice touch CBS!
"With rumours of a remake/reboot, catch the original and the best today at 10am, unmissable #MacGyver."
Oh and Dash... Peter Lenkov has just posted a new MacGyver pic - but I don't know how to bring this into this feed.
So perhaps you could do the Honours and take the credit.
|Posted by: Miasma 20 May 2016 - 12:54 PM|
I've seen a LOT of negative reactions to "24: Legacy," too, though. The most common comment I see is "No Jack? No interest!" And that baffles me. Is Jack the ONLY thing these people liked about the show? I'm a fan of 24 because, yes, I like Jack, but I also like the storylines, the format of the show, the political subplots, the cliffhangers, etc. actually, etc. If the writers can keep all of that intact with a new lead character, great. Better yet, maybe revitalize it. As high as "24: Live Another Day" was, it did start to feel a bit TOO familiar at times. Maybe with a new lead, the show could feel new again, while still feeling like 24. I'm certainly willing to give it a shot.
Anyway, I'm going slightly off-topic here... sorry!
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 20 May 2016 - 12:56 PM|
Me either. But it is kinda funny how some fans are complaining about this trailer/reboot ruining their childhood. It's not like the original is vanishing and because though it's old, but not that old and still on reruns, it won't be forgotten so easily - even more if we get some cameos from the old cast.
Bwahaha, just the thought of Michael des Barres playing a nice character like Grandpa Harry has me in stitches
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 20 May 2016 - 12:59 PM|
You mean this one?
|Posted by: RDoyletv 20 May 2016 - 01:01 PM|
|Yep that's the one!|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 20 May 2016 - 01:09 PM|
| There's one thing I have to complain about if this reboot is going to be a success: there will be merchandise. lots of merchandise. I'm already jealous!
We didn't have any merchandise at all available back then - heck, we don't even have the MacGyver movies available! They were dubbed and shown on TV back then but never made it onto VHS or DVD. There not even included in the MacGyver "complete" collection box that came out last year
I never even knew there are MacGyver comics out there until I found this website...
|Posted by: Barry Rowland 20 May 2016 - 05:07 PM|
|IMO, it looks like an awesome action show, and I'd watch it for that. As the successor to our beloved series, I just don't have that feeling. It sure would be interesting to see the merchandise that comes out of this, though! I'm thrilled to see the SAK in the title I'm with you Dash....I wish I'd have known about the awesome merchandise when it was out....count me in for all of it!!|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 20 May 2016 - 11:01 PM|
|Lucas seems to have no problem defending his work and joining in fan fights on Twitter *lol*|
|Posted by: KiwiTek 20 May 2016 - 11:58 PM|
There wasn't really any available apart from some poorly made bit's and pieces from Brazil(?).
Some episodes were http://www.macgyveronline.com/pages/vhs#.Vz_zZfl96Uk in a hand full of countries, but other than that we had nothing until the http://www.macgyveronline.com/pages/dvd#.Vz_zzvl96Uk.
Thehttp://www.macgyveronline.com/database/fugitive-gauntlet was only released in 2013.
The movies are part of the recent http://www.macgyveronline.com/database/dvd-collection.html#.V0AUpvl95pg and were http://www.macgyveronline.com/database/dvd(m).html#.V0AU2Pl95pg in 2010.
|Posted by: Macgyver1985 21 May 2016 - 02:10 AM|
I still regret buying the MacGyver box set, as I was not aware at that time that the complete collection was released.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 21 May 2016 - 03:14 AM|
That's what really bugs me - the German version of the complete collection set (2015) has the same cover and the same design as the US or UK version, but the movies are NOT included. They're also not available as single movies. Maybe the german distributor for the movies was someone else than for the TV episodes... it really makes no sense to me.
I wonder if that's going to change if the reboot is picked up by german speaking TV distributors...
|Posted by: KiwiTek 21 May 2016 - 04:26 AM|
They are fans of RDA first and foremost, not MacGyver or any other show RDA is in. Heck I was in an RDA chat with them a number of years ago while SG:1 was airing. They were watching the episode while in the chat room... I was really surprised... and a little disgusted if I'm honest, to see them actively saying that they are only interested in the episode when RDA is in the scene. They weren't actually watching the show, just him.
Unfortunately that level of immaturity is rife throughout RDA's fanship and seems to make up a considerable amount of MacGyver fans (or at least the vocal ones) and has been a contributing factor to why RDA's been so cautious about fan interaction over the years. He's had some trouble in the past with over zealous fans.
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 21 May 2016 - 05:16 AM|
| I may just join Twitter to thank Till for doing the role... IMDb Is not better lots of complaints and how RDA is the one true Macgyver and how Jack booted thugs are going to break into everyone's house steal their orignal seasons of Macgyver and replace them with Lucas till's version.....
In some ways I guess it's be careful what you wish for as while I am excited (and practically everyone at work and in real life o have shown the trailer to is also quite excited) it seems many people just can't accept change....
On a side note in my Facebook feed I saw a post I made in 2010 that said the writer of Black Hawk Down was writing a new Macgyver script.... I really would love for someone to actually create a book about how many versions of Macgyver almost made it to the big and small screens and how long this project has been In development hell....
Like I said if you don't like the idea cast etc fine but screaming at those who do I will never get... I am still quite excited and I have no idea why people are so upset I have been waiting for this show for almost 2 decades (I started following movie and television news back when I was 10 ah the days of AOL and talks of Jaws Resurface Batman Trimuphant the A-team with George Clooney as Hannibal Magnum P.I with George Clooney as Thomas Magnum my youth..) and the amount of times I thought it was going to happen only to have it crash and burn I am quite happy it finally is and will enjoy it for as long as it is on.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 21 May 2016 - 09:12 AM|
| there seems to be some kind of promo event going on...
|Posted by: Jediferret 21 May 2016 - 10:31 AM|
Oh, I'm very aware of this. My friend Abigail used to drag me into the chats with her. Some of the chatters were EXTREMELY rude towards Abigail to the point it upset her. I had to encourage her to stop going to the chats for her own emotional well being, which is when she joined here.
I was pretty mad about the whole thing... but Abigail wouldn't let me do anything about it, so I left.
As far as Twitter is concerned, we could always do some kind of "welcome to the MacGyver family from all of us at MacGyver Online" and tweet it to Lucas. He seems to be able to hold his own, which is good. I think it comes with the territory of being an actor. Personally, I like the kid. All this hate towards him is SO unnecessary...
Though, RDA will always be MY MacGyver, I'm perfectly okay with a new actor in the role. I mean, Jared Padalecki was a perfect pick for Clay MacGyver. So someone was on the ball in casting. Who knows, maybe Lucas is exactly the right guy for the job! We won't know for sure until the pilot. Good or bad, I'm certainly not gonna hate on him...
As a group that grew up on MacGyver, we know he was a big brother/best friend figure... in which case, we should be adopting the same attitude and showing these folks just what we learned from our hero.
|Posted by: Barry Rowland 21 May 2016 - 05:44 PM|
|Jedi, you are exactly right. Thanks for the words of wisdom!|
|Posted by: KiwiTek 21 May 2016 - 05:48 PM|
His hair looks different. Much better.
I hope they have it like that in the show.
Long straggly hair just doesn't do it for me (on male or female).
I actually wondering if the long hair is part of the story. If he's been locked away in a cave for a long time his hair would be long......
Wouldn't it be cool if the last scene of the pilot was him walking out of a barber shop with shorter hair putting on a bomber jacket!
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 21 May 2016 - 06:00 PM|
| Basically what I would of done.
|Posted by: perfectlykevin 21 May 2016 - 06:10 PM|
|I think the hair might be pulled back, noticing some wisps hanging out around the back in the pic above,|
|Posted by: MacsJeep 22 May 2016 - 12:28 AM|
|Its tied back in parts of the trailer too.|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 22 May 2016 - 12:50 AM|
So much better; especially without the stupid dialogue
|Posted by: RDoyletv 22 May 2016 - 02:02 AM|
| Nice work Macgyver12186,
CBS teaser does it's job very well, it re-introduces the character, and entices us into his world.
The fact you did this Music Video (for want of a better word), is great. It further illustrates the sheer coolness, in this show.
Appreciate your hard work
Can't wait for the real thing - Roll on September.
CBS has 75 years experience making successful tv shows. In it's defence, this is not the first time they have rebooted an old franchise. And when they have, they have respected and kept the integrity from the old shows.
And who said, you can't be creative or innovative in your attempts to re-energise or reimagine an old franchise like MacGyver. That is how, CBS will be original.
I have not doubt, that they are aware of the bad press in relation to this reboot. Peter Lenkov has been brought in to improve this pilot and develop the program to series.
He knows how important this is, and he'll want to get it right. In a recent post on Instagram - Peter said, "Getting the opportunity to reboot another classic TV show.... A show the entire world watched. Just another Friday in Hollywood. No pressure". #secretlyterrified ( I'm not surprised )
I'm only now getting the slight reference to the MacGyver Promo (Just another Friday...), I wonder if that was intentional?
But keep the faith people, this could be amazing - imagine the interest, the publicity, the DVD extras, the H.50 cross-over episodes, the merchandising around this show and that's before the big screen MOVIE version that could come as early as 2017
None of the above was achievable back in the 80s.
MacGyver (the character, the brand) deserves this moment, this opportunity, to shine and to thrive on a global scale.
I resent the ghostbusters reference, I read on twitter. Or comparing it to the Knight Rider reboot in 2008 ( that show was made at a different network ). These are not proper references. MacGyver could be as successful as H.50. That is a proper reference. How can I make that statement - because Peter Lenkov spearheads both projects. SEE !
This new MACGYVER reboot has the ability to be more than great. It has the ability to re-energise this show, for fans new and old. It also has the opportunity to re-ignite the interest in the original series. A Win, Win for all !
We here at MacGyveronline.com can do our bit by trying to defend Lucas Till and CBS' efforts (as I have been doing since the start). Let's try our best to dissipate this media fire. All this negativity around this show isn't conducive to getting this show on air, or for allowing the new show the opportunity to be a success. All this negativity only goes toward irreparable damage to the brand, to the show, that we all hold so dear to our hearts.
Nobody is trying to replace the original series. Far from it! But I do hope that CBS achieve success in this reboot... I hope it can be just as good as the original.
|Posted by: Mr Duct Tape 22 May 2016 - 03:22 AM|
Much, much better my friend. Nice work!
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 22 May 2016 - 05:46 AM|
| My phone deleted half the message what it should of said is
What I would do if I had the software someone beat me to the punch however if someone can get me a downloadable version of Macgyver first look I will do my version lol
Sorry for the confusion
|Posted by: Miasma 22 May 2016 - 05:46 AM|
Very cool! Great editing.
I think if CBS released this, the reaction to the show would have been so much better.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 22 May 2016 - 09:02 AM|
| A lot of people talking on Twitter about the show and that they just started watching it.
No matter if people liked it or not, that trailer sure started people wondering about and looking for the original we all love. Which is gooooooood
|Posted by: Mr Duct Tape 22 May 2016 - 10:30 AM|
I'm hoping that will motivate Paramount /CBS to release the original series on blu-ray!
|Posted by: Dennman 22 May 2016 - 04:38 PM|
| I'm a bit late on the band wagon here as I only watched the trailer once. The things I liked is that to me, Till does look about the way I picture a 25 year old Mac might have looked like. He's got the long blondish hair and dresses casually.
The trailer doesn't really make me think of the character. There's nothing in there to give much of a glimpse of Till's personality. Richard Dean's Mac was really all about character and his personality shined from the get go and in each episode. So just based on this trailer it's too early to say if I can accept him in the part.
The rest, well it looks like every other show out there: NCIS, CSI, the newer Hawaii Five O, etc etc
Still, the pilot itself might be cool and who knows? Maybe Lucas will win me over in the pilot?
|Posted by: KiwiTek 22 May 2016 - 04:38 PM|
You can't make blu-ray from video masters. You have to have the masters on film.
With MacGyver, the only thing on film is the raw footage. It was transferred to video for editing, which means the master copies will be on video so no-blu-ray.
Which is a concern. If it looks the same as every other action show it runs the risk of just blending in and fading away.
The original show stood out because the non-shooting hero was such a unique hook. I'm not sure if that's still the case. It'll be interesting to see how they play that out.
|Posted by: Mr Duct Tape 23 May 2016 - 02:22 AM|
Oh I see, thanks for the clarification.
|Posted by: MacGyverGod 23 May 2016 - 08:04 AM|
|So this means our MacGyver will never make it to Blu-Ray?|
|Posted by: Jediferret 23 May 2016 - 08:30 AM|
| Even not, they could at least put the show in HD. However, KiwiTek has already said (not word for word, of course) in the past that this can be quite the undertaking due to how it was filmed. I would assume they won't do a remaster of any kind unless it's worth the effort financially. Hopefully if the reboot does well, they might consider doing at least a cleanup of the video.
It's too bad that they don't have a major backing like Disney, because they do that sort of stuff ALL the time and have the resources for it. ABC, who originally aired MacGyver, is actually owned by Disney, who is the parent company. Was MacGyver always owned by CBS? O_o
|Posted by: RDoyletv 23 May 2016 - 08:47 AM|
|By that rationale, why wasn't it done correctly... the first place?|
|Posted by: Jediferret 23 May 2016 - 09:58 AM|
| Who knows... my assumption would have been that ABC lacked the funding. Around that time, it would make sense if they were owned by Disney at that time. Disney was struggling around the 1980's... I remember going to the parks in Florida as a kid, and the parks were always dead.
It wasn't until the late 80's and 1990's that Disney's success finally picked up steam. By that time, MacGyver had ended. HOWEVER, that's just a guess based on what I remember. I was a munchkin in the 80's and remember very little of the original airing, except for bits and pieces... and certain episodes that traumatized me as a kid... *cough*Widowmaker*cough*
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 23 May 2016 - 11:17 AM|
Hihi, I think "The Widowmaker" was the first episode I've seen as a kid. And while this show sure intrigued me, I was also a bit traumatized - guess I must have been a very strange kid *lol*.
|Posted by: KiwiTek 24 May 2016 - 04:54 AM|
MacGyver was one of, if not THE, most expensive shows to produce while it was on air. The main reason they moved production to Vancouver was because the show was deemed to expensive to continue.
Yeah now, but it wasn't back then. Disney didn't purchase it until 1995.
As far as doing things right went they were industry leaders in some things, such as http://www.macgyveronline.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2781.
Also transferring to video would have been leading edge back then too I would think because of the speed and agility it allowed the editors compared to splicing film in the edit suite. There was no foresight of high definition back in those days so they would have thought they were leading the way.
Yes.... sort of...
Originally it was produced and owned by Paramount Television. When CBS purchased Paramount Television in 2005 CBS inherited all the shows owned by Paramount, one of which was MacGyver and to this day they still own all the rights to the MacGyver television show.
To make matters complicated Lee Zlotoff now owns all the rights to the MacGyver name and character. This means CBS can't make any new MacGyver material without Zlotoff's permission (hence him being an exec producer on the new show), but likewiseZlotoff can't directly use anything from the show (other than the MacGyver character) without their permission.... talk about a rock and a hard place!
The only reason this show is even possible now is because https://macgyverglobal.com/2014/09/25/cbsparamount-have-teamed-up-with-macgyver-creator-lee-david-zlotoff/ back in 2015
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 25 June 2016 - 04:27 AM|
| Totally forgot I opened this thread a while ago *lol*
I think it's only fair to post the announcement of the premiere date here also. Check the mini-video at https://twitter.com/MacGyverCBS/status/745328233051099136
I guess as soon as they start filming the pilot episode, we will get new pics of the main characters and announcements of the additional cast members - and maybe a new trailer once they finish the first few episodes?
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 25 June 2016 - 07:39 AM|
| In terms of promo material I want I would love Lucas till on the cover of men's health seriously the article writes itself
How to Macgyver your way to health...
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 25 June 2016 - 09:15 AM|
| I've been wondering a bit about Lucas - he was in three movies of one of the biggest franchises of today (X-Men) and he didn't do much promo for it; he wasn't even at the premiere... Yes, of course he's not in the same league as the big movie stars of this franchise, but that's what would have made him a good asset for promo: they wouldn't have had to pay him the big bucks and he would have drawn in a younger female audience (than e.g. Hugh Jackman).
Usually, it's the younger, unknown actors they like to send on their merry way on promo road: The big stars (e.g. Jennifer Lawrence for "X-Men" or "Hunger Games", Robert Pattinson for "Twilight" or Daniel Radcliffe for "Harry Potter") do the talk show round and magazine spreads, the not so big stars (e.g. Actors of the "Wolf Pack" for Twilight, the Weasley Twins for Harry Potter) to some fan events at convention or malls and so on).
I wonder if maybe Lucas just doesn't like to do this promo stuff? There aren't many paparazzi pics of him; he doesn't seem to go to the events other actors go to to get their picture taken...
Well, I guess now that he's the main star of a TV show, it's not like he can't say no to promo but I hope he does more than just some interviews and photo shoots...
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 25 June 2016 - 09:35 AM|
| Also, Lucas isn't really into social media (at least not on official accounts). He doesn't tweet very much and only set up an instagram account this week; the first picture having a hashtag for the MacGyver Reboot.
I hope we get some stuff on social media because he wants to share it and not because CBS makes him do it. Sure, it's always great if actors contribute, but on the other hand it fits the MacGyver persona. And I get why actors like to concentrate on their work and to live quiet and private life. After all, their are people being hired for a show's promotion.
Also to remember: RDA wasn't into that stuff either (and still isn't).
|Posted by: KiwiTek 25 June 2016 - 02:25 PM|
No but social media wasn't around in RDA's time either and he did do a lot of interviews for the show (see many of them onhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB0BbGj7f0c&list=PL225E4347D8A3B3C5) back then, mostly because he had to I would say. It's all part and parcel of the job - as is social media promotion these days.
From what Peter Lenkov said in his interview they are planning on doing social media teasing all week in preparation for the show each Friday, so I assume that means onset shots and things from the actors and crew like many other shows do.
When you look at shows like Agents of Shield and the Flash and Arrow those guys really know how to work social media to their advantage. I'm hoping the MacGyver team do the same - and don't delete it the next day!!
|Posted by: MiracleMac 26 June 2016 - 02:26 PM|
I'm not 100% sure, but there can be edited version in 35mm copy too...maybe...maybe, or not. Maybe from some episodes. I once read that the edited 35mm film roll is kind of spare copy, if something happens to those master tapes example, brokes or image quality will get worse in archiving (tape vs film), so you can copy new one from film to tape.
But, but I'm still very sure that there isn't almost any edited 35mm copy.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 21 July 2016 - 07:50 AM|
|They changed the Logo??? But I liked the old one...|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 22 July 2016 - 11:35 AM|
| Justin doing some promo tonight via https://twitter.com/JustinHires/status/756560303840714753
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 26 July 2016 - 08:26 AM|
| first promo photos via http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/07/macgyver-episode-101-rising-promotional.html
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 26 July 2016 - 02:51 PM|
| I guess this is the new TV ad promo: https://www.facebook.com/MacGyverCBS/videos/1563068613998785/
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 26 July 2016 - 02:53 PM|
|The Knife from the old logo is definitely gone.... wonder why.|
|Posted by: RDoyletv 26 July 2016 - 03:00 PM|
| Perhaps it was hard to make out his name?
They probably audience tested it... And some humdingers probably called him MacGyer... Or something along those lines.
Shame cause I really liked it - but it is probably for the best, less gimmicky !
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 26 July 2016 - 03:06 PM|
| I wondered about it when I noticed it was missing from the electric cars and the shirts at ComicCon - they had changed the logo on social media that day, too.
I thought that maybe, it didn't really fit what MacGyver stands for or was a problem for ComicCon? For me, the SAK is a tool that MacGyver needs to do something good. But the SAK is still a knife and can also be a weapon. They want to advertize MacGyver as a guy who needs his brain as a weapon and as a TV hero that stands out nowadays because he's so different. A "weapon" in the logo might not be the right choice if you're targeting at an audience that doesn't know yet who MacGyver is?
And you're right of course, the logo is far easier to recognize from afar; that's why I thought it was a good choice on the shirts and the cars at ComicCon where so many people are milling around.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 26 July 2016 - 03:08 PM|
|Hey, just noticed that's the first video on CBS's social media accounts for MacGyver that isn't geoblocked. Finally ;-)|
|Posted by: Miasma 26 July 2016 - 03:56 PM|
| I think I like the logo better without the knife. It's less gimmicky.
|Posted by: KiwiTek 26 July 2016 - 06:16 PM|
This looks more official now.
Missing the theme though.
|Posted by: denizen 26 July 2016 - 08:10 PM|
The boxset and complete collection are essentially the same. They made no changes to the DVD content. The only difference is that the boxset was not well packaged and the discs had a risk of getting damaged.
Personally, i own the individual seasons which i have also digitally transferred to prevent further use on the DVD's.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 26 July 2016 - 09:04 PM|
I guess that's the track by Colossal TM; they tweeted about this a month ago via https://twitter.com/ColossalTM/status/746748064182894592
I'm not even sure if Keith Power also will take on the Opening Theme or if he just does the scoring? Either way, we might have to wait a bit longer for the "real" music... But if they do the almost exact "explosion in front of a logo"-thing; I really expect a similiar theme like the original version now! Would be very disappointed if not.
|Posted by: Widowmaker 27 July 2016 - 02:49 PM|
|I don't expect an exact reenactment of the original intro but I'd like to see a few similar bits, especially the last three or four shots at the end and maybe the MacGyverism closeups and the timer counting down to 0 just before the title appears.|
|Posted by: Miasma 29 July 2016 - 11:48 AM|
I can imagine the theme song will be shortened quite a bit (very few theme songs these days are as long as the original MacGyver theme), so I suspect they might entirely cut out that opening bit of the theme. I could see them starting with the explosion, with the main section of theme kicking in right away.
|Posted by: RDoyletv 29 July 2016 - 12:20 PM|
| Most theme tunes are exactly 30seconds. If you ever looked at H.50, you'll notice that Lenkov modernized the title seq without straying too far from the original. Keeping all the best bits that made it iconic.
Me thinks, he'll do something similar with the MacGyver Theme tune. A much more concise version of the original, focusing very much on the cast, with the hands and action sequences taking a bit of a back seat. The theme tune itself will probably have a more modern twist, with a much more aggressive tone and shortened quite considerably. Keeping all the best bits, of course. I'd love to see them retain - The Passport shot, the clock, the MacGyver silhouette (from Killzone), the iconic ice-cream shot, and the end shot were he is out of breath.
|Posted by: Miasma 29 July 2016 - 06:51 PM|
It's a bit tricky with MacGyver's theme song, though, because it has several distinct sections. There's the quieter opening bit, then it gets into the main section with the drums, and even the ending section is fairly lengthy by today's standards. I don't know if they can reasonably keep all the sections of the song, so that's why I suggested they might cut out the opening section, and jump straight to the "da da da da da da da DAH-da-da-DAHH!" (hey, I can't write out sheet music here, so you just have to imagine what part I'm talking about, haha... it's the explosion part.)
Then again, there are shows like Game Of Thrones that still have very long intros, but that intro is a work of art, plus HBO doesn't need time for commercials.
Needless to say, I am really curious to hear how they handle it.
|Posted by: Widowmaker 29 July 2016 - 07:07 PM|
|They could edit it like the season 3 theme and then it would be 45 seconds long.|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 6 August 2016 - 11:29 AM|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 9 August 2016 - 11:50 AM|
| New Interview with Peter Lenkov about rebooting MacGyver:
|Posted by: Core 4 9 August 2016 - 01:54 PM|
In article Phoenix Foundation was mentioned. "Viewers will also learn more about the origins of the show’s Phoenix Foundation. He also promises that MacGyver’s famed ability to improvise his way out of anything – often with just bubblegum and a paperclip – is still a big part of the show".
On Wednesday will be panel MacGyver at TCA Press Tour, so will be a new informations (perhaps some casting), and new trailer. Schedule:
Peter Lenkov, Executive Producer
James Wan, Executive Producer and Director
|Posted by: Widowmaker 9 August 2016 - 02:20 PM|
|I'm starting to get confused about where MacGyver is supposed to work. They've been saying DXS(such as when Sandrine Holt was announced as Patricia Thornton, DOO of the DXS), now the Phoenix Foundation comes up. And there's that "clandestine organization formed within the US government" line which has been used both in reference to the first pilot and the current one, it seems like.|
|Posted by: Miasma 9 August 2016 - 04:01 PM|
I'm sticking with my previous suggestion: DXS is the larger organization that Patricia Thornton runs, and the Phoenix Foundation is a smaller group formed from within DXS (or as an offshoot from it) as a clandestine organization, aimed at handling more sensitive matters that DXS doesn't want to get involved in. It makes the most sense to me this way. But, the problem is that naming it a "foundation" doesn't seem appropriate for a small, clandestine group. So... who knows? Guess we'll find out next month.
In any case, that interview with Lenkov is encouraging. I like the fact that he's only hiring people who were fans of the original series.
|Posted by: Walter 9 August 2016 - 08:21 PM|
| Doesn't explain why Eads is still there.
After his Comic con performance of not having a clue about any original episodes and arrogantly interrupting a fans questions for his own self interests that guy just pisses me off and is clearly NOT a fan.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 9 August 2016 - 09:04 PM|
Eads wasn't hired by Lenkov and/or for Lenkov's script, I guess?
He was hired by a team of people involved since the beginning who handled the casting for the Unaired Pilot Script. He might have been the perfect Lincoln, and they kept him for the great chemistry he had with Lucas Till; therefore granting him the biggest possible screen time.
But instead of keeping him as a character named Lincoln, they slapped a beloved character name of the original show on him. Not sure if that was the best move, to be honest. Guess we'll see...
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 9 August 2016 - 09:35 PM|
|ask your question on Facebook via https://www.facebook.com/MacGyverCBS/#!/MacGyverCBS/photos/a.1541415562830757.1073741828.1516100155362298/1567703913535255/?type=3&theater|
|Posted by: Miasma 10 August 2016 - 08:08 AM|
In the case of Eads, I don't think it really matters if he's a fan or not. The Jack Dalton he's playing is clearly a different character from the original Jack, so it's not as if he has to be very familiar with Bruce McGill's portrayal. When Lenkov talked about hiring fans, I didn't think he was talking about actors, I thought he meant writers, directors, etc. I think it's more important for those people (the behind-the-scenes creative people) to be fans.
As for Eads personality at the panel-- yeah, it didn't really charm me, either. But then again, RDA sometimes doesn't come across so great at the panels, either (he has a tendency to ramble on about things unrelated to the question, and then say, "What was the question?") But regardless, he did a great job as MacGyver. So I'm not going to use Eads' personality at a panel as a way of judging whether or not he can play a character.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 10 August 2016 - 08:55 AM|
| From the TCA in LA today:
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 10 August 2016 - 09:53 AM|
| SpoilerTV added more promo photos for the pilot episode:
and for the cast:
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 10 August 2016 - 12:18 PM|
| Uhm... I don't like this.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 10 August 2016 - 12:20 PM|
|Interviews at the TCAs today via https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=macgyver&src=tyah|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 10 August 2016 - 12:52 PM|
| The critics are at it again... but it's good to know that the show has been sold into several countries already - we all might get a chance to see it!
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 10 August 2016 - 12:57 PM|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 10 August 2016 - 02:53 PM|
| From the TCA-Panel:
#MacGyver panel beginning now with Peter Lenkov, Tristan Mays, Justin Hires, Lucas Till, George Eads, Sandrine Holt, James Wan. #TCA16
Linda Holmes @nprmonkeysee
The issue with this MacGyver panel here is going to be that we haven't seen it, which makes good questions really tough. #TCA16
I told Lucas Till that Jared Padalecki played Young #MacGyver once. He said people say they look alike, and that's all I can see now. #TCA16
Diane Gordon @thesurfreport
#MacGyver is up now at #CBS #TCA16. Peter Lenkov is charging his cell phone with a lemon, a pocket knife, paper clip & pennies.
Linda Holmes @nprmonkeysee
This completely spontaneous MacGyver panel begins with a demo of charging your phone with a lemon. Not the worst idea I ever saw. #TCA16
"I wanted it to stand out from the original show" - Peter Lenkov on why #MacGyver is an ensemble with a "family" to rely on. #TCA16
“I was the kind of kid who built clocks out of baked potatoes. I thought I was #MacGyver.” - EP @PLenkov #TCA16
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 10 August 2016 - 02:58 PM|
| Diane Gordon @thesurfreport
Lenkov wanted to stay true to the soul of the original #MacGyver. Lenkov notes one easter egg in the pilot that's a hat tip to original.
TV Guide @TVGuide
"A lot of it is painting ourselves into a corner and then getting creative." - Lenkov on how they develop the #Macgyver bits in the show
"We have a tech advisor that tells us if what we are doing, or want to do, is real." - EP @PLenkov #TCA16
#MacGyver EP telling his cast not to worry, they’ll get questions too. But we haven’t seen any footage, so probably not. #TCA16
#MacGyver goes on the emotional journey of suffering a loss and betrayal in the first episode, which will play out over the season #TCA16
In the new 'MacGyver' pilot we haven't seen, he has a team - and a 'bromance,' producer Peter Lenkov says. Oh, and he gets betrayed.
You’re seeing a lot of great moments in the trailer. What you’ll see in the pilot is an emotional journey that #MacGyver goes on - @PLenkov
Macgyver doesn’t solve problems with Google or an ap. When life gives him lemons, he makes things with lemons, dammit. #TCA16
The TCA @OfficialTCA
"He's a cerebral hero. His super power is his brain," Peter Lenkov on #MacGyver #TCA16
Watch! Magazine @cbswatchmag
Paperclip is still #6 on the call sheet - @PLenkov on technologies role in the #MacGyver reboot #tca16 #cbs
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| Eric Goldman@TheEricGoldman
James Wan didn’t direct the first version of the #MacGyver pilot, but was involved as a producer in casting Lucas Till & George Eads. #TCA16
TV Guide @TVGuide
EP James Wan thinks the previous #MacGyver pilots (they're on the third) were like dress rehearsals for the current one #TCA16
Diane Gordon @thesurfreport
Will #MacGyver have an aversion to guns as the original one did? Lenkov: It'd be unrealistic to do this show without anyone having a gun
“If he needs a weapon, he’ll build it. He’s not a gun guy.” - Lenkov on #MacGyver. #TCA16
Jarett Wieselman @JarettSays
It would be unrealistic to do #MacGyver & not have people wielding guns, says the show's EP — but wouldn't it be cool to TRY? #TCA16
Old 'MacGyver' had an aversion to guns. Now it has George Eads as a military guy - and he'll have guns.
The whole thing of MacGyver hating his first name Angus isn't a thing on the new show -- yet. #TCA16 @MacGyverCBS
TV Guide @TVGuide
#MacGyver's name is Angus MacGyver from the start on the show, versus the last ep reveal on the original #TCA16
Diane Gordon @thesurfreport
#MacGyver does acknowledge that his first name is Angus. Lucas Till is from military family - he didn't want Lucas to go into it. #TCA16
Lucas Till says he grew up around firearms & is proficient with them but doesn't touch them in the show. #MacGyver #TCA16
Although producers say the new MacGyver is "not a gun guy," it *sounds* like original Mac's specific aversion to guns isn't repeated. #TCA16
TV Guide @TVGuide
They're incorporating the original theme, with a new theme in the main title sequence #MacGyver #TCA16
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| Yourtvlink @yourtvlink
"Angus is a pretty crappy name." -- @lucastill, the new @MacGyverCBS, on the character's first name. #TCA16
Diane Gordon @thesurfreport
James Wan: what made original #MacGyver great was contained stories as well as action. There are shades you can play with. #TCA16
.@creepypuppet says original #MacGyver included smaller, more contained episodes. Likes approaching it as standalone action films. #TCA16
V Guide @TVGuide
Lenkov got "good advice" from Henry Winkler, who is an EP on #MacGyver, for the new pilot #TCA16
Daniel Fienberg @TheFienPrint
James Wan’s enthusiasm gives a better sales pitch for CBS’ “MacGyver” than the pilot, which we haven’t seen. #TCA16
They have a role in mind for Richard Dean Anderson on the new #MacGyver and hope he says yes. #TCA16
“Riley’s not your average computer geek... When you first meet me, I’m in prison.” - @Trizzio #TCA16
Diane Gordon @thesurfreport
George Eads on his Jack character: He's a Swiss Army knife in human form. #MacGyver #TCA16
“I think I bring a little heart and humor to the show… It’s good to be around a normal human being.” - @JustinHires #TCA16 #MacGyver
Chris E. Hayner@ChrisHayner
George Eads described his character as: A Swiss army knife, a junkyard dog and Han Solo. That's a lot of things. #MacGyver #TCA16
Michael SchneiderVerifizierter Account @franklinavenue
.@PLenkov says he's not worried that #MacGruber has impacted the #MacGyver legacy. "We talk about MacGruber all the time!" #tca16
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“I see my character as old school, black ops trained… who tries to keep things from being derailed.” - Sandrine Holt #TCA16 #MacGyver
George Eads says when he saw first #MacGyver script he laughed through the first 10 pages because he thought of MacGruber. #tca16
Star @GeorgeEads read the #MacGyver pilot script - and sometimes lines in rehearsal - in the voice of MacGruber (cc: @OrvilleIV) #TCA16
#TCA16 question to @MacGyver cast: "Are you good at improvising things?" @JustinHires: "I'm a comedian. I've done improv a long time." Oops.
Diane Gordon @thesurfreport
Lucas Till says he cut his hair because after shooting original pilot, someone commented "Is this McGirlish"? #MacGyver #TCA16
"What is he, McGirlver?" - @lucastill on the reaction to his hair in the originally-shot #MacGyver pilot. #TCA16
Diane Gordon @thesurfreport
Justin Hires thinks Lucas Till has a young Clint Eastwood vibe as #MacGyver. #TCA16
"He's bringing back that classic #MacGyver charm, the ladies are going to love him." - @Trizzio #TCA16
Eric GoldmanVerifizierter Account @TheEricGoldman
There’s a nod to Hawaii Five-0 in the #MacGyver pilot and Peter Lenkov hopes they get to do a crossover eventually. #TCA16
Diane Gordon @thesurfreport
Lucas Till says his dad was a big fan of #MacGyver back in the day and is very excited about Lucas playing the role. #TCA16
TV Guide @TVGuide
The cast watches the #MacGyver reruns in their trailers between takes #TCA16
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 10 August 2016 - 03:24 PM|
| KSiteTV @KSiteTV
"It looks better when you can see the guy doing it," Lucas Till on doing stunts rather than a double. #TCA16 #MacGyver
The #MacGyver panel just sang 'Happy Birthday' to star Lucas Till. #TCA16 #CBS
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| Live Video Chat with Justin and Tristin:
with George and Lucas:
|Posted by: Widowmaker 10 August 2016 - 05:47 PM|
|So they're incorporating the original theme but there's a new theme in the main title sequence? It looks like the original theme may just be an Easter egg, then. I don't know why they had to do a new theme because the original is very catchy and IMO could easily be updated.|
|Posted by: Walter 10 August 2016 - 07:03 PM|
The more I hear or read from this jerk the more I hate him!
He has no understanding of the show or it's fans at all.
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Yeah, looks even worse than the first poster they had for the upfronts and ComicCon *shudder*
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 11 August 2016 - 07:26 AM|
| So... Mac took the missile home?
"That fits perfect into my living room; I think I'll keep it"
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 11 August 2016 - 07:32 AM|
| We'll see if they'll acknowledge it in the show, but I like that they are at least aware of it:
Till says his character, “He was an understanding individual. He was charismatic and compassionate. There are a lot of episodes where he’s helping street orphans. There’s a couple of things that you really have to nail. I see people on the street and they say, ‘Make sure you get this right…’ I say, ‘That’s another thing I’m putting on my [list.]'”[I]
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 11 August 2016 - 07:44 AM|
| Interesting Perspective
Tired at the TCA After Party?
|Posted by: Barry Rowland 11 August 2016 - 08:38 AM|
|Dash, I haven't really been into the new show but I have to say I'm even getting caught up in the excitement!|
|Posted by: Macgyver1985 11 August 2016 - 08:55 AM|
But I must say it looks great!
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 11 August 2016 - 09:02 AM|
| I'm still hovering between excitement, annoyance and bracing myself for disappointment - and this changes daily sometimes *blush*
Also, I'm not sure when (or even if) I get to see this; so I don't want to get too excited about it.
|Posted by: MacsJeep 11 August 2016 - 10:12 AM|
That pretty much sums me up too. But given I hated the idea outright originally they've definitely swayed me
Getting to see it will be our challenge
|Posted by: MacDobromir 11 August 2016 - 11:26 AM|
Oh, that is good, that is very good!
This is what we have to see in reboot, next to some neat "macgyverisms" - character and personality We love from original
|Posted by: KiwiTek 11 August 2016 - 01:30 PM|
I reckon those feelings are true for many of us.
You can usually find shows on the internet about a day after the air in the US.... Here's a tip. use the http://www.bing.com/ instead of google. It seems to be a lot less restrictive in the results it shows compared to google.
|Posted by: Barry Rowland 11 August 2016 - 01:31 PM|
|Indeed MacsJeep! I really hope they come back with some genuine MacGyverisms !!|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 11 August 2016 - 02:19 PM|
| Nope. Still not sold on this.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 11 August 2016 - 02:24 PM|
| You know, this got me thinking again (what's new, ahem).
They changed so much since the Unaired Pilot (as far as we know, for the better).
Yet there's still so many parallels:
- a kinda funny-weirdo Ex-CIA guy (conspiracy nut Lincoln vs. Jack Dalton)
- an asian woman being the boss of MacGyver (Michelle Drusiec vs Sandrine Holt)
- a long-and-dark-haired computer hacker (Addison Timlin vs Tristin Mays)
- a black guy being MacGyver's best friend (Character named Gunnar vs Wilt Bozer)
- a poster showing Mac escaping explosions via parachute.
So. They DID write a new script and reshoot the pilot, right? Sometimes I wonder *lol*
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 11 August 2016 - 02:30 PM|
Thanks for the tipp! I never use Bing; I hate the design so much *lol*
I'm in the lucky position that downloading/streaming movies or music is not illegal in Switzerland (only uploading/sharing/selling is). So if someone out there is kind enough to upload it, I might even get to see it legally sometime this year...
It usually takes up to 2 years until TV shows are shown on free German TV. I'm kinda surprised they will already air Justin Hires' "Rush Hour" this September; that means we're only half a season behind the US.
|Posted by: Miasma 11 August 2016 - 04:17 PM|
His facial expression really bugs me in that photo. He looks too smug, like he's thinking, "Yeah, that's right, I'm cool... I got this under control." To me, that's not the right attitude for MacGyver.
|Posted by: KiwiTek 11 August 2016 - 05:04 PM|
| Totally agree with you Miasma, however if you look at any picture of Lucas smiling he seems to always look very smug and smirky. I think it's just because he smiles with his mouth closed instead of open which looks like a smirk.
If he showed some teeth when he smiled like the rest of us, he'd be fine.
|Posted by: Miasma 11 August 2016 - 05:43 PM|
I think it's something to do with the shape of his chin, too. He kind of has a Jay Leno chin. Combining that with the closed-mouth smile tends to make him look smug (and this is why I never want to be famous... I don't want a bunch of nobodies on the internet analyzing and critiquing every little detail about my face! haha. Sorry Lucas!)
But even ignoring his facial expression, there's just something a bit cheesy about that poster. It comes across a bit like a bad young-adult novel/movie poster. Like those bad posters for the Divergent movies.
|Posted by: KiwiTek 11 August 2016 - 06:39 PM|
Well, as you've pointed out before, it wouldn't be true to the original if there wasn't a certain amount of cheese involved.
|Posted by: Barry Rowland 11 August 2016 - 06:46 PM|
|Yes cheese big time!|
|Posted by: Miasma 11 August 2016 - 07:03 PM|
You got me there!
Also, to be fair, I guess there's nothing wrong with it looking "young adult" since I assume it's aimed at a young audience, like the original series was. I'm just greedy-- now that I'M an adult, I want everything to be aimed at adults!
|Posted by: Barry Rowland 12 August 2016 - 02:36 AM|
|Me too my friend, me too!!|
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 12 August 2016 - 08:29 AM|
| It is pretty cheesy - but to be honest, it's not so different from other modern movie/tv posters that look photoshopped to the hilt. It doesn't bug me too much. They usually don't tell much about the story anyway... and are often made by someone who's not involved in the actual making of the movie/show.
It's just... this looks like a smug MacGyver that loves being the action-hero guy jumping out of a plane. They already said that NewMacGvyer would still be afraid of heights, and it was always part of Old MacGyver's charm that he's a reluctant hero, not looking for action on purpose and smiling after getting out of trouble...
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 12 August 2016 - 08:31 AM|
| They apparently did another photo shoot before the TCAs...
(via some NewMacGyver Fan Account on Twitter)
|Posted by: Jediferret 12 August 2016 - 08:42 AM|
I've felt the same way. I know how it feels to get hyped up about something only to be sorely disappointed. Since MacGyver means so much to so many of us, that disappointment would be even greater. Keeping a balanced viewpoint on the reboot has certainly been challenging, that's for sure.
In any case... if the reboot ends up being a total flop, we'll probably need a "recovery from the disappointment" thread. lol
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 12 August 2016 - 08:56 AM|
Oh, I'm sure even if it isn't a total disappointment there will be lots of ranting and bitching and comparing in all the threads with a little bit of complimenting or praising (if they get something right). I'm already looking forward to that
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 12 August 2016 - 09:11 AM|
| First Look Trailer (region-free): https://twitter.com/CBSTVStudios/status/764144780272029696
As soon as I find a way to embed a region-free YT-Version, I'll post it in here, too.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 12 August 2016 - 12:53 PM|
| Whoa. That's a BIG Billboard!
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 12 August 2016 - 01:58 PM|
| New Office?
|Posted by: Barry Rowland 12 August 2016 - 03:01 PM|
|The publicity must be working, as even my non-Mac friends are asking me about the new show. We'll see!|
|Posted by: Miasma 12 August 2016 - 03:14 PM|
| Hmm. At the moment, I'm not loving the new trailer. Maybe it's the music, but somehow, the attitude /tone of the show just seems wrong to me. We'll see, though. Hopefully it's just the way the trailer was edited.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 12 August 2016 - 03:59 PM|
| They sure got a decent advertizing budget
Or is it always like this in the US with new TV shows? They REALLY believe in the concept of the Reboot and want it to succeed...
|Posted by: Widowmaker 12 August 2016 - 04:41 PM|
I kind of get what you mean. It seems like it's trying to be hip and slick like the Abrams Star Trek movies. But it's not just the attitude, it's Mac asking if Jack has his back followed by Mac being confronted by several armed terrorists who are quickly picked off by Jack and a sniper rifle. That's way too dark for MacGyver and I don't think MacGyver would approve of his life being saved in such a manner. Yeah, MacGyver is a spy again and sometimes spies have to get their hands dirty, but I see MacGyver as the type who tries to do the job without guns or killing if at all possible. It's not so much that he disapproves of other agents using guns, it's that I don't think MacGyver would ask for help that involves lethal force.
|Posted by: Miasma 12 August 2016 - 04:51 PM|
I'm hoping that's just some misleading editing in the trailer, and not actually how it plays out in the show. Kind of like how the trailer makes it look as if Mac says he'll stop a plane with tin foil, even though if you actually look at where he is when he says that, it's clearly a completely different scene.
Your point about the Abrams Star Trek makes me think of another related example: Remember the first trailer for Star Trek Beyond? It had a Beastie Boys soundtrack, the fans HATED it. Simon Pegg actually had to come out and say that it did NOT represent the movie itself. So maybe that's what's happening here, too.
|Posted by: manueloooord 12 August 2016 - 06:40 PM|
|Do any of you guys feel like the old trailer and pilot may or could have been the better direction, if only the attitude was less smug and more RDA MacGyver, with George Eads as Pete, and if only people didn't bash the hair or if Lucas had trimmed his hair from the start? I can't help but wonder how much better the old trailer and pilot could have been if those elements were present from the start. Oh, and if instead of that black jacket he used in the old trailer he could have used the classic brown one. I know it's too early to judge from the new trailer itself but, really it has raised my curiosity.|
|Posted by: Miasma 12 August 2016 - 07:16 PM|
I've been thinking about that, too.
Aside from Mac looking more like Mac, I'm not really sure that this new trailer is an improvement. The previous trailer didn't play up the team aspect quite so much. The other characters felt more like side characters, while MacGyver was clearly the star, so that was better in the old trailer. Plus we actually saw him do more MacGyverisms in the old trailer, with the finger prints, the bow & arrow, the hose as a trip wire, the parachute, etc.
The soundtrack in both trailers irritates me. Both songs are way too cocky for MacGyver. I know Mac was a bit cockier in Season 1, and I think this show is going for that, but even so, the soundtracks they chose for the trailers don't feel right to me.
Speaking of cockiness, I think he got cockier in this trailer than he was in the previous one (although, oddly, the fact that his hair isn't annoying now somehow makes his cockiness a bit less annoying. I know that makes no sense.)
I don't really see him as Pete. I think maybe just leaving him as a new guy named Lincoln might have been fine, though, since he's clearly not Jack Dalton.
|Posted by: Jaken 13 August 2016 - 11:33 PM|
| To be honest, the whole thing feels like they just missed the point of MacGyver.
Even if they go with a younger one, he just feels too smug, to confident.
Mac was always trying to de-escalte things, not the opposite. Seeing him grinning widely into enemies faces, even after they have been hurt just feels off.
Sure there is a boyish charm to it, but I can't shake the feeling that the original would have another reaction.
I have a fear that I would rather punch him the face, than compliment him, because the plot put him in a contrived situation.
Of course this is just a trailer and we know they can be misleading. I just hope they don't go witht the rapid style action that has been shown to us.
If any, they should aproach it more like Netflix did with Daredevil (minus the hardcore violence) and try to opt for a realistic aproach.
More "ouch that hurt" than "looks cool on screen".
Then we have the whole team aspect, which just feels wrong for me. Macgyver was rarely about "the team", but mostly about helping individuals, friends and family.
I've written it at the first promo piece somehwere else. Have him build up his reputation on a private level (Mac was in the army, studied, etc...) and then have it upgraded to a "team", I don't get why this is put front and center.
However, I will give it a try.
Not everything looks bad and I like some things I have seen.
While the first promo had some of the tone right and the new trailer just threw it all away, I still see some Macgyver in there.
I just hope, they can find the right balance for him and the show.
|Posted by: KiwiTek 14 August 2016 - 03:48 AM|
| Welcome to the forums Jaken.
You've made some valid points. I guess we have to expect some changes because this is a reboot instead of a continuation - much to my dismay
But non-the-less your points are valid concerns which I think will hinder a lot of fans enjoyment.
Did anyone else notice the Wooooohhhhhhooooo" as he was hanging under the plane?
I really hope that's not in the scene and is just nonsense editing for the trailer!!
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 14 August 2016 - 04:00 AM|
That's actually what bothers me the most in the new trailer. It goes along with the poster; MacGyver having fun and therefore smiling doing some stupid-dangerous act voluntarily to (maybe) save the world. (Maybe he just wanted to do it for fun and not out of necessity, or so it seems?)
The trailer looks more or less fine on the surface, but there are many little things that go against the heart of the original. Most of them I didn't notice when I watched the trailer at first. But it's these little things (for non-fans probably trivial nit-picky things) that make me see clearer now why RDA declined the offer from CBS.
|Posted by: Miasma 14 August 2016 - 04:42 AM|
| In the interest of giving this show the benefit of the doubt, a thought just occurred to me: TV shows these days usually have more character development and evolution than shows in the 80s did. So, what if Mac starts out as a very smug, cocky guy in this series, but then something happens that changes his attitude? Lenkov did mention that Mac gets betrayed in season 1, and that it's a defining moment for him. Maybe that's the point when he becomes a bit less smug, and stops seeing everything as just a good time, and adopts a humbler attitude? I'm pretty sure all the clips we're seeing are from the first episode, so it could all be before the betrayal.
IF that's the approach they're taking, then I'm on board with that. One thing that seems a bit silly about the original series, in retrospect, is how Mac's attitude never really changes, despite how many times his friends die, he gets betrayed, etc. Of course, back then, that's how tv shows were. But today, characters tend to change based on their experiences.
|Posted by: Jaken 14 August 2016 - 07:19 AM|
Thanks for the welcome.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the "Woohoo" in that situation.
However not in the way the trailer is showing it.
Like he jumps on, the plane goes up, he thinks he enjoys it, but then it becomes scary and the mood changes.
Initial hype, turning towards realization of how dangerous the situation is, causing him get back into serious mode.
He is a young Mac, so some childish reactions should still be there.
Question is just, how they balance it out with the others.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 14 August 2016 - 08:39 PM|
| Finally a YT-Version for everyone:
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 15 August 2016 - 01:54 PM|
| LMAO! what is this?
(well, the first clip is kinda funny. I think.)
Two Exclusive Promo Clips via TVLine: http://tvline.com/2016/08/15/macgyver-reboot-video-paperclip-cbs-promo/
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| Screenshot 1 (via TVLine):
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|Screenshot 2 (via TVLine):|
|Posted by: denizen 15 August 2016 - 08:10 PM|
| Why do they feel the need to mix hip hop with Mac? Just an adventurous theme would do. Also, it still bugs me a bit about the whole Team Mac idea. Imagine this trailer with him doing everything on his own. That would have been phenomenal.
In all honesty it is a vast improvement over the last trailer, granted. But..I'm just...not....feeling...it.
|Posted by: Jaken 15 August 2016 - 08:15 PM|
I looked at the long trailer again and was about to say... hey he doesn't look too smug here actually and then these promos come along...
Of course it is marketing and making some fun of the established franchise is a tried and true method, but... this isn't about something established.
This is a reboot, which is basicly trying to put a new spin on the established franchise by bringing it into modern times, so it is actually something new.
If they want to come off as something that actually honors the original they need to dial it back a bit.
We don't know this Mac. The regular audience doesn't know this Mac.
Do they really want to go with the smug, I know better than you kind of protagonist?
More so, if they really are able to restrain themselves in the actual show, like the new trailer suggests?
Otherwise the long trailer was actually fine. I don't really like the james bond rip off, the team focus on "improvise" and the fact that the fight szene had a lot of uneccessary moves that the oiginal would (never?) do (Kicking a plate from the desk, into his hand to block bullets... Too dangerous as you could easily fail that and that thing would never stop bullets).
However, this is TVland and suspension of disbelief might get me through the first season, if they get enough things right.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 15 August 2016 - 09:30 PM|
| another bus ad, maybe?
|Posted by: KiwiTek 15 August 2016 - 09:36 PM|
| Yeah the smug (almost arrogant) attitude showing through in these promos is starting to worry me a little.
One of the core things about MacGyver is that he's humble. He never assumes he knows more or better than someone else and he was never 100% sure if his MacGyverisms would work. He tried them because he needed to not because he knew it was going to beat the bad guys. It was always a "we have to try something to get out of this". Not a "Don't worry guys I'm MacGyver I can fix this." which is basically what these promos are heading towards.
You'd think with all the hassle they already have from fans about this, they'd be a LOT more careful about getting this right.... unless of coarse they think this is right.
|Posted by: Miasma 16 August 2016 - 05:29 AM|
| I may be remembering this wrong, but I think the beginning of Legend Of The Holy Rose had a key moment that clearly shows how different RDA's Mac was from how this new Mac is being promoted. After he made the ultralight and it actually worked, the guy he was rescuing said something like, "It works!" and Mac replied, "Of course!" but as he said it, he looked terrified and you could tell he was thinking, "Holy s--t, I can't believe this worked!" That's the sort of thing that made him someone we could relate to, even when he was doing extreme stuff. I picture that same scene in this new show, and I could see Lucas' Mac saying, "Of course!" with a smug "I knew it would work" smile on his face. And instead of looking terrified, he'd probably be screaming "Woohoo!!" like he's having a great time on a roller coaster.
I really hope these ads are giving us the wrong impression. It's not that Lucas' needs to copy everything RDA did (that would actually be a mistake, I think), but the character needs to be someone we can relate to, and that usually comes from him having some level of insecurity, doubts or weaknesses. If he's constantly has an attitude of "I got this!", I'm not going to care about him at all.
|Posted by: perfectlykevin 16 August 2016 - 05:35 AM|
I agree, from what I've seen Mac and (the new) Jack seem cocky, and too sure of themselves. "Plan B, Let's improvise!" and the music al lend to a team that can do no wrong and they KNOW it will all work out on the end. That's not the feeling I got from TOS. I like the humble nature of Macgyver, it made him more real in a way than if he knew whatever he whipped up was going to work.
I am hopeful that the approach, if it is going to be a more self-assured/arrogant Mac, that it is a set up for something really major to go wrong, and teaches him to become the Mac we all know and love. It better come quick though because I won't be able to stomach "Team Macgyver Super Hero Power Force" for more than an episode.
|Posted by: Macgyver12186 16 August 2016 - 07:17 AM|
| Ok I admit I am slightly worried
The first trailer I thought was great it's showed Macgyver working on his own sure he was slightly cocky and slightly arrogant but he was young this is Macgyver Begins. But the second trailer has Mac established but more in a team and with the same slight arrogance. Like I said my issue isn't with Till who I genuinely believe could be an amazing Macgyver the writers on the other hand....
Like I said most of the changes I am either fine with or don't view as changes (joke all you want the original Macgyver was able to hold his own for a few minutes against a trained assassin so him being a good fighter now is perfectly reasonable)
I don't like that he doesn't hate his first name, guns, and based on the trailer doesn't have a fear of heights as those quirks I feel are important more so then the length of his hair...
Still counting down to the 23rd but little nervous
|Posted by: Miasma 16 August 2016 - 08:13 AM|
According to some interviews, he still does have a fear of heights.
Where did you hear that he doesn't hate his first name? I haven't seen that mentioned. (though, to be honest, I wouldn't really care much one way or another. That was kind of a joke in the original series, but it wasn't essential to who he was.)
|Posted by: Macgyver1985 16 August 2016 - 10:12 AM|
|I saw the trailer, and I should say this is not the MacGyver I grew up watching on TV. He has none of the qualities that RDA had, furthermore to say how arrogant and egotistical he appears in the trailers... Now that is what totally puts me off regarding this reboot.|
|Posted by: MacDobromir 16 August 2016 - 10:53 AM|
Some time ago there were comments on the web that people would like this reboot if it was about a son or grandson of Macgyver. I didn't like that idea at first but now I'm starting to change my mind . Probably I wouldn't have so much expectation about it, only curiosity how they will show the personality of Mac's son/grandson.
|Posted by: Macgyver1985 16 August 2016 - 11:18 AM|
The only problem is that CBS did not include a grandson or son in the original series, so to suddenly announce that a relative of MacGyver will be featured in the reboot, will sound ridiculous. To my knowledge, MacGyver was the only child and never married, if this is true, how would a grandson/son fit into the storyline?
|Posted by: InVader 16 August 2016 - 11:26 AM|
You stopped watching in season 7, huh? lol
|Posted by: MacDobromir 16 August 2016 - 11:29 AM|
|Sam Malloy? Last episode?|
|Posted by: Macgyver1985 16 August 2016 - 11:34 AM|
|My bad! Getting old|
|Posted by: MacDobromir 16 August 2016 - 11:40 AM|
As we all No worries!
btw: "age is a matter of mind " isn't from MacGyver?
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 16 August 2016 - 01:38 PM|
I'm sure you can have kids without being married, also
|Posted by: MiracleMac 16 August 2016 - 01:39 PM|
| That new Mac looks little bit smug and the attitude in those trailers too, so sometimes lately it’s been started to feel like the reboot makers would think that being a humble action hero is “outdated”, because it looks like it’s very hard to make that character humble or then they missed that from the original show
They wanted character-driven story style and also to bring that original spirit back, so please give us that little humble characteristic then, for the trailers too, because those should make the first impression
Well, about a month for the pilot to see are those holes filled
|Posted by: Jediferret 16 August 2016 - 06:26 PM|
| My thought is this... the reboot is most likely based off Season 1 MacGyver. Season 1 MacGyver was very confident in his abilities, and had a bit of a... swagger? XD It was more of a cool confidence, or friendly confidence. He has a very casual attitude, like walking around with his hands in his pockets... like he's taking his time and taking in all his surroundings.
This new Mac seems to be something of the same, but won't know for sure until I see the pilot. I dunno, I thought the short with him in the chair was kinda cute. It's getting around though, I had someone comment on the trailer today at work... they said "this isn't MacGyver, but I'll watch it anyway". lol
I made my sister watch the trailer, and she said you can't really judge the whole show on a 30sec trailer. She seems pretty interested in the reboot now.
That being said, the trailer is making waves and it's getting people interested in it.
|Posted by: DashboardOnFire 17 August 2016 - 09:12 AM|
|They changed the header-pictures on social media... I still prefer the paperclip-clip-stuff.|
|Posted by: MacsJeep 17 August 2016 - 10:24 AM|
| I just watched the trailer again, and the whole "team" thing still irks me. But you know what I realized irritates me the most is the music behind it. It doesn't fit "MacGyver" at all. It will be interesting to see what they do for a theme song after that...
I'm still on the fence about everything else until I watch. Seeing is believing. Mac wouldn't judge something without knowing the whole story, so we shouldn't either, I guess.
|Posted by: perfectlykevin 17 August 2016 - 10:55 AM|
You are not alone. I wanted to stick a sharp pencil in my ear to get the tune out of my head. Doesn't match Macgyver at all, sounds very low-rent to me.
|Posted by: Jediferret 17 August 2016 - 11:05 AM|
| Me too MacsJeep... believe me, I completely understand where you're coming from.
Once the pilot comes out, I've had this idea floating around in my head about writing a fanfic when the characters collide with each other from both version. I'm hoping the result will be hilarious. I mean... can you imagine the original Mac, Jack and Pete meeting Patricia? Or the new group meeting Penny Parker? XD
Could be pretty dang funny if I can get it to work. lol
|Posted by: Widowmaker 17 August 2016 - 11:30 AM|
|I don't think the songs in the promos will actually be used in the show, and I think maybe people are jumping to conclusions about this new MacGyver being arrogant and unlikable. Just a few smirks and one little celebratory one-liner after pulling off a MacGyverism and all the sudden he's a conceited jerk?|
|Posted by: perfectlykevin 17 August 2016 - 11:43 AM|
I hope the new songs are not going to be used! Still, this is the first meeting of the new Mac, the promos are used to hook you, reel you in so you will watch. Right now I have an uneasy feeling. I'm hopeful the character of Mac will be true but so far the math points to something different.
|Posted by: Jediferret 17 August 2016 - 12:47 PM|
Well, we have to balanced. We're mostly rehashing the same statement over and over again.
We won't know until we've seen the pilot. We have our concerns, and that's okay. This is one of our most beloved characters. We just want to see our hero brought back into the light properly.
I understand perfectly they have to promote the show in some fashion, and we may not like it. Hell, we're probably not going to like every little thing we see in the pilot.
But, to be honest, there are things about the original many of us didn't like either.
Balance is everything. Let's not be too gung-ho, but at the same time, let's not be quick to doom it either. That, and this is the internet... it's very easy to misconstrue things.